[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/lit/ - Literature

View post   
File: 198 KB, 1200x1200, bar.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
18000005 No.18000005 [Reply] [Original]

How can we get people to read better literature and consume better art? Every single time this thread is made everyone is pessimistic and say it isn't possible and that the masses are doomed.

>> No.18000029

Why do you care about what the masses do? It would be better for everyone if they were illiterate.

>> No.18000040

>>18000005
first you have to define and measure the quality of the literature

>> No.18000056

>>18000040
Bloom already did that
>>18000029
Why do I care that all the people around me are low iq drooling retards?

>> No.18000069

I don't have an answer but I think the approach is mostly about instilling a sense of curiosity in people. Most will go "oh I don't have time for that I'm too busy", but what this really translates to is "I'd rather spend what free time I have watching Netflix or something". You somehow have to convince them that literature will benefit them more than Netflix. How to do that exactly, I don't know.

>> No.18000089

>>18000005
>Every single time this thread is made everyone is pessimistic
and they're always right

>> No.18000090

>>18000005
People are slaves to their genetics. If they are genetically predisposed to be dumb then they will be dumb. If they are genetically predisposed to having intellectual curiosity then they will be intellectual curious. Stop glorifying human beings we are an undignified species dragged forward by a few extraordinary individuals.

>> No.18000111

>>18000089
I'm optimistic about PewDiePie getting kids to read

>> No.18000257

>>18000005
Let me guess, you read fiction.

>> No.18000277

>>18000090
you probably blame your shortcomings on genetics too.

>> No.18000282

>>18000056
>Why do I care that all the people around me are low iq drooling retards?

Yes. Why do you care?

>> No.18000308

>>18000277
Yeah. And my strengths. That’s the crux of my argument you twit.

>> No.18000342

>>18000005
The way to get people to read better literature and consume better forms or art, is to have children, and read to them as children. And instead of always reading them stupid stories that have no meaning to them at all, read them things that aren't pointless. Teach them about literary arts. Buy them books. Take them to museums and art galleries. Teach them the histories. Adults aren't going to change over the things that they like, so the best way to remedy this is to have children and start there. Being a good parent that's not totally whacked out and only wants to teach their kids what's "in" is how we can reintroduced things of actual culture.

>> No.18000368

>>18000308
Genetics may play a part, but, you know, you can always take things into your own hands and do things differently. You can genetically inherit something, like a personality trait, and you know, break that chain. Kinda like I did with my addiction. Addiction ran in my family for years. I am only of the only ones who broke the chain and got clean. You do realize that you don't have to be a slave to your genetics, right? Unless it's a disease like Schizophrenia or Diabetes. That was quite a dumb statement, my friend.

>> No.18000406

>>18000368
You’re a drug addict your opinion is less than worthless

>> No.18000411

>>18000282
Would you care if everyone around you turned into down syndrome people

>> No.18000582

>>18000005
You didn't like the new superhero movie?

>> No.18000588

>>18000005
>How can we get people to read better literature and consume better art?

Simple. YOU create better literature and better art. If you aren't willing to do this, then shut the fuck up.

>> No.18000601

>>18000069
>I don't have an answer but I think the approach is mostly about instilling a sense of curiosity in people. Most will go "oh I don't have time for that I'm too busy", but what this really translates to is "I'd rather spend what free time I have watching Netflix or something". You somehow have to convince them that literature will benefit them more than Netflix. How to do that exactly, I don't know.
Yes. And you have to do it in a way that looks like reading good literature isn't a shore.

>>18000588
>Simple. YOU create better literature and better art. If you aren't willing to do this, then shut the fuck up.
Why is it OK to promote shitty art but it is wrong to promote good art, unless you are a Tolstoy-level genius who can do amazing art?

>> No.18000622

>>18000406
Retarded and gay reply. Couldn’t imagine being such a weak willed little faggot like yourself.

Yikes.

>> No.18000639

>>18000040
Would you say The Fault in Our Stars and Anna Karenina are of the same quality?

>> No.18000685

>>18000622
Once more, you lack the ability to asset control over your own actions, and as such any opinion you have on anyone else is redundant until you get your own house in order, making your opinion utterly worthless. Even if you manage to stop taking drugs regularly the best you can ever say is “at least I’m not a total fuckup and failure of a human being, like I used to, when I was a slave to drugs”. Pathetic.

