Why is traditionalism being picked up as a new boogeyman when it's a niche within a niche? Who the fuck cares about Guénon and Evola outside 4chan?

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Anonymous Sat Apr 17 02:36:42 2021 No.18045285 [Reply] [Original]

Why is traditionalism being picked up as a new boogeyman when it's a niche within a niche? Who the fuck cares about Guénon and Evola outside 4chan?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 02:38:42 2021 No.18045299 >>18045285 Is traditionalism gonna be the next fascism and get slapped on everything? I found some medium account by a Marxoid and 90% of his articles were whining about some fascist spectre. Hard to describe how ridiculous it was.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 02:43:21 2021 No.18045322

>>18045299
I think it's just going to be waved around as the new "weird thing by bad people" instead of becoming the new fascism, but I don't really understand why they chose traditionalism of all weirdo cliques within the non-mainstream right when it's such a minor meme on a meme website. Maybe I'm just not in touch with the /pol/verse but traditionalism seems like a pretty minor part of the "fascist" constellation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 02:43:37 2021 No.18045325 >>18045285 Have you actually read the book you just posted? I sincerely doubt anyone here is an unironic neoconservative like Teitelbaum

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 02:47:25 2021 No.18045344 >>18045285 >Traditionalism >Populism Lol even the title refuted itself

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 02:49:00 2021 No.18045351

>>18045285
>Who the fuck cares about Guénon and Evola outside 4chan
There is something like 3 people on 4chan who give a fuck about either of them. Participating in a cicrlejerk might make you feel like you have friends, suddenly, but consider that it is a tiny one compared to BBC or trap simps. You are about on the level of the one loser constantly shilling Nassim Taleb.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 02:56:32 2021 No.18045387

just to start off, consider the following: when humans live generation after generation they accumulate wisdom about life, eventually that wisdom takes form in social norms, moral values etc. now more generations past, lives come and go, and these social norms and values become a sort of inherent presence in society and no one can really point to a concrete explanation for them, and time once again goes on, but now more and more people see these values and norms as being some sort of arbitrary abstraction with no material basis that is pointlessly limiting their potential, and eventually these norms and values are deconstructed, and now once again the society in question is thrown right back to where it was originally, and time passes, and society degrades like a marble statue suddenly melting away as the forces holding it together are no longer acting on it, and we are all forced to learn the same harsh lessons our ancestors did, and accumulate that wisdom all over again from our mistakes

now, oddly specific people like Guénon and Evola and their niche philosophies dont really play a major part in this realistically, they are just a symptom of what is happening, which is that we are at a point in time where we long ago now hit that point where we began casting off the shackles of those old social norms and moral values, and we are hitting rock bottom as a people because of it, our fundamental lifestyles are hitting a point where they are absolutely toxic and literally poisoning and killing us and destroying the very planet we life on, and people are beginning to hit that point where our collective experiences are starting to teach us that the values we let go of were not in fact arbitrary and were in fact grounded in material reality with real tangible value to society, and this is where the conflict comes in, as other people want to continue their rejection of those healthy functional values and continue their mental and physical downward spiral, or are just afraid of change because it would be extremely difficult to just upend your whole lifestyle that fueled by a plethora of physical and mental dependancies. being forced to face the impulses that dominate their lives becomes the great fear, and those who would push them to better themselves are the great villains, hence why they are the boogie man

now returning to Guénon and Evola, as i said its only an off chance symptom, people in the camp of more traditional values search for literature to explore and reaffirm their beliefs and are pointed in the direction of those writers, who are obviously i think significantly more niche than what those people where looking for, but none the less, they are thus dragged into the zeitgeist

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 03:03:07 2021 No.18045436 News need their boogeyman. Most people calling themselves trads these days are more nationalists or identitarians anyway.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 03:19:41 2021 No.18045536

what's the goal of bureaucracy? to expand
what's the goal of glowies? to increase their budgets

To link Guenon to mass murder is an insane stretch but they still make it work because:

Guenon -> Evola -> neo-fascist terror in 70s Italy
Guenon -> Islam -> ISIS!
Guenon -> Islam -> antisemitism!

I've said it a million times before but you'll notice at certain times of the day particular threads with keywords and images will be spammed here simultaneously for the sake of the impression a screenshot would make when shown during a presentation to a boomer higher up at the intelligence agency: so at the top of the /lit/ catalog you'll see: Evola thread, ISIS thread, Osama Bin Laden thread, Heckin Based Ted K thread. Scary stuff, right! Books like the one in OP are created to provide the justification for expanding glowie budgets, simple as.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 03:21:14 2021 No.18045545 >>18045322 Pretty popular in my muzzie neighbourhood

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 03:29:42 2021 No.18045598 >>18045285 Why they drag poor little Evol into this?

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:04:35 2021 No.18045754

>>18045285
For many of these researchers, I think it serves their need to rebel against religion in a society which is now almost entirely secular aside aside from groups protected from deconstruction by virtue of their ethnicity (i.e. to attack a Sudanese Muslim expressing the same values as Guenon would also be 'fascist').

The disassembly of any doctrine which could provide transcendence being the palliative for the lack of it in the life of the modern intellectual who is clever enough to see through the dogma of exoteric religion but finds only aridity in its absence.

>Who the fuck cares about Guénon and Evola outside 4chan?
Crucially, Steve Bannon. And Steve Bannon won, at least temporarily, which they cannot stand. Those interests of his which can't be spun as fascism therefore have to presented as eccentric quirks - 'he was into Gurdjieff, lol!'. This is standard practice.

>>18045387
Crab mentality on the civilisational level?

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:14:16 2021 No.18045797

Have you read the book in the OP? It struck me as fairly sympathetic if anything.

Anyways Guénon is popular in Islamic circles. Probably it's picked up as a way to scaremonger about Muslims without outright alienating Muslims. People can take all the opinions the average Muslim has, attribute it to 'ebil neofascist white incels', and suddenly it becomes socially acceptable to push for laws banning these books and harassing people who fail to be sufficiently enthusiastic for globohomo. >>18045536 is also true to an extent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:15:51 2021 No.18045802 >>18045285 Because traditionalism is inherently anti-humanist

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:22:58 2021 No.18045841 >>18045285 How come Jews don’t write books called Zionism Wars for Eternity? I mean this is the live and actual world we live in.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:25:03 2021 No.18045848 >>18045285 Old bad, war bad. New good. These people really are complete idiots.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:26:26 2021 No.18045852 >>18045802 It's not anti-humanist, it's just not humanist.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:30:55 2021 No.18045866

I don't think it is a new thing at all. The book strikes me as in the vein of any number of those books with titles like "What The Trump Just Happened" that acted as a kind of physical spam upon entering any bookstore over the last 5 years. The difference being that it explored some niche areas.

If Trump was still in office it might have played some part in forming current and near future discourse, but it turns out it was written for a timeline that didn't happen.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:34:43 2021 No.18045879

I'm considering reading this, but if I buy it and then it turns out the author has barely read any of the authors' actual writings themselves, and only secondary sources making absurd claims about what they "really" thought (see wikipedia), it will really irritate me. Thus, I don't believe I will bother reading it unless someone can tell me otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:38:37 2021 No.18045897 >>18045879 here's the author's interview with Glenn Beck from last month https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7ou_0QEgv0

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:39:08 2021 No.18045899 >>18045285 >Benjamin R. Titelbaum Every single time

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:45:28 2021 No.18045937

>>18045897
Glenn Beck is nobody these days, and I am sure the guy isn't just going to not promote his book. But I am certain it was written for different conditions than we find ourselves in. But, if Traditionalism does see a mainstream push back it makes me wonder about Guenonfag, if he/them were more than a simple loner schizoposting his favourite writer. If this has been in the works for a while could they have been a part?

