/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18057200]

What's the KJV equivalent of the Koran?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18057224]

>>18057200
No translations of it are allowed. So any translation or just the one in English

[Anonymous No.18057225]

i'd like to know also

[Anonymous No.18057240]

>>18057224
>No translations of it are allowed.
Why?

[Anonymous No.18057306]

>>18057240
Prevent corruption or distortion

[Anonymous No.18057315]

>>18057306
It also prevents expansion.

[Anonymous No.18057319]

>>18057240
Muslims believe that Allah gave Mohammed the Qur'an in the Arabic he spoke and that he recorded it word for word unaltered from God's own words. That's why many Muslims learn Classical arabic to recite the Qur'an, it is the unchanged exact sequence of words that God gave to Mohamed.

[Anonymous No.18057328]

>>18057200
Pickthall translation you'll probably appreciate.
>>18057224
A translation is not the Qur'an per say but it can be a translation of the meanings of the Qur'an.

[Anonymous No.18057353]

>>18057319
That's honestly the best take on a sacred text.

[Anonymous No.18057359]

Why does /lit/ pretend KJV is even passable as a translation?

[Anonymous No.18057367]

>>18057319
This also leads to some pretty whacky pseudolinguistics from the Islamic world about how Arabic was the first language ever because the Qur'an is uncreated etc.

[Anonymous No.18057368]

>>18057359
What's wrong with the KJV?

[Anonymous No.18057372]

>>18057359
It's mighty and iconic. It truly feels like the words of God himself.

[Anonymous No.18057386]

>>18057353
>God is so autistic that his ideas can't be translated because they are ridiculously specific and tailored to one goatfucker language.
Yeah. Great take

[Anonymous No.18057391]

>>18057200
Imagine she is holding your peepee

[Anonymous No.18057392]

There is no version just the original or so.

[Anonymous No.18057402]

>>18057367
>pseudolinguistics
That's incredibly disingenuous.

The question is a good question as to the language or languages used by: Allah, Adam and Eve, the people of paradise. Maybe some others. It's certainly a theological question whether you personally care or think it's important or worth asking is neither here nor there.

[Anonymous No.18057405]

>>18057402
Come on, man.

[Anonymous No.18057408]

>>18057386
Anthropomorphic and racist, lmao get it together friendo

[Anonymous No.18057412]

>>18057359
Received opinion like pretty much everything /lit/ says.

[Anonymous No.18057417]

>>18057408
>racist
Nothing racist there, thin-skinned.

[Anonymous No.18057422]

>>18057200

[Anonymous No.18057424]

>>18057200
Laleh Bakhtiar's translation is the worst
>n her Quran translation, she translates kāfirūn as "those who are ungrateful" instead of the common translations "unbelievers" or "infidels". She also translates the Arabic word ḍaraba in Chapter 4, Verse 34, concerning treatment of a husband towards a rebellious wife, as "go away" instead of the common "beat" or "hit".[12] The English words "God" and "Mary" are used instead of the Arabic Allāh and Maryam. Bakhtiar believed these translations will not push non-Muslims away from Islam.[6]

[Anonymous No.18057428]

>>18057424
>>18057422
Any thoughts on the Rodwell translation?

[Anonymous No.18057438]

>>18057417
Referring to Arabic as a goatfucker language isn't racist? I disagree. If you're racist you should own it, if you're joking you should try to be more original or at least work on your timing.

[Anonymous No.18057443]

>>18057368
Among many other issues, 1 John 5:7-8 especially comes to mind

[Anonymous No.18057447]

>>18057438
That's banter, not racism. Tell where it's said they're inferior.

[Anonymous No.18057452]

>>18057443
Care to elaborate?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18057453]

>>18057240
“Haram” God is an Arab according to mumomhad (pictured)

[Anonymous No.18057455]

>>18057438
Arabic is a chicken bone stuck in the gullet language. It sounds hideous and at best like baa-ing of sheep

[Anonymous No.18057458]

>>18057453
What's your issue with Islam? You seem to have a hate boner for it but in a passive-aggressive way.

[Anonymous No.18057465]

>>18057455
Still better than American English.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18057466]

>>18057458
Disrespect isn’t so hateful

[Anonymous No.18057475]

>>18057447
That anon was right, you should either own it or be more original.

[Anonymous No.18057476]

>>18057475
No. False dichotomy.

[Anonymous No.18057485]

>>18057466
But it's still passive-aggressive which indicates a bigger emotion.

[Anonymous No.18057519]

>>18057476
It isn't a false dichotomy, that is merely advice on how to present as less embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.18057530]

>>18057519
It is definitely a false dichotomy. And racism is a meme.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18057536]

>>18057485
Religion makes people stupid and encourages violence among them. I dislike this and wish for better people

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18057548]

>>18057485
meant to add that bigger emotion behind it is love

[Anonymous No.18057550]

>>18057408
Wtf is anthropomorphic about that?

[Anonymous No.18057552]

>>18057536
Sounds like a very silly reason to dislike religion. Violence is based. Secular humanism is cringe.

[Anonymous No.18057556]

>>18057530
nigga you don't know what a false dichotomy is do you

[Anonymous No.18057558]

>>18057556
>nigga
dasraycist.gif

[Anonymous No.18057561]

>>18057386
If you could speak more than one language you'd understand an idea as basic as that one

[Anonymous No.18057568]

Why are Moslims so sensitive?

[Anonymous No.18057578]

>>18057558
>n-no it's j-just banter i'm not racist i promise haha i have black friends

[Anonymous No.18057580]

>>18057578
>strawman

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18057582]

>>18057552
Well, you’re a degenerate. No surprises there.

[Anonymous No.18057595]

>>18057319
aren't there a multitude of different quran manuscripts with their own variations? I stumbled upon that on wikipedia a long time ago

[Anonymous No.18057603]

>>18057582
I'm not Marxist, so I'm far from degeneracy.

[Anonymous No.18057618]

>>18057561
Nah I understand the difficulty in translating ideas between languages. I just think that an omnipotent God shouldn't be subject to that limitation.

[Anonymous No.18057620]

>>18057536
>>18057548
You will never be as pretty as her. Even in your prime, you were less than her right shoulder, and now, everyday, you age more and more ugly.

[Anonymous No.18057622]

>>18057580
why is half of every exchange with rightoids them trying to cope by throwing accusations of logical fallacies as if they have any idea what they mean? go back to your ben shapiro compilations

[Anonymous No.18057627]

>>18057550
Autism is a human attribute. Don't even bother replying, I'm going to be on vidya.

[Anonymous No.18057632]

>>18057578
I don't have black friends and I don't care if you call me racist. Your religion is a heap of shite

[Anonymous No.18057636]

>>18057622
>ad hominem

[Anonymous No.18057640]

>>18057536
LOL im not even a believer but come on with these generic "15 year old rebel on r/atheism" tier takes. yes because the end of religion has really enlightened the masses lmao the entire western world is a crumbling decadent shithole because people gave up their religion-motivated values for pleasure, opening them up to be relentlessly exploited and controlled by capitalism

[Anonymous No.18057642]

>>18057627
So is language, you fucking handicap

[Anonymous No.18057644]

>>18057632
I don't care nigga im just bullying you because you're a retard gtfo fuck out of here with your stupid fucken ben shapiro schtick

[Anonymous No.18057645]

>>18057632
You will submit to Allah or perish.

[Anonymous No.18057648]

>>18057642
>So is language
Not really.
xoxo
>>18057644
stfu stupid nigger lol

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18057649]

>>18057603
> Violence is based. Secular humanism is cringe.
This is degeneracy.

