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Facts.

>> No.18087438

>>18087429
Freedom is a lie

>> No.18087442

>>18087429
Correct. Which is why capitalism and conservatism/traditionalism are fundamentally contradictory.

>> No.18087444
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18087444

>>18087429
I don't think freedom or equality are good things though

>> No.18087452

>>18087442
Explain

>> No.18087455

why freedom is better than equality?

>> No.18087458

>>18087455
Because 'Muricaaaaa

>> No.18087475

>>18087455
Because equality is unattainable and aiming for it inevitably leads to great injustice and freedom requires nothing.
It takes work to rob people of freedom, it takes work to not only attain but also to keep equality and it's unstable if achieved.

>> No.18087478

>>18087455
Why is equality better than freedom?

>> No.18087495

>>18087429
This sounds like bullshit pithiness designed to ensnare idiots who are barely above average in terms of their intelligence. But they have a nice house and a nice family so they delude themselves into believing their paleo conservatism is somehow radical because, golly gee, they must actually be much smarter (better) than they think since they have all this nice stuff. And smart people are always radical, right?

I am socially conservative and fiscally liberal; still, worshipping Buckley in this day and age is a little like worshipping your idiot father simply because he happened to find himself in a position teaching economics at Colombia. You say to yourself: the system sucks! Yet, at the same time, wish to retain the old venerations just in case the establishment does finally get around to accepting you like they accepted your father. It's pathetic.

Move beyond Buckley; his conservatism is a polite dead end masquerading as a daring new frontier. Stop hoping your enemies will like you and have you on their television programs.

>> No.18087508

"Freedom" is just an ideological term. What he really likes in inequality and some people doing what they're told and others telling them what to do.

>> No.18087515

>>18087452
Capitalism, by nature, basically destroys, corrodes and eats every structure, including the conservative ones. There isn't anything more disgusting than a nation where faggots and trannies co-exist with cuckservatives. It can only be possibly through capitalism, which is everyone's whore. Capitalism is always expanding its customer base and that means catering to everyone. A capitalist and "conservative" nation is not possible because sooner or later they will run out of things to conserve due to capitalism's corroding influence and its enhancing of every customer's importance, whatever their non-conservative qualities (faggotry, etc.). Conservatism can only truly exist in an authoritarian system.

>> No.18087524

>>18087495
>I am socially conservative and fiscally liberal;
Oxymoron.

>> No.18087527

>>18087508
Yes. This is exactly it. "Radical" conservatism too often devolves into a very base and simple desire for more explicit forms of boot licking. It could be so much more. Futurism had something, before it was twisted into Fascism.

>> No.18087535
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18087535

>Facts.

>> No.18087540

>>18087524
No? I believe in the importance of traditional family structures and think that immigration should be strictly limited. At the same time, I believe in robust systems of social service.

>> No.18087544

>>18087515
Surely that depends how conservative you want to be.
Very few people aim for hardline conservatism; generally conservatives just want to take it slower than the liberals strive for.

Almost all -isms and ideologies are impossible or at the very least unfeasible when taken to their logical extremes. I am not a centrist by the way.

>> No.18087548

>>18087527
>boot licking
another leftist projecting his foot fetish

>> No.18087569

>>18087544
I firmly believe that American "conservatives" are just disillusioned contrarians who can't accept they have been uttery raped. I can't think of a single thing they have to conserve. Faggots won, trannies won, niggers won, fedoras won. There's nothing left, they can't even conserve their own dignity now. But hey, at least they still have muh freedom, right?

>> No.18087573

>>18087548
>you need to unconditionally accept your poverty with a smile and never once seek to change it even though you're not responsible for it
This is the position of the boot licker. Like I say, I am not a leftist, but any idiot can recognise this. You are actively hurting your own movement by defending "conservatives" like Buckley and Thatcher and so on.

>> No.18087583

>>18087569
Cool story, bro.
Continue with your narrow and America centric world view.

>> No.18087584

>>18087573
I'm not hurting anything by mocking trite and over-used political insults

>> No.18087596

>>18087583
The thread is about William F. Buckley Jr, an American conservative, back when they still had things to conserve.

>> No.18087597

>>18087584
It was a throwaway word that you highlighted as a result of your own insecurities. Stop falling for the taunts and start using your enemy's terminology against them.

>> No.18087602

>>18087596
Your previous post wasn't centered around American politics.

>> No.18087605

>>18087583
And btw, same shit applies to Europe and soon to the other yet-to-be-globalized countries.

>> No.18087606

>>18087569
Don't forget the fact that they're now essentially a banana republic.

>> No.18087612

Poor people are of inferior genetic stock and are born with lower intelligence.
Intelligent wealthy people have the Right to Rule over them.

>> No.18087615

>>18087429
Buckley was the original cuckservative and National Review nowadays is just a neocon rag.

>> No.18087621

>>18087597
That's what I did, foot fetishist.

>> No.18087627

>>18087612
It's all the same, really. Rich=education=intelligence.

>> No.18087634

>>18087612
If you're so sure of that, why not make genetic health the marker? Why insist it be wealth? Could it be that you're secretly terrified? After all, a lot of the wealthiest are idiots thanks to inbreeding and poor mate selection. Eugenics is garbage, but even it is a better system than the one you're proposing.