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:45:34 2021 No.18045938

>>18045897
Why do people talking about the problem of "truth" in recent years never touch postmodernism? They act like traditionalists or the big bad right wing are the ones responsible for the promotion of subjectivism and relativism. All of this havoc to do with Trump is, if anything, a result of mid-20th century French philosophy.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:50:45 2021 No.18045962

A lot of people who write books like these are funded by various "open society", "anti-hate" NGOs that are stuffed to the gills with money and need an excuse to spend it. They claim to observe and document society but in fact play a powerful and under examined role in shaping it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 04:55:26 2021 No.18045985

*sinister music plays*
Tittybalm : These Traditionalists are Hindus, Muslims, some are even Christian
Beck *astonished*: R-r-really?
Tittybalm: Yes. But typically Russian Orthodox and... *the music cuts off* CATHOLIC

*In a panic Beck's terrified audience immediately donate their Wal Mart paychecks to Israel*

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 05:02:27 2021 No.18046020

>>18045938
Liberals are, have always been, soft-positivists. They are fundamentally technocratic, empirical, rationalist. Post-Modernism is considered embarrassing by them and they always held it facing away from themselves when they indulged it. They don't create but they do instrumentalize the work of others. Post-Modernism was useful for dismantling parts of culture that impeded maximizing capital. They can't allow its heuristics to be used against themselves, but it is allowed to exist to the extent that it dissolves traditional conceptions of the human being, allowing them to open a new horizon of consumers to profit off of, this being Transhumanism. Transgenderism is the first major push for this, and so a deconstruction of gender was a necessary precursor.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 05:07:22 2021 No.18046043

>>18046020
Yeah, that basically mirrors my thoughts on it, too. It's just odd (although I guess not if you consider that there is a "motive" behind everything that is published or televised) that there is no one who has linked the basic conclusions of postmodernism to everything that's happened in recent years, and that people have been so quick to blame the right wing for (as if there were no philosophical precedent for the thought that has emerged in recent years, however chaotic or simple that thought might be).

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 05:10:10 2021 No.18046055

>>18045322
>but traditionalism seems like a pretty minor part of the "fascist" constellation.
This is the most retarded take I have ever seen on this board.
Literally Traditionalism is probably the most important pillar of Fascism
Literally, the entire /pol/ movement consists of returning to Tradition, Returning to Nature and the Founding principles of a Nation
What's Fascism without Traditionalism? Literally nothing
The entire movement is about that. The most hated term on /pol/ is the so called "Progress", look at the modern state of the world, everybody hates that
On the other hand, everybody want to go to the united states in the 60's and 70's, when it was all white, people had decent wages and capitalism benifited the people
Instead of that we got progressivism which is literally getting millions of immigrants, promoting degenerate decadence such as gay marriage and trans agenda, and even now is going further to attack children and the pillars of the nuclear family
Fascism or the Modern /pol/ Movement is about Returning to Tradition. Period

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 05:11:46 2021 No.18046062 >>18046055 >Returning to Nature and the Founding principles of a Nation This is not Traditionalism. Please educate yourself, I'm not even angry with you. Traditionalism has a very specific meaning.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 05:21:13 2021 No.18046103

>>18046055
You know nothing about Traditionalism, as in The Traditionalist School, which the book OP posted about.
Secondly you don't know anything about the radical Anti-Traditionalism of the Italian Fascists who overlapped with the Futurist movement.

Just over all a really ignorant post on your part, informed only by third-hand memes you have seen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 05:21:21 2021 No.18046105 >>18046055 >Literally Traditionalism is probably the most important pillar of Fascism The Traditionalists (Guenon, Schuon, Evola et al) define Tradition completely different from it's colloquial usage. It has nothing to do with politics.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 05:29:23 2021 No.18046146

>>18045285
If I ever write a novel I'm going to add an Evola-like character who lives in some dark, secluded castle that is perpetually in the midst of a thunderstorm, talks only in edgy aphorisms, and never talks to any other character face-to-face because he only considers them worthy of facing his back.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 05:31:53 2021 No.18046157 >>18046146 I've never actually read his books. Is this what he's like?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 05:46:38 2021 No.18046231 >>18046157 No. He liked to have friends over for tea. His gf was a satanic sex witch tho.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 06:16:50 2021 No.18046379 >>18045897 He seems quite intelligent and good faith, I might check the book out. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 06:41:35 2021 No.18046482 >>18046146 this is Aglie from "Foucault's Pendulum"

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 06:45:05 2021 No.18046499 >>18046055 The 60s and 70s are the peak of modernity, lol. Traditionalists look towards the Romans.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 06:50:39 2021 No.18046524 >>18046055 >futurist movements are traditionalist Ok, retard.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 06:50:52 2021 No.18046526

>>18046055
>This is the most retarded take I have ever seen on this board.

He's right. What Guenon means by "Tradition" is actually "crypto-Buddhist metaphysics of Shankara." He does believe in hierarchy but politics is not fundamentally his concern and he personally advocated against involvement in politics, even in anti-colonialist movements.

Guenon thinks once the crypto-Buddhist metaphysics is properly understood by spiritual elites (who will appear as completely average and humble people) who will then transmit this knowledge in an esoteric network of initiation, then all of society will order itself naturally.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 07:04:19 2021 No.18046586 >>18045545 That's interesting. I haven't come across any Muslims studying the Traditionalists aside from Sufi intellectuals. Can you tell us any more about your neighborhood? Which Traditionalist writers are most popular?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 07:05:18 2021 No.18046587 >>18045285 >teitelbaum

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 07:07:17 2021 No.18046595 >>18046146 Joscelyn Godwin wrote a novel based on Evola that isn't a million miles away from this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 07:19:00 2021 No.18046651 >>18045985 lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 07:22:59 2021 No.18046673 Guenon and Evola have jumped the shark. Traditionalism isn't interesting anymore, not even if Steve Bannon knows the titles of their books. Teitelbaum is trying to cash in while he can.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 07:38:44 2021 No.18046730 >>18045285 Nobody

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 07:42:00 2021 No.18046743 >>18045344 Thread should have ended here.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 07:44:25 2021 No.18046752

>>18045754
>aside from groups protected from deconstruction by virtue of their ethnicity (i.e. to attack a Sudanese Muslim expressing the same values as Guenon would also be 'fascist')
They won't attack them directly, but they will engage in fake paternalism. "These poor people don't know any better, because they are still suffering the effects of colonization." "Underprivileged people turn to fascists for answers, because we failed to educate them." Et cetera, ad nauseam (literally).
They want the moral high ground of the white man's burden, but none of the responsibility.
>Crab mentality on the civilisational level?
I suspect if may be worse than that. You're right, of course, about the accumulated lessons of tradition, but the modern materialist drags HIMSELF down, even when offered a helping hand out of the bucket.
I would compare it to a child mentality. Specifically that age when you no longer want to obey authority, but haven't learned to regulate your own behavior. Any attempt to explain why going to bed on time is important will only strengthen the child's resolve to stay up late. Only when he's been laughed at for falling asleep in class will he know you were right all along.
The modern materialist has the same reaction to Tradition. The more you try to show him what works (natural law), the stronger is his resolve to do the opposite.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 08:13:30 2021 No.18046867 >>18046062 Other anon spelled it with a capital T. He does know the difference, but is choosing to ignore it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 08:25:58 2021 No.18046917

>>18045879
It's a decent book. The author is an ethnomusicologist who actually shadowed Banon for a while. It has a lot of weird redpills like the Charlottesville riots being orchestrated by backwater. It's doesn't portray traditionalism in a bad light at all, just looks at some of the more influential proponents of it who have achieved political power.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 08:27:57 2021 No.18046925 >>18045285 Because the Devil cannot tolerate any resistance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 08:47:17 2021 No.18046994 >>18045285 >Who the fuck cares about Guénon and Evola outside 4chan? You can't be serious.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 10:44:54 2021 No.18047556 >>18046994 Let’s promise each other to stay off of /lit/ from now on. It is obvious that everyone here is retarded.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 10:47:08 2021 No.18047569

>>18045285
It’s because Steve Bannon mentioned Evola a single time in an email and Steve Bannon is an evil fascisterino. You seem to have not yet gotten the memo that the political status quo of this epoch is relentlessly sniffing out and stamping out “fascism” and “Nazism” wherever it can be found.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 11:26:25 2021 No.18047786 >>18045897 Thanks anon. Good to know how they see it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 11:52:10 2021 No.18047928 >>18046595 whats it called?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 12:00:26 2021 No.18047958 >>18047928 "The Forbidden Book"

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 12:03:03 2021 No.18047968 >>18045285 >Who the fuck cares about Guénon and Evola outside 4chan? Read the book. A surprisingly large number of people

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 12:20:41 2021 No.18048063 >>18047968 reminder that there's a 1000+ page book published in France about Guenon's influence.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 12:25:32 2021 No.18048086
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>>18045536
>I've said it a million times before but you'll notice at certain times of the day particular threads with keywords and images will be spammed here simultaneously for the sake of the impression a screenshot would make when shown during a presentation to a boomer higher up at the intelligence agency
I've seen this at leftypol too but it takes a slightly different form and it happens usually sometime around the start of the working day on the east coast in the U.S., and it can often include extremist or insurrectionary stuff. Here's a recent one with some negative / bad faith propaganda attacking the website The Grayzone (a left-wing anti-imperialist website) with a weird Photoshop that I've heard is apparently reminiscent of anti-Putin threads on /pol/ (which I don't read). It's very creepy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 12:27:58 2021 No.18048091 >>18045802 >muh humanism Yikes.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 12:40:38 2021 No.18048167
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>>18048086
Here's another one from the China thread, which is one of the more popular threads there. Right after the start of the working day, Agent Johnson logs into his computer and just posts a video of the xtreme 3fast4u U.S. military rifle that punches through body armor. "I dunno bros..."

https://youtu.be/maAFcEU6atk

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 12:44:12 2021 No.18048187 >>18045285 I don't know. Fucking capitalist media needs constant fodder to keep the ratings up I guess. I think Evola and Guenon are interesting thinkers personally (I like the mysic side of theirs, not something you usually run into).