[Anonymous No.18057656]

>>18057644
You're not bullying me pal, don't worry. I don't know or follow Ben Shapiro, so Im not sure where you are getting that from

>>18057645
Don't think so.

[Anonymous No.18057662]

>>18057649
It's quite the opposite of degeneracy. Degenerate means: having declined or become less specialized (as in nature, character, structure, or function) from an ancestral or former state. Secular humanism IS degenerate.

[Anonymous No.18057672]

>>18057656
>Don't think so.
It's the only way to save the West. Trust me. Atheists are degenrate faggots. Christians are starting to become that as wel, there's now trans pastors and faggotry is encouraged.

[Anonymous No.18057674]

>>18057656
>>18057648
hahahahaha cope more nigga spoken like a true loser getting bullied. you sound just like the tards i bullied in high school

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18057675]

>>18057640
>the entire western world is a crumbling decadent shithole because people gave up their religion-motivated values for pleasure
Citation missing, lad. Accusing me of immaturity while not knowing shit about why the world is in such a mess? Pshh. Would you even read what I recommend? Probably not.

>>18057662
100% wrong. You are sick in the head. Don’t even try to rationalize it, you oafish male pervert.

[Anonymous No.18057682]

>>18057200
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.18057684]

>>18057674
Sounds like cope. YOU sound like the resentful niggers I bullied in high school. They all cried after me and my buddies call them the magic 6-letter word lol

[Anonymous No.18057686]

>>18057675
You sound too emotional. I'm sorry the truth hurts. Secular humanism is the degenerate outlook.

[Anonymous No.18057690]

>>18057675
>Accusing me of immaturity while not knowing shit about why the world is in such a mess?
this should be good, lets here it, why is the world in such a mess if not the decline of motivation through moral values opening society up to being exploited by pleasure and profit motive

[Anonymous No.18057694]

>>18057684
>n-no YOU are getting bullied
>mom said you're just jealous of me
hahahahahhahahaha

[Anonymous No.18057696]

>>18057240
No Holy Spirit, ie no gift for languages.

[Anonymous No.18057705]

>>18057674
Lmao. Ok man. You're bullying me badly. Post body and let us see what I should be trembling about

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18057710]

>>18057690
Well if you’re anything like the other degenerate ITT, you won’t see a problem where there is a problem. (War, poverty). You seem to be laser focused on sex issues again.

[Anonymous No.18057711]

>>18057672
Eh, I agree that those are problems.i just don't see Islam as the solution

[Anonymous No.18057713]

>>18057705
nigga you're gay as well??? you make this too easy hahahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.18057722]

>>18057713
Yeh I wanna creampie a nigger twink like you

[Anonymous No.18057730]

>>18057645
I love you, Akhi. You're unironically based.

[Anonymous No.18057733]

>>18057722
you white boys all the same with your repressed faggot BBC fantasies aren't you hahahaha

[Anonymous No.18057743]

>>18057694
>nigger """banter""""
cringe. you were clearly bullied in high school.

[Anonymous No.18057753]

>>18057743
don't have a clue what you're talking about white boy, you sure you understand what's going on???

[Anonymous No.18057754]

>>18057743
You know how they used to bully me? They used to grab my ass. You ain't seen nothing kiddo

[Anonymous No.18057757]

>>18057733
nigger you brought faggotry into this thread

[Anonymous No.18057767]

>>18057710
lol im not asking you to cook up a straw man and attack it and im not "laser focused on sex issues" which are just one little piece of the puzzle.

[Anonymous No.18057777]

>>18057733
BWC in this case. Right in your black ass

[Anonymous No.18057785]

>>18057777
CHECKED

[Anonymous No.18057802]

>>18057777
>>18057757
fantasize to your heart's content niggas I'm gonna go fuck my white girl

[Anonymous No.18057812]

>>18057353
>>18057561
The major caveat is that while we can have perfect knowledge of what was pronounced we have limited knowledge of what was actually said because we don't have perfect knowledge of the language itself. The language of the Quran did not come from a highly literate society and we have only limited knowledge of its linguistics and few contemporary examples to compare the Quran to. The Arabic of the Quran was a really bad choice unless god just wanted to punish us. He could have chosen something like Latin and we'd have a much better time grappling with the linguistics.

>>18057777
Based

[Anonymous No.18057836]

>>18057802
>says the nigger, fantasizing to his heart's contents
kek nice meta joke

[Anonymous No.18057838]

>>18057802
What a sad life you must have, destroying something beautiful just because you're ugly on the inside.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18057843]

>>18057767
Okay. Gave the answer anyway.
State-capitalism. A mega system that grew in complexity and importance did replace religion during the revolutionary age, but where sciences illuminated what religion kept dark, the divine right of kings were replaced with the quasi-divine rights of laws. Lawyer’s fictions. Money corrupts everything, and even some science, it the motives to know the truth of things isn’t what’s wrong with the world. It’s the free for all pillaging of the earth and enslavement or the masses that the wealthy are up to.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18057853]

>>18057843
>it the
*its

[Anonymous No.18057919]

>>18057485
Your prophet fucked pigs

[Anonymous No.18057926]

>>18057843
>Money corrupts everything
>It’s the free for all pillaging of the earth and enslavement or the masses that the wealthy are up to.
...if only the masses were anchored by healthy functional moral philosophy that motivated them to act without being strung along solely by materialist profit motive and instant gratification that can and is currently being used by the wealthy to control them, sedate them and make them apathetic towards destructive levels of exploitation of themselves and nature, and drive them away from their own best interests, right?

[Anonymous No.18057929]

>>18057919
Hey Jesus was a virgin

[Anonymous No.18057947]

>>18057536
>>18057548

Bjork proceeds to open the TV and poke around at mechanisms she probably doesn't realize could kill her with a single shock. (Seriously, just watch the video).

[Anonymous No.18057982]

>>18057224
>>18057319
based. it used to be the same with the bible in latin, since jew language was completely inferior and shit. Too bad athats also teh cause the bible is shit, retarded jew writers
the more you translate something the more it looses it's meaning

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058006]

>>18057926
>...if only the masses were anchored by healthy functional moral philosophy that motivated them to obey without question their ruling class. That tried and “true” duo of priest and warlord
We tried this actually. It’s not ever going to get better.

> materialist profit motive
Funnily enough, the materialistic sorts, the shopaholics etc., are as spooked as any of the faithful. They’re lost in the illusory value of these things, not to forget the trappings of their state myths and symbols. That’s not actual materialist reality. Materialist socialists want to peel these things back. Let’s try living our lives with eyes wide open.

>>18057947
I own it on DVD. He dad was an electrician

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058016]

>>18058006
>He dad was an electrician
Her dad* drr

[Anonymous No.18058081]

>>18057649
You will never be as pretty as her. Even in your prime, you were less than her right shoulder, and now, everyday, you age more and more ugly.

[Anonymous No.18058101]

>>18057711
What would be your solution?

[Anonymous No.18058104]

>>18057424
>women being shit at translating

IMAGINE MY SHOCK

[Anonymous No.18058113]

>>18058006
and here we come to the crux of the issue. you start off with the asinine pretense that billions of people with their myriad of lived experiences and genetic predispositions will operate solely on logic and reason, and on the one hand you say to the people "live with your eyes wide open" and simply live based on their own materialist judgements in order to live their best lives, and in the other you espouse atheistic nihilism that tells them there is no objective moral values and there is no concrete motivator beyond simply beating them over the head with logic telling them what is in their own best interest

how could you possibly think that this could lead to your desired results? that things will "get better" through this illogical logic?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058183]

>>18058113
And here we go off the rails
>...and in the other you espouse atheistic nihilism that tells them there is no objective moral values and there is no concrete motivator beyond simply beating them over the head with logic telling them what is in their own best interest
Atheism is a life of not faith. Faith is a blindness to a dogma. Living with the eyes open is better because it is natural. A child’s curiosity should be continued throughout life. This word you throw around to hurt people with “nihilism” plagues your kind, not mine. The meaning of life is open and liquid. As frightening as that is, it is quite exciting. Watch out. Enjoy.

