/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17980773]

Is this accurate?

[Anonymous No.17980778]

>>17980773
You're winner!

[Anonymous No.17980781]

No it's just butchering the English language, I do it all the time but I'm white

[Anonymous No.17980789]

>>17980773
What would Heidegger think of this? The copula of ”being” is completely obscured

[Anonymous No.17980791]

>>17980773
No because a lot of black people who speak "AAVE" say conjugate "to be" for "you" as "you is".

[Anonymous No.17980796]

>>17980773
>akshually ebonics is super advanced and thought out
Whoever wrote that post doesn't have any non-white friends

[Anonymous No.17980810]

Just constantly mention your "beingness", bro.

[Anonymous No.17980825]

>>17980773
But Bongese is neither Ancient Greek nor Russian. Bongese does not drop copulas. Why, then, would those languages featuring such a thing matter when we're talking about English?

[Anonymous No.17980829]

>>17980796
>>17980781
AAVE is clearly a valid system of english as english speakers can understand what those who speak in AAVE are saying. So how has AAVE managed to develop, and continue to do so, if not for its acceptance by english speakers as a dialect?

[Anonymous No.17980841]

Blacks form patois because their neurological structure is different which changes how they handle language

[Anonymous No.17980843]

>>17980773
bitch is derogatory to women and niggers should stop using it

[Anonymous No.17980930]

>>17980829
> AAVE is clearly a valid system of english as english speakers can understand what those who speak in AAVE are saying

[Anonymous No.17980958]

bix nood

[Anonymous No.17980961]

>>17980829
Because it's used exclusively by niggers, who have 7 children each before being shot at age 26

[Anonymous No.17980966]

https://youtu.be/r2h2sY6Y27c

[Anonymous No.17980983]

Sometimes I think stuff like this is an conspiracy to convince African Americans that there's no need to focus in school or value education, which leads to problems in getting gainful employment and making career progress.

[Anonymous No.17981193]

It's was a feature present in west midlands aristocratic dialect, guess who later owned slaves.

[Anonymous No.17981205]

>>17980773
ebonics

[Anonymous No.17981229]

>>17980773
The comparison they make with Russian is kind of heavy-handed.

[Anonymous No.17981239]

>>17980961
The African-American birthrate is only marginally higher than the white birthrate.
t. CDC

[Anonymous No.17981266]

>>17980773
Ebonics are a sign of poor education and nothing more.
The science that explains language doesn't justify speaking like a retard, it merely explains it.

t.ESL

[Anonymous No.17981286]

>>17980773
No

[Anonymous No.17981417]

>>17981266
ESL too, the phenomena is real but it doesn't mean that I'm allowed to butcher english as I see fit by making a general usage of what is an exception. A real example in Queen's English would be saying "the more the merrier" or saying "enough" instead of "that is enough".

> Hi, I CIA. If I take that mask off, you die? It be painful. You a big guy. For you.

[Anonymous No.17981709]

>>17981239
Thank God for Margaret Sanger.

[Anonymous No.17981717]

>>17980829
Validity doesn't mean that it is a good or desirable development. Pretending that you can live without having normative attitudes towards language is nothing more than lying to yourself.

[Anonymous No.17981719]

>>17980773
No. It's called laziness.

[Anonymous No.17981721]

>>17980773
informative post and some rich seethe from rightoids itt. thanks op.

[Anonymous No.17981729]

>>17981417
Fo you*

[Anonymous No.17981754]

>>17981709
>Birth Control is not contraception indiscriminately and thoughtlessly practiced. It means the release and cultivation of the better racial elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extirpation of defective stocks — those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.
based

[Anonymous No.17981758]

I'll internalize my racism in your ass bitch

[Anonymous No.17981779]

>>17980773
No, it's just a creative way of defending improper, ugly English.

[Anonymous No.17981841]

>>17980789
My language doesn't even have a copula to be obscured. I imagine trying to translate Heidegger into my language would be comparable to torture.

[Anonymous No.17982218]

>>17980781
>I do it all the time but I'm white
When Whites butcher English it's called the natural progression of the language.

[Anonymous No.17982461]

>>17980789
that's how you get mindless bug people who have no sense of self

[Anonymous No.17982520]

>>17980829
I ain't ever seen a novel n shit wrote in niggatalk dawg, that speaks some facts right there if errthing cuh

[Anonymous No.17982681]

>>17980773
Linguist here, people can seethe all they want but it's true. AAVE has grammar rules that are definable and internally consistent, it's not a case of poor education.