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Anonymous Sat Apr 17 14:39:55 2021 No.18049052
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these twitter nu-journalist people dig around in our stupid little website to see what we like so they can shit on it. so they can drag some mysterious obscurity out of a dangerous abyss and mutually award each other points for demonizing it.

the figures on that cover- dugin, bannon, evola, guenon- I can name all of them because I belong to this website. I'm not an intellectual, I'm not a student of traditionalism, I'm not a student at all, by all accounts I shouldn't have a clue who they are. I'm a fucking loser who's been here since he was 14 because internet socialization is less scary than the real life alternative.

people just create narratives out of nothing. "niches within niches" will always be popular on this site and subcultures similar to it because that's just the nature of this place and of the type it attracts: outsiders who sulk inwards and take refuge in niche interests.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 15:12:44 2021 No.18049234 >>18046055 Please, for the love of god, read a book instead of getting all your information from /pol/ threads

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 15:40:36 2021 No.18049403 >>18046055 Silly anon, guenon and evola are capital T Traditionalism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 15:46:31 2021 No.18049439 >>18046055 You are retarded and don't even understand a meme ideology

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 15:58:43 2021 No.18049531 People who complain about Guenon, Evola, etc are just triggered or were they filtered hard while reading them?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 16:04:28 2021 No.18049569 >>18045285 ((Benjamin R. Teitelbaum)) >>18049531 Both

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 16:13:57 2021 No.18049636

>>18045322
Stever Bannon mentioned both Evola and Guenon as influential thinkers and ever since at one side their popularity has risen and on the other you have stupid shit like wikipedia trannies mutilating Evola's page etc.

Now since this is a book by some kind of academic it's more troubling, because in all likelyhood, since he's specialised in some kind of musical topics rather than philosophy/obscure esotericism, he has gotten a grant from private institution(probably some kind of foundation) for the purpose of researching this stuff and writing some kind of critique of it with the purpose of tying it to something that is considered to be explicitly illegal or evil. His academic "opinion" will later be used to leverage bans for the books and deplatforming for people who reference them in any way other than purely negative.

It's classic case of an elite agent paying for "scientist" to produce work that will be used to convince other elite agents about his opinions on the thing the work describes.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 16:17:25 2021 No.18049667

>>18049636
He’s an ethnographer, and while his specialty is ethnomusicology, he headed the department of Nordic Studies at the University of Colorado, Boulder for some time. He has done a lot of work on the Scandinavian far-right and presumably knew about niche far-right figures like Evola, Guenon, and even Devi for some time, longer than most tradlarpers on here probably (including you).

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 16:18:37 2021 No.18049683 >>18049667 I see, that being said my point still stands.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 16:41:49 2021 No.18049832 >>18046055 I stopped reading after the third "literally"

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 16:53:12 2021 No.18049915 >>18049636 I don't mind desu. Traditionalism was always meant to be an elite perspective. If you're not actively seeking if out, then it's probably not for you. Deplatforming will only keep away the people who would get nothing out of if.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 17:59:25 2021 No.18050324 >>18049915 This, I’d been seeking something like traditionalism my whole life when I found it a few years ago. Just like with Spengler, I’m pleasantly surprised it’s become popular on this website but it will always be an extreme niche phenomenon

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 18:18:46 2021 No.18050421 >>18049636 You haven't read the book. Stop talking about stuff you don't know anything about.

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 18:23:42 2021 No.18050457

>>18045344
Maybe there should be a new word for the sort of traditionalism we see? NuTradiationalism? Progressive Traditionalism? LARP Traditionalism? It reminds me of the "traditionalist" movement in South Korea where people forgo western clothes for traditional Korean clothing. They all dress like they are court nobility despite none of them having a drop of noble blood in their veins. It's some sort of modern desire to go back, but not really so they just wear the outward trappings without any of the underlying mechanisms. See Trad Thots in the west.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 18:25:44 2021 No.18050473 >>18050457 The distinction was already made by the Traditionalists, Traditionalism vs traditionalism Alternatively call it conservatism

Anonymous Sat Apr 17 18:30:45 2021 No.18050505

>>18050473
I guess conservatism works. There was an article where they polled a bunch of self proclaimed conservatives and asked them what they mean by Make America Great Again. To sort of pinpoint a date and the most common answer was the 50's and would mention shows like Leave it to Beaver.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 20:39:22 2021 No.18051303 >>18045285 >Who the fuck cares about Guénon and Evola outside 4chan? its my mission to make sure everyone does

>>	Z Sat Apr 17 20:42:54 2021 No.18051321 >>18049667 >ethnomusicology Fucking lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 20:47:22 2021 No.18051340 >Why is traditionalism being picked up as a new boogeyman when it's a niche within a niche? People see the word traditionalism and think it means the 1920s or some shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 20:47:38 2021 No.18051342 >>18051303 Better learn some proper grammar first then because you know the only kinds of people you'll attract with bad grammar are people who don't care about grammar.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 20:50:52 2021 No.18051358 >>18046055 Top level bait

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 21:41:22 2021 No.18051670 >>18045299 Yes

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 00:05:56 2021 No.18052260 File: 875 KB, 1741x1900, despair.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's when you've read a book a thread is supposedly about that you realise how terrible lit really is, just a bunch of guesswork by people fencing with their own demons.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 00:50:57 2021 No.18052515 >>18045285 >(((Teitelbaum))) There's your answer. Anyways, if they mention any of our memes, then that means those memes are successful, yet also weak enough that they'll willing to give us free advertising.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 00:52:19 2021 No.18052519 >>18052260 Most people in this thread admitted they haven't read the book retard. Maybe try bringing up some discussion about it to get people interested instead of being a pretentious faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 00:53:46 2021 No.18052529 >>18049667 Seethe harder, Titelbaum.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 00:53:52 2021 No.18052530 >>18049667 >tradlarper >you don't have a PhD in that so your interest isn't legitimate, but this random Jew has a license so his retarded biased opinion piece is objectively correct

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 00:56:22 2021 No.18052543 >>18052515 >they'll willing Help. My mental state is deteriorating. I don't understand what's going on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 01:03:39 2021 No.18052576 >>18046055 This smells like a false flag post. Or maybe it's just mere bait.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 01:15:01 2021 No.18052628 >>18052519 Ah yes, having read a book is the peak of pretension on /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 01:18:14 2021 No.18052645 >>18052628 Making pretentious statements with no actual content is peak pretension.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 01:23:44 2021 No.18052662 File: 933 KB, 500x373, CriminalAptAzurevase-small.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18052645 >Making pretentious statements with no actual content is peak pretension.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 01:28:42 2021 No.18052687 >>18045285 >Teitelbaum

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 02:27:04 2021 No.18052914 >>18045285 >Who the fuck cares about Guénon and Evola outside 4chan? Dugin, for one.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 02:56:13 2021 No.18053041

>>18052530
He did spend several years shadowing various influential political thinkers.
For all the inane whining /litpol/ is doing ITT none of them have actually read the book. Idk how this board sees a book sympathetic to radical right wing thought, written by a professor of Nordic studies, who also spent years hanging out with neo-nazi bands in Europe, and declares that it's a jewish hit piece. It's obvious that none of you morons actually read the books you talk about.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 03:02:45 2021 No.18053067
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Does De Maistre come up in this book? He's the only "traditionalist" writer I actually care about, since he's the only one who actually has any interest in the actual, legitimate traditions of his place and time. Evola, Guenon, all these assholes are just fucking new-age hippies with a right-wing coat of paint. They all hated the aristocracy and they hated the Church and they wanted to be magicians and Sufis all so much else loopy bullshit. Not traditional at all. Not for Europeans, at least.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 03:07:59 2021 No.18053088

>>18053041
If anything Titelbaum strikes me as the kind of academic who's secretly extremely right wing, but hides it under a guise of neutrality in order to keep his job. He spends several chapters gushing about how much fun he had talking about Evola and co. with Banon, and how he was able to use his contacts in various European neo-fascist circles to get close to Dugin, and if you can read between the lines even a little bit it should be obvious none of these people would open up to him the way they do if he didn't come off as supportive of their movements.