[Anonymous No.18058192]

>>18058183
Atheists are still religious, they just don't believe in a god or go to church. But they believe in progress and go to the movie theatre instead.

[Anonymous No.18058221]

>>18057428
No clue, best one I've seen is Pickthall

[Anonymous No.18058223]

>>18058192
Atheist follow the dogma of scientism.

[Anonymous No.18058232]

>>18058183
>Atheism is a life of not faith.
objectively incorrect, try again

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058241]

>>18058192
Not-religious isn’t a religion.
If they adopt DNC worship, or cop worship, or Hitler worship, or market worship, or Trotskyism, they’re following a pseudo-faith.
You mostly fear those who follow science, and sometimes a scientist can get a little dogmatic, but not all of them.

>>18058232
>Dispatched

[Anonymous No.18058251]

>>18058241
>>18058223

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058252]

>>18058223
>Also dispatched

[Anonymous No.18058261]

>>18058252
New Atheists in particular, do follow scientism and put their blind faith into it. Not saying all atheist are like that but many are.

[Anonymous No.18058266]

>>18058241
>Not-religious isn’t a religion.
Semantics. It works exactly the same because it's a need innate to the human experience. The laws of science are your bible, "experts" are your priests. You still believe in the same linear progression of history as the abrahamist faiths. Don't delude yourself, butterfag. You're not any different from a christian.

[Anonymous No.18058268]

>>18057319
IS islam the greatest destroyer of culture? seeing as it promotes transitioning the local language to arabic and wants for the very lingual nature of a place to conform, with even the last name changing to an arab one??

If so, based.

[Anonymous No.18058276]

>>18058241
holy shit are you really this dense? atheists still operate entirely on the basis of faith in certain ideas and principles and cook up their own dogmas based on them, unless you have some secret eldritch knowledge of the universe that no other human being in history has acquired, in which I implore you share it with all of us heathens

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058325]

>>18058261
There’s nothing new about atheism
This smear crusade has been nothing but an embarrassment for your fat-guys-in-hats collectors.

>>18058266
>We needs it preshussssss
Children don’t know it till poisoned heads corrupt them. I do without perfectly fine.
> The laws of science are your bible
No. The laws of nature. As for experts; I say, no gods, no master, no gurus.
>Atheism is a form of Protestantism!
No, that’s Satanism.

>>18058276
>Howwee shid! Why done you beliebe that anonymous guy I beliebe in?? Yoo stoopidd

[Anonymous No.18058329]

>>18057777
Based

[Anonymous No.18058344]

>>18058325
No, I meant New Atheism, which is a particular group with particular dogmas and leading figures.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058352]

>>18058344
There was nothing new about it except being proactive.

[Anonymous No.18058371]

>>18058325
>I do without perfectly fine.
You don't though, that's the entire point. You just refuse to accept you went from one faith to another by deluding yourself into thinking you're a special snowflake.
>No. The laws of nature. As for experts; I say, no gods, no master, no gurus.
And who codified those laws of nature? Or are you the pope of your non-faith, setting down the laws of nature for us mere mortals? Lmao.
>No, that’s Satanism.
Doesn't change what I said. You're just as religious as a christian, you just don't want to hear it because you've deluded yourself into thinking you've broken free when you've only dug yourself in deeper.

[Anonymous No.18058373]

>>18058352
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism

[Anonymous No.18058383]

>>18058325
>>Howwee shid! Why done you beliebe that anonymous guy I beliebe in?? Yoo stoopidd
how did you extrapolate this from what I said? on top of that, I literally already told you directly that I am not religious
you're literally just lashing out like a child because you cant refute the point i made
get some self awareness, holy shit

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>>18058371
>You don’t! I don’t consent!
>Don’t be unique! Jesus would be sad!
>Laws of nature had to come from the Prime Mover! Things can’t just exist! Only big daddy was around forevers!

[Anonymous No.18058469]

>>18058445
so you have faith in the idea that there is no prime mover and things just exist and you live by a set of principles, a dogma, based on that faith?

[Anonymous No.18058476]

>>18058445
So do you have any arguments or are you just going to keep throwing tantrums? How can you follow the laws of nature if you don't know what they are? And if you do, who codified them?
>Laws of nature had to come from the Prime Mover! Things can’t just exist! Only big daddy was around forevers!
That wasn't even the point I'm making. You still act like a religious person, you just don't adhere to a faith in the traditional sense. Your non-faith which is a faith still informs the way you experience the world around you, retard. You don't experience life in a vacuum if that's your point.

[Anonymous No.18058478]

>>18058445
Even for you this is pretty cringe ngl

[Anonymous No.18058494]

>>18057386
God could provide an English translation but it would be different to what a human translator would render

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058496]

>>18058383
Okay okay.
>holy shit
Sound very religious to me.
> atheists still operate entirely on the basis of faith in certain ideas and principles and cook up their own dogmas
I already explained this
>based
I know
>unless you have some secret eldritch knowledge of the universe that no other human being in history has acquired
>You can’t know nuffing!
Philosophy mud obscures what is plainly true

>>18058371
>Or are you the pope of your non-faith

[Anonymous No.18058499]

>>18058496
>I already explained this
no you didnt

[Anonymous No.18058502]

>>18058478
I'm making her ornery :3

I believe in God and she loves me so she sees this as some crusade against my belief.

[Anonymous No.18058504]

>>18058496
So you're a retard too thick to realize they're retarded? Alrighty then.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058515]

>>18058469
The observable universe is in all directions. How have you missed it?
Imagine a scientific journal coming out with the cover story “Sorry, We Don’t Actually Exist”
That’s a philosophy journal

>>18058478
>Don’t make fun of big daddy!
>Oh! You’re going to hell!

[Anonymous No.18058529]

>>18058515
You, as an agent, base the way you interact with that observable universe on your assumptions on how you as an agent are supposed to act. Where did you get those assumptions from? You didn't invent them yourself and since you're here being retarded, you're doing more than just observing (sadly).

[Anonymous No.18058539]

>>18058515
Just admit it: you want me :3

[Anonymous No.18058543]

>>18058515
That guy got you pretty good. Usually you at least try to present something barely resembling an argument but this time, nothing but nonsense, whining and strawman-like caricaturizing. Just take the L and move on.

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>>18058499
> Not-religious isn’t a religion.
>If they adopt DNC worship, or cop worship, or Hitler worship, or market worship, or Trotskyism, they’re following a pseudo-faith.
>You mostly fear those who follow science, and sometimes a scientist can get a little dogmatic, but not all of them.

>>18058502
Retarded.

>>18058504
Remember Socrates famous line?

[Anonymous No.18058554]

>>18058515
>The observable universe is in all directions. How have you missed it?
>Imagine a scientific journal coming out with the cover story “Sorry, We Don’t Actually Exist”
>That’s a philosophy journal

literally none of this addresses the fact that your conclusion that the universe exists without any prime mover is entirely faith based and a conclusion that cannot be proven objectively with the scientific method. what the hell were you thinking posting this childish fit? methinks you weren't thinking at all

[Anonymous No.18058556]

>>18058547
Address this >>18058476
>How can you follow the laws of nature if you don't know what they are? And if you do, who codified them?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058557]

>>18058529
>Where did you get those assumptions from?