>> No.18000797

>>18000685
You typed all that out little man?

Yikes.

>> No.18000810

>>18000797
Yeah. That’s why the text appeared on the screen. Are you too high to work it out? Sorry to disappoint you junkie but the reason your upset is because you’ve based your self esteem on the fact that you “overcame” your addiction. It’s pathetic, and you should get back on drugs ASAP. Hopefully you’ll overdose and the world will be one scumbag lighter.

>> No.18000875

>>18000342
this

>> No.18000948

>>18000005
>How can we get people to read better literature and consume better art?
Through vtubers.

>> No.18001080

>>18000810
based schizo posting

>> No.18001086

>>18000005
>How can we get people to read better literature and consume better art?
Your premise is shoddy.
Why do we need to get people to read better literature and consumer better art?

>> No.18001239

I hate poptimism and the widespread intolerance for anything deemed "gatekeeping" or "elitism". Our critics are politicized and incapable of discerning good from garbage, to them WAP is worthy of accolades. Expertise has died alongside attention spans with the rise of the Web 2.0 and mediocre "content creators". Art is dead. Culture is dead. People are all too glad to consume shitty art, a great artist would not be valued or funded, he'd be drowned out in all the noise. It's ogre.

>> No.18001360

>>18000810
Go take a melatonin or something pipsqueak!

>> No.18001861

>>18000005
Some like this and some like that. Not a big problem.

>> No.18001888

>>18000257
Non-fiction is fiction, but worse.

>> No.18001914

the real problem is ppl who think they understand art itt and still say shit like
>benefit
>culture
>consume
>meaning

>> No.18002030

>>18000005
If you don't like talking to someone, stop talking to them.
If you don't enjoy hanging out with your "friends," stop hanging out with them.
Spend more time working and less time complaining about what normal, hardworking people do with their time.

>> No.18002157

>>18002030
I really hate this "libertarian" kind of thinking.
People becoming tasteless and some trash such as WAP becoming popular is a bad thing.

>> No.18002229

>>18002030
they are destroying the culture

>> No.18002284
File: 332 KB, 2129x921, 33825675-C3FD-46E7-96B9-89CD6453C878.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
18002284

>>18000005
Because I guarantee that normies will find a way to make it uncool and we will start to hate it.

>> No.18003546

>>18000005
unironically embrace dark academia.

Who gives a shit if someone is reading Dostoyevsky aesthetically? If you actually believe that literature is powerful, you'll be okay with people reading great literature for any reason because it will still affect them.

The truth is that it's impossible to know the "right" reasons to read a book before you've read that book. So why worry so much about getting books in hands by saying whatever you have to tell people?

I mean, can anybody here deny that when they first started reading seriously, they didn't have any egoistic reasons for doing so? And didn't that have to do with the fact that great books had a certain prestige associated with them? There's nothing wrong with that, we should be encouraging society to fetishize learning and literature a little bit -- and the smart people who get in for those reasons will figure it out eventually

>> No.18003568

>>18000056
retarded culture begets retards, enlightened culture begets enlightened communities. You will die some day, and if all the enlightenment and beauty you found in life dies with you, and you never went to bat for the propagation of those values, then what was the point?

>> No.18003572
File: 3.60 MB, 4912x4400, 1617995475992.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
18003572

>>18000005
>How can we get people to read better literature
And become better...bookcels?
Literature is useless,cope
Having sex>Literature
Bookcels got filtered by women

>> No.18003584

>>18002284
yeah, but there will always be a top crust reacting to the plebs. If pleb culture is better, patrician culture's counter response will be better too

>> No.18003827

>>18000090
You have the cuck gene

>> No.18004003

>>18000005
Let's focus on getting /lit/ to read at all first then we can worry about the masses

>> No.18004065

>>18001086
this. Reeks of pseudery and intellectual insecurity.

>> No.18004159

>>18002157
>>18002229
What are you going to do about it? Do you think that we got where we are today without anyone complaining or resisting? Not a single thing that anyone has done has been able to stem the tide. You'd do better to find inner peace and focus on developing an alternative to the things you hate. Open resistance is proven to be both futile and hazardous to your health.