He also makes Traditionalism sound like a jet-setting movement of womanizing king-makers using their esoteric knowledge of Buddhism and Sufi Islam to shape world history, which is frankly a lot more badass than the more likely truth that these people are just court philosophers for outsider politicians looking to appear sympathetic and wise.

People should read the book before giving stupid opinions like >>18049052.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 03:35:49 2021 No.18053197 >>18050505 Sauce?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 03:47:32 2021 No.18053246 >>18052530 He isn't even an expert in the field he is researching though. His 'licence' is just his media contacts, like a lot of public intellectuals.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 03:58:05 2021 No.18053296 >>18045299 Fascism will be the new fascism. But thanks to the internet this time it will win.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 03:59:28 2021 No.18053303 >>18045322 lol leftists mad that the fascist sicrit club will become more popular that their gay marxist-bolshevik sicrit club LMAO

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 04:02:10 2021 No.18053319

>>18053088
I suspect a lot of people who research the 'evil far-right underground' are secretly drawn to it, the same way one gets seduced by a really well written villain.
The far-left may be an equal threat to liberal democracy in real terms, but it has no aesthetic appeal and its leaders are boring fat nerds. The far-right, on the other hand, has the aura of a 'dangerous other'. It's like the vampire in the castle, promising to take you out of your dull existence if you just submit and go along for the ride.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 04:13:17 2021 No.18053358

>>18053319
Maybe he is not totally on board with this stuff, but when someone puts all the time and effort required to carve a spot on academia in Nordic Studies of all fields then you know he isn't totally inmune to the appeal.
Plus someone well read enough in Traditionalism knows that even if it can seem wacky at first, there are strong evidences that some of it's core points are true, there is no other way around this.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 04:15:26 2021 No.18053368

>>18053296
Most internet users are only using heavily censored platforms. Those that are not censored are full of shills and iridescent African Americans. The only reason we can have this conversation so easily is because we're on a slow board.
I don't personally think fascism will work well in our time, but if you want to try I would recommend a more low-tech recruiting method. A dozen men who know each other well and are willing to put in work are better than a hundred /pol/acks. Once you have chapters in multiple areas, then you can coordinate on your own encrypted IRC.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 04:19:40 2021 No.18053386 >>18053303 The only reason straight men ever join a Marxist group is the women are all degenerate sluts.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 04:32:54 2021 No.18053425

It's really sad that the entire motivation for wanting to take Evola down, stems not from his main notable works (Revolt and Ride), but from Men among the Ruins, where he discusses the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and states that while there's certainly doubt about their authenticity, there's no doubt about how they match up with reality.
And even the most leftist, ardent anti-fascist (who ignores Evola was practically apolitical and legally cleared of all charges saying otherwise), has to wonder why an obscure aristocrat who was largely only read in new-age occult circles for the better part of 50 years in the English-speaking world suddenly needs to be tackled relentlessly on an Anime imageboard's literature board.
Not to mention the obvious Jewish author writing this. I mean, surely you can see that they are emotionally and politically invested in this beyond the actual relevance of Evola himself?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 04:41:20 2021 No.18053450 >>18049052 absolutely soulless take, no suprise ur also a homosexual

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 04:44:20 2021 No.18053456 >>18053425 This

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 05:07:54 2021 No.18053527 >>18053067 >they all hated the aristocracy Evola was literally a baron of the Kingdom of Italy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 05:10:37 2021 No.18053536 >>18045285 Perennialism is perfect for a sissified age when truth can no longer be considered discriminatory.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 05:25:28 2021 No.18053578 >>18053067 >Does De Maistre come up in this book? He doesn't, no.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 05:36:15 2021 No.18053618 >>18053425 Ressentiment

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 05:54:59 2021 No.18053700 >>18053578 Oh, so it's a meme book and I can safely ignore it, then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 05:56:49 2021 No.18053706 >>18053067 have you heard of "reactionary"?

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 05:59:21 2021 No.18053715

>>18045285
>Why is traditionalism being picked up as a new boogeyman when it's a niche within a niche?

Same reason incel became an insult instead of a word a group of people use to describe themselves, the public needs an enemy, and the more obscure and powerless the enemy *in fact* is, the better. Liberal society constantly needs a new public enemy to keep itself politically stable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:03:13 2021 No.18053733 File: 50 KB, 700x500, 1617799294679.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18045285 >Teitelbaum i dont wanna see this anymore. I wanna go back into the matrix. Also, check out his resume: https://www.colorado.edu/music/benjamin-r-teitelbaum

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:10:49 2021 No.18053760

>>18053715
>Liberal society constantly needs a new public enemy to keep itself politically stable.

Is this their solution to the Schmittian problem of depoliticized societies being wiped away by political entities? I guess rerouting the political to non-threatening avenues might be easier and smarter than trying to stamp it out altogether.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:13:51 2021 No.18053772 >>18053706 I know De Maistre is more accurately classified as a reactionary than a "traditionalist." The trouble is that he is often lumped in with Evola and the others, despite his dissimilarity to the rest of them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:15:11 2021 No.18053776 >>18053733 Every. single. time. And that resume reads like a parody on the jewish subversive intellectual lmao but no, it's rael

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:19:48 2021 No.18053798

>>18053067
>They all hated the aristocracy
No they didn’t
>and they hated the Church
No, Evola may have, Guenon was lukewarm on it
>and they wanted to be magicians and Sufis all so much else loopy bullshit
De Maistre was also fascinated with mysticism too, it’s a sign of the sad state of our times that you would denigrate people seeking a deeper approach to religion as ‘loopy’, it speaks to your facile understanding of the subject

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:19:49 2021 No.18053799 >>18053772 You literally brought him up, and you seem disappointed that he’s not mentioned in the book. Go away, you’re not talking about Traditionalist with a capital T, and it sounds like you’ve got an irrelevant bone to pick.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:20:36 2021 No.18053801
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>>18045797
>Have you read the book in the OP? It struck me as fairly sympathetic if anything.
Given how his resume is this>>18053733 im not going to assume its balanced rather than alarmist, and the title is off-putting.
But since youve read it, can you give a more in-depth review about it? Im willing to buy it (or at least read it) if its actually worth reading.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:30:18 2021 No.18053829 >>18053536 Isn't Perennialism discriminatory? Not every belief system is considered Traditional. Some are considered Cthonic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:33:11 2021 No.18053838 >>18053829 Yes, that's what he meant

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:33:33 2021 No.18053840 >>18053829 The perennialism of the Traditionalist school is discriminatory, general new-age perennialism is generally not

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:38:18 2021 No.18053852 >>18053358 Yeah, somehow I find it really hard to believe that a professor of Nordic studies who has spent years of his professional life hanging around skinhead bands is a hardcore social justice warrior.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:50:53 2021 No.18053890

>>18053760
I could see that with incels or NEETs, but some of the people they target are the most productive members of society. Conservative Christians, small business owners, straight white men in general, etc. They even went after a NASA scientist for wearing a 'sexist' shirt (which, it turns out, was made as a gift for him by a woman).
They create their own opposition when they do this. All they had to do was leave regular people alone and there would be no extreme right wing. It would still just be a few dozen stormfags reading The Turner Diaries and dreaming of a race war.
They just couldn't do it though. The one thing they cannot ever do is leave other people alone. I'm starting to suspect there is a literal genetic subset of the Puritan WASP/Ashkenazi population who are compelled to shit on their neighbors the way a bird is compelled to migrate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:54:33 2021 No.18053910 they're scared because they know that the eventuality is a western version of the taliban

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 06:58:03 2021 No.18053922 >>18053829 What beliefs or religions are considered Cthonic in Perennialism? I'm genuinely curious.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:00:50 2021 No.18053935

>>18053772
Not him, but I suspect that Reaction and Traditionalism would converge if you take them to their natural conclusions. If you follow HHH's understanding of natural law economics, for example, you end up with a kind of feudal monarchy bound by a High-Tory style covenant of duties. He also acknowledges that religious unity would be required to make it work, so orthodoxy would be a key factor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:02:08 2021 No.18053945 >>18053922 Shamanism, earth worship, mother cults, probably more but its been a while since ive read guenon

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:03:07 2021 No.18053948

>>18053890
It always "perplexed" me, if I may be so cheeky, how the methodology that is often used to explain phenomena by way of analyzing the factors that the researchers perceive to be the roots of these phenomena ("criminals do crime because of their milieu, not because of any predilection towards violence being a thing") is completely reversed when it's time to talk about the TRULY icky people. Right-wing extremism just appears out of thin air, by way of diabolic heresiarchs spreading their satanic gospel among the intellectually impaired and the crypto-criminal elements of society, rather than being the end result of the breakdown and atomization of society, of importing millions of 80 IQ arabs and niggers, of economical stagnation and cultural degeneration, etc.