[Anonymous No.18058564]

>>18058006
>>18058016
I don't know what's sadder: thinking that's a retort, bragging about owning the DVD, or simping hard enough to know her father's profession

[Anonymous No.18058565]

>>18058557
So no answer? You admit you act on faith? Alright, I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.18058566]

>>18058547
thats not an explanation though, atheism is still a faith based conclusion about the nature of the universe

[Anonymous No.18058611]

>>18058547
what about anarchism worship?

[Anonymous No.18058612]

Guys, we broke her lol

[Anonymous No.18058618]

>>18058547
Ornery :3

Please recognize you've gotten more severe lately after I said I was religious.

You.
Want.
My.
Something.

[Anonymous No.18058624]

>>18058612
Yep, Butterfag BTFOd hard

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058646]

>>18058543
>that guy
Don’t pretend it wasn’t you. I am indeed fine, never better in fact. Someone’s done quite a headjob on your noggin.

>>18058554
You too. Too much of the wrong philosophy, or just no teacher to warn you against falling into dangerous faith traps?

>>18058556
We know quite a lot about nature. Learning more all the time.
>You’re still faithful even though you’re not
In no way is the sight of a green leaf a faith driven proposition. Get your head out of your ass.

>>18058564
I like the Sugarcubes and Björk knows not to touch certain parts of those old teles

>>18058611
You don’t know anything about it. Read Stirner

>>18058566
It isn’t faith. A fucking octopus god can visit us tomorrow and raise Lovecraft from the dead and bitch him out for his writings and send him back to the grave and fly off, the atheist is perfectly vindicated in her life

[Anonymous No.18058657]

>>18058646
See
>>18058618

[Anonymous No.18058662]

>>18058646
>Don’t pretend it wasn’t you. I am indeed fine, never better in fact. Someone’s done quite a headjob on your noggin.
You sound petty and unhinged. Take your meds and have sex.

[Anonymous No.18058665]

>>18057200
>Koran
there is no adequate translation of the Koran, they're *all* retarded. islam is mostly an erroneous false religion, a corrupted heretical pastiche of the hebrew bible and new testament. read Cristoph Luxenberg, fucking retard.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058671]

>>18058662
>Take your meds and have sex.
I WISH! Fucking covid

[Anonymous No.18058675]

>>18058646
>We know quite a lot about nature. Learning more all the time.
Who is this we you speak of? Have you checked their assertions yourself? Or are you acting on faith that what your experts (read:priests) tell you is correct?
>In no way is the sight of a green leaf a faith driven proposition. Get your head out of your ass.
That's not what is meant by the laws of nature, you absolute retard.

[Anonymous No.18058681]

>>18058671
See
>>18058618

[Anonymous No.18058684]

>>18058646
>It isn’t faith
you've literally drawn a conclusion that cannot in any way be substantiated, that is literally what faith is

[Anonymous No.18058683]

>>18058665
Relax, Scholomo. Don't need to get all faggy that they took your meme texts and made them better.

[Anonymous No.18058700]

ITT: Butterfag BTFOd again

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058711]

>>18058700
Where? Not once

[Anonymous No.18058720]

>>18058683
im not jewish fucktard hebrew bible is just the correct name for what Christians call the old testament.

[Anonymous No.18058725]

>>18058711
twice at least, but pretty much this entire discussion since you keep making assumptions based on faith while arguing you don't do that
>>18058675
>>18058684

[Anonymous No.18058729]

>>18058711
see
>>18058684

[Anonymous No.18058730]

>>18058720
>hebrew bible
You mean the Old Testament?

[Anonymous No.18058731]

>>18058711
*sticks it in your face*

She likes this, everyone. She lets it happen and plays around with it a little.

*pushes it into your cheek*

:3

[Anonymous No.18058769]

Butterfag BTFOd yet again

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058770]

>>18058675
>Who is this we you speak of?
Apparently you don’t keep up, so not you. Did you want a periodical recommendation?
> That's not what is meant by the laws of nature
You don’t know why we see green leaves?
>>>/sci/

>>18058725
So, you have faith that I have faith and that anything anyone observes to be true is automatically a religion. Really odd religion you have there. Stay away from me.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058776]

>>18058769
Where though? No one’s linking it...

[Anonymous No.18058778]

>>18058770
Thank you for playing with it :3

[Anonymous No.18058781]

>>18057224
I wish I could contact you. I’m from biz making this crypto bread and want to learn lit badly. Do you have a burner email or discord to chat in?

t. not a fed

[Anonymous No.18058785]

>>18058770
>Did you want a periodical recommendation?
Yes, I thought you didn't adhere to what experts/priests had to say? Man this dead horse keeps begging for a beating.
>So, you have faith that I have faith and that anything anyone observes to be true is automatically a religion. Really odd religion you have there. Stay away from me.
No, I never denied having faith. You're the one being delusional. You probably think you're being smart for arguing ironically but you're just proving you're a retard.

[Anonymous No.18058791]

>>18058776
This entire thread, every of your answers because you keep contradicting yourself

[Anonymous No.18058795]

>>18058646
>You don’t know anything about it
Actually i know quite a bit about it from you, from your words, it is an idea that a self governing society free of "unjustifiable hierarchies" can be manifested based entirely on faith in the principle that the trillions of variables required to make it manifest will do so by virtue of human cooperation on the scale of billions motivated by nothing but the power of compassion and logic on the part of those billions of participants

[Anonymous No.18058796]

>>18058770
Have you replicated their assertions about nature to see if they are true? Or do you accept what they say on faith?

[Anonymous No.18058801]

>>18058776
well two people linked examples here in response to this post
>>18058711

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058816]

>>18058785
>I thought you didn't adhere to what experts/priests had to say
If I’m in the desert and I see with my eyes water on the horizon, I move towards it. Do I find it is a mirage or do I find an oasis?
None of this is religion.

> You probably think you're being smart
You’re probably thinking you’re smart for your academic language that I guess I’m just not catching onto.

[Anonymous No.18058837]

>>18058816
>If I’m in the desert and I see with my eyes water on the horizon, I move towards it. Do I find it is a mirage or do I find an oasis?
That's not an answer but gobbledygook. Do you blindly accept what your experts/priests say or do you find out for every claim they make whether it's true? Answer the question.
>You’re probably thinking you’re smart for your academic language that I guess I’m just not catching onto.
I'm not even usiing academic language, what are you talking about.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058838]

>>18058791
Life is funny that way

>>18058801
Didn’t

[Anonymous No.18058840]

>>18058816
Thank you for abiding with it :3

[Anonymous No.18058845]

>>18058838
Its funny how accurately that image describes butterfag

[Anonymous No.18058846]

>>18058816
>i really dont care!
>angrily posts 100 times with no actual argument, just a bunch of insults and contradictory statements that prove the points made by those you are debating

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058862]

>>18058837
What do YOU make of quantum mechanics?

> I'm not even usiing academic language
I just mean we don’t seem to be speaking the same language. I don’t study philosophy

[Anonymous No.18058865]

>>18058862
Suck on it a little now :3

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058874]

>>18058845
I guess you missed the part where I mentioned being atheist. See, we’re free to change our minds.

>>18058846
Not angry. Getting bored though.

[Anonymous No.18058876]

>>18058862
>What do YOU make of quantum mechanics?
Nothing, but I'm not the one claiming to not make faith based assumptions about the world. I know I do.
Now answer the question:
>Do you blindly accept what your experts/priests say or do you find out for every claim they make whether it's true?
Well?
>I just mean we don’t seem to be speaking the same language. I don’t study philosophy
Neither do I, I just seem to have a working brain. It's not hard to understand.

