/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18105685]

What did he think of Islam? I know Machiavelli and Rousseau both liked Islam, and that Hitler and Himmler explicitly wished Germany had been a Muslim country instead of Christian

[Anonymous No.18105691]

>>18105685
And not one of them converted.

[Anonymous No.18105700]

>>18105691
Yeah that's pretty funny lol. Though a conversion to any religion at all would require pretty deep conviction and faith

[Anonymous No.18105708]

>>18105685
Also, anyone know why he considered Arabs to be one of the noble races?

[Anonymous No.18105751]

>>18105685
He admired it over Christianity, but he also only knew about it through 19th century scholars who romanticized the culture, so take that as you will.

[Anonymous No.18105762]

>>18105685
He only mentions Islam once and that’s in Antichrist where he laments that Europe drove out Muslims from Spain because their religion is manlier and superior

[Anonymous No.18105806]

>>18105762
Is that why he considered the Arabs to be one of the noble races in Genealogy of Morality? Or was he thinking of pre-Islamic Arabs

[Anonymous No.18105824]

>>18105806
Most likely yeah. But also his knowledge of Islam was likely limited so he only came to admire the nobility of Andalusia and the golden age caliphate. Before he went insane I believe there’s a letter where he said he wants to travel to North Africa to observe how Muslims lived

[Anonymous No.18105917]

>>18105685
>Muslim country instead of Christian
This was his retardation. It would just become inbreeding niggonism and accepting immigrants.

Islam isn't nationalistic at all. Hitler's view on Islam was similar to what 'islamophobes' view Islam as: Jewish hatred and other shit.

Sharia law is retardation. Muslims move to western countries and ask for it and they shouldn't be granted this shit. Non-muslims have to pay jizya which is 10-15% tax for 'protection' from the Muslims and for living in their territory and being exempted from joining the military etc... I say 'protection' because these faggots go to western countries and ask for sharia law. If it were sharia law in middle east, it wouldn't be any problem.

They convert Christians by interpreting verses wildly and with 'scientific' miracles in Islam. They preach to the west that wow look women in Islam had rights well before men, look how freethinking we are ( philosophy is haram in islam. Only some kinds of philosophy are allowed, things like Nietzsche are deemed haram. Many scholars were killed in the Islamic golden age due to them taking greek philosophers as their teachers and themselves as their disciples )

This is coming from an ex-mus, I hate feminism, I hate lgbtq, I hate the alphabet people. No. I'm not a retard who left Islam because of nigger leftists ideology. I left because buddhism

[Anonymous No.18105923]

>>18105917
>jizya
lol

[Anonymous No.18105926]

>>18105923
not making this shit up lol its actually called jizya

[Anonymous No.18105950]

>>18105926
ik i just remember a /fit/ thread where someone posted a picture of a sikh guy working out and said it was a muslim gym and then someone replied with the coomer meme saying "I got your jizya right here"

[Anonymous No.18105959]

>>18105926
oh no wait it was like "you need to pay your jizya to work out here" in the op. i think i might have it saved...

[Anonymous No.18105961]

>>18105950
send

[Anonymous No.18105974]

>>18105961
https://yuki.la/fit/58546154
I found this archive link to the post but its not working :(

[Anonymous No.18105978]

>>18105917
The reason Hitler liked Islam had nothing to do with nationalism. He liked it for similar reasons as Machiavelli and Rousseau. They all thought that Christianity made Europe soft, and that the Prophet in contrast was very manly and a good general. They thought Islam better addressed the issues of this world than Christianity, which is true

[Anonymous No.18105993]

>>18105961
https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/58546154/#58546256
ok I found this but there's no coomer meme in this thread, it was more recent

[Anonymous No.18105998]

>>18105978
I wouldn't say so, the prophet was a manly warlord but have you seen what the sunnis are these days? They complain about Islamophobia but won't do anything about ISIS ( Saudi and other countries don't want to fix it ). They just want to leech off of the west.

Christianity made Europe although it did make them soft, it still made Europe. With Islam, all the arts and architecture they have wouldn't be there. Dante would've been killed, Willaim Blake would've been killed, Nietzsche would've been killed ( if he talked about Islam instead of Christianity ).

[Anonymous No.18106002]

>>18105961
https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/58546154/#q58546154
sorry this is the op
you could probably repost in /fit/ and then post a reply of the coomer meme and then screencap

[Anonymous No.18106003]

>>18105685
Islam was based on morality so he was not a fan. but he did view Islam as superior to Christianity

[Anonymous No.18106010]

>>18106002
Thanks man

[Anonymous No.18106011]

>>18105998
I really don't think the Saudis or the Gulfies are a good example to use, and they certainly don't represent Islam. They are munafiq at best. The only country with real Islamic values in its constitution is Iran, and they actually do fight against ISIS.

[Anonymous No.18106022]

>>18106011
isn't iran shia dominated? Shia isn't considered islam by Sunnis

[Anonymous No.18106038]

>>18106022
That's a bit reductionist. Certainly the Shias that worship Ali are not considered muslims, but most "regular" shias are for all intents and purposes, true Muslims. Only retards like ISIS believe that absolute all Shias are disbelievers

[Anonymous No.18106049]

>>18106038
all my sunni friends ( every single one ) believe that only sunnis are Muslims and no one else is Muslim.

But I guess Muslim is divided into 2: Muslim and mu'min and Muslims are those that read the shadah and consider allah to be god and Muhammad to be his last messenger. While mu'min are sunnis

Either way, Hitler got a very skewed view on Islam.

[Anonymous No.18106068]

>>18106049
Well I have no idea how educated your Muslim friends are. Shia theology is definitely heretical in some ways though. But like I said, for all intents and purposes, the average Shia is a Muslim.

That's literally the stance taken by this Saudi scholar, and if you know anything about Saudis, that means a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN_zRXx9EXI

[Anonymous No.18106077]

>>18105685
>warrior ethos: good
He would be accommodating of Persian Shia overlordship, given the current alternatives

>>18106011
>>18106011
>Saudis or the Gulfies are a good example to use, and they certainly don't represent Islam
Murtad shabbos, one and all

[Anonymous No.18106085]

>>18106068
>Well I have no idea how educated your Muslim friends are.
According to them they're really educated. They read hadiths, tafsirs etc.

[Anonymous No.18106096]

>>18106085
Sure, but if you only read Sunni literature, how can you form an opinion on Shias? They've probably been told they're whole life that Shias are kufr. In any case, even the guy I linked, who is heavily anti-Shia and anti-Persian, says that its wrong to call Shias kafir unless they worship Ali or do things of that nature

[Anonymous No.18106113]

>>18106096
They have researched into shiaism and all the other sects aswell

[Anonymous No.18106126]

>>18105917
It would be better for you to cut your own fingers off than to type anything misleading about the deen of truth, apostate.

[Anonymous No.18106129]

>>18106113
Great, but literally the scholars say that Shias are muslims. It doesn't sound like your friends are ulamas or theologians or anything like that, so their opinions don't mean shit to be frank

[Anonymous No.18106132]

>>18106096
There's a propaganda to cause war between sunni and shia. Be wise anon.