It's when you're not allowed to inquire about the factors giving rise to particular phenomena that you know you're treading where - some people - don't want you to tread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:03:19 2021 No.18053949 >>18045285 >2021 >people still conflate the Traditionalism of the Perennial Philosophy with the tradition of conservatism and reaction

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:03:27 2021 No.18053950

>>18053829
Barely. If Christianity Islam Buddhism Hinduism Judaism Jainism etc etc are all muh based and true perennialism then it is clear that perennialists are not concerned with truth. muh 12 false new age hippies doing mushrooms doesn't change that

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:06:20 2021 No.18053960 >>18053910 Literally the opposite of Taliban. It's western new age but only established religions are allowed which means it's not new age because it's not cringe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:08:02 2021 No.18053969 >>18053950 Traditionalists all secretly hate jews and hate religions other than their own but try to seek compromise to fight against modernity

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:08:57 2021 No.18053973 >>18053922 >>18053945 Most "animistic" beliefs. Most perennialists seem to hold the Abrahamic, Indo-European and Oriental religions as non-chthonic, but not all agree with one another.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:09:22 2021 No.18053976 >>18053798 I wonder if people who mock mysticism have ever sat still for half an hour and meditated? Don't get me wrong, I think most of /x/ are just smoking too much weed, but there's no harm in actually trying things to see if they work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:12:21 2021 No.18053989 File: 839 KB, 1284x943, cult of the supreme being.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18053960 you act as if there were never attempts to form a new major religion within the last couple of centuries

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:12:51 2021 No.18053990 >>18053976 meditation without God is just self-indulgence

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:14:11 2021 No.18053994 >>18053969 kek surprisingly accurate

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:20:05 2021 No.18054015 File: 60 KB, 410x603, F030F983-8A0B-41BD-B903-D61EE3F3F705.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18053950 >Buddhism >Jainism retroactively refuted by Sri Shankaracharya (pbuh)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:22:18 2021 No.18054021 >>18053989 Unironically more based and honest than perennialism.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:27:02 2021 No.18054044

>>18053948
They kind of try a similar thing with the low-class members. "Poor, uneducated people look for answers in the far-right because they don't know any better." When it comes to the intellectual leaders, though, they have to be portrayed as pure evil. Ironically, this actually gives them a kind of seductive appeal.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:27:37 2021 No.18054046
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>>18045285
Because Traditionalism spoken in their sense is quintessantially European in the sense that I think Geunon and Evola were picking up the pieces of destroyed Western mysticism in a society that had been perverted by jews and materialism even in studying modern day occultism one is faced with the fact much of it is derivative from jewish kabbalah which means even if you were to rebel against modern day soulless society you would find yourself caught in a trap of adopting jewish esoterism or eastern esoterism which is alien to most europeans.

It is the boogeyman because the Satanic jews have basically equated any type of proper spiritual stuctures as rigid, oppressive and nazi in practice and spirit. Becuase they own the minds of the masses for 80+ years through indoctrination and propaganda people are unable to discern what might be a negative right wing belief system or something that brings about a properly disciplinary spirit of the people, chief among them is rejecting blind tolerance, rejection of athiesm and communist beliefs, rejection of "basedence" by authority, the realization that the power stems from the people and the land and that Hitler wasnt a racist but rather a race realist.

Its a tough battle because the biggest hurdle you have to make when redpilling people and yourself is realizing that the haulocaust is a lie and your own countries have been perverted by neo-marxist rhetoric that has become normalized and entrenched in the thinking of the masses. An insidious invasion of a mind virus that cuases its victims to deny reality and defend their own slavery to vice and falsehoods.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:30:02 2021 No.18054057 >>18053950 You have to follow the most Orthodox versions of them though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:30:11 2021 No.18054058 >>18053976 Meditation is a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:32:32 2021 No.18054067 >>18053969 Compromising on religion for muh political reasons is essentially globohomo. "Everything that is not expressively anti-liberal will accept all the liberal views in a few decades" or whatever the go to Conservative quote is.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:35:32 2021 No.18054078

>>18045285
>hey little kid, look at this cover full of bad guys, you know what they are? they're FASCISTS! I'll show you the sociological reasons that explain why they're trendy in Western countries, but you already know that the people who like them are uncultured monkeys (ssst, this is a secret between me and you, don't say that, otherwise we'll sound fascists too) but especially they're WHITE and MALES! so BAD!!! come and read me, it'll be fun ;-)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:37:00 2021 No.18054083 >>18053990 Atheism is stupid , but I'd still rather people meditate whether or not they believe in God. It's far better to live among people with self control.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:45:39 2021 No.18054118

>>18046020
I fundamentally agree with your characterization of liberals and I understand your concerns about posthumanism and even more so about eliminating those parts of society that impeded accumulation/maximizing capital. But your last conclusion makes no sense to me. It's a historical fact that trans people have existed longer than the written word has (consider India, Thailand and Italy which all had 'third genders' for thousands of years).

It seems to me you're making a missstep: the deconstruction of gender is not the birth of transgenderism, it is rather the rational, positivist legitimation of transgenderism, because when facing accelerating capitalism, everyone and everything needs to justify it's own existence akin to new terms.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:47:52 2021 No.18054124

>>18046043
People typically don't blame the right wing for that at all. Liberals usually blame oppression while leftists blame material circumstances.

The postmodern is a human condition, not a coherent philosophy. Most writers you consider Pomo were not advocating for it, but rather describing it for the first time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:49:50 2021 No.18054133 >>18046055 >The US in the 60s and 70s was all white Imagine being this fucking retarded. /pol/acks literally leak brain fluid.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:53:08 2021 No.18054150

>>18046526
I think Evola is interesting as a character, but honestly all of that sounds like mysticist bullshit.

We only need to understand Buddhist metaphysics and everything will magically order itself? You'd have to be retarded to genuinely believe this

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:56:55 2021 No.18054165 >>18048063 Yeah, because french people (europeons in general) read. And sometimes even books. While in the anglosphere the only way to reach people is via TikTok Dances, streaming fortnite, or being in a commercial during wrestling break.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 07:58:36 2021 No.18054174

>>18054046
i agree that the traditionalists were sort of modern in the sense that they kind of rejected their own actual western traditions, but have one look at /pol/ and you would know that the whole "retvrn to tradition" thing has been a huge joke, especially due to their adopting of old pagan beliefs instead of actual christianity. race and culture is important, but fundamentaly, the message of God transcends race and culture, but qhen you invert it and say "Race and Culture transcends god", then you become like Jews, arrogant and subversive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:00:03 2021 No.18054181 Traditionalism is even more retarded than kazinskism. Thinking returning to ways of living that were verifiably awful for 99% of people is a solution to nothing.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:00:59 2021 No.18054189

>>18045322
In order to control narratives you need to erase history, or revise it to suit your ends. Fascism (and more importantly, Western Conservatism) is one of the many action arms of a greater ideology, but it derives a lot of its meaning and justification FROM traditionalism. So in attacking traditionalism, you raze the fields upon which it subsists.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:01:33 2021 No.18054193 >>18049636 >The book is about x and has y agenda No, you retarded imbecile. Literally everything you said about the book is wrong. Even itt you could have found posts describing its contents. Just shut the fuck up if you're uninformed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:03:26 2021 No.18054199 >>18046586 I concur with this post. Elaborate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:05:06 2021 No.18054212 >>18054181 >verifiably awful Prove it, I'll wait, oh wait, you can't, because anthropologists have struggled with the question for years and unlike you some of them while misled are not retarded

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:09:13 2021 No.18054233

>>18054118
I think you are mistaking what I am saying. Of course transgenderism has existed before, but it has existed in multiple different cultural contexts, and often those contexts had something to do with being a sacred-pariah, containing a spiritual element that is alien to, what I guess we could call the "scientific-transgenderism" of the kind popularly endorsed within the west in the present day.
I made a point about liberalism instrumentalizing as opposed to creating, and that should be kept in mind. They tend gardens, they pull weeds, but they don't plant seeds. Some sacred hermaphrodite from India 3000 years existed in a fundamentally different culture where their hermaphroditism was conceived as a union of opposites, rather than a denial of them.