[Anonymous No.18058878]

>>18058874
see
>>18058865

[Anonymous No.18058879]

>>18058838
oh they didnt? does that mean you are prepared to show objective proof that atheism is a correct conclusion about the nature of the universe, thus refuting the assertion that atheism is a faith based conclusion? by all means lets see it! you're going to completely and utterly change human history in a way that surpasses the utilization of fire, the wheel, and agriculture! exciting stuff, man

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058882]

>>18058865
*fires*

[Anonymous No.18058887]

>>18058874
But atheism is a faith too, we've already established that. You're totally convinced of your own correctness while constantly contradicting yourself, thus making you totally stupid.

[Anonymous No.18058898]

>>18058874
Looks like all atheists follow the same dogma of "changing their minds" according to what their priests say. Very similar to religion.

[Anonymous No.18058903]

>ctrl-f Arberry
>literally no results
What could you all have possible been discussing for 174 replies??? Come on /lit/, I thought you were actually well read. There is literally one answer to this question, and it's so obvious that it hurts. Arthur Arberry's Quran is considered even by Muslims to be the KJV of the Quran. Just read it.
>muh Quran can't be translated
Ok, but the KJV was a bible translation into english, so the KJV equivalent of the Quran must also be a translation. It doesn't matter if the Quran isn't supposed to be translated, as long as there is an English version which approximates the old fashioned fire-and-Brimstone KJV style.

[Anonymous No.18058908]

>>18058882
Don't act like the last two pictures you posted weren't you kind of being okay with it being in your cheek :3

[Anonymous No.18058909]

>>18058874
>Not angry. Getting BTFOd though.
There, fixed it for you

[Anonymous No.18058913]

>>18058903
By far the most literary translation too

[Anonymous No.18058914]

>>18058903
Any thoughts on Rodwell's translation? I believe it's from the 19th century and written in a KJV-like English. See: >>>18056613

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058923]

>>18058876
Oh. You suffer male-dome

>>18058879
Atheism isn’t a faith to be correct about. It’s the default setting one starts with and it’s nice to be as free. Almost gives a youthful feeling...

>>18058887
Your brain is damaged. There’s been no contradictions.

>>18058898
Nature is fuzzy that way. Swim.

>>18058909
Haven’t

[Anonymous No.18058937]

>>18058923
Answer the question:
>Do you blindly accept what your experts/priests say or do you find out for every claim they make whether it's true?
>>18058923
>There’s been no contradictions.
All over the place, such as the one above.

[Anonymous No.18058943]

>>18058923
>still not answering the questions
kek embarrassing. This is your worst post so far.

[Anonymous No.18058947]

>>18058923
>Atheism isn’t a faith to be correct about. It’s the default setting one starts with and it’s nice to be as free. Almost gives a youthful feeling...
Can you prove that or is that just an assumption?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18058955]

>>18058947
An observation

[Anonymous No.18058956]

>>18058923
>Oh. You suffer male-dome
Sneed's

>Atheism isn’t a faith to be correct about. It’s the default setting one starts with and it’s nice to be as free. Almost gives a youthful feeling...
Feed

>Your brain is damaged. There’s been no contradictions.
And

>Nature is fuzzy that way. Swim.
Seed,

>Haven’t
Formerly

>An observation
Chuck's

[Anonymous No.18058963]

>>18058955
How do you know that observation is correct? Or is it just a figment of your imagination?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.18058967]

>>18058862
>I don’t study philosophy
Why do people communicate with this person, again?

[Anonymous No.18058973]

>>18058923

[Anonymous No.18058980]

>>18058923
>Atheism isn’t a faith to be correct about
this is objectively incorrect though, atheism is a rejection of the assertions of theism, aka rejection of the belief in god or gods
the rejection of the belief in god or gods is a conclusion, and more specifically, a conclusion that cannot actually be substantiated (unless, once again, you are here to prove it)
since you have no objective proof that there is no god or gods, you are simply following circumstantial evidence which leads you to have faith in that conclusion

[Anonymous No.18058989]

>>18058923
>>18058937
Well?
>Do you blindly accept what your experts/priests say or do you find out for every claim they make whether it's true?

[Anonymous No.18059009]

>>18058955
>An observation

this is you:
>i heard with my own ears that the defendant said he hated the victim, there for I know for a fact that they killed them

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059011]

>>18058963
Try accepting the absence of creator gods for a few decades.
A d remembering what it was like before so e old schizo told you a story about one of them.

>>18058980
No.

>>18058989
Read the thread. Quit badgering me when you know you won’t listen pit of spite.
The anonymous nowadays are worse than ever. Glyphosate poisoning I guess. Actually sad.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059020]

>>18058973
Dumb macro. Says nothing

>>18059009
No.

[Anonymous No.18059021]

>>18059011
>No.
ok, lets here your argument then

[Anonymous No.18059022]

>>18059011
>Try accepting the absence of creator gods for a few decades.
I did, I was raised "atheist" and I still am to some extent, but I also accept that I'm still "religious" in the sense that I live life based on faith in that atheism. I can never prove it.

[Anonymous No.18059025]

>>18059011
>Read the thread. Quit badgering me when you know you won’t listen pit of spite.
You haven't answered the question you insufferable retard. You only aksed if I wanted a periodical. Well, answer the question or give me one, faggot.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059027]

>>18059011
>A d
And
>so e
Some
>pit
Out

Wtf

[Anonymous No.18059034]

>>18059011
>>18059020
>no
Actually a brainlet kek

[Anonymous No.18059039]

>>18059011
What's your biggest life accomplishment? 4chan celebrity? Literary Chris Chan?

[Anonymous No.18059043]

>>18059011
>No.
post objective proof that there is no prime mover then, if you cannot post objective proof that there is not prime mover, then your assertion that there is no prime mover is objectively by definition a faith-based conclusion

[Anonymous No.18059049]

>>18059027
youre getting stressed out which is likely causing you to type too fast

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059051]

>>18059022
Believing in the time of day, the colour of the leaves, that potatoes are addictive, your mother’s love even, is NOT religion


>>18059025
Who are you?

[Anonymous No.18059055]

>>18059027
I think you know what's going on ;3

[Anonymous No.18059059]

can I get a review of all the translations

[Anonymous No.18059064]

>>18059027
You are unhinged and typing too rapidly. That's what's happening.

[Anonymous No.18059073]

>>18057536
Inshallah you will receive a receive a rooftop physics lesson

[Anonymous No.18059076]

>>18059051
the time of day is based on the rotation of the earth, and you can objectively prove the time of day by measuring the rotation of the earth, thus the time of day is not a faith based conclusion. the assertion that there is no prime mover, or that there is one, cannot be objectively proven or measured, and are thus faith based conclusions

[Anonymous No.18059079]

>>18059051
>Believing in the time of day, the colour of the leaves, that potatoes are addictive, your mother’s love even, is NOT religion
Believing that there is no prime mover is akin to a religion, genius. It's not technically a religion but the faith you assume works exactly the same. You cannot prove it.

[Anonymous No.18059087]

>>18059051
>Who are you?
You still haven't answered the question, faggot. I'm the one who keeps asking you
>Do you blindly accept what your experts/priests say or do you find out for every claim they make whether it's true?
And you still haven't given an answer because you can't, it would undermine your entire position. Prove me wrong.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059115]

>>18059076
The odds that a myth has just as much credibility as the observed universe are ridiculous to even consider at this point

>>18059079
We prove your myths wrong daily. You are wrong. The only chance that there is a creator god it would have to be currently unknown.