[Anonymous No.18106137]

>>18106126
AHHAHAH this is what I mean lmao fucking dumb ass religion and faggots tell me to stfu. Listen here faggot I'll type what I want, you go preach what you want, I'm not gonna stop because you aren't going to too.

[Anonymous No.18106143]

>>18106129
hmm yeah that's true, they're pretty retarded and reject science when it goes against them too ( not evolution )

[Anonymous No.18106145]

>>18105824
Interesting, you know where I can find that letter?

[Anonymous No.18106164]

>>18106143
Yeah its like >>18106132 this anyone said. There's been propaganda to create this divide since the 7th century. I'm not surprised at all that your friends believe that, but nobody with a real understanding shares those beliefs, including the anti-Shia scholars

[Anonymous No.18106167]

>>18106137
I'm only warning you about Allah. He is all-aware of everything you do and say. You should be grateful for the warning He sends you, I'm only His agent.

[Anonymous No.18106170]

>>18106167
>You should be grateful for satan's calling
no

[Anonymous No.18106175]

>>18106164
yeah I get you man

[Anonymous No.18106184]

>>18106170
If you think the shaytan is all-aware of everything you do, you are a fool and in error and the devil (may Allah curse him) has tricked you.

[Anonymous No.18106189]

>>18106126
fuckhead the internet is waking people up u cant do pareidolic interpretation of verses to forge miracles anymore nor do the zakir naik stupid shit for so very long. the only way to go is when u own up to the weird shit like throwing stones and marrying prepubery children n be proud of it then youll find whos really your kin n be strong with that, if u dont own up to all those more people will leave because people dont like being lied to. be confident and dont hide stuffs

[Anonymous No.18106208]

>>18105998
That's bullshit. Yeah al-Hallaj was killed, but so was Giordano Bruno. Islam had Rumi, it had Hafez, it had a hugely significant neoplatonic school of philosophy. It's only western propaganda that makes you think great poets would have been killed left and right

[Anonymous No.18106212]

>>18106189
Are you drunk?

[Anonymous No.18106313]

>>18106208
>Yeah al-Hallaj was killed, but so was Giordano Bruno.
It wasn't just him, pic related.

The western civilization didn't claim that it was free thinking from the dawn of its creation. Islam has said that it has freethinking rooted into it.

To compare Islam to medieval Europe to justify it, is wrong. Christians don't adamantly claim that their religion is free thinking, most Christian states turned into secular states ( all of Europe ) Sharia states will never turn to secular states because most Muslims want it to please Allah.

[Anonymous No.18106582]

>>18105685
He compared it favourably to Judaism and Christianity because it is more masculine and has less of a slave-mentality / humility etc. But keep in mind that whenever he compared religions, it was mostly to determine which plague is worse by comparing symptoms and lethality. Like all the other Abrahamic faiths, he called it decadent. Submissiveness to a god will not get you any sympathy from Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.18106609]

>>18105926
It's called Zakat

[Anonymous No.18106617]

>>18106609
Zakat is only paid from muslims to Muslims.

Jizya is different from zakat because its non-muslims paying to Muslims for security, exception from military service, protection etc...

This is fine in the middle east but when Muslims ask for sharia law in the west, this isn't okay.

[Anonymous No.18106622]

>>18106582
>because it is more masculine and has less of a slave-mentality / humility
Muslims believe they are slaves of allah so idk man. Also you have to be humble in Islam no flaunting etc..

[Anonymous No.18106627]

>>18106617
Jizya is not compatible with international law because it creates two classes of citizens. That's the original main cause for the law by the way, both for conversion and for keeping non-muslims out of the military.

[Anonymous No.18106631]

>>18106627
Why do you think they didn't allow non-muslims into the military?

[Anonymous No.18106637]

>>18105685
>I know Machiavelli liked Islam
Where did you get that from?

[Anonymous No.18106640]

>>18106622
That was only in comparison to the other two Abrahamic faiths. Like I said, it's like comparing Aids to Cancer. I really think Christians are more humble and cowed.

[Anonymous No.18106651]

>>18106640
Alright thanks a lot fren, you seem knowledgeable with Nietsczhe and stuff are you also an atheist?

[Anonymous No.18106660]

>>18106631
Not sure, but I think there was a law at some time. Not in recent times.

[Anonymous No.18106667]

>>18106660
>666

>Not sure, but I think there was a law at some time. Not in recent times.
Yeah it was from muhammad's time

[Anonymous No.18106673]

>>18105685
>be Neetch
>live in a time when Euros were Araboos
>see French paintings of Muslim life
>huge harems full of girls with big asses strutting around
>half-naked bellydancers smoke hookah and trade sex tips
>prudes don't even exist, if a Muslim knew that life in Europe wasn't a giant orgy, he would be aghast
>"AHHHHHHHH LIFE IN GERMANY IS SO REPRESSIVE I WISH I WAS A MOOR"

[Anonymous No.18106701]

>>18106651
I think the concept of God is a logical fallacy based on the fact that we seem to think the void can exist. So if the void is the default, something must have created the universe/multiverse/reality/something etc. So we come up with the big guy in the sky.

[Anonymous No.18106712]

>>18105691
probably the circumcision barring entry. I know most Americans would just have to grow a beard and shave their moustache, but for us Europeans, it requires another level of commitment.

[Anonymous No.18106722]

>>18106673
Compared with the other European countries, Cordoba was probably a pretty nice place in medieval times. Lots of books, art and Jews around, a bit like the Italian Renaissance but with more Black Gentleman.

[Anonymous No.18106724]

>>18106637
Can't remember if it was in the Prince or Discourses, but in one of the two. I think he refers to him as a "warrior prophet"

[Anonymous No.18106725]

>>18106701
So you're like Nietzsche: not anti-religion, agnostic and not really theistic?

I became a mystic after Islam cope, there's more pragmatism and other shit which religion lacks. I won't really go into too much detail about mysticism but its just Buddhism + god, at least to me.

[Anonymous No.18106755]

>>18106725
I'm anti-organized-religion, mostly because I consider it arrogant to make assumptions about the core of reality as we know fuck-nothing about that. Personally I suspect reality is mathematical, but I don't go around annoying people with that.

[Anonymous No.18106767]

>>18106313
You confuse (mostly) Iranian culture with Islam, the same way people confuse the culture of the Italian aristocracy or burgherclass with Roman Catholicism.

The reason the Islamic world cant do much anymore us because they replaced culture and class with religion.

[Anonymous No.18106776]

I always advice people to seperate religion from class and culture, that way 99% of so called religious achievements disappear.