[Anonymous No.17982689]

>>17980773
Imagine the smug bugman who typed that out thinking he was clever.

[Anonymous No.17982695]

>>17982681
>Linguist here
Ay yo cracka only Reddit niggas be talking like that so you need to go back frfr

[Anonymous No.17982854]

Is there anything better than white affluent liberals glorifying and rationalizing the self-defeating crab bucket behaviors and general anti-intellectualism of their serfs?

It's okay my dad owns shares in the development company whose stock went up when it manipulated the law to further impoverish you, because I went to $91,000 a year university with that and other ill-gotten money, and we took classes on how the mysterious negro is AUTHENTIC, yo! Whenever I'm on the plane to visit my Jew uncle who owns a record label that markets rap music full of porn and violence to hopeless black youth in ghettos, I listen to songs about the authentic life of the streets! The black man is such a noble and majestic savage, I'm glad he isn't boring and middle class, I'm glad he hasn't been tainted by banality like the booooring middle class nuclear families, he's so much better this way, did you know he elides the copula?? I learned about that in my Linguistics class at Berkeley while he was deciding between working minimum wage for the rest of his life in his shithole no way out neighborhood and saying "fuck it" and smoking weed and crack every day to cope so that he is effectively retarded and insane by the time he's in his 30s, I can't wait for this summer my mom and dad are going to vacation to Marseilles!!! I've been taking French as an elective!

Poor fucking niggers dude, with friends like that who needs enemies

[Anonymous No.17982869]

>>17982854
Golden post anon.

[Anonymous No.17983986]

>>17980829
Baboon gums is a flappin'
and its got his foot tappin'
so he makes a shitty post on /lit/

he wants to rustle him some chuds
there's excitement in his blood
when he moves the mouse and clicks 'submit'

oh he's a nigger lover, he's a nigger lover
and he gotta let everyone know
oh he's a nigger lover, he wants to be a brother
yeah he's a faggot from his head to his toe

[Anonymous No.17984130]

>>17982681
The concern comes when people are incapable of talking without using a moronic vernacular

[Anonymous No.17984139]

>>17982681
>Linguist here niggers consistently make the same mistakes. Therefore if you consistently make the same mistakes that means you are doing it right.
Absolute retard. Step out of your asshole for a second.

[Anonymous No.17984569]

>>17980773
What about pidgin?

[Anonymous No.17984590]

>>17980773
Who is the black Virgil?

[Anonymous No.17984706]

>>17980983
I think you're on to something
Then they depend on unemployment and voilà a new generation of democrat voters

[Anonymous No.17984798]

>>17982681
This indicates the limits of linguistics as a field rather than the whether the use of a dialect is good or desirable. There’s far more to that than validity.

[Anonymous No.17984818]

>>17980789
Forgefulness of being! Heidegger predicted!

[Anonymous No.17984827]

>>17980773
But what about "You is"?

[Anonymous No.17984829]

>>17984139
>asshole
Did you mean arsehole?

[Anonymous No.17984843]

>>17982681
>it's not a case of poor education.

[Anonymous No.17984874]

>>17984843
What’s best about it is that the things he said are t at all mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.17984897]

>>17980796
I think the point is that all dialects tend to stabilize itself around some specific forms, regardless of it being used by intelligent people or baboons.

[Anonymous No.17984926]

>>17980773
>ayo cracka ebonics is heckin valid cuz russian speak the same yall racis or wat?
That's a good comparison. AAVE is of equal complexity as a language of peasants

[Anonymous No.17985064]

>>17983986
Pynchon pilled

[Anonymous No.17985118]

>>17980773
it's probably more a function of deep southern accents being non-rhotic in general. "you are a bitch" in a non-rhotic accent would sound like "you ah a bitch". if you remove the glottal stop that designates the seperation of "are" and "a" you end up with "you a bitch". it it was really hypersimplified grammar "you" would function as the cupola itself, rendering "you bitch", distinguished from "you bitch!" only be tonality. >moot because the next stage of AAVE is just emojis with no words

[Anonymous No.17985532]

>>17984798

Linguists don't moderate language you dummy, it's their job to analyze language as it exists.

[Anonymous No.17985640]

>>17980829
>AAVE is clearly a valid system of english as english speakers can understand what those who speak in AAVE are saying. So how has AAVE managed to develop, and continue to do so, if not for its acceptance by english speakers as a dialect?
If it's understood it is because it exists in a very limited capacity. Outside of colloquial subject matter and applications it would not be sufficient to function.