But this is getting a little beside the point, which is basically nothing liberalism employs to strengthen itself has its origins within itself, so naturally this applies to transgenderism too.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:11:09 2021 No.18054241

>>18053319
To most people Evola and Guenon probably figure as mentally ill losers, similarly to how a liberal would view Zizek or Fisher. Unless you're a low-status, socially outcast edgelord loser even figures like Bannon will have little draw. I don't think that appeal you are conjuring is inherent, it only resonates with particular personalities.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:14:50 2021 No.18054261

>>18053386
The only reason?

What about the 40 hour work week, ever heard of that? It was fought for with the blood of (mostly) white men and women. The same goes for virtually all improvements in labor rights and conditions. You think capitalists just freely give up part of their profits? White, straight men organizing and standing up for their specific needs is literally the core of Western labor movements.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:15:56 2021 No.18054266 >>18053425 >Evola >Apolitical Imbecile. I can't even fathom how one could be so dumb.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:17:10 2021 No.18054273 File: 17 KB, 400x400, 1495832200792.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sneed

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:18:18 2021 No.18054280 >>18054241 Why does every journalist researching them treat them like evil genius supervillains then? They are middle class people with active social lives, but they experience the same attraction.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:18:43 2021 No.18054282

>>18053319
People are attracted to violence and power of will. Anything that has this will always be more attractive to people in their heart of hearts. Liberal and leftist ideology use violence out of necessity, but are married to an ugly wife in their ideology that they call "peace".
>>18054241
Most people don't care about any of this. The ones who do care always idealize some violent nationalist movement of some kind, however. White liberals/leftists love to try and worm their way into black nationalist movements, for instance.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:19:40 2021 No.18054288

>>18054181
The living conditions you are referring to are material, while it is the spiritual and social ones that people like Guenon and Evola were referring to. They werent luddites in the sense that they want people to stop using antibiotics, not use vaccines and not brush their teeth anymore.
Though Guenon does refer to wage labour as demonic slavery, so of course there is a material side to it, but its not the predominant one.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:20:15 2021 No.18054294

>>18054233
>I think you are mistaking what I am saying. Of course transgenderism has existed before, but it has existed in multiple different cultural contexts, and often those contexts had something to do with being a sacred-pariah, containing a spiritual element that is alien to, what I guess we could call the "scientific-transgenderism" of the kind popularly endorsed within the west in the present day.

There's this Hungarian traditionalist called Hamvas Béla that's trendy around here who wrote quite a lot about religious transgenderism IIRC. The crux of the issue is that antique "transgenderism" was seen as something that transcends both man and woman, a union that makes halves whole, or as a sort of hieros gamos or liberation of the self from illusions, while contemporary transgenderism is not the transcendence of both man and woman but the utter failure of both masculine and feminine, it doesn't transcend either, but rather, "goes under" both of them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:21:51 2021 No.18054299 >>18054058 You never got first the past Jhana if you're still thinking in terms of "wastes of time"

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:22:26 2021 No.18054303 >>18054046 Double digit IQ take.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:25:44 2021 No.18054321

>>18054150
>We only need to understand Buddhist metaphysics and everything will magically order itself? You'd have to be retarded to genuinely believe this
That poster was actually mocking Guenon’s preference for Vedanta (Hindu metaphysics) over Buddhism. Advaita Vedanta refuted Buddhism so badly that Buddhistcucks on /lit/ cope by saying “nuh uh, Advaita Vedanta actually is Buddhism so it doesn’t matter that Shankara rekt Buddhism”

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:26:22 2021 No.18054325

>>18054261
>You think capitalists just freely give up part of their profits?
Yes. The post-industry economy meant longer working hours actually drained their profits more, and they cram more profit into smaller labor hours. This is commonly accepted in modern economic theory. Longer working hours are considered less profitable, hence the proliferation of the casual labor pool in many Western nations (which receive much fewer hours than were originally required many years ago).

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:27:27 2021 No.18054331 >>18054321 > Advaita Vedanta refuted Buddhism so badly Oh God not you again

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:28:24 2021 No.18054337 >>18054181 Ask me how I know you have no idea what is meant by Traditionalism

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:31:14 2021 No.18054350

>>18054124
>People typically don't blame the right wing for that at all. L
You have not been paying attention to recent politics.
>The postmodern is a human condition, not a coherent philosophy.
Wrong. Post-structuralism epitomizes this tendency, which was a positive assertion made by certain pomos.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:31:39 2021 No.18054352 File: 33 KB, 680x763, 53DAB168-518B-4BFB-920D-F5D0E657CD51.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18054331 Yes, it is me

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:32:18 2021 No.18054353

>>18054233
Thanks for the reply, your post gave me some hope and I do agree, I misread you. I haven't had a decent exchange of opinions in this place in the last 5 years or so (I visit only twice or thrice a year). Good to know that not everyone is a completely retarded imbecile. Ever since election tourism the state of discourse went from shit to unbearable.

I preferred 4chan when it was a cesspool of mentally ill elitists, egalitarian in a way as it featured tankies, furries, bronies, race realists, nazbols, shizos, femboys and virtually everyone else on the ideological spectrum. Nowadays it's just the same old tired talking points, the same memes circulating, the culture has become 100% masturbatory, nothing new or interesting is ever being said, no one reads, discourse stays the same, everything is amalgamated into vaguely right wing talking points, the website is getting commodified by huge media outlets and the last patches of sincerity are eradicated.

So thanks for making me feel like old-school board culture, bad as it was, was alive again for 5 seconds.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:34:10 2021 No.18054362 >>18054280 Because they're self important and treating their subjects as literal Hitler's gives themselves a better case, easy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:35:38 2021 No.18054368 >>18045285 >Guénon is now alt right meme for normies NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:36:16 2021 No.18054373 >>18054294 Out of curiosity, do you deny there is a biological component to transgenderism, or do you think it's merely some kind of spook forced on people by 'the globohomo media' or whatever?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:36:40 2021 No.18054378 File: 9 KB, 460x276, Nassim-Taleb-008.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18045351 Imbecile

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:39:11 2021 No.18054381 >>18054261 Labour Unions predate Marxism. Even medieval workers had guilds. Marxist class theory doesn't even map onto post-industrial society, but the trappings of revolution make the perfect cool kids club.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:42:46 2021 No.18054401

>>18054325
This is empirically wrong you retard. Hundreds if not thousands of people were beaten to death or died in accidents protesting for lower hours. The same goes for child labor, by the way. Or again virtually any other improvement in conditions. Read a book on industrialization before spewing uneducated shit.

Read up on the French February revolution in 1848. Inmost cases lesser hours were only accepted as a way to fight communists, yielding to demands was a way to rob the movement of steam. Have you ever heard of Bismarck? This was literally his entire goal vis a vis socialism.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:45:45 2021 No.18054414

>>18054401
Read my post again.
If anything, those protests actually slowed progression to the post-industrial phase down, so they were actually sabotaging themselves and paving the way to fascist reactions, along with a much slower increase in overall conditions.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:46:15 2021 No.18054421

>>18054381
Your first statement is definitely true. It is also true, by the way, that communism predates Marxism. Both of these true statements are irrelevant to my post however. Work hours mostly become relevant with industrialization, at which point many (not all, not even most) unions were socialist.