[Anonymous No.18106780]

>>18106068
Saudis doesn't mean anything per se, there are very liberal Saudis and very conservative ones. Being a Saudi is not a position, it's a (completely concocted) nationality and their state approved scholars go with the favored position among the rulers. Right now the ruler is a secularist which is unusual. They do have many great scholars there (a lot are imprisoned)

The official Sunni position for over a thousand years is that Shia doctrine is, by and large, kufr, that is it's not Islam. Whether or not Shia *laymen* are considered disbelievers is what there is a difference of opinion on. There is an opinion in Hanafi school that their ignorance excuses them (but not their scholars). The other opinion (which also exists in Hanafi school) is the laymen are considered kuffar. Non Rafida Shia thought is considered deviant but many don't regard it as kufr, however it's a very small minority of Shia today

[Anonymous No.18106795]

>>18106038
This is completely incorrect, all four of the great Imams said it is not permissible to pray behind a Rafidi (meaning such a person is not a Muslim). But with the conversion of whole tribes to the sect for sometimes purely political reasons there got to be difference of opinion regarding the ignorant. The idea that the sect is Islam per se however is modernist, just like the Shia idea that Sunnis are Muslims is modernist

[Anonymous No.18106802]

Nietzsche is a philosophe for teenagers desu

[Anonymous No.18106819]

>>18106724
The section on armed prophets is in the Prince and he never mentions Mohammad there. He refers to Moses, though.

[Anonymous No.18106821]

>>18106673
Europeans knew very well Muslim women were completely covered, including the face (the pre colonial norm throughout the Ottoman Empire), when they went out, when they even could. It was in fact a point of severe criticism and colonialists worked to end it along with slavery.

[Anonymous No.18106827]

>>18106802
Teens don't read him, they talk about him.

[Anonymous No.18106830]

>>18106802
cringe

[Anonymous No.18106831]

>>18106712
Circumcision isn't mandatory in Islam

[Anonymous No.18106835]

>>18106831
hahaha lol are you dumb? it is a mandatory sunnah. Every muslim is circumcised

[Anonymous No.18106838]

>>18106821
Most of the middle east was one giant whore house and European men went on sex vacations from Morocco to Turkey.

This fits together with head coverings, because woman are basically property.

[Anonymous No.18106860]

>>18106831
Funny thing, alcohol consumption was originally not forbidden. It was only haram to pray in an intoxicated state.

[Anonymous No.18106870]

>>18106831
Yes it is

>>18106838
STD's are (and have always been) far more rampant in Europe. Men openly had multiple female partners, wives and slaves, but they didn't share them

[Anonymous No.18106887]

[Anonymous No.18106890]

>>18105824
>Before he went insane I believe there’s a letter where he said he wants to travel to North Africa to observe how Muslims lived
i'm positive he would have swam all the way back to italy if he did lmfao

[Anonymous No.18106898]

>>18106870
>and have always been
Not so sure about that. But yes, freedom comes at a price, and often leads to hedonism. But this is just evolution weeding out the weak. Protecting people from themselves is always folly.

[Anonymous No.18106907]

>>18106898
Islam is not about protecting people from themselves so much, individual privacy and due process are actually far more extensive in Sharia than even liberalism. It's when someone starts trying to normalize or set a public example of their sins that the law really comes down because that is what will corrupt and rot the whole society instead of the individual

[Anonymous No.18106910]

>>18105917
b-but it's based and redpilled because women can't show their ankles!!!!! how else am i supposed to cope with my insecurities????

[Anonymous No.18106919]

>>18105917
Bas-
>I left because buddhism
Huge cringe, I feel like I got whiplash.

[Anonymous No.18106939]

>>18106919
Any Dharmic religion is still better than any Abrahamic faith.

[Anonymous No.18106980]

>>18106907
There are no "sins", only preferable and non-preferable change. That's the problem right there, you guys are 99% Apollonian, or at least you are trying to be. The frustrations then discharge in bullshit like IS.

[Anonymous No.18106987]

>>18106313
None of this is true, this is New Atheist reddit tier crying about Islam

[Anonymous No.18106998]

>>18106870
>STD's are (and have always been) far more rampant in Europe.
Literally making shit up.

[Anonymous No.18107010]

>>18106980
Abitrary and artificial categories like Apollonian will come and go, I find people who know very little about Greek scholarship or Islam or German philosophy often toss around words like this thinking it means something when they often haven't even read enough about Greek drama to understand what Nietzsche is even talking about, let alone evaluate if what he's saying has validity.

IS is staggeringly above those who just generate biopower for the machine their whole lives

[Anonymous No.18107016]

>>18106998
Nope, only middle east country with STD problems is Iran and very Muslim parts of Africa (such as Somalia) have no AID's epidemic

[Anonymous No.18107022]

>>18107010
Ad hominem

[Anonymous No.18107026]

>>18106835
>mandatory
>sunnah
Sunnah by definition is not mandatory, albeit being encouraged

[Anonymous No.18107037]

>>18107026
That's not quite right. Sunnah is used in multiple ways. One is as a jurisprudence category meaning non mandatory, the other is as a basis of law in general alongside the Qur'an. This is what anon intended here

[Anonymous No.18107049]

>>18106910
funny thing is its pretty right wing but it infects other cultures and fucks it up so bad.

I feel so cringe when niggers on pol and incels say WOW ISLAM IS RIGHT ABOUT WOMEN WOWOOWOWOW. Which is really dumb, Islam is right about women but so were older traditions.

>>18106919
nigger moment, you probably think its statue worship don't you? Its enlightenment. Statue worship doesn't get you closer to enlightenment and it makes no sense to even build statues and other stuff but Buddha is a very respectful person so whatever man.There's a lot of dogmatic shit in Buddhism too which I'm not going to touch on.

[Anonymous No.18107053]

>>18106987
I'm not an atheist and all of it is true

[Anonymous No.18107058]

>>18107026
retard are you even muslim? Do you understand there are sunnahs which you can follow if you want to and there are those that are mandatory?

Praying 5x isn't in the Quran btw, Its sunnah which is mandatory, just like circumcision and other shit.

Every single Muslim does it

[Anonymous No.18107068]

>>18107016
https://www.al-fanarmedia.org/2018/04/aids-deaths-soar-in-the-arab-region/

Aids on the increase in middle east, most of them dont let themselves be tested.

[Anonymous No.18107083]

>>18107068
b-but circumcision reduces your chances of getting stds, this is fake statistic made to increase anti-semetic attacks!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.18107092]

>>18107068
I believe it is on the increase, but the rate is much lower than America or Europe except for Iran

[Anonymous No.18107130]

>>18107049
Women thing was the first that came to mind (specifically in the context of making fun of "based and redpilled" guys), but I feel disgust towards Islam in general. Christianity is weak, but the modern world was built on it and it's far better (if we really have to pick a religion) for it.

[Anonymous No.18107140]

>>18107130
>Christianity is weak, but the modern world was built on it and it's far better
This is same thing I was wondering about

/pol/ is really wonky lol its either Muslim hate or Muslim love ahhaha lot of shills

[Anonymous No.18107150]

>>18107140
Are you a regular there or do you just visit for shits and giggles?