[Anonymous No.17986161]

>>17980773
you a bitch

[Anonymous No.17986374]

>>17980773
You know, I'm very interested in this thread but I'm afraid to scroll down. I'm black and have a somewhat southern accent but I'm also "whitewashed" because I live in a pretty multicultural place that's white majority. Whenever I talk online people assume I'm white but when I get excited the "blackness" of my speech is "exposed" and I've legit had people ask if there's a black guy in my room next to me.

I want to ask if maybe the the harsh judgement on black language is less because it's actually bad and more because it's associated with "bad people"? I've always had a feeling ebonics is just a way of segregating a type of southern accent as being a pan-african accent of sorts but I don't know enough about language for that to be more than just a feeling.

[Anonymous No.17986604]

>>17986374
>Whenever I talk online people assume I'm white but when I get excited the "blackness" of my speech is "exposed" and I've legit had people ask if there's a black guy in my room next to me.
lol. that's funny. i assume you're talking about voip on vidya games. where else would you frequently talk to strangers online

[Anonymous No.17986633]

>>17984569
Lol

[Anonymous No.17986646]

>>17982681
>it's not a case of poor education.
It is.

[Anonymous No.17986661]

>>17986374
Southern hicks are also seen as uneducated. The dialacts just sound retarded. Nice victim complex, though.

[Anonymous No.17986797]

That's very accurate about AAVE.
I have a non-standard English dialect too, there are rules to it and it doesn't exist because of lack of education or intellect. That might be true if people with non-standard accents were unable to understand standard english, but that's obviously not the case.

Furthermore, this board is full of rightoids who get panic attacks when the idea of things not being 100% immutable. They crave rules, it gives them comfort.

[Anonymous No.17986877]

>>17982854
Beautiful

[Anonymous No.17986973]

>>17985532
Yes, but it seems that linguists do what they can. To discourage descriptive sources wherever it appears, even though the reasons for having normative attitudes towards language are well outside of the scope of their field. The validity of something isn’t a justification for wanting that thing to have a presence in society.

[Anonymous No.17986976]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfIWX5vGTEk

[Anonymous No.17987158]

>>17986797
>Furthermore, this board is full of rightoids who get panic attacks when the idea of things not being 100% immutable. They crave rules, it gives them comfort.
Is t that weird when the biggest claim in its defense is that it has a consistent set of rules?

[Anonymous No.17987160]

>>17986604
Mostly on games yeah but I've had a few phone talks with friends of friends that were surprised to see I'm black when we meet if nobody lets them know beforehand and I don't at least drop big hints that's the case.

>>17986661
Not trying to be a victim but I never see anyone write long winded explanations on why southern drawl is proof of the inferiority of an entire race of people. More just thinking out lout really, this isn't anything I've ever really talked about before.

[Anonymous No.17987179]

>>17987158
A set of rules is necessary to make sure a language is usable, but there is no rule about what set of rules you can use, and no set of rules is superior or inferior to another set of rules.

[Anonymous No.17987191]

>>17987160
>Not trying to be a victim but I never see anyone write long winded explanations on why southern drawl is proof of the inferiority of an entire race of people
Because non-hick whites exist and many other dialects exist in the US. Meanwhile ebonics adnd its variants are core african americanness.

[Anonymous No.17987201]

>>17987179
>A set of rules is necessary to make sure a language is usable
Furthermore, you can diverge from that set of rules if you want. You just need the rules to exist so you can diverge from them.

[Anonymous No.17987237]

>>17987160
>Not trying to be a victim but I never see anyone write long winded explanations on why southern drawl is proof of the inferiority of an entire race of people.
They are called rednecks, sister fuckers, meth babies, white trash, etc

[Anonymous No.17987250]

>>17987237
Yeah, but other white people don't get tarred with the redneck brush because of those people.

[Anonymous No.17987257]

>>17986797
>there are rules to it
I don't think I've ever heard of a black correcting another black on their ebonics.

[Anonymous No.17987295]

>>17987257
Not those kinds of rules, dummy.

[Anonymous No.17987307]

>>17987250
Statistics help them. Stats dont favor the blacks.

[Anonymous No.17987330]

>>17987257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUnGvH8fUUc
Here.
Lexical stress, that's not something English speakers have to learn consciously, and if asked I doubt most people could even tell you about how it works.
Yet everyone follows the rule.

