Non-Nazi Fascism

[Anonymous No.17929875]

Any books on fascism that explain what it is? Don't care for thw nazi shit and their racism just want to know how fascisms works in a country

[Anonymous No.17929885]

>>17929875
Oswald Mosley - The Greater Britain

[Anonymous No.17929894]

>>17929875

[Anonymous No.17929971]

>>17929885
His Fascism: 100 questions is good too.

[Anonymous No.17930052]

The Doctrine of Fascism by Giovanni Gentile
For My Legionnaires by Cornelius Codreanu
Imperium by Francis Parker Yokey

[Anonymous No.17930833]

>>17929894
This.

>nazism is shit, racism is bad
Literally plebfiltered lol

[Anonymous No.17930869]

>>17929875
Mussolini cared about race too he just wasn’t a retard like Hitler.

[Anonymous No.17930909]

>>17929875
Stanley Rosen
Roger Griffith
The primary sources (Declaration, Gentile, d’Annuzio)

[Anonymous No.17930919]

>>17929875
I was reading about Italian Fascism and Austrofascism the other day. I am not Fascist but I just thought it was so much smarter to have a right wing movement that actually unified people and put them in service of the nation at large, and wasn't stupid enough to believe in blood horoscopes, than the weirdo bullshit the Nazis came up with. It really made me wonder why today's "Fascists" tend to be so obsessed with race. My guess: They're just more attracted to "I'm better because of ancestry rather than merits!!!" and don't actually care about any sort of real Fascist program meant to serve anybody. Can any self-respecting Nazi tell me if that's accurate of the usual Nazis? It's funny but what I'm basically saying is, these far right wingers are actually ironically more larpers than they are principled right wingers. Which is sad, like...what are they? Should they even be on a political compass anymore? It's so sad. Anybody who lacks principles other than muh resentment is literally the Last Man.

[Anonymous No.17930931]

>>17930869
Hitler wasn't a retard, he was just compiling the equivalent of nowadays pop science about a still budding raciology in Mein kampf and had a quite vague doctrine that was just about self-preservation and self-cultivation, that passing by the ostracisation of Jews.
Other than that it's pretty tame, but that great intuition he shared with the Americans has now been demonized (people say he was racialistically anti Slav or anti French or anti Latin, that he thought they were not Aryan and Untermenschen when it was clearly not the case).

[Anonymous No.17931023]

>>17930931
Nah he was mentally ill and extremely autistic.

[Anonymous No.17931027]

>>17931023
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.17931051]

>>17931027
He was a vegan

[Anonymous No.17931068]

>>17929875
Roman Empire was fascist

[Anonymous No.17931074]

>>17931051
Nope, a vegetarian. I reckon he changed his diet after the war or after his niece's death, apparently it was caused by some shock.
Veganism is animal worship and misanthropy, it's something very different.

[Anonymous No.17931127]

>>17931074
>after his niece's death
It was this according to David Irving.

[Anonymous No.17931155]

>>17929875
Mussolini, Gentile and Mosley all wrote books clearly and unambiguously defining fascism. The fact that the term 'fascism' is applied as broadly as it is today is infuriatingly stupid.

[Anonymous No.17931207]

>>17930869
He cared a lot less about it. He wanted a Nova Imperium Romanum, which is an insane fantasy in and of itself, and the Empire was always multiethnic and had no clear racial concept.

>>17931027
>Prove it
The Psychopathic God by Robert G. L. Waite

[Anonymous No.17931514]

>>17930919
>It really made me wonder why today's "Fascists" tend to be so obsessed with race.
On the one hand it's part of the zeitgeist. Race is a major cutural factor at this moment and due to the currentand historical tensions here in the United States it is going to be a major factor in any political viewpoint.
When one also considers that the only form of fascism that anyone really ever hears about is National Socialism it follows that the people who look into fascism are primarily going to learn about National Socialism. This coupled with the fact that the biological/materialist worldview has outpaced spiritual viewpoints, people are more likely to establish race as the cornerstone.