[Anonymous No.18107159]

>>18107150
shits and giggles, mostly humor threads and I interact with the regulars and they tell me the situation

[Anonymous No.18107478]

>>18105917
>philosophy is haram in islam
This is a S*nni convention

[Anonymous No.18107526]

>>18107478
and?

[Anonymous No.18107553]

>>18106011
Pakistan is better example than iran
Why because on the surface iran is all islamic "looking" however the populace of that country is not
Pakistan is islamic country through and through

[Anonymous No.18107559]

>>18107526
Not that anon, but Shias are fond of philosophy. Mulla Sadra's Illuminationism is in fact one of the main subjects taught in Shia seminaries.

[Anonymous No.18107564]

>>18107559
Shias aren't considered muslims by sunni

[Anonymous No.18107566]

>>18105685
>and that Hitler and Himmler explicitly wished Germany had been a Muslim country instead of Christian
Tabletalks are fake, they never wanted this.

[Anonymous No.18107570]

>>18107478
Is the Sunnah so offensive to you that you treat following it as a filthy word?

>>18107553
Afghanistan as well. Ironically making takfir of an entire country (a munafiq is a type of kaffir, to be precise a kaffir who calls himself Muslim but is to be treated as an apostate) is far more extreme than anything IS does

[Anonymous No.18107571]

>>18107564
But Shias are considered Muslims by the Shia. Nobody cares about what sunnis think except themselves.

[Anonymous No.18107575]

>>18107559
Shia are regarded as worse than Jews and Christians, and they tend to ally with Christians against Muslims due to similarity in theology

[Anonymous No.18107581]

>>18107571
Shia are only ten percent of self labelled Muslims and produced no significant Islamic thinkers so their opinion is pretty insignificant

[Anonymous No.18107583]

>>18107575
First time I hear such a thing and I've been a Shia all my life. Kek

[Anonymous No.18107586]

>>18107581
Look at the geopolitics of the Middle East in 10 years and repeat this foolish statement

[Anonymous No.18107594]

>>18107581
>whatever the majority thinks is true is the truth
Come on anon, you must be better than that.
>no significant Islamic thinkers
What do you mean by this? There are a lot of very great Shia scholars and philosophers.

[Anonymous No.18107605]

>>18107583
It's the consensus that praying behind Shia is forbidden because they are on kufr akbar. There are two opinions concerning them as apostates though, one is that their scholars are but the people cannot be treated as apostates without showing them the evidence because they are ignorant being taught by men who deceive them. The other opinion, which is more common,is that all Rafida are apostates because someone can apostacize in ignorance. The point of contention hinges on whether or not apostacizing in ignorance is possible, and the idea that it is is the stronger opinion because all kufr is a form of jahiliyyah

[Anonymous No.18107612]

>>18107594

Shias don't consider sunnis as muslims and vice versa. So you don't have a point

[Anonymous No.18107620]

>>18107605
There was a youtube video of someone asking for a Shia mosque in a Sunni country and the natives started insulting him, and a Sunni asking to do the prayers in a Shia Hussainiya and the Shia were very welcoming and hospitable to him. It goes to show how different they are as Muslims.

[Anonymous No.18107623]

>>18107612
The Shi'a do consider Sunnis as Muslims though. Not sure where you got that from.

[Anonymous No.18107625]

>>18107612
This is an utterly retarded point. Shia and Sunni are Muslims to non-Muslims even if they aren't too each other.

A Catholic may not regard a Protestant LGBT+ church as a Christian church, but to a yid they're all the same shit

[Anonymous No.18107628]

>>18107625
yes exactly

[Anonymous No.18107632]

>>18107586
The Shia in Iraq depend on American air support to keep then in power which may not be there in ten years. Russian air support, which they depend on I'm Syria, might also vanish if the oil fields they paid the Russian crusaders with there cease to be a cost productive investment for them

>>18107594
Shia epistemology is entirely based on appeal to authority and not worth engaging with on these grounds. Which a Sunni scholar grades a Hadith he makes a particular examination of everyone in the chain and so forth and evaluates if it's sound, with other scholars able to correct him if he missed something. With the Shia however they go by clerics say so, a Hadith is judged by how it confirms a cleric's teaching rather than vice versa leading to usage of extraordinary weak Hadiths. Strong Hadiths from Ahlul Bayt by contrast are often written off as Taqiyyah for disagreement with clerical teachings

There is no worthwhile Shia thinker, they have not even produced a serious exegete

[Anonymous No.18107639]

>>18107623
They do now but for most of history they didn't. That's why the Safavids put all the Persia Sunnis to death and brought in Arabs to establish Shiasm

[Anonymous No.18107640]

>>18106673
These women were almost always sex slaves , captured after sacking of a place
Not actual arab women or Muslim women

[Anonymous No.18107642]

>>18107632
>Shia epistemology is entirely based

Stopped reading right there. Glad we can agree

[Anonymous No.18107662]

>>18107632
>Shia epistemology
That isn't true though. The Shia rely heavily on Ilm al-Rijal to determime the reliability of each narration, but ultimately if a hadith is not supported by the Qur'an, it isn't considered infallibly true.
>There is no worthwhile Shia thinker, they have not even produced a serious exegete
False again. On top pf my mind, Mulla Sadra and Tabatabai are two great Shia philosophers and both wrote tafsirs. The exegesis of the latter is currently the official Shia tafsif as far as I'm aware.

[Anonymous No.18107692]

>>18107662
"We shall learn in the coming lessons that sometimes a Hadith is weak as far the chain of the narrators are concerned, yet the scholars accept its content. On the other hand, there may be an authentic Hadith as far as the chain of its narrators is concerned. Yet the scholars do not rely on it. For if a narrator is weak it does not mean he would never tell the truth. Similarly, it could be that a Hadith is truly narrated from one of the Imams (a.s.), yet the Imam did not have a real intention in expressing it such as the Ahadith of Taqiyyah."

Hadiths are graded by accordance with Shia doctrine. So is the Qur'an itself interpreted in the most elastic way to accord to them.

I said a serious exegesis. By serious I mean rigor, not eisegesis

[Anonymous No.18107706]

>>18105691
I think all of them simply liked islam,the values it teaches and the type of person it produces, none of them actually believed in it

[Anonymous No.18107708]

>>18106802
Imagine if teenagers grew up to become someone who strives to become the bridge to the ubermensch.

[Anonymous No.18107712]

>>18107692
>"We shall learn ...
I see nothing wrong here. It says Ilm al-Rijal is not infallible, which makes sense, as we can't trust each of the narrators to be infallibly trustworthy, or even disregard the possibility of Taqqiyyah. The Sunni seem to rely heavily on narrations so it's probably a hard pill to swallow for them, but really if a hadith is not directly supported by the Qur'an, then there is always the possibility of it being false or distorted no matter how strong the chain seems to be.
>I said a serious exegesis. By serious I mean rigor, not eisegesis
You are being ridiculous and I don't have time for this shit.