[Anonymous No.17987344]

>>17987191
>Meanwhile ebonics adnd its variants are core african americanness
I don't know how correct that is to say though. I feel like that "core" doesn't really have purely "african" american roots and would even go far as to say what people think of when they think of black speech isn't even how most black people speak. More like there's a certain style mostly projected in media or from very specific cities that gets projected as the normal.

>>17987237
I know but those stereotypes aren't projected to reflect all of white culture or even as means to damn all people from the south.

[Anonymous No.17987485]

>>17980829
AAVE is a dialect of English.
This dialect is spoken by subhuman coon apes.

There is no contradiction between the above statements. Fuck niggers btw.

[Anonymous No.17987498]

>>17987485
Don't blame niggers, this shit is forced upon them by anarcho-tyranny

[Anonymous No.17987735]

>>17987295
What kinds, then?
>>17987330
If no rules are ever enforced, how do you know they're even there? I've seen enough worldstarhiphop vids to know that there's no real consistency in ebonics.

[Anonymous No.17987836]

>>17980983
>Sometimes I think stuff like this is an conspiracy to convince African Americans
It's a conspiracy to convince white people to continue infantilizing blacks and viewing them as weird childish aliens in need of shepherding. Black people aren't really convinced of anything, it's more that they are trained.

[Anonymous No.17987930]

>>17980983
There's no need to focus in school or value education because it doesn't actually help you no matter how hard you try.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates_arrest_controversy

[Anonymous No.17988076]

>>17987735
>how do you know they're even there?
Clever people studying them?
I guarantee you most English speakers don't know about the rules of stress in English beyond using stress for emphasis.
It'd be hard for them to imagine languages that use different stresses and rhythms in speech.
But the rules still work, you didn't need to be taught it in school.

[Anonymous No.17988134]

>>17980791
Akshually, it's a systematic difference in their dialect. Deleted copula refers to a persistent state whereas tenseless copula refers to a temporary state.

>he sick
he has a chronic illness
>he be sick
he has a cold or something

[Anonymous No.17988135]

>>17988076
>Clever people studying them?
So not the people actually speaking ebonics?!

[Anonymous No.17988168]

Am I the only one who thinks the guy explaining it is an unironic cuck

[Anonymous No.17988206]

>>17988135
Linguists studying "ebonics" aren't the same kinds of people that work in gender studies as I'm sure you're imagining.

I know a guy who studies stuff in that area (not AAVE specifically, but close enough). He's fluent in a bunch of languages, iirc one of them is vietnamese and another is some form of eskimo. By far the most intelligent person I've ever met.

[Anonymous No.17988214]

>>17988076
>I guarantee you most English speakers don't know about the rules of stress in English beyond using stress for emphasis.
>It'd be hard for them to imagine languages that use different stresses and rhythms in speech.
Sometimes I think wonder if when learning foreign languages, we also fall into this trap of focusing on things that aren't too important. For example, the honor/politeness system in Japanese. People say it's important to know, and others say it's not. What to do? Learn it I guess.

[Anonymous No.17988235]

>>17984798
>This indicates the limits of linguistics as a field rather than the whether the use of a dialect is good or desirable.
Wrong. You’re just a dilettante who knows nothing about linguistics or language in general. I guess you think Spanish is just wrong Latin.

[Anonymous No.17988269]

>>17980958
A nigger once pissed me off in front of a theatre plaza so I called him a monkey and shouted Bix Nood and Ooga Booga in public while it was busy. I also threatened I'd stab him.

[Anonymous No.17988305]

>>17988135
what's your point? there's nothing wrong with studying patterns of ape behavior

[Anonymous No.17988326]

>>17988206
How exactly can you determine ebonics has grammatical rules if the speakers themselves never abide by them and never correct themselves ever?

[Anonymous No.17988332]

>>17988326
>How exactly can you determine ebonics has grammatical rules
White liberals maintain the scholarship on the rules.

[Anonymous No.17988349]

Why are we talking about niggers? There should be a sitewide rule that threads like this one belong in /an/.

[Anonymous No.17988351]

>>17988326
Are you stupid? They literally do abide by syntactical structures that can be described using formal grammatical tools.

[Anonymous No.17988362]

>>17988326
They do, you just aren't able to identify them.
Although you might stand a better chance if your research wasn't limited to watching worldstarhiphop in a blind rage.

[Anonymous No.17988368]

>>17988351
This, just read Chomsky's article "UGa Booga: Syntactic Structures of AAVE"

[Anonymous No.17988373]

>>17988362
He probably thinks humans learn language by memorizing grammar. Naive prescriptivism truly is astounding.