[Anonymous No.17931546]

>>17929875
It's just big governmental power combined with militaristic nationalism.

[Anonymous No.17931778]

Road to Serfdom

[Anonymous No.17931829]

>>17929875

[Anonymous No.17931918]

>>17929875
>just want to know how fascisms works in a country

[Anonymous No.17931956]

Read the Charter of Carnaro. Possibly the only actual fascist constitution.

[Anonymous No.17932204]

>>17930869
He only did when Hitler cucked him. Fascism as an ideology uses race as a tool for the oppression of the popular classes. Not as an end in themselves like they might claim.

>>17931068
not even close bucko. it was literally a cosmopolitan state

>>17931155
'clearly' and 'unamiguously' lol
Mussolini wrote jack shit. he got gentile to do it

>>17931956
proto-Fascist at best

>>17931074
>Veganism is animal worship and misanthropy
based

[Anonymous No.17932233]

>>17932204
>it was literally a cosmopolitan state
Which is not mutually exclusive with fascism.

[Anonymous No.17932283]

PLATOS REPUBLIC

PLATOS REPUBLIC

PLATOS REPUBLIC

PLATOS REPUBLIC

PLATOS REPUBLIC

PLATOS REPUBLIC

[Anonymous No.17932290]

>>17932233
It kind of is

[Anonymous No.17932297]

>>17932290
Nope.

[Anonymous No.17932308]

>>17932297
Yes it is. Multi-ethnic nations can't be fascist by definition.

[Anonymous No.17932314]

>>17932308
Where is that definition? Are you aware that Fascist Italy comprised both Italians, Albanians and Ethiopians? Are we arguing that Italy under Mussolini was not fascist now?

[Anonymous No.17932328]

>>17932308
Fascism just argues for class collaboration. It says nothing about race. National socialism is racist. Not fascism.

[Anonymous No.17932345]

>>17932314
>>17932328
Musolini changed his tune at the end.

[Anonymous No.17932362]

>>17932345
Ok, how about Nazi Germany:
>Scandinavian SS Division
>French SS Division
>Netherlander SS Division

[Anonymous No.17932375]

>>17932345
That was to please the Germans, not for ideology.

[Anonymous No.17932383]

>>17932362
All of those had one thing in common: They were Caucasian and European.

[Anonymous No.17932418]

>>17932383
And? That has nothing to do with cosmopolitanism. They were all separate ethnic groups. Also see the webm I added, Hitler even had Muslim (dark-skinned) SS units. Keep grasping for straws though.
>muh fascism can't be cosmopolitan because it just can't!

[Anonymous No.17932440]

>>17932233
This is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read on this site
>>17932418
at that point fascism isn't even fucking fascism

[Anonymous No.17932461]

>>17932440
You're the dumbest poster on the site.

[Anonymous No.17932473]

>>17932440
>at that point fascism isn't even fucking fascism
According to whom? To you? Why is your opinion on what fascism is or is not relevant? I've just provided examples on why both Italy and Germany, the two major fascist regimes that ever existed, were both more or less cosmopolitan. What do you have to support your position? Do you want to argue that Nazi Germany and Italy were not fascist?

[Anonymous No.17932494]

>>17929875
This book is a very brisk read and is a very good introductory primer to what fascism is and the history of fascist movements in the 20th century. Also spends some time talking about how fascism has historically been difficult to describe accurately and why that is. Definitely worth checking out, probably one of the most useful books I read when studying fascism at university.

https://www.amazon.com/Fascism-Very-Short-Introduction-Introductions/dp/0199685363

[Anonymous No.17932511]

>>17929875
I don't know that fascism is inherently a racist ideology, but why did all prominent fascist leaders promote racially oppressive practices and laws? Why do many of those who identify as fascists, even now, hold racist and/or anti-Semitic views?

[Anonymous No.17932533]

>>17932308
This isn't necessarily true. There have been plenty of fascist movements that are multi-ethnic. Your point applies for fascist movements which identify membership to the nation THROUGH ethnicity, however, not all fascist movements do so. I would say that a majority of fascist movements historically did, but by no means did all of them, so it cannot accurately be called a fundamental aspect of fascism.