[Anonymous No.18107727]

>>18107712
The Quran requires Hadiths to interpret in many places. But this is not talking about Qur'an, this is talking about Hadiths confirming clerical teachings. The Qur'an never once mentions Ali for example

[Anonymous No.18107748]

>>18106712
Americans are europeans.

[Anonymous No.18107769]

>>18107748
not the mutts of today lol very little are European and they're so fucking cucked that they allow themselves to be replaced by niggers and faggots

Its okay though, white people's rage go from not throwing out the trash to nazi tier concentration camps pretty quickly lol

[Anonymous No.18107885]

FROM PAGE 651 IN THE PORTABLE NIETZSCHE

THE ANTICHRIST, END OF SECTION 59:

Islam is a thousand times right in despising Christianity. Islam presupposes men.

Also, look at attached picture.

[Anonymous No.18107896]

>>18107885
FROM PAGE 652 IN THE PORTABLE NIETZSCHE:

THE ANTICHRIST, SECTION 60:

Christianity has cheated us out of the harvest of ancient culture; later it cheated us again, out of the harvest of the culture of Islam. The wonderful world of the Moorish culture of Spain, really more closely related to us, more congenial to our senses and tastes than Rome and Greece, was trampled down (I do not say by what kind of feet). Why? Because it owed its origin to noble, to male instincts, because it said Yes to life even with the rare and refined luxuries of Moorish life.

You can read The Antichrist by Nietzsche here:

http://www.handprint.com/SC/NIE/Antich.html

The following is the same section translated by our boy HL Mencken:

Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (—I do not say by what sort of feet—) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin—because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life!

[Anonymous No.18107909]

>>18107885
>>18107896

In summary, Nietzsche considered Islam to be a great religion closer to his own sensibility for its masculinity, led by a warrior figure such as Muhammad, although it has been conquered by the Christians through the crusades and propaganda, which he sheds light on in I think section 58, 59 of The Antichrist.

[Anonymous No.18107935]

>>18106068
>>18106085
>>18106096
>the average Shia is a Muslim.
Shia Iranians are allowed to enter Mecca for Haji so they must be accepted in some level. Although still plenty of conflict.

[Anonymous No.18107950]

>>18106780
Anyone who confesses belief in the 6 articles of faith and the 5 pillars is a Muslim. Only Allah knows fully the hearts of mankind and who is a believer and who is not a believer.

t. I'm an Ash'arite and a Hanafi

[Anonymous No.18107955]

>>18107935
They're allowed to enter by the House of Saud for political reasons, not due to rulings from scholars

>>18107950

You are not Ash'ari, rather you are from the murji'ah.

[Anonymous No.18107958]

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[Anonymous No.18107964]

>>18106870
Circumcision is sunnah, it's not mandatory. It's not haram to be uncircumcised, it doesn't fall you into disbelief to be uncircumcised. It's better to be circumcised and one could argue that it is obligatory but it is absolutely not mandatory.

[Anonymous No.18107997]

>>18107964
Brother, it's wajib, like growing the beard and trimming the mustache and nails and shaving the pubic hairs and plucking (or shaving) the armpit. Trying to distinguish between obligatiory and mandatory doesn't exist in Sharia unless you are making the distinction between wajib and fard as Hanafis do

[Anonymous No.18108000]

>>18107955
>you are from the murji'ah
No. You should take that back.

[Anonymous No.18108029]

>>18107997
>as Hanafis do
Yes.

My point is that if an uncircumcised man enters Islam it is not necessary for him to become circumcised. Yes he should be circumcised as per the sunnah but he should not be coerced or otherwise forced to be circumcised. Yes he should be taught that it is sunnah, and lastly it is not even necessary to inquire whether he is circumcised or not, it may even be bad manners to ask such things.

This is my opinion, and Allah knows best.

[Anonymous No.18108034]

>>18107935
hmm idk man I think the criteria for hajj is to be just be a Muslim and shia is still considered as Muslim on a legal level

[Anonymous No.18108038]

>>18108000
You just articulated their aqidah which is that iman is epistemologically inaccessible to man, this in spite of the fact that all four madhahib have many acts that constitute apostasy and incur capital punishment even of the transgressor claims Islam

[Anonymous No.18108043]

>>18108029
Brother, you are not qualified to issue a fatwa, I don't think, so fear Allah.

[Anonymous No.18108050]

>>18108034
There are two legal opinions. One is their scholars are kuffar but not their layman because their kufr is due to extreme ignorance. The other opinion is they are all kuffar and the latter opinion is stronger because all kufr is jahiliyyah

[Anonymous No.18108060]

>>18108029
>>18108043
this is literally how all Muslims are lol

1 gives opinion 2 says akhi you aren't qualified fear Allah

[Anonymous No.18108088]

>>18105685
>>18106724

Machiavelli doesn't mention Islam or Muhammad in either of The Prince and The Discourses, my friend. Where, exactly, are you pulling this from? I have both of my copies here, with me.

The only thing that I know of, and remember, from reading both books, was Machiavelli praising Ferdinand of Aragon in section XXI of The Prince, for undertaking the "great scheme...of clearing his kingdom of the Moors".

Not only that, but given what I know of Florentine politics, "Italy" in 15th and 16th centuries, as well as the history of the crusades that occurred and the literal racist views that nearly all Italians had towards the moors, muslims, arabs and Muhammad in general, I find the claim that "Machiavelli liked Islam" dubious.

Machiavelli talks about the armed prophet in The Prince. How you must be armed, but he does not mention Muhammad or give any praise in particular to the moors or anyone who is arab.

So, OP, explain yourself.

[Anonymous No.18108098]

>>18108088
probably thought it was someone else, mistakes happen

[Anonymous No.18108102]

>>18108088
Dante places Muhammad in the 9th bolgia in the 8th circle of hell and Ali he puts there as well for the schism he caused between sunni and shia.

Seriously, where is OP getting the idea that Machiavelli liked Islam?

[Anonymous No.18108109]

>>18107896
>christianity is not greek religion
Woah So THIS is the power of the ubermenschen.

[Anonymous No.18108111]

>>18108098
This is /lit/, let's make sure we're actually reading the authors that we are using and claiming as reference.

[Anonymous No.18108113]

>>18108111
no stfu nigger my author likes who I want him to like

[Anonymous No.18108119]

>>18108113
Hahahahahaha, I'm just glad I won this :)
I was like, hol up, I've read my nigga Machiavelli, where'd he praise Islam, that would've been interesting.

Ahh well.

[Anonymous No.18108125]

>>18108102
is dante anti-islam?

[Anonymous No.18108136]

>>18108060
That's because legislation is infringing on Allah's authority

[Anonymous No.18108140]

>>18108038
No. I'm not going to argue with you you'll take my word for it I follow Hanafi madhab.
>>18108043
I'm reiterating what I've been taught, it's not a new ruling. I'm not interested in arguing whether it's my fatwa or not or if it were my own fatwa if I'm qualified or not.
>>18108060
We don't have a clerical system, I know it's weird because the propaganda is always saying muslim cleric this and that. Shia have a clerical system of sorts.