>> No.18004162
File: 418 KB, 747x1417, 1365475090228.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
18004162

>>18000005
making and discussing good entry level charts. i know its always been 4chan's schtick to be like an elitist little club, but you gotta have a good way for interested people to get into literature. "start with the greeks" is a meme for a reason because its a terrible way to start and it can put a lot of people off.
picrel is still the standard /lit/ starterkit on the /lit/ wiki in the sticky. should that shit be updated? improved? havent seen anyone discuss this kinda shit.

>> No.18004285

>>18003546
Dunno man, I started reading The Fabled Western Canon after I noticed all these Donald Duck comics I liked best had a disclaimer that said "based on [a famous book]". So I guess >>18000342 Anyway, books and reading are still prestigious and fetishized, otherwise you wouldn't have people getting so pissy about their favourite YA being gatekept and accusing others of elitism.

>>18004003
Best post in the thread. Most people have never read and chances are they never will. Not that it means the proportion of people reading couldn't and shouldn't be higher, but it sure as hell won't be if (you), a person interested in the matter, are yourself sitting around browsing 4chan instead of picking a random book from one of those charts and actually reading it.

>> No.18004420

>>18001080
This is not based schizo posting. Don't misuse the label. It's important label. This guy is just a little bitch.

>> No.18004731

>>18000111
He should do that show more often, I though it was having a pretty good impact

>> No.18004792

>>18000282
Not him, but, when virtue is fashionable everybody wins, because everybody starts looking for win-win decisions instead of win-lose, there are many solutions waiting to be discovered, they can be discovered faster if many more people are helping you look for it.

A paragraph can change the future and present of humanity.

>> No.18005464

>>18004792
>Not him, but, when virtue is fashionable everybody wins
this is what the enlightenment believed and look how much of a fuck up that was.

>> No.18005480

>>18000005
Everything you reflect out into the world begins with you, anon. Wanna help bring back finer culture? Study it, produce it. Challenge those who wish for the opposite. At all times a personal rebellion.

>> No.18005648
File: 125 KB, 960x418, cropped-platos-academy-michelangelo1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
18005648

>>18002284
This is what secret societies were supposed to be for. Men of genuine intellectual significance have always worked through a private symposium.
The "public square" beloved of classical liberals never contributed a thing. Its only purpose is to let the masses pretend they are part of the conversation.

>> No.18005842
File: 54 KB, 580x978, St-2BChad-178x300.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
18005842

>>18003572
Positive feedback loop:
Women get rights/freedom > Women increase demands > Men simp > Women get more rights/freedom
Increased demand on men = more incels
Demands reach critical mass = even some chads become volcel
Incels have nothing to lose, so they become nihilists. Active nihilists destroy, while passive nihilists consoom.
Volcels become monks. Retain skills and knowledge from dying civilization.
Social order collapses. Alpha males take over and become kings. Compete with each other.
Women and workers are plentiful, but mental labour is hard to come by. Kings need monks to compete, so the church becomes the highest authority.
Church abolishes all women's rights.

>> No.18005852

>>18005464
Yeah, but virtue isnt fashionable chief, hasn’t ever been really, outside socialist countries where the governments pushed solidarity, peace, and cooperation.

>> No.18005853

>>18000005
>>18000000 answers it

>> No.18005885

>>18000005
>consume
There’s your problem. There is no ‘general’ higher culture to be acclimated to for the public and this aim is foolhardy. Education as such prevents the formation of movements in the arts (elite instruction, for natural elites) by stultification of outliers [criminal & genius]

>> No.18005949

>>18000005
Read Ezra Pound’s essays on how to read. We aren’t that doomed.

>> No.18005952

>>18000056
yes good question. Why do you surround yourself with low IQ drooling retards instead of joining a group of intellectuals. Are you perhaps one of the low IQ drooling retards hoping someone else with lift you up?

>> No.18005973

>>18005952
>intellectuals
Those are also low iq drooling retards

>> No.18005986

>>18000005
we have to write something really good but really accessible

>> No.18006310

>>18005852
virtue isn't fashionable because virtue is a purely individualistic notion.

>> No.18006314

>>18000005
Participate with people around you. Start local.

>> No.18006515

>>18000282
Because actions of the masses inherently affect you and your culture.