>> No.18087635

>>18087455
Freedom is applied equally.

>> No.18087637

>>18087602
I could've said Western and basically the same shit would apply.

>> No.18087641

>>18087612
>Poor people are of inferior genetic stock and are born with lower intelligence.
Yes, on average but the differences are way larger between different geographically separated populations.

>> No.18087643

>>18087621
That's not making the term your own and thereby changing its definition to something positive. That's just an ad hominem.

>> No.18087654

>>18087612
It's all money, really It’s better to be born rich than smart. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2019/05/15/georgetown-study-felicity-huffman-lori-loughlin-report/1193938001/

>> No.18087670

>>18087429
Funny thing is, Marx agrees.

>> No.18087673

>>18087670
I agree as well :)

>> No.18087690

>>18087429
Freedom to be unequal is good, yes, but not in such extremes as we see today. Inequality should be that of merit. The greatest artists get the greatest recognitions. The greatest academics, the directorships of their departments. The greatest sportsmen, the greatest awards. And so on. The only system, however, which can achieve this, which has come closest to achieving this, is the exact system argued against with this quote. That is to say, Socialism.

>> No.18087699

>>18087634
Genetic engineering is the future

>> No.18087712

Yes. Freedom (ie capitalism) is good because it creates inequality (ie justice). The virtuous and strong thrive, and then vicious and weak are left behind. The insanity of today is a rebellion against this.

>> No.18087718

>>18087654
It’s better to be born rich than smart.

That’s the sobering takeaway of a new national study released by Georgetown University on Wednesday that suggests a child's success in life is shaped less by their innate talents and more by their social standing and life circumstances from birth to early adulthood.

Specifically, researchers found that seven out of 10 wealthy kindergarten students with low test scores were affluent by age 25, compared to only three out of 10 high-scoring kindergarten students from poor families who were affluent by early adulthood.

"If you’re born well off and you don’t show talent, you have a better chance of ending up in a good job than if you’re a low-income, talented student," said Tony Carnavale, director of Georgetown's Center on Education and the Workforce, which produced the study.

>> No.18087725

>>18087690
This is considered racist, sexist and transphobic in america, which means it would be soon in western europe and then the rest of the world. Sorry but you're going to be clapping at what the retarded nigger tranny makes with tears on your eyes.

>> No.18087738

>>18087699
You say that, but there are bound to be a series of roadblocks and variables that remain unaccounted for. There might be so many that we won't be able to solve the majority of them for at least another millennium. Genetics at this juncture reminds me of the space race, only it's bound to have more dire consequences. No doubt China will create something awful and will continue to make a number of horrid miscalculations until they either destroy themselves as a nation or give up. The bulk of genetic research will likely come from China, but quality genetic research will still come from Europe predominantly. And that's going to be a much slower process.

>> No.18087745

>>18087725
>Sorry but you're going to be clapping at what the retarded nigger tranny makes with tears on your eyes.
Cuckservatives in a nutshell. Too stupid to realize this because muh free capitalism.

>> No.18087753

>>18087725
>This is considered racist, sexist and transphobic in america, which means it would be soon in western europe
Funny that the centers of capitalist power adopt views like this. I wonder why China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, and the DPRK don’t have this issue.

>> No.18087754

>>18087725
As the other anon implied, that's more the result of unrestrained "free" trade than anything else.

>> No.18087865

>>18087429
Buckley also said that voting is mostly a mechanism for throwing out rascals, rather than making policy, a point that's difficult to refute. And he got a little quiet when Robert Hughes had to remind him of how wealth and power go hand-in-hand, and can make inequality onerous and corrupting in its degree. So by the standards of today's run of Right-leaning kooks and loudmouth ideologues he was pretty sane.

>> No.18087880

>>18087865
What does the name 'Buckley' mean in English?
t. ESL :)

>> No.18087915

>>18087429
BASED skull and bones vacuous debate kid.

>> No.18087973
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18087973

>>18087429
Unless you have freedom to be unfree there is no such thing as freedom

>> No.18088138

>>18087880
Nothing in modern English, though its origins apparently have to do with goatherding in Ireland.

>> No.18088162

>>18087444
check'd
I also think like that - they're both bourgeois concepts made in the "Enlightment"

>> No.18088222

>>18087725
>Sorry but you're going to be clapping at what the retarded nigger tranny makes with tears on your eyes.
Lolol we are already here

>> No.18089080

>>18088162
Yeah essentially, they are sorta admirable ideals but not relevant to the real state of the world or how it has ever really worked.

>> No.18089171

>>18088138
Thanks, Mr Anglobro.

>> No.18089394

>>18087455
Because enforced equality elevates some people to functions they aren't capable of performing well and reduces the creative potential of others.

Freedom is a pre-requisite to creativity.

>> No.18089444

>>18087690
>The greatest artists get the greatest recognitions.
>The greatest academics, the directorships of their departments.
Soviets repressed artists and scientists. They propped up hacks like Lysenko while censoring and starving out geniuses like Vavilov. They got their rocket technology from nazi expats and their nuclear technology from brittish spies. China nowadays is the world centre for copyright infrigement because they just freeride other countries' R&D investments.

Central planning always leads to censorship, to one group closing the bounds of what is considered meritous.

>> No.18089453

>>18087475
Freedom is also unattainable.