[Anonymous No.18108151]

>>18108140
>We don't have a clerical system, I know it's weird because the propaganda is always saying muslim cleric this and that. Shia have a clerical system of sorts.
I meant it as in: Muslims will use fatwas only from scholars and other people who are more knowledgeable

[Anonymous No.18108160]

>>18108125
Yes, but he also, interestingly, has three non-Christian arabs, Saladin, Avicenna, and Averroes (who were considered to be the great commentators of the great philosophers) in Limbo rather than in Inferno or Purgatory, which is quite telling.

He places all the great poets and all the great philosophers there, too: Homer, Ovid, Virgil, Lucan, Plato, Aristotle)

But yes, he was incredibly anti anything that wasn't Christian.

Still makes for an interesting work of art, though.

[Anonymous No.18108173]

>>18108160
so he would've gotten killed in an islamic sharia state just like this anon said? >>18105998

[Anonymous No.18108183]

>>18107478
This

[Anonymous No.18108191]

>>18108173
Absolutely, what is this, news to you? Are you a student or underage, my friend? Any depictions of Muhammad generally result in violence. They don't fuck around with that.

Mad people have wanted to kill Dante for the way he's portrayed a bunch of people, even local people he knew, in the Divine Comedy.

[Anonymous No.18108194]

>>18108160
Interesting, but I thought Avicenna was Iranian rather than Arab.

[Anonymous No.18108206]

>>18108173
yes dude lol

Any depictions of the prophet is to be destroyed and the person is to be killed. Have you not seen how people got mad over the French dude that drew Muhammad?

Just like this anon said >>18108191

[Anonymous No.18108212]

It’s funny how all the people who say Islam is based just take whatever Ziocon types say: “Islam oppresses women”,”Islam hates Jews”, etc.

[Anonymous No.18108213]

>>18108173

[Anonymous No.18108215]

For this thread

[Anonymous No.18108218]

>>18108191
>>18108206
>>18108213
B-b-but islam is based!!!1!

[Anonymous No.18108227]

>>18108215
Will do

[Anonymous No.18108445]

If Nietzsche was pro-Islam, you would see mudslimes shilling him far more frequently

[Anonymous No.18108514]

>>18108445
>when pigs fly
If beer rained down we'd all be drinking water at the pub to sober up on a night out.

[Anonymous No.18108527]

>>18108445
He basically was pro-islam, Christianity weakened it and everything else, anon solved op's question, refer to here:

>>18107885
>>18107896

[Anonymous No.18108582]

>>18108527
no, he wasn't basically 'pro-islam'. He definitely held Islam in higher regard compared to Christianity, but it's still a moralizing religion.

[Anonymous No.18108598]

>>18108445
Muslims don't care about how the non-believer feels towards Islam. Only thing that matters is if they are telling lies about the religion, or otherwise don't have their facts straight.

[Anonymous No.18108627]

>>18108582
...Did you read Nietzsche's actual words or are you just using him to justify your own thoughts?

Here is one of his quotes:

Christianity has cheated us out of the harvest of ancient culture....

word, Nietzsche, what else?

...later it cheated us again, out of the harvest of the culture of Islam.

Damn, bro, you don't say? Do say more!

The wonderful world of the Moorish culture of spain, really more closely related to US, more congenial to our senses and tastes than Rome and Greece...

What do you think about the religion as a whole, Nietzsche?

...it owed its origin to noble, to MALE instincts, because it said Yes to life even with the rare and refined luxuries of Moorish life.

Boom.

Fuck your opinion.

[Anonymous No.18108691]

>>18108627
lel, it's time to actually read his works, instead of the 'portable nietzsche'.
fucking newfag
>Paul willed the end; therefore he also willed the means.... What he himself didn’t believe was swallowed readily enough by the idiots among whom he spread his teaching.—What he wanted was power; in Paul the priest once more reached out for power—he had use only for such concepts, teachings and symbols as served the purpose of tyrannizing over the masses and organizing mobs. What was the only part of Christianity that Mohammed borrowed later on? Paul’s invention, his device for establishing priestly tyranny and organizing the mob: the belief in the immortality of the soul—that is to say, the doctrine of “judgment”....
Muhammad comes from the Pauline Christian tradition
S L A V E M O R A L I T Y

now fuck off abdul

[Anonymous No.18108699]

>>18108627
Most people in history haven't known Islam as well as they do now.

Take Hitler for example: He thought that Islam was really really based, about killing jews and other shit, very masculine unlike Christianity,

But reality is completely different from what he thought. Muslims don't hate Jews and Muslims aren't masculine either. The prophet was, sure, his followers? not so much.

Islam would've killed him if he spoke out against it instead of Christianity ( Which he most likely would have since Islam has the same moralization thing that Nietzsche was talking about. ). Dante would've been killed, Blake would've been killed, literally anyone that made a depiction of Muhammad

Your chances of being an isreali or muslim shill is very high too.

[Anonymous No.18108759]

>>18108691
What was the only part of Christianity that Mohammed borrowed later on? Paul’s invention, his device for establishing priestly tyranny and organizing the mob

So Nietzsche recognized Muhammad absorbed what was useful and discarded the rest?

Thanks for proving my point.

>>18108699
>Islam would've killed him if he spoke out against it instead of Christianity ( Which he most likely would have since Islam has the same moralization thing that Nietzsche was talking about. ). Dante would've been killed, Blake would've been killed, literally anyone that made a depiction

Huh? No shit?

Didn't we already go over this in
>>18108191

Just because "Islam" would've killed Nietzsche doesn't mean he doesn't respect or particularly like. Au contraire.

[Anonymous No.18108771]

>>18108759
>So Nietzsche recognized Muhammad absorbed what was useful and discarded the rest?
you proved my point of not having read Nietzsche
what a cope lmao

[Anonymous No.18108781]

>>18108759
>Just because "Islam" would've killed Nietzsche doesn't mean he doesn't respect or particularly like
What do you mean "Islam"? Are you implying that people don't killed for wrong think in islam?

[Anonymous No.18108804]

>>18108781
...They absolutely do. What do you think I mean by Islam? A world religion. We are restating the same point over and over and over again.

Dante would have been bodied.
Nietzsche would have been bodied. etc.etc.

What is your point, again?

[Anonymous No.18108845]

>>18108804
I thought you meant that it wasn't true Islam and that you were going to use some points like "if you kill 1 person it's as if you've killed the entirety of humanity" from the Quran etc....

[Anonymous No.18108924]

>>18107478
Much of Islamic history was still dominated by Sunni beliefs and yes falasafa flourished. It’s a postcolonial Wahabbist convention, not Sunni.

[Anonymous No.18108934]

>>18108759
he's >>18108771 right newfag
muh 'Nietzsche loved Islam' is the ultimate pleb filter

[Anonymous No.18108960]

>>18105685
>Machiavelli
Talking about that guy, do you know a good place for an analysis of the Prince and why is it still relevant and useful for modern leaders ?