The fact that socialists had a major part improving work hours (as did non socialist activists) is an empirical truth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 08:52:14 2021 No.18054453 >>18054299 I haven't got past first Jhana either, but no way is it a waste of time. Mindfulness is about the most useful thing you can have, even without Samatha.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 09:31:27 2021 No.18054655

>>18054362
That achieves the opposite of their goals though. Making an obscure writer into a supervillain only ensures that more people will read them and take them seriously, increasing their influence. For a journalist to do that, they have to either be too stupid to see the consequences or secretly attracted to the figure in question. As tempting as it is to just dismiss all journos as stupid, they do actually have to have some understanding of how soft power works to get published in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 09:39:15 2021 No.18054697 >>18054655 I think you spend too much time inside. These obscure authors are not considered cool, and anyone who is considered cool by normal people is very careful to hide the fact that they have these interests.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 09:41:37 2021 No.18054706 >>18046055 This is bait

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 09:43:51 2021 No.18054715 >>18054181 You have no idea about the subject of which you are talking.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 09:45:04 2021 No.18054722 >>18054421 Socialist =/= Marxist Marxists are about the worst people you could have in a workers movement, because they don't actually want better conditions. It's just a smokescreen to agitate for revolution.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 09:55:08 2021 No.18054775

>>18054697
No serious writer is considered cool by normal people, because normal people don't read. Even among people who do read, though, Traditionalist writers were largely unknown until they got signal boosted by people trying to link them to the evil far right.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 10:06:17 2021 No.18054816

>>18054775
Perhaps I failed to make my point clear. There is something of a consensus in our societies, and that consensus is liberal, though not necessarily completely progressive. Anything outside of the liberal-progressive spectrum is considered anathema by basically everyone. The only difference is the nature and degree of the repugnance that people express for these ideas.
In other words, it is not hard to find people who think Jean-Paul Sartre, Karl Marx, Bertrand Russell, Richard Dawkins, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, or any other inoffensive thinker is cool, provided that you know how to go about it. It is almost impossible to find anyone who thinks that Julius Evola is cool, and anyone who feels that way would be ill advised to air his views publicly.
Basically, don't kid yourself. You are on the fringe. Your side is weak. Pretending that you are stronger than you are will not help you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 10:12:13 2021 No.18054847 >>18045351 >shitting on Taleb Stay poor faggot

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 10:25:53 2021 No.18054911

>>18046055
>the nuclear family
Is the opposite of tradition, it's the result of American capitalist modernism and was formed when in a world where a single blue collar worker could support a family of five (50s - 1974) and atomisation into productive units geared towards pure profit actually made sense.
A traditional family is more like what you'll see in a Mexican or Pacific Islander household: a massive and tightly knit family unit spanning multiple generations all under one roof.
What you're describing is just conservatism. Traditionalists want to turn back centuries, not 60 years ago, it's why Evola hated "modernity" back before your American golden age even began.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 10:30:55 2021 No.18054934

>>18049636
I seriously doubt it, traditionalism is way too dense and academic to be mainstream (traditionalist would say this is a good thing), and there's no immediate traditionalist big bad wolf you can point to and fear like with fascism or Marxism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 10:35:16 2021 No.18054952 >>18054934 >and there's no immediate traditionalist big bad wolf What? Evola is basically that big bad wolf now if you read his wiki.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 10:36:44 2021 No.18054958 File: 448 KB, 955x555, evb3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18054816 >anyone who feels that way would be ill advised to air his views publicly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 10:38:38 2021 No.18054966 >>18054952 It's a bit harder to demand the average person go research some obscure Italian who believes in magic than to just point at Nazi Germany or the USSR and say "they killed millions".

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 10:41:22 2021 No.18054976 >>18054958 I suspect that you've taken this quote out of context. Does he tell his followers to expose themselves to the enemy wherever possible, or does he tell them to be discreet and do their best to survive in a hostile world?

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 10:44:14 2021 No.18054986

>>18054976
He tells them not to dissolve their individuality and always maintain one's own dignity without compromise. Obviously this quote is not intended to promote suicide bombing, the point is that you shouldn't be hiding what you are because it is cowardly and bourgeois.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 10:44:31 2021 No.18054988 >>18054368 You did this Guenonfag

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 10:48:50 2021 No.18055008
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>>18045285
Well, the truth is more than you think it looks like. Sun revolves around the center of our galaxy. Do you ever stop to think of that? Yet your entire life depends on it. If you do not succumb nothing will happen. If you do, you will have a bigger understanding. But in the end, the accumulated risk will escape its cage. This is when Dyonisios comes. An ancient prophecies. Come to think about it, Jesus is stoic or cynic embodiment of Dyonisios, the wine god. Remember, "this wine is my blood, drink it". Part of the Eucharist. It's all interconnected. Islam extends these ideas without negating them, but ultimately falls victim to the underlying forces, causing a war that cuts through the heart of every Muslim. Mohammad could not have foreseen this, and of course, the prophet is blind without the force which illuminates him. The question is, where does that force come from? Is it enclosed within? Or does it originate from the external environment. These are the questions that await every man upon his birth. Great minds have struggled to answer them. Plato, Evola, Spinoza, Guenon, all died without the light.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 11:09:19 2021 No.18055124 >>18054266 Nice argument. Except he was literally put on trial for it and none of it stuck. Talking about the political sphere is not the same thing, retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 11:14:08 2021 No.18055149 File: 196 KB, 285x316, Screenshot_8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18046055 You type like a stormfront wigger,and stormfront wiggers smell

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 11:14:38 2021 No.18055153 >>18054816 Where the hell do you live where anyone who isn't liberal is an outcast? A lot of people are pretty open about being conservatives, even far-right, even though there is more leftists in the younger age group where I am.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 11:15:08 2021 No.18055157 >>18055124 he was put on trail for trying to revive fascism and pointed out that he was a monarchist and is much more anti democratic then fascism is and was acquitted

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 11:15:49 2021 No.18055162

>>18055153
Before you accuse me of being those I'm talking about, I am an immigrant and when i argued that immigration was good almost everyone disagreed with me. It's only universities where leftists are outcasts, I'd say the vast majority of white people outside universities are conservative

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 11:17:04 2021 No.18055167

>>18054911
Bullshit leftist argument. The vast majority of cultures, even those who have extended families, still have nuclear families as the primary unit. For example in Pakistan extended families may live together, but each man has a separate section for his wife and children

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 11:25:20 2021 No.18055195 >>18055157 I don't think you're making the point you think you're making. Read my initial post again, and stop nitpicking.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 11:26:31 2021 No.18055200

>>18055153
>>18055162
>Where the hell do you live where anyone who isn't liberal is an outcast?
Urban America.
>A lot of people are pretty open about being conservatives, even far-right, even though there is more leftists in the younger age group where I am.
You're either not an American or you live in a conservative state and/or area.
>Before you accuse me of being those I'm talking about, I am an immigrant and when i argued that immigration was good almost everyone disagreed with me.
You're in a bubble, dude. Where do you live, Texas?
>It's only universities where non-leftists are outcasts
Nah, dude. Lots of people on here talk about it, but basically if you're in any kind of high-status profession, you will be surrounded by liberals.
>I'd say the vast majority of white people outside universities are conservative
Look at the voting patterns, dude. A slight majority of whites are conservative, yes, but close to half of them are not.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 12:03:14 2021 No.18055433

>>18054816
Of course they're not acceptable. That's why I compared the perception of them to well written villains. If you acted like a Sith Lord in real life, you would be deeply unacceptable to society, but everyone is drawn to the Sith on a visceral level.
Not sure who you're talking to with the other stuff, given that I never said what side I'm on or how strong they are.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 12:07:40 2021 No.18055462 >>18054966 This. It's the right wing equivalent of trying to get people to fear Posadist nuclear war.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 12:12:02 2021 No.18055491 >>18054986 >not to dissolve their individuality Did he say this literally or is that your interpretation? Sounds like an odd thing for someone who praised Buddhism to say.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 12:19:59 2021 No.18055539 >>18055433 >but everyone is drawn to the Sith on a visceral level But that's wrong. Everyone is drawn to Luke Skywalker on a visceral level, with the exception of eccentrics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 12:55:45 2021 No.18055738 >>18055195 nice deflection

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 12:56:47 2021 No.18055746 >>18055200 >Urban America. Traditionalism might not be for you if you're a minority

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 12:59:31 2021 No.18055763 >>18045322 Traditionalism has a big presence on Twitter

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 13:10:25 2021 No.18055829 >>18045344 Filtered

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 13:17:58 2021 No.18055876 File: 16 KB, 414x319, 1618068166640.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18049636

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 13:19:08 2021 No.18055882 Guenonbros, I think is time to stop shitposting on the internet and join a tariqah, what do you think?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 13:21:14 2021 No.18055889 >>18055746 If you think that Traditionalism is about biological race, then you've been filtered.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 13:31:55 2021 No.18055944 >>18055882 It would be a very good thing, both for you and for this board.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 13:31:56 2021 No.18055945 >>18055539 Moral and intellectual, not visceral.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 15:39:45 2021 No.18056659 >>18055200 Conservative states and areas are half of America dipshit

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 16:34:17 2021 No.18057073

>>18054911
>Traditionalists want to turn back centuries
To be more precise, Traditionalists want life to be centered around what is eternal. The Middle Ages were the time when that was the case for civilized life in Europe, but that doesn't mean simply returning to that state is the goal. We can't even, that possibility is exhausted. The principles upon which the Middle Ages are the goal and they have to be somehow brought into the modern world.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 18:22:08 2021 No.18057756 >>18057073 Convert to islam

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 18:45:56 2021 No.18057924 >>18055539 Some people just want a red lightsaber or wear face paint like Darth Maul because they think it looks bad ass. Don't underestimate the appeal of aesthetics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 18:48:20 2021 No.18057945 >>18057756 No thanks, I don't like degeneracy

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 18:51:17 2021 No.18057971 >>18056659 They're most of America's land area, but not its population. >>18057924 They aren't very common.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 18:52:54 2021 No.18057984 >>18046055 >What's Fascism without Traditionalism? Literally nothing it´s LARP, that what it is, the nazis and mussolini, all of them were larpers, what´s the word for someone who larps a larper?

