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Why did Odysseus have to butcher those poor servant girls at the end?

>> No.18081642
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18081642

The mentality of males in this age. Homer thought nothing of a sovereign pirate slaughtering some of his slaves.
It’s fiction, so we can imagine it never happened or they were evil or whatever. We shouldn’t want a return to monarchism. It was never a good idea.

>> No.18082091

He was such a dick getting his crew killed left and right too.

>> No.18082104

>>18081580
They were literal assholes who sucked up to the suitors every chance they could. A little harsh? Yah, but Odysseus is rightfully pissed at how much disrespect his former comrades displayed to his home, his wife, and his son.

>> No.18082110

>>18081642
Die, rostie.

>> No.18082120

>>18081580
If he hadn't done that he would have looked like a weakling pussy to the Greeks of that era. They were considered soiled and needed to die with the rest.

>> No.18082122

>>18081580
They were getting plowed by and assisting the male suitors who were disrespecting the rules of guest-friendship. Also, they were lazy.

>> No.18082128

>>18082091
Certainly not of his own volition. Now you are just finding random shit to accuse him of.

>> No.18082131

>>18082091
>t. Hungry for some beef.

>> No.18082163

>>18082128
Wasn’t he the one insisting on going onto (or approaching, whatever) that island full of giants that everyone else wanted to avoid?

>> No.18082186

>>18082163
And? It's not as if he killed them himself. What he did makes practical sense if you are lost at sea and need directions to your homeland.

>> No.18082239

>>18081580
Why do you think it was bad?

>> No.18082265

Does anyone else find it strange that lefties think that all human behavior can be explained by peer pressure?

>> No.18082275

>>18081580
Why would you let a bunch of womanlets bully your faithful wife and brave son? They're lucky he killed them.

>> No.18082276

>>18081580
I liked Odyssey but that scene with some others at the end were very disgusting.

I would be pissed too if my home is turned into a public shithole (it actually happened to me last year), but kill everyone is not going to solve anything, just demand or force everyone to leave.

However, that's due the mentality of males during that age as >>18081642
says.

>> No.18082295

>>18082104
Based

>> No.18082299

>>18082186
>It's not as if he killed them himself
No, but his decision got them killed, and he kept doing shit like that.

>> No.18082305

>>18082091
Damn anon you gay

>> No.18082321

>>18082275
I can't remember it that well but yeah I believe it was something along these lines that they aided the suitors
>>18082276
>kill everyone is not going to solve anything, just demand or force everyone to leave.
you don't have that same option he did.

>> No.18082325

>>18081642
Stop pretending to be me.

>> No.18082330

>>18082276
>but kill everyone is not going to solve anything, just demand or force everyone to leave

Are you aware that it did, in fact, solve everything?
Are you aware if he had told them to leave they would conspire against him and kill him?
Are you aware that there was no police force?
Are you aware that they didn't have cellphones?
Are you aware that there was no internet to track them?

Also,
>mentality of males

Then why didn't Penelope complain about it or abandon Odysseus in protest against his acts?
Women were also pro-war. You're talking as if women back then were contemporary A**rican feminists.

>> No.18082336

>>18082305
u wish

>> No.18082343

>>18082091
They killed the cattle of the Helios. What could Odysseus have done?

>> No.18082378

>>18082330
Odyssey is fictional, my dude. Do you think war and killing is as "epic" as this work shows it?

Also I was pointing out what Odysseus did from my modern point of view, but it is understandable considering the times when Odyssey was written.

You are right about Penelope though. My mistake.

>> No.18082384

>>18082343
They also ate that cyclops' food without his permission.

>> No.18082409

>>18082384
In a age of war and dispair, you have to do dishonorable acts to survive. Including stealing someones food.

>> No.18082433

>>18081642
As my posting here becomes less and less frequent, I have lost track of how many trips circulate with this symbol; however, to whomever vomited this post, I must say I am amazed that you have not forgot how to breathe and consequently choked to death. If you are the true butterfly, aren't you 40? What the fuck have you been doing for all these years? I pray that anyone committed to searching for truth would not post such banal, offensively low quality things. As if your analysis of Greek society in classical antiquity wasn't insulting enough, how have you managed to get this far in life without learning about political philosophy?

>> No.18082445

>>18081580
They went along with the suitors who ran amok on his estate, basically eating him out of house and home and showing little regard for their master in the process

>> No.18082452

>>18082343
Didn’t mean that part

>> No.18082456

>>18082378
>Odyssey is fictional, my dude. Do you think war and killing is as "epic" as this work shows it?
The Odyssey presents a pretty antiwar message. Odysseus discovers that Agamemnon was killed by his wife, everyone he meets in the underworld is miserable, Achilles wishes he could see his son again. All of this because some guy gave an apple to someone's wife.
>my dude
Disgusting

>> No.18082475

>>18082456
Okey. Sorry for not understanding Odyssey... my dude.

>> No.18082495

>>18082433
Low quality bait. I’m the only one backing up what I’ve said with a whole damn book. You even read it? W/e, who cares. Undeserved (You)

>> No.18082534

>>18081642
>The mentality of males in this age.

People don't really understand how alien the thoughts of the ancients were. They were nothing like us in any shape or form. Killing came naturally to them and their morality was nothing like our own.

>> No.18082571

>>18082299
Your retarded jesus christ.

>> No.18082624

>>18082571
>calling someone retard
>"Your retard"

Great.

>> No.18082625

>>18082475
You better be, if you know what's good for you...

>> No.18082641

>>18082624
"Odysseus is the bad guy for having them go to the nearest island."

This is you.

>> No.18082645

>>18081580
they were collaborators. Just as guilty as the suitors. Why shouldn’t he have killed them as he killed the others?

>> No.18082746

>>18082534
The basic “patriarchal” mindset is still very much alive despite the general derision of monarchy. The business world is still stuck in the feudal scheme for no good reason. We claim to have ended slavery, but we have several different varieties still being practiced today right under people’s noses and everybody thinks it’s just normal and natural.
No, it’s startlingly similar, from my way of thinking.

>>18082571
His retarded Jesus Christ?

>> No.18083033

>>18082456
>The Odyssey presents a pretty antiwar message
people say this about this book and the Iliad aswell and while I think that it is a valid interpretation, I also think this is our modern biases talking a bit. Just because the book shows the difficulties of war doesn't mean it was meant to be an anti-war book.
>>18082534
while I won't claim to understand the true thoughts of the ancients I don't think they are as far off from our own as you are suggesting, there are still first world counties that practice the death penalty as part of their justice system and engage in wars.

>> No.18083260

>>18083033
>people say this about this book and the Iliad aswell and while I think that it is a valid interpretation, I also think this is our modern biases talking a bit. Just because the book shows the difficulties of war doesn't mean it was meant to be an anti-war book

damn, you based anon