>>18059087
Faggot what?
> Do you blindly accept what your experts/priests say or do
ALREADY ANSWERED.

[Anonymous No.18059117]

>>18059051
Thinking that your observations are infallible truths is based on faith. Why do you think that?

[Anonymous No.18059130]

>>18059115
>We prove your myths wrong daily.
Who is we? Have you replicated their assertions to see if they are right or do you believe them on faith?
>The only chance that there is a creator god it would have to be currently unknown.
What do you base this on? Except from faith of course.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059134]

>>18059117
No wonder you people are all suicidal and paralyzed.

Should be a disclaimer on Start with the Greeks to not read their philosophers

[Anonymous No.18059137]

>>18059115
>ALREADY ANSWERED.
No you haven't, or is your answer that you do? Fine then, I accept your concession, you're just like a religious person. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.18059145]

>>18059134
You haven't answered my question. Why do you assume your observations are infallible? How do you know your senses don't deceive you?
If your answer is "science has proven it" you've just shown you blindly accept what your scientists/priests tell you.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059154]

>Seeing, hearing, thinking, anything means God. sa
—Anonymous

Fools

[Anonymous No.18059156]

>>18059115
>has just as much credibility
now you are beginning to understand. theism and atheism do in fact have equal credibility, that is what everyone in this thread is telling you, both conclusions are held up by an amalgamation of logic and circumstantial evidence (this is where you get your "odds" from) as wall as faith (this is where you apply those" odds" to come to a conclusion)

if you dont understand this now then you are hopelessly insufficient in your ability to reason

[Anonymous No.18059159]

>>18059154
Did we break the butterfag?

[Anonymous No.18059160]

>>18059154
>sa
God, you're so nervous that you can't even type lol embarassing even for you.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059178]

>>18059159
No. I discovered why you’re all broken.

>>18059160
New meme. It means “simple as” as in “simple as that”

[Anonymous No.18059190]

>>18059178
You're the one that can't do simple logical reasoning but we're all broken? Alright then, I think we solved it boys.

[Anonymous No.18059207]

>>18059178
Did you have a bad day or whatever? Need any money for food? You sound like you're in a very bad shape.

[Anonymous No.18059208]

>>18059154
>>18059178
You totally missed the point. It's not that everything is god or a religion, but that the assumptions you base your "atheism" off work exactly the same as that of any religion. Technically they're different, functionally they're not.

[Anonymous No.18059237]

>>18057777
My god

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059269]

>>18059190
You’re the ones that think the observable world is faith based or an illusion and that logic leads to negation of life. You are crippled.

>>18059207
I already answered that I was doing fine and dandy, not even mad.

>>18059208
It does NOT.
>Technically they're different
>functionally they’re not.
I paused. I see why you’re coming off as such an idiot while thinking me one. Stupid categories like I thought and mentioned above already.
Boring boring boring.

[Anonymous No.18059279]

>>18059269
>It does NOT.
see
>>18059156

[Anonymous No.18059297]

>>18059269
>You’re the ones that think the observable world is faith based or an illusion and that logic leads to negation of life. You are crippled.
That's not the point at all, retard. Your assumptions based on how you interact with that observable world are faith based, retard.

[Anonymous No.18059309]

>>18059269
>It does NOT.
Yes it does, you've constantly proved it throughout this thread and when people ask you to disprove it you just spout snarky one liners back.
Fact is you're no different from christians except they believe in god and you believe in nature. They believe in the bible and you believe in scientific journals. The effect is the same, but you have this narrow view of faith based on religions of the book which says more about you than about the others here.

[Anonymous No.18059311]

>>18059269
why do you just keep saying "it does not" without substantiating your position in any way? the fact that you believe there is no god is literally no different than believing there is a god, both are conclusions no one can prove, and thus the people who rest in either category are making a leap of faith in their belief in the nature of the universe

if youre trying go the " i believe in science" route then you would be an agnostic not an atheist because the only conclusion the science can make about the theism and atheism debate is that there is no objectively correct answer we could give either way

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059316]

>>18059297
>how you interact with that observable world are faith based, retard.
You’re full of shit

[Anonymous No.18059321]

>>18059269
>I already answered that I was doing fine and dandy, not even mad.
>>18059316
You sound angry. Need to cum?

[Anonymous No.18059328]

>>18059316
youre full of shit, you keep saying that atheism is correct but wont give objective proof that there is no god, objectively making your position a leap of faith, then directly after you make that leap of faith, you claim there is no leap of faith made. YOU. ARE. FULL. OF SHIT, simple as!

[Anonymous No.18059339]

>>18059316
>You’re full of shit
Now you're just projecting. Why don't you eat your own shit? Because you've accepted on faith that it will probably taste bad because it smells bad, and nobody else seems to do it. You've not deduced it from actually tasting it and going "hmm , maybe that wasn't such a good idea."

[Anonymous No.18059400]

Butterfag BTFOd

[Anonymous No.18059415]

Butters, you haven't solved the perennial philosophical problem of foundationalism. Whether you like it or not, your epistemology takes the form of a leap of faith, just like any other, whether it be explicitly institutionalised or otherwise. Schoolyard opinions such as yours arise from a neglect of the study of the basics. A suggest you drop the political pamphlets and pick up the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.18059430]

>>18057536
>>18057548
I'm beginning to feel that the only true constant in life is how horrible your posts are.

[Anonymous No.18059543]

>>18057200
Sufism

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059587]

>>18059415
>Butters, you haven't solved the perennial philosophical problem of foundationalism
Oh good.
>faith
No.
> a neglect of the study of the basics.
No wonder I’m sane.
>Suggests disappearing into the pointless inanities of unsolvable philosophical quarries

>>18059430
>unironic supporter of scientific socialism

[Anonymous No.18059609]

>>18059587
>No.
prove it then

[Anonymous No.18059621]

>>18059587
if your atheistic beliefs are not based on faith then prove there is no god. its seriously that simple.

its literally just down to this, either you prove objectively that there is no god, or your atheistic beliefs are in fact a leap of faith

[Anonymous No.18059647]

>>18059587
>unsolvable philosophical quarries
like the question of atheism?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059663]

>>18059609
The green of a leaf is obvious
The existence of a creator god is not. In fact it’s provably an old myth.
If science comes out and tells us leaves are actually blue and our eyes aren’t seeing it right and they give some reason, it’s just a great big “huh, what do you know about that” moment.
Same kind of huh moment if the Hubble telescope finds an unexplainable giant humanoid figure in a nebula flashing gang signs at us.
Can’t you fucking wait and see? Nothin real, all os “faith”? Bullshit

[Anonymous No.18059673]

Butterfly is such a sore loser lol

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059681]

>>18059621
Prove that it’s not the Spaghetti Monster

>>18059647
That’s a life without faith in religions. To live in free enquiry, at ease with new discovery

[Anonymous No.18059691]

>>18059681
A life without faith in religions, but faith in the life without faith in relgions.

[Anonymous No.18059711]

>>18059663
>provably
So prove it then!!! holy crap! why are you beating around the bush with this long tirade about leaves if your point is provable?!? just prove god(s) does not exist, and i will completely and utterly capitulate to your then objectively correct stance that atheism is not faith based conclusion. no more pussyfooting around!

[Anonymous No.18059716]

>>18059681
>Prove that it’s not the Spaghetti Monster
I cant! its impossible for me to do! i have faith that it isnt, just like you have faith that there is no god

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059742]

>>18059711
Papa Smurf is your real father. Your mother told me, and I remember them paling around before you were born.