[Anonymous No.17988389]

>>17988326
They do have rules, it's obvious when someone who doesn't know ebonics imitates it. As for whether it's 'just as complex' I don't know, I feel like linguists just say that as a sort of dogma, because they also say it's impossible to measure complexity, so they can't know if one language or dialect is more complex by their own admission, apart from this notion that 'you can explain any concept in any language', which a)I am not sure is true, and b)might not affect a sort of 'average complexity measure' of the kinds of sentences the language or dialect usually produces.

[Anonymous No.17988398]

>>17988373
>He probably thinks humans learn language by memorizing grammar
>mfw my attempts to learn a new language can be boiled down to learning vocab + grammar
Am... I doing it wrong?

[Anonymous No.17988407]

>>17980829
>valid
Swing and miss.

[Anonymous No.17988424]

>>17988326
this has to be bait

[Anonymous No.17988433]

Yes you can apply linguistics to AAVE.
But protecting AAVE is one of the reasons why blacks are so bad at literacy.

[Anonymous No.17988438]

>>17988398
Learning a second language is a different beast, most people who speak Ebonics do it from birth. I particularly hate reading dry grammar as a learning tool, but if you’re able to progress, keep on doing whatever it is you’re doing.

[Anonymous No.17988443]

>>17988362
>>17988389
Prove it has rules.
>>17988424
Cope.

[Anonymous No.17988454]

>>17981841
What language

[Anonymous No.17988468]

>>17988398
yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiTsduRreug

[Anonymous No.17989516]

>>17982854
Based

[Anonymous No.17989567]

Chauvin's trial highlighted the issue with their stupid little dialect:
'i ate too many drugs' vs 'i aint do any drugs'

[Anonymous No.17989593]

>>17980773
>Dialects have grammar??
Retards ITT

[Anonymous No.17989607]

[Anonymous No.17989619]

>>17989607
need it

[Anonymous No.17989627]

This fucking linguicuck just completely sidetracked the conversation. It's still a misuse in proper English. Just because you and your friends invent a new way of speaking doesn't mean everyone else should stop correcting you when you speak like that everywhere.

[Anonymous No.17989643]

>>17980773
Yes. All grammar, including african american vernacular english, is logically consistent.

Doesn't mean it's not still low-class.

[Anonymous No.17989666]

>>17985532
They could if they wanted to make themselves useful. Contrary to what you believe, a lot of good evolutions in language did come about thanks to prescriptivism measures. See: spelling standardization.

[Anonymous No.17990785]

>>17989607
black people are the devil's mirror
they are our mocking reflection; distorted, debasing, mercilessly embarrassing

[Anonymous No.17990832]

>>17980983
I used to think this too. Ghetto black culture has effectively convinced themselves that being educated equals "acting white." I unironically was told by my friends to "stop acting so white" when I was a kid; I didn't speak in ebonics and wasn't interested in sports, that was literally the only differences between us, and they told me that "I thought I was better than them" and that I was "the whitest kid in the group."

[Anonymous No.17990847]

>>17980983
Elites use blacks as a bio-weapon. The last thing they want is for their weapon to be educated and self-aware. They want them to be trained like dogs to react to basic stimuli such as "be mad" and "go riot".

[Anonymous No.17990867]

>>17990832
thanks for sharing nigger

[Anonymous No.17991068]

>>17980829
lol faggot

[Anonymous No.17991438]

>>17990847
this is why they shot MLK and Malcolm X and JFK.

Because they inspired Americans to be better people, to think about each other and their communities and not just their own individual needs.

They will gun down anyone who suggests there's anything better to aspire to than desperate individualism and self interest.

Class solidarity is the one advantage the elites have, they cannot allow us to replicate it.

[Anonymous No.17991508]

>>17982854
Got'em

[Anonymous No.17991850]

Isn't just glorified slang that everyone seems to get their panties in a bunch about? I find BBC pidgin patronizing, but I speak the slang and normal English. Nigerians for example can be articulate to the point where it gets annoying.

[Anonymous No.17991861]

>>17980773
Except it's not valid in the English language, baka morons.

[Anonymous No.17992014]

>>17980773
Cucks will literally never stop apologizing for niggers

[Anonymous No.17992319]

>>17982681
It's very clearly a result of poor education and lack of intent to fix nigger stupidity because it's seen as racist. Such concepts like AAVE wouldn't exist in a "libtardless" world because it would be just "broken english spoken by niggers".

