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18048066 No.18048066 [Reply] [Original]

How do I nudge friends away from Stoicism? It's making them very boring and annoying.

>> No.18048078

Consider what it is about stoicism that irks you so much, and why you feel the need to sway loved ones away from philosophies you find "boring".

>> No.18048134

>>18048078
It's turning them into twenty-something equivalents of grumpy old people, through automatically writing off all possibilities for change because that's 'following passions' or something. It just sounds like a really shitty attitude to be having at that age, desu, especially since they're not NEETs.

>> No.18048147

it's annoying but they'll get over it probably, although some people remain in perpetual adolescence so it's a coinflip

>> No.18048162

>>18048134
They're really going about it wrong. In my opinion stoicism is best used as a method of coping with pain. When I lost a very close loved one I tried turning to religion and philosophy and only really found comfort in stoicism. It's not a philosophy of achieving happiness, or even something you'd want to base your life on, it's a useful tool to employ in a persons spiritual toolbox, so to speak. You don't find happiness with stoicism. You only avoid pain.

>> No.18048194

Show them the shaman carl jung and do drugs with them and maybe suck their d

>> No.18048203

>>18048162
>quietist self help philosophy
hey man ever heard of this thing called truth

>> No.18048265

>>18048194
definitely not a maybe

>> No.18048283

>>18048203
What?

>> No.18048303

>>18048194
>implying they're not aware of jung

Oh, and try guessing where they've heard of him.

>> No.18048307

>>18048303
son of a bitch they're jordan peterson fans aren't they

>> No.18048322

>>18048307
At least one is, but the others are at the very least familiar with him.

>> No.18048329

>>18048066
Look at it from a different angle. Are your friend’s lives better now or before they ‘adopted’ stoicism? Be honest too, not just if they’re having more fun of whatever bullshit, but if their lives are really looking more productive and promising. If their lives are better now then you’d be a shitty friend for wanting them to change just because they’re boring. If their lives are worse, just tell them that real stoics would shut the fuck up about being stoic and stop being annoying.

>> No.18048332

>>18048203
stfu self serious pseud

>> No.18048353

>>18048332
>a stoic calling someone self serious
the jokes write themselves

>> No.18048354

>>18048134
Why does a person in his twenties need to behave in some kind of carpe diem stereotype? Whats wrong with removing their acts from their passions?

>> No.18048364
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>>18048066
You sound like a shit friend.

Anyway this thread is fucking gay, what are you bros reading at the moment. I'm just about to start Brothers Karamazov for the first time and I'm very excited about it.

>> No.18048369

>>18048353
I'm not a stoic.

>> No.18048377

>>18048364
I'm stuck on the same Eitnee Gilson book for a couple of weeks. I've been to burnt out to read. So I picked up Crichton's "The Lost World" as easy reading to fill the time

>> No.18048389

What your friends do is out of your control, worrying about what philosopjy they subscribe to is wasted effort.

>> No.18048410

>>18048329
I'm not under the impression that it's doing them any good. On a purely practical level, they were and are doing ok, but on a social level, this just seems like needless self-limiting.

>>18048354
I'm not even talking about jumping out of an airplane or something. This is at the level where they don't even want to meet new people, go to new places, anything.

>>18048364
>hasn't already read brothers karamazov
Why are you even on this board?

>> No.18048426

>>18048364
I'm starting the essays of Ralp Waldo Emerson, I've read the first essay about history, and it the book seems promising this far.

>> No.18048427

>>18048410
I know, it's one of my outstanding lit regrets, I've read Crime and Punishment, The Idiot, Notes, Gambler, all that shit, just never read BK. I only confess in anonymity to my niggas onloine

>> No.18048430

>>18048410
Well you know them best. Just remember that whatever you try to do, do it for them and not for yourself. Love your friends

>> No.18048510

>>18048427
Respectable list desu

>>18048430
I see this specific situation as a potential win-win for them and for me.

>> No.18048515

>>18048410
Well that does seem unhealthy. See if they'll really commit and mediate under a tree like buddha. Otherwise direct them towards Christianity and see that they can enjoy goods in the world while still rejectinf the world itself

>> No.18048541

>>18048515
Sound advice.

>> No.18048559

>>18048541
I'm really fond of what Augustine says in On Christian Doctrine of which I've only read very little
Consider life like a pathway to a destination. You can enjoy the walk, but you err when you mistake the walk itself for the goal. You can enjoy the means but dont lose sight of the end. It seems they're fixated too closely on the end while forgetting to appreciate the means.

>> No.18048643

>>18048559
That does sound very nice.

>> No.18049183

Either get them to read Nietzsche to turn them against it. Or get them to read Marx so they can submit to the laws of history rather than the logos.