[Anonymous No.18109062]

>>18108845
Oh. No. Not at all.

>>18108934
Who stated Nietzsche loved Islam? Love is a strong word in Nietzsche's vocabulary. Nietzsche liked it enough to include a few thoughts about his respecting the manliness of the religion in The Antichrist and a couple of his notebooks.

Thank you for the absolutely wonderful contribution to this otherwise interesting conversation.

>>18108960
My personal favorite analysis of The Prince is actually by Louis Althusser. He wrote a short little book called Machiavelli et nous or Machiavelli and Us. It's translated by Verso, it's only about 100 pages and it is devastatingly good.

[Anonymous No.18109078]

why did he go nuts?

[Anonymous No.18109097]

>>18108527
>He basically was pro-islam
A single passage in a work consisting of thousands of pages is not the same as being pro-Islam. He says far more and even better things about Buddhism and he wasn't pro-Buddhism either.

[Anonymous No.18109120]

>>18109078
Brain cancer / some neurodegenerative disorder.

[Anonymous No.18109125]

>>18109097
I mean, it's in three sections, at least, that I myself have found in The Antichrist, but I understand your point.


Ultimately, Nietzsche was pro-manliness, right? Islam manifested a pro-manliness, at some point. That's what he himself is simply acknowledging. I'm not saying Nietzsche would look at the state of islam now and respect or admire it.

>He says far more and even better things about Buddhism and he wasn't pro-Buddhism either.

Well, sure. Schopenhauer, bruh. Huge influence on him. And Schopenhauer loved him some Buddha.

[Anonymous No.18109138]

>>18109062
Thanks !

[Anonymous No.18109233]

>>18106725
Ah, perhaps I made a mistake

[Anonymous No.18109546]

>>18109078
Syphilis

[Anonymous No.18109676]

>>18108699
The Qur'an is very harsh on Jews and extensively so and massacring them is integral to Islamic eschatology

Saying the Sahaba weren't manly strikes me as uniformed. Khalid bin Waleed broke several swords in one battle and said he treasured a cold night at war more than his wedding day

[Anonymous No.18109714]

>>18109676
>The Qur'an is very harsh on Jews and extensively so and massacring them is integral to Islamic eschatology

No, it isn't. ALL of my Muslim sunni friends don't hate on the jews and they don't think they're bad at all.

Jews are their allies and even if Muslims are against jews, they end up becoming Jewish slaves by going to Europe and other countries just like the jews want them to because they realize that Muslims absolutely destroy western culture.

[Anonymous No.18109726]

>>18109676
>Saying the Sahaba weren't manly strikes me as uniformed. Khalid bin Waleed broke several swords in one battle and said he treasured a cold night at war more than his wedding day

I didn't say the sahabas now did I? The jew-like merchant prophet and his sahabas were manly and they did kill jews, hated niggers, and other shit but I was talking about the Muslims of today who get pissed at cartoons and other niggertarted shit.

[Anonymous No.18109791]

>>18105685
>Machiavelli and Rousseau both liked Islam, and that Hitler and Himmler explicitly wished Germany had been a Muslim country instead of Christian
What a vapid take on religion. Everyone who uses religion as a means to a political end is big cringe

[Anonymous No.18109797]

>>18109791
nigger

[Anonymous No.18109800]

>>18109714
>ALL of my Muslim sunni friends don't hate on the jews and they don't think they're bad at all.
All your friends are coconuts lol. I'm a Sunni and every single Muslim I know except for coconuts thinks Jews are mischievous, thieving troublemakers at best and Satanic at worst. It's impossible not to if you read Qur'an which says they slander Mary and repeat the worst lies about her and reject Jesus and have earned Allah's anger. The first of Qur'an, the prayer we use with every rakat, refers to them (those who have earned Allah's anger, we ask to not be as the Jews), and the second chapter, the longest of the Qur'an, uses them as a continual theme for what we should avoid being, people who are rebellious and seeking to use legal trickery to outwit Allah.


NATO states actively invades Muslims with armies to serve Jews, then complain Muslims who have been displaced by this effort serve Jews.

>>18109726
Every Sahabi would kill over that cartoon because they take blasphemy very seriously unlike Europe which is offended by the sacred and the modest and desires the whole planet be one big strip club where the religion is a source of mockery but questioning the Holocaust ours you in prison

[Anonymous No.18109817]

>>18109797
Exactly the level of response I would expect from an islamaboo

[Anonymous No.18109833]

>>18109800
> Europe which is offended by the sacred and the modest and desires the whole planet be one big strip club
Jfl if you think this is European culture, you've already lost the convo you retard jew.


What Europe has now is Jewish indoctrination of the goyim, they push immigration and other shit.

European culture is more closer to hitler; hatred of lgbtq, women being in kitchen and other shit.

Retard
>All your friends are coconuts lol. I'm a Sunni and every single Muslim I know except for coconuts thinks Jews are mischievous, thieving troublemakers at best and Satanic at worst. It's impossible not to if you read Qur'an which says they slander Mary and repeat the worst lies about her and reject Jesus and have earned Allah's anger. The first of Qur'an, the prayer we use with every rakat, refers to them (those who have earned Allah's anger, we ask to not be as the Jews), and the second chapter, the longest of the Qur'an, uses them as a continual theme for what we should avoid being, people who are rebellious and seeking to use legal trickery to outwit Allah.
Yet my Muslim sunni friends are the ones who have read tafsirs and who have listened to scholars and none of them think the jews are the bad guys.

[Anonymous No.18109838]

>>18109817
good, now get back into the over nigger

[Anonymous No.18109850]

>>18109838

[Anonymous No.18109860]

>>18109833
>it's not OUR fault that all of these bad things have happened, it's all because of those ebil jews who are subhuman and yet also simultaneously rule over us for some reason!
you are doomed to a lifetime of confusion

[Anonymous No.18109866]

>>18105917
>This is coming from an ex-mus, I hate feminism, I hate lgbtq, I hate the alphabet people. No. I'm not a retard who left Islam because of nigger leftists ideology. I left because buddhism
Cringe. You played yourself.

[Anonymous No.18109871]

>>18109833
Frace was opposing the sacred since the Revolution

Having non Muslim friends is forbidden in Islam because the Qur'an says those who take them as friends are one of them. In the tafsir of the second chapter of Qur'an, Ibn Kathir's and Tabari's both, it says the verse talking about troublemakers who are kaffirs pretending to be Muslims and saying they are just peacemakers or reformers, refers to so called Muslims who try to take kuffar as friends to keep Peace with them. Your "friends" are definitely coconuts who listen to coconut shaykhs if hey don't make bara of either Jews or you, since making bara of mushrikeen and Jews is considered part of Tawheed

[Anonymous No.18109880]

>>18109833
t. American

[Anonymous No.18109883]

>>18109860
Ahahah okay faggot.

Its definitely OUR fault that we didn't realize that its poison yeah bro.

