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Which books are you reading to understand China. CIA/rising dragon/american red scare books don't count as good.

For me:
C.K. Lee
Minqi Li
Pun Ngai
Little Red Book
Red Star over China
On Contradiction
MLM Basic Course
Prison Notebooks

>> No.18007731

Why are Americans so scared of China?

>> No.18007759

>>18007731
I can't tell. But it is funny because it was pretty much Deng taking advantage of Reagan and freemarkets for China to rise above the USA. I can't barely decipher what goes on in the minds of Americans, they are muddled and incomprehensible.

>> No.18007776
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18007776

What books are you reading to understand the psychology of obnoxious discord shills who constantly spam threads in a pathetic attempt to shift public opinion on a Finnish ice-fishing forum for a government who only nominally represents their ideology and in no way represents their interests?

>> No.18007785

>>18007727
>CIA/rising dragon/american red scare books don't count as good
why?

>For me:
>C.K. Lee
>Minqi Li
>Pun Ngai
>Little Red Book
>Red Star over China
>On Contradiction
>MLM Basic Course
>Prison Notebooks
ahh, that's why

>> No.18007821

>>18007785
the authors I listed constantly critique China, but not from a hysterical fear

>> No.18007827

Why China Bad published by Brookings Institute
Why China Good published by Fan Dui Mei Guo Xuan Chuan Chu Ban She

>> No.18007843

>>18007727
Deng Xiaoping CW

>> No.18007986

>>18007727
you dont read books to understand chine, you go on twitter

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This is a CIA book -- as in written on the U.S. institutional side -- but it's a legitimate good one and not a Red Scare one.

t.

https://youtu.be/ojpN6PjRcQc?t=970

>> No.18008193

Also Maurice Meisner

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Also start reading

https://monthlyreview.org/

>> No.18008399

This is far from a complete list but these are the works I would suggest someone start with. It’s a little short on modern books which reflects my lack of reading in the area, but these will give you a good background.

> Confucius - Analects
> Mencius
> Zhuangzi- Chuang Tzu: Basic Writings
> The Lotus Sutra
> The Highest Order of Cultivation and on the Practice of the Mean
> The Art of War
> Tao Te Ching
> The Four Classic Novels (this is hard mode, at least an abridged version or reading synopses is better than nothing though due to the number of contemporary references to them, particularly Journey to the West)
> Little Red Book
> Yan’an Talks on Literature and Art
> It’s useful to have at least a fundamental understanding of Marxism before looking at Maoism, so at least the Manifesto if you’re in a rush
> Poets of the Chinese Revolution (largely focuses on dissident communist thinkers in China but does have a section on Maoism)
> The Languages of China by Ramsey (a little dry but helpful to understand the cultural and linguistic background of China)
> Outline of Classical Chinese Grammar by Pulleyblank (so you can read the Tao Te Ching in the original)
> Beijing Comrades
> Finish up with the Three Body Problem books because they’re a good time

I wish I could recommend a good and comprehensive history of China, but I don’t have one that runs from the earliest settlement of the area through the 20th century. I think once you throw Maoism into the mix it becomes difficult to find an objective historical analysis. When reading any of these texts, try to do a little research on the period to understand the political context.

Confucianism is whack in my opinion but also extremely influential on Chinese thought, so understanding it is critical.

>> No.18008432

>>18007731
america has operated as needing a "common enemy" in order to suppress more urgent domestic anxieties for the past century

>> No.18008710

>>18008200
Love it. Got a paper subscription even though it's free online

>> No.18008715

>>18008200
monthly review is peak

>> No.18008733

>>18008399
Cool list thanks for sharing

>> No.18008737

>>18008399
>I wish I could recommend a good and comprehensive history of China, but I don’t have one that runs from the earliest settlement of the area through the 20th century.
Do you know any good ones that go up til the Yuan Dynasty? I’ve been looking and the only ones I can find are either pop history or in Chinese.

>> No.18008743

I've heard people mention Jiang Shigong a lot

>> No.18009465

>>18008743
Chinese New Left and Neo-Maoism is increasingly important. I hope it is allowed to developed because at some point China must turn away from neoliberalism and develop Socialism

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18009685

I'm reading this.

>> No.18009735

>>18007731
Partly social engineering like
>>18008432
partly that americans honestly believe in some deranged manifest destiny and that any force that competes with the US as a global hegemon must necessarily be evil. This extends across party lines