>> No.18049284

>>18048066
Ignore the other replies and listen here anon, for ive your solution. Nothing shall change your friends, immersed in their own ego, but to force them to experience tremendous passion. Only therein will they realize their foolishness. I know because this process is what saved me. And so here is how you shall accomplish the task. Create a situation in which you're with one of them, preferably the one the others hold in highest regard, when they are asleep. And then, cover their face with chloroform and drag them into a secluded place. The chloroform must be kept over his face throughout the dragging, else he will wake. It is imperative that you take him somewhere unfamiliar. And then, secure him in place and make yourself scarce. Thus completed, have your black associate, stark nude except for a balaclava, stand before your friend. The black man must be wielding a handgun and a melee instrument. Once your friend awakes, your black friend must begin shouting at him in Turkish (the most aggressive sounding of the non-romance languages). Your black friend must then escalate, making threatening motions and screaming like a maniac (convince him to do this with a reward of Marijuana). Finally, have him drop the melee instrument, fire the handgun, and put it to your friends head, whispering in faux-broken English "how art thou so for me, white man?". At this critical moment, you fire a rifle you had brought with you, loaded with a blank, the black man let's out a thorough shriek and disappears into the night. Your friend will be overwhelmed with emotion, in touch with passion. If he wishes to make love to you right there, you must allow it. This shall inexorably turn him from stoicism. Goodluck my dear.

>> No.18049300

>how do i drag everyone around me down
just kill yourself instead

>> No.18049317

>>18048066
put some date rape drugs in their drinks and rape them

>> No.18049413

>>18048066
You have the wrong attitude. You shouldn’t be trying to make people think the way you do because it irks you. That’s selfish. However, if you think their worldview is flawed then correct them. I don’t think stoicism is the definitive account of reality, so I would argue with your friends about its shortcomings. Argument when done in good faith is the working out and promotion of truth.

>> No.18049549

>>18048162
I think this is a really good way to put it. Stoicism is the most effective when dealing with something mentally tough, loss, grief, failure, etc. There is little discussion on being happy, success, cause it all just reverts back to accepting what’s within your control and avoiding the pain of things that aren’t.

I do disagree that you couldn’t use this as more all encompassing life philosophy, as you certainly could, and I don’t even think when applied correctly it would be that boring.

>> No.18049588

>>18048066
>my friends are turning their back on me because they realized how annoying I am. How do I emotionally blackmail them into liking me again. Me, me, ME!

Kys OP

>> No.18049719

>>18048307
kek

>> No.18051282

>>18048066
give them sex

>> No.18051711
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>>18048066

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>>18048203
Julius is a bitch that lets Zark fuck other men.

>> No.18051921

Christianity

>> No.18051950

>>18048066
Maybe let people follow their own tenets and give less of a fuck?

>> No.18051963
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>>18048066
Give them Nietzsche

>> No.18051998

>>18048134
let them live life by their own terms you miserable faggot. the irony here is that you sound like the jaded one, not them

>> No.18052012

>>18048066
Pyhrronism, the only way out is through

>> No.18052047

>>18048066
Stoicism is kind of based but Nietzsche is much more based, and the ultimate based, in my opinion, is Junger

>> No.18052109

jesus you sound annoying
i bet they never even mentioned the word stoicism, you're just their weird mid 20s friend annoying them constantly about philosophy and literature

>> No.18052122

>>18048078
>>18048162
>>18048329
Being a stoic is to internalize the mindset of the cuckold and mislead one to perpetuate violations of ones own integrity, it's no wonder it is being pushed so heavily by Silicon Valleyoids and the larger news media as the latest in self help auto-hypnotism.

>> No.18052405

>>18048066
hegel

>> No.18052868

I've gotten into Stoicism in the past but it isn't developed enough for me, so I'm instead getting deeper into christianity as a cope for my life. With Christianity I can look at church history, read bible commentaries, read theology or apologetics, etc etc etc. The scholarship never ends and the books are pretty cheap since there are so many on the exact same subject. Stoicism has nowhere near the amount of authors and I feel like 75% of the books are meant as an introductory text.

>> No.18053052

>>18048066
Ask them to explain why they dont live their life as though they are Stoics. I think nee-chee has a famous passage on this

>> No.18053193

>>18049284
Shut up faggot

>> No.18053521

>>18049317

It no longer counts as rape if she enjoys it.
Don't Google how often women cum during rape.

>> No.18053526

>>18052047
>>18051963
ha yes the atheist idol of the atheists. well done.

HOWEVERNietzsche is an atheist, a nihilist, postmodernist which appeals to a lot of liberals and other deeply neurotic teenagers

Nietzsche lives only in atheism and is the achievement of the secular humanism which booted Christianity out of power. Nietzsche is overtly anti-christian, and it permits to all the atheist bug men to actually see themselves as the righteous resilient guy who create his own values
In effect trannies are the best ubermen ever: they ate to see themselves as they really are, so they change both their neurotic spirit and also their body to match the narrative of the ubermen and even better, they impose their values to non-trannies.

The overman is actually the last man: the overman despises so much reality that after seeing nihilism, that out of resentment for reality, the uberman CHOOSES to sink further in his delusion by building a narrative where is not the last man, but actually the opposite: the uberman who create his own values, ie living in own brain farts until he dies.

>> No.18053547

>>18053526
rent free

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18053702

Read Nietzsche
He BTFOs stoicism

>> No.18053709

>>18053526
>Nietzsche is a nihilist and a postmodernist
Anon have you read him at all? Yes he says "there are no facts, only interpretations" like all great thinkers who tinker with the idea of subjective reality but he would never embrace the social constructivism that postmodernism (whatever that boogeyman means to you) has led to

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>>18048066

>> No.18053894

>>18048364
I'm finishing The Sound and The Fury