>>18059716
Yeah. Ha ha.

[Anonymous No.18059772]

>>18059742
so you capitulate then; your opinion regarding atheism is in fact based on a leap of faith

[Anonymous No.18059777]

>>18059742
>Papa Smurf is your real father. Your mother told me, and I remember them paling around before you were born.

How exactly is this objective proof that god does not exist?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18059787]

>>18059772
Your use of the word is clumsy and wrong. But what do words mean to a pack of postmodernist philosophy students?

>>18059777
Ask your papa

[Anonymous No.18059815]

>>18059787
Not him, but it isn't clumsy or wrong. It's just a recognition that faith is more pervasive than its mere institutional manifestations.

[Anonymous No.18059825]

>>18059787
still no argument.

are really so lacking in self awareness that you can observe yourself in this thread being completely and utterly unable to back up your beliefs and just not acknowledge it, like you've raised some sort of internal mental block? do you simply have faith that you are correct and do not need to prove anything, not even to yourself?

I believe the phrase for what you are experiencing is called "cognitive dissonance", you both hold that you are correct, but know you are not correct at the same time

[Anonymous No.18059914]

>>18057530
God, your posts just keep getting more and more embarrassing. Please stop posting, you insufferable faggot. Thanks - the management

[Anonymous No.18059952]

>>18059787
>Your use of the word is clumsy and wrong
prove it then, how is it used properly?

[Anonymous No.18059954]

>>18059914
Go fuck your mother, numbnuts.

[Anonymous No.18060082]

>>18057200
For Turkish, it's Elmalili Hamdi, at least.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Muhammed_Hamdi_Yaz%C4%B1r
it's initiated by M.K. Ataturk
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Hak_D%C4%ABni_Kur%27an_Dili

>>18057224
Don't listen to this tranny

[Anonymous No.18060089]

>>18057649
>Violence is based. Secular humanism is cringe.
That's you, though.
You are a degenerate.

[Anonymous No.18060129]

Another embarrassing defeat for butterfly

remember to remind her of this every time she gets uppity and tries to insult someone

[Anonymous No.18060180]

>>18058006
>>18058183
>>18058241
>>18058445
>>18058557
>>18058646
>>18058711
>>18058770
>>18058776
>>18058816
>>18058882
>>18059011
>>18059587
>>18059663
Butterfly, you'll never be as pretty as her. Even in your prime, you were less than her right shoulder, and now, everyday, you age more and more ugly.

[Anonymous No.18060278]

>>18057200
AAAAAA GOD LOOK AT THAT FUCKING BELLY

[Anonymous No.18060282]

>>18057649
>> Violence is based. Secular humanism is cringe
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.18060290]

>>18060278
bellychad?

[Anonymous No.18060342]

>>18059663
>green of a leaf is obvious
Leaves aren't green. An energy of a certain wavelength bounces off of something and a somehow conscious electric mush labels it as a green leaf.
> it’s provably(sic) an old myth
So it's a long-established meaningful concept.
>science comes out and tells us [we're wrong]
History of Science is mostly systems of belief that are continuously overturned (e.g. Aristotelian Physics -- Newtowianism -- GRT/QT). That doesn't mean science is meaningless; they're actionable and utilitous...but it means there's a high degree of certainty that within a few hundred years the concepts you qualify as science today will no longer qualify as such by your own definition.
>unexplainable giant humanoid figure
Pretty low-hanging fruit for a scholarly person to go after. What if the best way we have of forming ideas related to sublime entities is anthropomorphic?
>Nothin real, all os “faith”
I don't take it on faith that I love someone. I also think that breaking down a concept such as love to biological dispositions and electromagnetic impulses isn't a very useful way to interpret such feelings in a meaningful way. I have faith that what we know is extremely limited and knowledge that we do possess isn't always qualifiable solely via pragmatism or its utility.

So...in light of the above...you have to have a lot of faith label yourself an Athiest and most of the time your arguments are just (pic related).

[Anonymous No.18060365]

>>18057391
Haha who would want that haha don’t be crazy anon
Imagine actually thinking about thinking about her touching your peepee that would be so weird haha who would do that haha

[Anonymous No.18060378]

>>18057200
Marry Fuck Kill
only right answer

[Anonymous No.18060386]

>>18057200
Russian women btw

[Anonymous No.18060387]

>>18060378
(that also answers the thread question desu.)

[Anonymous No.18060391]

>>18060378
Fuck Marry Kill, in that order.

[Anonymous No.18060400]

>>18060387
how?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18060408]

>>18059952
By faith alone, apparently.

>>18060089
>Violence IS based!!!!
Apparently there’s no such thing anymore.

>>18060180
Nor is there any such thing as pretty.

>>18060342
>So it's a long-established meaningful concept.
So I am Artemis!

[Anonymous No.18060425]

>>18057200
are they here to see me? I wonder what they want!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N7GeSKw9TsU

[Anonymous No.18060432]

>>18060408
>Nor is there any such thing as pretty.
cope

[Anonymous No.18060444]

>>18060408
>another non answer
you have to be the most intellectually deprived person ive ever met

why are you so afraid of just answering questions? you spent virtually all day going back and forth in this thread, so you obviously care, but you are completely and utterly unable to actually back up anything you say and you get destroyed in every single debate you attempt because of it

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18060454]

>>18060432
You only have faith there’s such a thing

[Anonymous No.18060459]

>>18060454
and despite dedicating your entire day to this thread, you still only have faith that there is no god

[Anonymous No.18060463]

>>18060444
She's afraid of accepting she has faith because above she said muh science dogma wasn't about faith. Then she got BTFO. It's quite sad, really. Like an old, miserable woman getting ran over by a car.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18060482]

>>18060459
>entire day
Look at you! Lost all sense of time.
You only have faith to hold your whole life together. Who are those people claiming to be your family, really?
Are you actually using a computer or are you being run in a computer simulation? Oh tenuous reality!

[Anonymous No.18060484]

>>18057982
The original New Testament was Greek. The Latin Vulgate is a later translation of the original manuscripts. Later translations like the Wycliffe Bible and Luther's German translation used the Vulgate, creating two layers of separation between the original words and the version people actually read, but it's not comparable to the Qur'an.

[Anonymous No.18060546]

>>18060482
... your post are labeled with your tripcode and they all have timestamps. from that data one can in fact extrapolate that you spent quite a bit of time in this thread today.

anyway, once again your opinion on the theism/atheism debate is in fact faith based and you have been completely and utterly unable to prove otherwise. im genuinely curious as to why its so painful for you to acknowledge this

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18060570]

>>18060546
>quite a bit
“Your entire day” is what you said. Not eight hours
But, as we’ve established ITT, time is a matter of faith. You must believe it’s been closer to twenty-four hour, or perhaps you have faith that eight hours is a full day. Either way, good for you, knight of faith.

[Anonymous No.18060576]

>>18060570
>what is hyperbole

[Anonymous No.18060595]

>>18057200
lmao

[Anonymous No.18060596]

>>18060570
youve spent how much time reading literature and you still dont understand hyperbole?

anyway, I will reiterate just because: your opinion on the theism/atheism debate is in fact faith based and you have been completely and utterly unable to prove otherwise. im genuinely curious as to why its so painful for you to acknowledge this

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18060610]

>>18060576
Faith based
Apparently

[Anonymous No.18060619]

>>18060342
>>18060408
Couldn't contend with any of the arguments, eh? So you (quite poorly) affirmed the consequent by cherry-picking a detail while conveniently ignoring the main thrust of how you conceptualize and define 'science.'