Its not like the jews indoctrinated us from birth or anything, definitely not its fully 100% our fault.


face the wall nigger

[Anonymous No.18109891]

>>18109871
>Having non Muslim friends is forbidden in Islam because the Qur'an says those who take them as friends are one of them. In the tafsir of the second chapter of Qur'an, Ibn Kathir's and Tabari's both, it says the verse talking about troublemakers who are kaffirs pretending to be Muslims and saying they are just peacemakers or reformers, refers to so called Muslims who try to take kuffar as friends to keep Peace with them. Your "friends" are definitely coconuts who listen to coconut shaykhs if hey don't make bara of either Jews or you, since making bara of mushrikeen and Jews is considered part of Tawheed

hahha okay sure thing faggot.

[Anonymous No.18109965]

>>18109883
you won't take responsibility, you'll always point the finger elsewhere and blame others. you refuse to see your own flaws and weaknesses and your entire reality is a narcissistic delusion where your people can do no wrong so when something wrong inevitably happens, you start looking for scapegoats
absolutely pathetic, you're a child

[Anonymous No.18109971]

>>18109891
Ibn Kathir on Suratal Baqarah

>The statement by Ibn Jarir [at-Tabari] is true, taking the disbelievers as friends is one of the categories of mischief on the earth. Allah said,
وَالَّذينَ كَفَرُواْ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَآءُ بَعْضٍ إِلاَّ تَفْعَلُوهُ تَكُنْ فِتْنَةٌ فِى الاٌّرْضِ وَفَسَادٌ كَبِيرٌ
>(And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, if you do not do this (help each other), there will be turmoil and oppression on the earth, and great mischief.) (8:73), In this way Allah severed the loyalty between the believers and the disbelievers. Similarly, Allah said,
يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْكَـفِرِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَتُرِيدُونَ أَن تَجْعَلُواْ للَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ سُلْطَاناً مُّبِيناً
>(O you who believe! Do not take disbelievers as Awliya' (protectors or helpers or friends) instead of believers. Do you wish to offer Allah a manifest proof against yourselves) (4: 144).
Allah then said,
إِنَّ الْمُنَـفِقِينَ فِى الدَّرْكِ الاٌّسْفَلِ مِنَ النَّارِ وَلَن تَجِدَ لَهُمْ نَصِيراً
>(Verily, the hyprocrites [munafiqs, imposter Muslims] will be in the lowest depth of the Fire; no helper will you find for them) (4:145).
>Since the outward appearance of the hypocrite [munafiq] displays belief, he confuses the true believers. Hence, the deceitful behavior of the hypocrites is an act of mischief, because they deceive the believers by claiming what they do not believe in, and because they give support and loyalty to the disbelievers against the believers.

>If the hypocrite remains a [open] disbeliever (rather than pretending to be Muslim), the evil that results from him would be less.
Cont

[Anonymous No.18109985]

>>18109971
>Even better, if the hypocrite becomes sincere with Allah and makes the statements that he utters conform to his deeds, he will gain success. Allah said,
وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ لاَ تُفْسِدُواْ فِى الأَرْضِ قَالُواْ إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُصْلِحُونَ
>(And when it is said to them: "Do not make mischief on the earth,'' they say: "We are only peacemakers.'') meaning, "We seek to be friends with both parties, the believers and the disbelievers, and to have peace with both parties.'' Similarly, Muhammad bin Ishaq reported that Ibn `Abbas said,
وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ لاَ تُفْسِدُواْ فِى الأَرْضِ قَالُواْ إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُصْلِحُونَ
>(And when it is said to them: "Do not make mischief on the earth,'' they say: "We are only peacemakers.'') means, "We seek to make amends between the believers and the People of the Book. '' Allah said,
أَلا إِنَّهُمْ هُمُ الْمُفْسِدُونَ وَلَـكِن لاَّ يَشْعُرُونَ
>(Verily, they are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.). This Ayah means that the hypocrites' behavior, and their claim that it is for peace, is itself mischief, although in their ignorance, they do not see it to be mischief.

[Anonymous No.18109987]

>>18109965
I do admit the west makes mistakes, Europe made the mistake of accepting the jews, we've done many mistakes. But blaming it 100% on us is not right, which is what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.18110005]

>>18105917
This is a powerful post...

[Anonymous No.18110012]

>>18105691
fpbp
abrahamism is about overthrowing existing social order to replace it with itself. In three different major flavors of operation.
Leaders love it for this reason.
Not because its accurate.

[Anonymous No.18110018]

>>18109971
>>18109985
Would this not the majority of Muslims into fake Muslims because they do not recognize that there is Jewish hatred in Islam?

[Anonymous No.18110058]

>>18110018
Most Muslims make bara of Jews. Saying a majority don't make bara of Jews is incorrect

[Anonymous No.18110086]

>>18110058
bara?

[Anonymous No.18110116]

>>18110086
Bara means reject and disavow, the ninth chapter of the Quran was originally called that, it's also called Tawba (repentance) but it's mostly about bara. Wala and bara are considered part of Tawheed, it means loving what Allah loves and hating what he hates. Not making bara of Jews means saying you are pleased with them even though Allah is displeased with them

[Anonymous No.18110363]

islam is a barbaric religion created specifically for inbred people (and goat fuckers) from middle east and north africa, people back then didn´t know what islam was besides the historical perspective, also allah doesn´t exist, and if he does, he practices sodomy with the Satan BVLL

[Anonymous No.18110391]

>>18110363
for an inbred religion, these niggas have taken shit damn far. i mean, damn.

[Anonymous No.18110409]

>>18110391
they really did, it helps being strategically located near three continents, but at the end of the day, they´re inbread and pathetic people

[Anonymous No.18110420]

>>18110409
are you saying all arabs or only muslims now?

[Anonymous No.18110753]

>>18110409
I have irish family who married cousins

[Anonymous No.18111003]

>>18108160
Saladin was Kurdish and Avicenna Iranian

[Anonymous No.18111068]

>>18111003
aka Arab?

[Anonymous No.18112830]

Sounds like he sensed Islam may have more innate resilience to globohomo antics but probably still isn't enough over the long term

[Anonymous No.18112930]

>>18111068
You jew, I am 100% kurdish don‘t call me an Arab. Not because we’re superior or inferior, but we simply are different. Also fuck Israel‘s fake love for Kurds lol

[Anonymous No.18112963]

>>18106712
or grassisgreenerism.

[Anonymous No.18112969]

>>18107706
>>18105691
maybe its the thing where you really only have passing and textual knowledge of a thing while you have more practical and lived experience of something else. that way you idealize it to some degree.

[Anonymous No.18112992]

It‘s funny how Non-Muslims want to belittle the positive opinions great men had about Islam and find 1000 excuses. Aren’t you ashamed of your childish behaviour?

[Anonymous No.18113034]

>>18106712
>but for us Europeans, it requires another level of commitment
true homosexuality is forbidden

[Anonymous No.18113060]

>>18107896
>Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain
lol this is like when people romanticize the 50s