[Anonymous No.17992418]

>>17991438
Malcolm was a literal retard mulatto that believed in Yakub inventing white people and Wakanda-tier shit. He got humiliated by Arab Muslims when he went to Mecca so badly that he acknowledged he was a retard and gave up on his militant attitude only to be killed by another jigaboo.

[Anonymous No.17992550]

>>17980773

I don't know but if it sounds stupid it sounds stupid and no amount of studying language is ever going to change that

[Anonymous No.17994240]

>>17980829
Valid and invalid is all perspective. You can't define a metric.
Language usage in different thing will render different results
You can say there is fallacy in commenting on which result is better
But regardless, altering your language usage will render different outcomes of not only your character but your relationship with your environment

By their fruits

[Anonymous No.17994361]

>>17986374
>I want to ask if maybe the the harsh judgement on black language is less because it's actually bad and more because it's associated with "bad people"?
It becomes challenging to distinguish the difference
Language biases the person and the character into behavior.
So to what degree and how expressed? I'm sure you notice difference between your own AAVE and those "bad people"s AAVE.

Different languages will render different results. It's all too complex ridden with far too many variables to say this language=bad person, but it becomes an easy I educator to avoid potentially going down that path.

Anyone's thoughts on the matter are going to be personal opinion, and unless you know them well, you'll never know the person validating or invalidating the usage.

If I had to take a stab I would say it can be playful and sometimes have more flow to it. Just the same as cockney I appreciate at least the creative effort to alter language in some fashion. I'm sure there's been "bet benefits" with slang and language evolution along the way.
I also think there's been an overall intentional effort to degrade English, and wielding AAVE in a degrading way has been a useful tool to accomplish this.

If it's fruitful addition that first proves it's fruits and merits without all this expected idealism without pragmatic result, then I imagine people would be more inclined to absorb it.
If it's liberal deconstructionist dickheads using fancy language to rationalise it with subtle undertones or outright jabs of "RACISM!!!!" then it's a total facade and abuse of shame so they can feel good about themselves.
It's on you guys yo represent why people would want to absorb more of your culture. I'm sick of liberals forcing it with no expectations. It's degrading for everyone involved.

[Anonymous No.17994452]

>>17980958
based and bix nood pilled.

[Anonymous No.17994579]

>>17980773
In mah motha fuckin younga n more vulnerable years in da crib mah pappy gave meh sum advice dat i’ve been turnin' ova in mah motha fuckin mind evah since.

“whenevah choo feel like criticizin' any one,” he told meh, “just remembah dat all da people in this world haven’t had da advantages dat you’ve had.” das rite.

[Anonymous No.17994627]

>>17982681
dis nigga be beating his own box

[Anonymous No.17994873]

>>17980773
>/lit/'s first introduction to some basic linguistic concepts
oh cool im sure there will no no off-topic discussion in this thread!

for all you retards who need it spelled out: AAVE is a dialect like any others that exist in basically every single modern language. in my country, germany, there are about 10 different regions with different dialects, whose inhabitants can barely understand each other.
i have never seen any of these dialects, some of which do many of the things AAVE does, invoke the same autistic rage in you retards. i wonder why that is.

[Anonymous No.17994970]

>babies babbling with consistent repition is clearly its own standard if the english language
>it's totally Not babies learning how to speak and making mistakes

My 4 yo cousin can't say spaghetti. He says spagogi. Therefore spagogi is a word and a new iteration of spaghetti

[Anonymous No.17995183]

>>17980983
>>17990847
That's patronising. Do you think so little of us that you think our volitional capacity is inherently impaired? We're humans, not some lab piglet you can conduct psychological experiments on.

[Anonymous No.17995264]

>>17987930
Some guy is wrongly arrested therefore you shouldn’t try to do better in life?

[Anonymous No.17995428]

Descriptivism is the ultimate midwit position. Nobody is a platonic prescriptivist, that's a strawman position. Anyone with half a brain realizes that real prescriptivism means respecting that certain structures have become established in the firmament, and the more complex your structures are, the more you can play with the rules and do beautiful things by mastering them. Even if you don't know this, you should still know by instinct that a disgusting pleb annihilating entire tenses and moods from the language for the sake of his "convenience" and "authentic lived experience" is degenerative. It should give off the same stinky smell as an inbred monkeyman from the bayou.