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18060620]

>>18060596
No such thing anymore
All thanks to the ragtag team of postmodernist anonymous litoids.
Who may or may not exist

[Anonymous No.18060641]

>>18060620
why do you always go off on some weird tangent whenever you get BTFO? do you just know you are in the wrong and have no retort, but still just HAVE to say something?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18060658]

>>18060641
BTFO is a construct though

> do you just know you are in the wrong and have no retort
I’ve explained myself plenty. But postmodernism has assigned the word “faith” to everything around us and proclaimed everything unreal until proven otherwise.
Can you prove reality, anon? It’s all *just* fictional till you do have absolute proof

[Anonymous No.18060673]

>when some cringe bitch gets BTFO all day and out of nowhere cites "postmodernism" as an excuse

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18060690]

>>18060673
>excuse

[Anonymous No.18060717]

Don't you ever @ me again you stupid petty loser cunt.

[Anonymous No.18060740]

>>18060690
>>18060717

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18060745]

>>18060717
>petty loser
Spreading the lessons learned here is being petty?
Ass

[Anonymous No.18060752]

You forgot the faggot trip, tripfag.

[Anonymous No.18060754]

>>18060658
>I’ve explained myself plenty.
but you haven't though, you have literally not given ONE (1) single argument that points the fact that your belief that there is no gods is an objective conclusion based on hard evidence and not an assumption

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18060781]

>>18060752
Are you trying to tell this to the Frankenstein poster? That’s your little buddy shadowing you.

>>18060754
The trouble is YOU won’t accept reality as anymore valid than fiction. All facts are fiction so even blatant fictions are just as much facts.

The language for your philosophy allows for this. So you have faith in it.

[Anonymous No.18060818]

>>18060781
... no the trouble is that you say you believe there is no god, but you cannot prove there is no god, therefore your assumption that there is no god is in fact an assumption, just like people who have faith in god make an assumption that there is a god

one assumes there is no god, one assumes there is a god, both are assumed answered to an unanswerable question

in order to prove that your assumption is a fact and not just an assumption you must prove god exists. you cannot prove god exists, so your assumption is in fact just an assumption


what part of this do you not understand?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18060853]

>>18060818
No, I say I am fairly certain. This isn’t faith I base this on. It’s to all available facts of the matter. And I’ve said several time ITT that if, drrr, the real god showed up, and it’s Nix, or its super intelligent dust cloud, and it’s a rational being that explains the universe, than my being an atheist all this time was not in vain.
You hear none of this. You can’t think. You can’t decide. You’re crippled.

Hey, I’ve argued in favor of the subjectivity of things, I did it again just now, but the lengths you go to are ridiculous

[Anonymous No.18060900]

>>18060853
>No, I say I am fairly certain.
you said you ARE an atheist, which means you do not believe in god, and you enter every single religion related thread exclaiming that belief in god is idiotic or some such insult. even if you claim to be an agnostic who leans towards atheism, which i think you just did by saying "I am fairly certain" and not "completely certain", then that leaning towards atheism is still in fact a show of faith; you dont know for certain, but the evidence you have seen gives you faith that there is no god
>This isn’t faith
then prove it isnt faith by proving god does not exist, there by making it an objective conclusion, which is the only alternative to faith

[Anonymous No.18060904]

>>18060342
>>18060619
>>18060740
Actually, you were just too stupid to come up with any retorts so, out of boredom, I posted a famous literary character from a Romantic Era novel that offers a thematic criticism of scientific pride.

[Anonymous No.18060914]

>>18060904
>>18060781
Oops.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18060976]

>>18060900
Agnosticism is fence sitting that takes a moment or two. You are either on the faithful side considering climbing it, or you’re on the nonbeliever side. It is a reasonable yard to be in. I am off the fence down there. Whence cometh Nix? Show me the footprints of Ganesha.
F A I T H is a belief in a F I C T I O N
Atheism is a L A C K of faith.

Just come at me with the old words have no meaning excuse.

[Anonymous No.18060980]

>>18060853
let me help you understand better because you literally do not seem to know what words mean

faith ►

To believe; credit.
n.
The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition or statement for which there is not complete evidence; belief in general.
n.
Specifically Firm belief based upon confidence in the authority and veracity of another, rather than upon one's own knowledge, reason, or judgment; earnest and trustful confidence: as, to have faith in the testimony of a witness; to have faith in a friend.


>The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition or statement for which there is not complete evidence; belief in general.

there is not complete evidence that there is no god. despite that, you believe there is truth to the proposition "there is no god"

you, by definition, have faith. there is literally no room for debate in this, it is an objective fact based on the social construct that is the definition of the word faith

this debate is over, you have lost

[Anonymous No.18060983]

>>18060976
oops
see
>>18060980

[Anonymous No.18061000]

>>18060342
>>18060408
>>18060619
>>18060740
>>18060781
>>18060904
Butterfly, you're a complete and utter disappointment. Rolling for pages before bed.

[Anonymous No.18061005]

>>18061000
>that roll
oof

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18061044]

>>18060980
>The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition or statement for which there is not complete evidence
But you extend it to mean even things with evidence
This second definition decides to supersede the first and it isn’t any longer about faith. It’s more “belief” or “trust”

> there is not complete evidence that there is no god
Once again. There is COMPLETE evidence that there is no human imagined god, and there is really sufficient evidence that there is no unthought of gods laying around. Atheists rest easy with this 99% assurance.
The definition of atheist
Atheism is an absence of belief in the existence of deities.

Ah well. I have faith that I will be eating breakfast in a few hours. Keep the FAITH, anonymous

[Anonymous No.18061058]

>>18061044
>But you extend it to mean even things with evidence
no i didnt
>There is COMPLETE evidence
then for the last time: PROVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18061082]

>>18061058
Lay down book length accounts of all the gods people have invented and demonstrate how they can’t exist? Again? Read book or two

Mythological gods are FICTION by definition

[Anonymous No.18061084]

>>18061000
>>18061005
I think just fate just told butterfly to fuck off. That was a sick get.

[Anonymous No.18061128]

>>18061082
>Lay down book length accounts of all the gods people have invented and demonstrate how they can’t exist?
we arenot discussing specific cultural interpretations of the primary mover, we are discussing the fundamental concept of a primary mover: prove that the regression is in fact infinite and there is no prime over

if you have no complete evidence that there is no prime mover, you cannot prove it, then your assertion that there is truth to the proposition "there is no prime mover" is by definition a faith based assessment, simple as!

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18061200]

>>18061128
The concept is a fiction we invented. A nonsensical one at that. It would be really weird if there was such a thing and it would raise more questions than answer. The universe, in any of the various secularist theories, needs no personification.

No one even asked, but my *faith*, a freely admitted supposition, is that the universe is infinite and eternal. Too big to personify. Pointless to do so. Makes more sense than a finite toy invented by a vengeful cow headed jerk

[Anonymous No.18061339]

>>18061200
>The concept is a fiction
P R O V E I T

[Anonymous No.18061375]

>>18061200
Butters... the primary mover is a function logic not an imagined fictional story

[Anonymous No.18061597]

>>18057408
You have to go back, now

[Anonymous No.18061602]

>>18057458
Because strange posters here have an obsession with it, without having any real world experience of Muslims or their practices. If you grew up in the west around a lot of them you'd know why.

[Anonymous No.18061851]

>>18060290
FFUUUUUUUUUCK

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18062496]

>>18061375
Putting a human face on the fucking universe is a hubristic tribal myth we created. It’s not inscribed on the moon. It isn’t evident in anything the sciences have found. It isn’t logical at all. It is proven false.