[Anonymous No.17932541]

>>17931207
>Nova
Novum

[Anonymous No.17932553]

>>17932511
It's largely because fascism is an expression of extreme hyper-nationalism, and most of the movements historically defined belonging to a nation through biological/racial terms.

[Anonymous No.17932567]

>>17932541
>Novum
Novus

[Anonymous No.17932607]

>>17932494
this sounds about right for OP >>17929875 if you're just trying to get a handle on what 'fascism' actually means when you hear it thrown around in modern discourse and aren't trying to indoctrinate yourself since it is a system engineered by a few select individuals pertaining to specific instance in time and institutions - you could read their primary works but you really ought to examine it with a distanced perspective.

[Anonymous No.17932636]

>>17932553
>>17932511
A distinction must be made between fascism and National Socialism, they are similar but have marked ideological differences. fascism is based on the idea of the nation-state.

[Anonymous No.17933238]

Park Chung-hee and Lee Kuan Yew

[Anonymous No.17933501]

>>17929875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdY_IMZH2Ko

[Anonymous No.17933595]

>>17932283
Plato’s caste system is pretty based

[Anonymous No.17933619]

>>17929894
>a fat brainlet who thinks he is like the Caesar
Wtf is wrong with Italian people?

[Anonymous No.17933723]

>>17933619
They have a history

[Anonymous No.17933751]

I think it can be argued that there is no such thing as fascist philosophy in the current sense of the term. It is very difficult to identify core principles underlying Mussolini's corporatism, Hitlerism and Franco's dictatorship.
Wasn't the origin of the term fascism in this broader sense he Communist view that "fascism" is the last attempt of Capitalism to prevent the emancipation of the workers? Even if that explanation is correct it does not tell us what fascism is in itself, only its origin.

[Anonymous No.17933842]

>>17933751
The commie definition is pure propaganda and should not be taken seriously.

The origin of the term "fascism" stems from the word "fasces", that is a bundle of sticks tied together (= unity is strength).

[Anonymous No.17933869]

>>17933842
You are aware that the word "fag" has the same root, right?

So basically fascism = faggotry and that's all you need to know.

[Anonymous No.17933874]

>>17933842
The commie definition does not deny the etymological definition you gave. The real problem with it is that its not a definition. If you say that fascism is the last attempt of Capitalism to prevent the emancipation of workers, you are not telling us what fascism is in itself (ie identifying its positive qualities as a political philosophy or a system o government), you are just describing its function.

[Anonymous No.17933875]

>>17932440
Lmao this is your brain on basic bitch lefty rhetoric

[Anonymous No.17933883]

>>17933874
Of course it has to be about Capitalism. What the fuck is not caused by Capitalism at this point?

[Anonymous No.17933964]

>>17929875
Almost every single third posistionist in this list (I mistakenly put Roger Scruton [pbuh] in third position, ignore it)

https://ghostbin.co/paste/zwm82

[Anonymous No.17934167]

>>17933883
You being gay.
Wait...

[Anonymous No.17934198]

>>17929875
>just want to know how fascisms works in a country

It doesn't. Read Marx.

[Anonymous No.17934199]

>>17931027
He murdered millions of innocent civilians.

[Anonymous No.17934202]

>>17930919
You haven't been here for long, haven't you?

[Anonymous No.17934203]

>>17932308
Retard

[Anonymous No.17934209]

>>17930919
This

[Anonymous No.17934216]

>>17934198
>Read Marx
Sorry but i don't want to speed up my retardation

[Anonymous No.17934225]

>>17929875
Read A. James Gregor

[Anonymous No.17934233]

>>17930919
In my opinion it's contrarianism, the picture they have of fascism is a liberal media invention and since they rightfully hate them they embraced the boogeyman

[Anonymous No.17934244]