[Anonymous No.17995440]

>>17994873
>"bix nood shih mufugga wyboi ouma hood"
>"I'm sorry, what?"
>*shoots and robs you*
Language really is beautiful

[Anonymous No.17995457]

>>17995183
>Do you think so little of us that you think our volitional capacity is inherently impaired?
well... yeah. you act like it

[Anonymous No.17995463]

>>17994873
>i have never seen any of these dialects, some of which do many of the things AAVE does, invoke the same autistic rage in you retards. i wonder why that
Are you implying that many 4chan users are racist but pretend not to be? Yes, we're racist. It's not a secret or some repressed thing.

[Anonymous No.17996231]

>>17987179
>and no set of rules is superior or inferior to another set of rules.
Demonstrably untrue, both in quantitative and simple terms. There's a reason scientists have larger vocabularies than gangbangers, the fundamental range of ideas both able and necessary to be expressed is very different for the two. Furthermore there's outright studies that prove the language you speak affects your IQ and intelligence and that children who speak more than 1 language are smarter and more creative. If that's true one can only imagine what it suggests about those who speak half of a language.

Relativists really are demented. They act like the real world doesn't exist, as though tangible and objective things don't secure and ensure the lives of mediocrity they lead or even that billions of years of evolution and causal confluence don't precede and necessitate all of the aforementioned.

[Anonymous No.17996237]

>>17995183
>Do you think so little of us that you think our volitional capacity is inherently impaired?

Absolutely. Not sure how inherent it is, but in terms of immediate effects the question of how much nature and how much nurture is at play makes little difference.

[Anonymous No.17996352]

>>17995183
Anyone who blames their environment for everything without any personal responsibility is without manhood.

It's fair to make environmental demands but 100% of the cultural script right now is about how everything is societies fault or white people's fault.

To admit this is to renounce agency. Not only are they saying they've bee entirely guided by white people and environment, but that white people and environment must also give them more support.

Welfare state and handouts have been an absolute disaster for black agency, manhood, culture, family life.
Short term handouts from groups who pander so they are given political support.

It been shoved down my throat to Understand these issues from the main narrative POV, and I do.
But no one will entertain the frustrations of others whom have spent their entire lives trying to better themselves, culture, community, family.
When does it end?

[Anonymous No.17996372]

>>17996231
Huge midwit

[Anonymous No.17996387]

>>17995428
>Anyone with half a brain realizes that real prescriptivism means respecting that certain structures have become established in the firmament
The environment is molded by and around the identity and what values it harbor

Radically different values=radically different structure

[Anonymous No.17996397]

>>17995440
At this point I'm not sure if I hate niggers more or the white people that keep enabling them.

[Anonymous No.17996400]

>>17995183
Why do you think they keep shoving slavery in your face?
Do you know how subconsciously demoralizing that Is?
Forget the whole fuckin thing happened and just at attention to getting PEOPLE out of poverty and retardation

[Anonymous No.17996609]

English will soon be an ethnic language and there's nothing you can do about it angloids

[Anonymous No.17996624]

>>17996372
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.17996632]

>>17996609
More people speak English in China than in England. It's all going to be all right, in a way the west dying is the best thing that could happen to it at this point.

[Anonymous No.17996681]

It's funny that you can convince white people not to talk like niggers because it's "cultural appropriation"

>>17982520
Need you be reminded?

[Anonymous No.17996712]

>>17988235
It's clear he is simply stating the fact that linguistics is descriptive by nature and does not make value judgements on languages.
For Spanish being wrong Latin, a real linguist wouldn't be able to tell you that as it's an opinion unrelated to the field, he can only tell you what Spanish is and what Latin is and leave it to the better suited to decide. In fact, if he insisted on the validity of Spanish and claimed it is a good language purely because people speak it, like that anon was doing, he would be in the wrong and would be speaking out of turn. If he claimed it is invalid purely because Latin was the official language used even after the local dialect had become Old Spanish, he would also be speaking out of turn.
Who those better suited are, I can not say.

[Anonymous No.17996726]

>>17996624
this is the most midwit response of all

[Anonymous No.17996742]

>>17996632
this is pure status wanking
english speakers hardly understand this

[Anonymous No.17996754]

>>17996681
you can convince most white people of anything
1500 years of language, shame, and fear programming will do that to a people

[Anonymous No.17996755]

>>17996742
Seething westoid tranny lmao

[Anonymous No.17996765]

>>17996712
anyone with the stones to give shape and direction to reality
BY
THEIR
FRUITS
a soul of a people is housed within its language
what time is it
what do we need more of and what do we need less of
none of it is empirical, they just do different things

[Anonymous No.17996769]

>>17996632
somehow this made me feel better about my own demise

[Anonymous No.17996770]

>>17996632
>in a way the west dying is the best thing that could happen to it at this point.