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 19:02:08 2021 No.18058054

>>18053890
>They create their own opposition when they do this. All they had to do was leave regular people alone and there would be no extreme right wing. It would still just be a few dozen stormfags reading The Turner Diaries and dreaming of a race war.

the thing, they have to justify their existence, or at least justify what they believe,
otherwise they don´t think they have the legitimacy to complain, so nowadays everyone is a nazi

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 19:15:45 2021 No.18058168 >>18046055 >What's Fascism without Traditionalism Fascism is a revolutionary progressive (in the original sense of the word) ideology, to a fascist, the nation is organic, the national can't go backwards to the glory days, only forwards.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 19:37:52 2021 No.18058332

>>18057924
Aesthetics is mainly what I'm talking about. A villain with a commanding presence, great prose style and seductive worldview can be more appealing than an equally well written hero. They offer the ultimate catharsis fantasy, because they embody all the passions that you suppress.
I'm not saying the far-right in general has this. No one really cares about William Pierce or James Mason, for example, despite them being as extreme as you can get. Every time you see a horrified liberal discuss Evola or Dugin, however, there is a glint of excitement in their eyes. They perk up at the lurid details of just how evil these men are, the same way one is invigorated by the unveiling of evil in good fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 19:38:58 2021 No.18058342 >>18057984 Metalarper?

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 19:43:35 2021 No.18058374

>>18058054
That's why I suspect it may be animal instinct. There is, after all, a shitty subset in every race of people; they are just shit in different ways. I wouldn't even be surprised if there is an in-group predator gene that just compels people to destroy their own country.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 19:45:06 2021 No.18058380 File: 261 KB, 983x1146, 1607781767561.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18058342 BIG BVLL LARPER

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 19:47:14 2021 No.18058397 >>18058168 Which past definition of progressive are you referring to? I have always understood fascism to be modern, but not progressive, as it bases its legitimacy in the reconstruction of a past ideal.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 19:53:54 2021 No.18058451

>>18054044
It's ironic because the idea of an educated, privileged, superior class who just happens to know best and leads through some sort of noblesse oblige as opposed to their own particular class interests is antithetical to any sort of Marxist analysis and also common sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 19:53:58 2021 No.18058453 >>18058397 I'm thinking social reform in response to material changes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 19:56:26 2021 No.18058467 >>18058453 >>18058397 Example, eugenics was a progressive policy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 19:58:31 2021 No.18058490 >>18058467 But all true traditional societies were eugenic in their own way too

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 20:10:21 2021 No.18058570

>>18054282
>White liberals/leftists love to try and worm their way into black nationalist movements, for instance.
It's always funny when left wingers who act like every time a white person breathes it's racist will bend over backwards trying to justify minority groups that basically behave like /pol/ IRL.
It's almost like they don't really consider brown people as human beings capable of agency (and therefore of being right or wrong), and just see them as pawns which only exist in relation to the moral neurosis of white people.
Stephen Colbert is really a poster child for this in my mind. He tries so hard to be one of the "good whites", but a permanent feature of his show is the black sidekick he pays to laugh at his jokes and make him look 'cool'. Somehow nobody in America even blinks at this, like blacks are just some sort of prop for white people to demonstrate how cultured and worldly they are.
Like sure, I'll complain about niggers being loud on the bus, but deep down that's because I actually consider them human beings and hold them to the same standards I would white people (or anybody, really). Now lots of rich white people act like even having standards for black behavior or expecting them not to act like belligerent monkeys is forcing some sort of racist white social construct. Truly a bizarre attitude to have.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 21:07:00 2021 No.18058990

>>18058570
>Now lots of rich white people act like even having standards for black behavior or expecting them not to act like belligerent monkeys is forcing some sort of racist white social construct. Truly a bizarre attitude to have.

the anglo man´s burden, the inability of critizicing brown pipo because the act of doing that destroys your own moral and philosophical framework (i.e racism, utilitarianism and internationalism)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 21:52:28 2021 No.18059306 >>18058490 How so? I can only think of Sparta. Maybe some kind of social Darwinism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 22:16:25 2021 No.18059469 >>18058990 Explain

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 22:17:42 2021 No.18059479 >>18059306 Sparta was an extreme, but I meant in the sense that anyone who wasn't either mentally or physically fit didn't make it. Only since modern medicine did that change, when even genetic failures could survive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 22:18:57 2021 No.18059489 >>18059469 there´s nothing to explain, you can see the real world for the explanation

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 23:05:32 2021 No.18059808 >>18058451 What do you see their analysis to be then? Are they looking at far-right leaders as incompressible class traitors? Or do they see them as Machiavellians manipulating the masses for their own class interest?

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 23:17:59 2021 No.18059907

>>18059808
? I'm referring to college educated liberal types who think they know best about the poor and rural. AS far as I can tell there is no authentic politics of the working class in America. Both sides of the political spectrum are just a puppet show to give the plebs some semblance of participatory democracy while the media manufactures consent.
Donald Trump is more like a Napoleon III type character, somewhat removed from any clear class loyalties and creating a freak-show coalition to flex on liberal bourgeoisie interests.
My personal analysis is that the ruling class in America needs to have the fear of god struck into them, the only way anything changes in that country is through blood sacrifice. Americans are sheep though so they won't do anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 23:23:09 2021 No.18059950 >>18053733 Fucking hell man. What the fuck is wrong with them? Why can't we just be left alone in peace?

Anonymous Mon Apr 19 00:28:01 2021 No.18060312

>>18059907
>My personal analysis is that the ruling class in America needs to have the fear of god struck into them, the only way anything changes in that country is through blood sacrifice.
Modern elites are bourgeois through and through. What separates them from pre-Enlightenment aristocracy was the aristocracy understood a sense of noblesse oblige. The modern elites sense of their obligation to the people is condescendingly telling the working class that they know what's good for them by banning smoking in restaurants, banning soda, and telling you to eat ze bugs and live in ze pod, and if you're not happy because of it, then that's your problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 19 00:45:21 2021 No.18060407 >>18045325 I read it, it's basically an extra long article about him hanging around with Bannon and trying to "connect the dots" between various right-wing figures. It barely gives explanation of Traditionalism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 19 02:05:41 2021 No.18060827 >>18060407 Fucking Bannon the attention whore, I don't know how many fucking retards think cringe nerd shit like gamergate lead to the far right resurgence because this faggot insists he's behind it all.

Anonymous Mon Apr 19 03:24:50 2021 No.18061138

>>18060312
Exactly. They're so out of touch that unless they fear the guillotine they'll never change. Most elites spend a year after uni working at a coffee shop, then the rest of their life pretending that any 30-something working at a coffee shop can do the same.

Ironically the difference between what we have now and the rigid class societies of the past isn't increased social mobility, it's less social solidarity. Class no longer exists so everything is the result of innate superiority and if you're not as smart and talented and hardworking as the rich then you deserve to fight over scraps with the rest of the lazy and entitled masses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 19 03:27:26 2021 No.18061157 >>18057971 Around half of the white population retard

Anonymous Mon Apr 19 04:05:01 2021 No.18061326

>>18045285
>Dogmatic and authoritarian theocrats are a new and special niche exclusive to 4chan and other such new and special contexts, not something forced by wealthy demagogues and the operatives of hostile governments.
Daily reminder that, like democratic republics, Renaissance and Enlightenment traditions also still exist, though in lamentably declining degree.
>>18060407
Of course it doesn't explain, since Traditionalism, as an -ism, is a fresh euphemism for the reactionary Right. It is all so tiresomely predictable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 19 04:25:10 2021 No.18061403 >>18058570 Why don't you complain about people/individuals being loud on the bus then? If you hold people of colour to the same standards, why do you have to bring race into your complaint?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 19 04:37:15 2021 No.18061441 >>18061403 It just rolls off the tongue so nice

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