>>17933874
But it's completely retarded nonetheless considering italy was not an industrial nation before fascism came around, the proletariat was too small to be relevant.
Communists never really thought about countries with slow economy, they always had in mind the UK, Germany, France so they really could not understand what was going on in Italy, then there was soviet propaganda and now so-called communists turned into some kind of crusaders against le evil (capitalism, fascism), they are far away from the dry rationality of their elders, they're just too autistically self-centered

[Anonymous No.17934247]

>>17934225
And Stanley G. Payne

[Anonymous No.17934309]

>>17934244
I just think it is irrelevant if the commies are right or not, a definition of a thing can never be a description of how it came about, because then you are describing the relation of fascism to the social circumstances that brought it about, but you are not telling us what fascism is itself, what are the positive qualities that make up the fascist system or philosophy. And as I said I think there is a plausible case to be made that the very notion of fascism is itself confused, that there is no common basis behind Mussolini's totalitarianism and that of Hitler's. One could make the case that fascism is not a philosophy but simply a collection of characteristics certain 20th century political regimes had, but then fascism becomes arbitrarily defined as whatever Hitler's and Mussolini's regimes happened to have in common.

[Anonymous No.17934341]

>>17934309
I think you are referring to two different terms: fascism as italian fascism which is an ideology with actual philosophy behind it (A. James Gregor's Mussolini's intellectuals is the best book on the subject), and "fascism" as an ill defined generic term used by both academia, the media and the political

[Anonymous No.17934397]

>>17934341
they are not two different terms, one is a defined ideology the other is a strawman

[Anonymous No.17934398]

>>17933964
Nice,big mog
Needed that
Saved
>>17933501
I like TIK because he debunks stormfront conspiracies,but that's about it,his personality is trash,he has a clear bias,and I'm not even sure if he's Christian (he is a big moral fag)
>he said that jews are horrible people...................(a moment of silence for le jews)
>but let's ignore the insanity a little bit...................
>he's like a insane guru or something but he isn't fascist
>I'm going to act like these things are very very bad,they are bad because they are,ok?
>he hated democracy,and this is b a d
Sure I don't like zoomers who fetishize nazi germany and their ideology as literally perfect but watching TIK makes me feel like I'm watching a woke news network...................
Let me repeat that
I t ' s l i k e w a t c h i n g a w o k e n e w s n e t w o r k
This is what I said

Shit like that makes him really annoying.
This is how he talks and I can't stand it, tried my best writing it.
>>17929885
As much as I like Mosley's racial views (exception being le integrated europe) I still think it's too materialistic.
It would probably still lead to a technological dystopia,like communism or liberalism.
Lefties have good critiques of Corporatism and Syndicalism too,please someone post them,I'm too lazy
>>17930931
I'm not sure what would happen if Nat-soc Germany won WW2,but they clearly wanted to genocide slavs in our timeline.
Nat-soc would still create a technological dystopia,it would still try to end history,like liberalism tries to today or like communism would want to

[Anonymous No.17934435]

>>17934341
I am talking about the second.

[Anonymous No.17934490]

>>17934398
>Needed that
>Saved
No problem

[Anonymous No.17934560]

>>17930919
le magickal race worship isn't what the NS believed. They were, in reality, probably far more "boring" compared to their hollywood counterparts.
>"I'm better because of ancestry rather than merits!!!"
this is a pretty tired, george carlin-tier take. Race isn't about the individual, but the collective. The point is that it's yours and you're meant to uplift it.

hitler was known for being very meritocratic, he hated mediocre bureaucracy and didn't get along with the aristocrats very well
You're gonna have a hard time finding an objective analysis of national socialism regardless, because they're the eternal bad guys in the post-war liberal mythos

[Anonymous No.17934971]

Everything you need to know about it is in the origins and doctrine of fascism. It's pretty much basic bitch hegelian faggotry that accepts all of M*rx's premises but rejects his proposed solution and instead of seeking revolutionary class war it strives for class collaboration within the confines of a corporate nation-state. It's just edgy socialistic contrarianism that can't even into proper reactionaryism.

https://timeonhands.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/the-doctrine-of-fascism.pdf