/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17987594]

Why is islam "holy" texts quality so poor? Quran is all the same repetitive uninteresting boring trash quite obviously written by a schizo for retarded bedouins. It's all angryand pointless ramblings. Sometimes it rehearses Bible stories and usually can't get them right. Their quality is also much poorer. Ahadith are even worse, except as unintentional comedy material.
All in all that's probably the worst literature I ever had to read. I mean it really pains to go through such shit. You have to be clinically retarded to believe in islam after reading it.

[Anonymous No.17987600]

>>17987594

[Anonymous No.17987607]

>>17987600

[Anonymous No.17987621]

>>17987607

[Anonymous No.17987733]

>>17987594
Learn Arabic, and you'll get what people mean when they say that the Qur'an cannot be translated.

[Anonymous No.17987842]

>>17987733
>the translation cope
Every time.

[Anonymous No.17988179]

The Qur'an is amazing

>>/lit/thread/S16511592
>>/lit/thread/S17183069

[Anonymous No.17989200]

>>17987594
The point is it's the truth, whether you like it or not, what it says will happen to the kuffar will indeed happen.
Deny is as much as you want, in the end, you will die and Allah will call you to account.

[Anonymous No.17989212]

>>17987594
>Reading the translation
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS THREAD?

[Anonymous No.17989216]

>>17987733
It's even worse in Arabic, translations smooth things out.

>t. Lebanese

[Anonymous No.17989226]

>>17989216
No it's not, you are just a stubborn human, lying too,
well, you know very well what's in store for the kuffar

[Anonymous No.17989232]

>>17989226
Didn't you get the memo?
>>17988888

[Anonymous No.17989240]

>>17989200

That's your truth for you.

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet ﷺ said, "Allah loves sneezing but dislikes yawning;
so if anyone of you sneezes and then praises Allah, every Muslim who hears him (praising Allah) has to say Tashmit to him. But as regards yawning, it is from Satan, so if one of you yawns, he should try his best to stop it, for when anyone of you yawns, Satan laughs at him."
https://muflihun.com/bukhari/73/245

[Anonymous No.17989253]

>>17989216
I heard many non-muslim and ex-muslim Arabs say this. I guess muslims just pretend it's a fantastic read because they have to.

[Anonymous No.17989265]

>>17989232
Again, you sound like a screeching monkey, it doesn't matter how much you scream, Islam is the truth, you will die one day and then be called to account.
Enjoy the limited time you have in this world

[Anonymous No.17989274]

>>17989240
Yes, and it is, your books are all filled with falsehood.
Only Muslims are absolutely certain of the truthfulness of their religion, because it is true, just because you are blinded by the luxuries the kuffar get, doesn't mean hey are correct

[Anonymous No.17989286]

>>17989253
Those ex Muslims only leave Islam because they have no self restraint, they wish to indulge in their desires without limit so of course they would then foolishly leave thinking just because they are not believers that nothing will happen, well they forget that the truth is true whether someone denies it or not

[Anonymous No.17989291]

>>17989274
So I hope you refrain from yawning as Satan may laugh at you. Do you dip flies in your drinks as Muhammad advised?

>Narrated Abu Huraira:

>The Prophet ﷺ said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."
https://muflihun.com/bukhari/54/537

[Anonymous No.17989298]

>>17989265
> Again
I'm not the Lebanese guy.
> Enjoy the limited time you have in this world
I will, and you enjoy your even shorter time in some hellhole until you get yourself drone striked. (Or preferably, until you see the sham for what it is and decide to leave it behind.)

[Anonymous No.17989313]

>>17987594
Damn, Islam is ever more retard-tier than Mormonism.

[Anonymous No.17989322]

>>17989291
You can't seem to grasp the fact God can do anything he wants.
You don't get healthy just because you take the medicine, if God does not will you to be healthy then you will not be

[Anonymous No.17989324]

>>17989286
I think they left islam precisely because they found it to be a pile of lies and stupidities, which it is indeed.

[Anonymous No.17989329]

>>17989298
I don't care if I die, only that I die in a state of Islam.
Enjoy your luxuries while you can.
When you are ressurrected on the day of judgement, you will feel like this life was not more than a day or a few

[Anonymous No.17989331]

>>17989322
But why dip the fly then at all?

[Anonymous No.17989332]

>>17989322
That's some very powerful thinking there but it doesn't answer my question: do you dip flies in your drink as Muhammad advised in this sahih hadith?

[Anonymous No.17989333]

so is Islam the hot new larp on this board or are we still pretending to be Christians?

[Anonymous No.17989335]

>>17989333
go back

[Anonymous No.17989336]

>>17989324
It's hilarious how much you want to smear Islam.
Your lies don't matter though, go on, keep fooling yourself.

[Anonymous No.17989344]

>>17989336
Islam smears itself very well.

Narrated Anas:

It was said to the Prophet "Would that you see Abdullah bin Ubai." So, the Prophet went to him, riding a donkey, and the Muslims accompanied him, walking on salty barren land. When the Prophet reached 'Abdullah bin Ubai, the latter said, "Keep away from me! By Allah, the bad smell of your donkey has harmed me." On that an Ansari man said (to 'Abdullah), "By Allah! The smell of the donkey of Allah's Apostle is better than your smell." On that a man from 'Abdullah's tribe got angry for 'Abdullah's sake, and the two men abused each other which caused the friends of the two men to get angry, and the two groups started fighting with sticks, shoes and hands. We were informed that the following Divine Verse was revealed (in this concern):-- "And if two groups of Believers fall to fighting then, make peace between them." (49.9)
https://muflihun.com/bukhari/49/856

[Anonymous No.17989347]

>>17989336
Come on, answer his question:
>>17989332
Do you dip your flies?