It should be, but I do fear the US will be too fearful to make actual change for fear of cries of isolationism, or racism, or nationalism, or whatever-ism.

[Anonymous No.17996819]

>>17987344
I have noticed this usually unspoken acknowledgement of various white ethnicities in the US but blacks always tend to lump together all whites. This is most visible with Jews and "white" Hispanics that most whites in the US see as separate but blacks just assume they're all the same. One of these groups is rednecks who are mostly Scotch-Irish in ethnicity and are genetically and culturally distinct from the rest of the United States. They perform lower on IQ tests and have higher crimes/dropout rates/etc., although significantly better than blacks ofc, and speak a dialect distinct from the middle class Southerners and upper class Southerners that are not disparaged for their dialect. The only reason whites are not tarred with this brush is because Scotch-Irish rednecks are a very small percentage of whites as a whole and are culturally distinct whereas most blacks are part of this "ghetto" culture that speaks AAVE and the ones that are wealthier try to assimilate into white society.

[Anonymous No.17996830]

>>17980773
Remove this negro from the courtyard immediately!

[Anonymous No.17996848]

>>17996770
lol
post collapse, constructionists won't give a shit

[Anonymous No.17997121]

>>17980789
lold hard

[Anonymous No.17997226]

>>17996352
This post reminds me of 2012 /pol/. I remember when I still had slivers of hope.

[Anonymous No.17997256]

>>17997226
The funny part to me is that from my eNlIgHtEnEd centrist point of view I realize that the right plays into the hands of the left very easily.
Any working society will give the average shmuck without much ambition a dignified life.
Instead the discourse is the right saying that "if you aren't Patrick Bateman you have no place in society and deserve to starve," to which the left takes at face value and says "okay but we don't want to starve though."
I don't expect the right-wing to learn anything from this though, they will just continue losing majorly, only being allowed into power to pass material austerity.

[Anonymous No.17997305]

>>17997256
>Any working society will give the average shmuck without much ambition a dignified life.
>Instead the discourse is the right saying that "if you aren't Patrick Bateman you have no place in society and deserve to starve,"
none of this is centrist
you are left
right leaning don't expect "patrick bateman" and the fact you used such a hyperbolic example shows how much you're forcing strawman
>to which the left takes at face value and says "okay but we don't want to starve though."
this is such a fake argument
you sound like a plebbit-consuming leftist fence-sitter

"the right" as a whole are increasingly losing faith in institutional power

[Anonymous No.17997312]

>>17997305
The right has lost faith in institutional power because they've lost institutional power and will never get it back again.

[Anonymous No.17997337]

>>17984139
That's how languages work though. It's sad but true.

[Anonymous No.17997346]

>>17982681
>Linguist here
>www.reddit.com

[Anonymous No.17997623]

>>17997312
That shouldn't comfort you

[Anonymous No.17997632]

>>17997623
It doesn't. I'm just stating the truth. The world is undergoing a technological and cultural shift. While it's possible the right takes power after the final collapse of liberalism, I don't think me or my children will ever live to see it.

[Anonymous No.17997861]

>>17996819
That's the case with every race in the US though. Most blacks know the difference between Jamaicans, Haitians, Brazilians, Africans, and hispanic blacks but most whites think they're all the same. Most Latin people know the difference between Mexican, Panamanians, Argentinians, Cubans, etc but most whites still think they're the same. Same goes for Asians with Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Hmong, etc. Only people who regularly actually mingle with others or their cultures in those archetypes can really tell the difference. Same inversed, Blacks, Latinos, and Asians who don't frequently interact with whites just know they're "white".

Also it's not like most US whites could tell you that rednecks are mostly scotish-irish. They have a vague idea of various ethnicities but I doubt most of them born past the 80s could reasonably identify them.

[Anonymous No.17998990]

>>17980983
Are you black?

[Anonymous No.17999107]

>>17982854
sick

[Anonymous No.17999269]

>>17997256
>"if you aren't Patrick Bateman you have no place in society and deserve to starve,"
Where the fuck do you live where you've heard anyone make this argument?

[Anonymous No.18000388]

>>17980773
No, it is not. Niggers are just dumb animals who can't speak proper English.