[Anonymous No.17989350]

>>17989331
When we Muslims hear of a command from Allaah, we must accept it and submit to it, even if the wisdom behind it is not clear to us, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allaah and His Messenger have decreed a matter, that they should have any option in their decision [al-Ahzaab 33:36]

Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, does not give any command without there being great wisdom behind it even if we do not understand it as He says (interpretation of the meaning): That is the judgement of Allaah. He judges between you. And Allaah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. [al-Mumtahinah 60:10]

Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, does not abrogate any rule except to replace it with something better or similar to it, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): Whatever Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allaah is able to do all things? [al-Baqarah 2:106]

Having understood this, we may note that the wisdom behind the changing of the Qiblah has several aspects, including:

It is a test for the true believer, because the true believer, unlike others, accepts the commands of Allaah. Allaah has spoken of this in the Quraan (interpretation of the meaning): And We made the Qiblah which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger from those who would turn on their heels. Indeed it was great (heavy) except for those whom Allaah guided [al-Baqarah 2:143]

[Anonymous No.17989364]

>>17989350
Alright, I guess this answers the question. You do, indeed, dip your flies.

[Anonymous No.17989368]

>>17989344
Well, you have been informed, now, guidance to the truth is in the hands of Allah.
Your post clearly shows how stupid you are

[Anonymous No.17989376]

>>17989350
HOLY KEK HE DIPS FLIES IN HIS DRINK

[Anonymous No.17989401]

>>17989376
Well, nothing much I can do more than telling the truth,
if you deny and mock still, you wont be laughing on the day of ressurection

[Anonymous No.17989474]

>>17989401
Bruh you eat flies.

[Anonymous No.17989523]

>>17989474
Yes, I will eat all that Allah and His messenger peace be upon him said is permissible to eat with pride.
You on the other hand will be eating this if you die as a kuffaar,
"Verily, the tree of Zaqqoom, will be the food of the sinners, like boiling oil, it will boil in the bellies, like the boiling of scalding water. (It will be said): ‘Seize him and drag him into the midst of blazing Fire, then pour over his head the torment of boiling water, taste you (this)! Verily, you were (pretending to be the mighty, the generous! Verily! This is that whereof you used to doubt!’" [al-Dukhaan 44:43-50]

[Anonymous No.17989545]

>>17989523
Honestly boiling oil doesn't sound more disgusting than dipping flies in your drink.

[Anonymous No.17989557]

>>17989545
You do you, I've done my part.
But just to be sure, how about you put some boiling oil on your tongue.
Maybe that might give you a better idea of what I mean.
Well, I'm off

[Anonymous No.17989566]

>>17989557
Have this ridiculous hadith before.

>Abu Huraira reported Messenger of Allah ﷺ as saying: None of you should drink while standing;
and if anyone forgets, he must vomit.
https://muflihun.com/muslim/23/5022

Do you vomit if you happen to drink standing?

[Anonymous No.17989674]

>>17989566
>doesn't know anything about fiqh or the fiqh of this Hadith

[Anonymous No.17989678]

>>17987733
>Learn Arabic
hard pass

[Anonymous No.17989728]

>>17989674
>muh fiqh
Muhammad said you must not drink standing and if you do you have to vomit. I think it's abundantly clear.
Do you drink standing? Do you vomit if you do?

[Anonymous No.17989846]

>>17987733
That's my main gripe tho, I'm a third worlder who's quite far away from the ME (went through Madrasa and all that stuff about memorizing juz amma & surahs just to pass the grade) and everyone around me is turning into araboos which is kind of funny considering that my race would be treated with bad prejudices by the arabs and other ME people, the arab language might have some truth in it, but as a meme, it is for me nothing more than that brahmin-pass for you to gain empty standing -- Allah doesn't speak arabic just like God didn't speak english, but this is the point, Quran is really heavy on the ear and hence it is tied so heavily on the arabic language as the authority for aesthetical judgement (Bible on the other hand is more about visual reading). Comparing it to the existing shamanic tradition that i could find at the recesses of this country I'm coming from it's pretty clear that the people here were preferring the Quran not because of the possibilty for literacy it could provide, but rather it provides them merely another possibility to reach that trance like state induced from auditory experiences, in other words, it's just a better lullaby for that deeper sleep.
I am not impressed.

[Anonymous No.17990580]

>>17987733
Even Sanskrit sacred literature can be understood and enjoyed with translations and its a language older and more nuanced. Its hard to believe that Arabic, in this text which speaks in a colloquial manner and stuffs which arent as lofty as other sacred texts are lost in translation. The Quran is over and over speaking like "dont they see this sign of Allah" or "thus is the power of Allah" repeatedly and its hard to believe this claim that reading it in Arabic is somehow a totally different experience.
Look I get that the text is pretty prose-poetry-like but thing is we outsiders are not impressed with the core essential meanings we already understood from translations. If we are not even persuaded with the core meanings of the sentences do you think the poetic power in original Arabic can turn us around?