Plato said books are for sissies

[Anonymous No.17892317]

Plato disencourages the maintenance of philosophy through literature and emphasizes the importance of the philosophical tradition being rhetorical; philosophizing shouldn't be passive, since, afterall, its an "activity".

[Anonymous No.17892539]

>>17892317
He doesn't focus on tradition, he just sees what is effective when he does it. You can attach to the written words, which is misleading.
Just keep the focus on what you want and don't make secondary stuff distract you. We almost only have books to learn from.

[Anonymous No.17892564]

>disencourage

yeah i bet you'd like to abandon the world of letters wouldn't you, pussy.

[Anonymous No.17892577]

>>17892564
>yeah i bet you'd like to abandon the world of letters wouldn't you, pussy.

[Anonymous No.17892578]

>>17892317
>We almost only have books to learn from.
That does become negative.
If you don't have talented and competent teachers then all you have is textbook excercises that go nowhere, which is the current problem of mass education. It has become atrociously bad.

[Anonymous No.17892585]

>>17892577
missed me with that shit. nice dubs.

[Anonymous No.17892596]

>>17892539
You can learn a great deal from the people around you and the narrative of life, you will never know everything, you will know about what you care about, only difference between a person who learnes through rhetoric and a bookworm is that the person who gained knowledge from rhetoric actively improved his life.

[Anonymous No.17892600]

>>17892596
(his real actual life that is)

[Anonymous No.17892605]

>>17892585

[Anonymous No.17892607]

I think he is right in a perfect world, we don't live in a utopia after all.

Lets be honest, he also would have discouraged people from reading the Iliad and the Odyssey, or any kind of comedies or tragedies.

If he witnessed the invention of the television, he would literally cringe himself to death, which is a great reason why our generation discouraging television is good: it portrays meaningless stories and fables where one loses oneself or aspects of oneself. :3

[Anonymous No.17892632]

>>17892607
I honestly think it wouldnt make that big of a difference if all literature suddenly dissapeared from the face of the earth, people would still ( and will always) be more susceptible to education by rhetoric, the act of reading creates an unhealthy realm of passivity that could possibly create an imbalance in life, it would probably be not bad to integrate it into your life if you need to for downtime, but yeah, in a perfect world, we'd be part of pure experience.

[Anonymous No.17892651]

>>17892578
People who read have been and always will be a minority, its purpose is a state of isolation, which most people dont favor

[Anonymous No.17892708]

>>17892607
>If he witnessed the invention of the television, he would literally cringe himself to death
A kekd at this, I think that is exactly what he would do

[Anonymous No.17892731]

>>17892607
>he also would have discouraged people from reading the Iliad and the Odyssey, or any kind of comedies or tragedies
They were meant to be sung.

[Anonymous No.17892733]

>>17892632
In a perfect world. But in an imperfect world, reading is the next best thing.

[Anonymous No.17892734]

>says literature bad
>writes foundational philosophical literature
Curious. I am very intelligent

[Anonymous No.17892737]

>>17892731
But the quote was in regard to philosophy, not tragedies or comedies, which he discouraged.

[Anonymous No.17892758]

>>17892733
Basically, just dont indulge too much in literature, it unhealthy and find friends with which you can discuss philosophy, I'm genuinely surprised how many people on this board claim to be both in college and still overly indulge in literature

[Anonymous No.17892759]

>>17892596
Man, idk if you read Plato to learn stuff you can easily find around. I know I don't, but the few people I met that are interested in these things are important for me

[Anonymous No.17892766]

>>17892734
>>17892737
helo, op here, i drew this in paint, u jelly?

[Anonymous No.17892775]

>>17892734
Which were dialogues. You know, of people speaking. About philosophy. Which is what the quote was about.

>I am very intelligent
Doubt.jpg

[Anonymous No.17892778]

>>17892759
Go to college

[Anonymous No.17892781]

>>17892578
Kinda agree, but let's think about savings ourselves before others.

[Anonymous No.17892785]

>>17892775
>>I am very intelligent
>Doubt.jpg
based destroyer of pseuds

[Anonymous No.17892789]

>>17892775
>>17892785
You have to go back.

[Anonymous No.17892791]

>>17892734
yea but he didnt write monologues like 99% of all nonfiction literature (intentionally) (hint)

[Anonymous No.17892792]

>>17892789
Go back to where? You're the twittard.

[Anonymous No.17892800]

>>17892791
>he didnt write monologues
You ever read the Timaeus?

[Anonymous No.17892805]

>>17892789
Actually, you never belonged here in the first place; I have sex with all the female members of your family

[Anonymous No.17892816]

>>17892800
the laws? who gives a fuck, its 1% of his body of work and its still a dialogue, the argument still applies either way

[Anonymous No.17892821]

>>17892792
>>17892805
Lies.

[Anonymous No.17892828]

>>17892821
I disagree.

[Anonymous No.17892834]

>>17892816
>confusing Timaeus for Laws
90% of it is a monologue which was hugely influential in medieval and islamic philosophy. Laws is a dialogue between three old men representing different constitutions. The Parmenides also ends with a gigantic monologue, and his student wrote 4000 pages of what we would consider traditional philosophical treatises.

[Anonymous No.17892847]

>>17892828
I cast mirror. You now disagree with yourself.

[Anonymous No.17892851]

>>17892834
Still all dialogues if I recall correctly.
Also, with monologues I mean basically what western philosophy is, you open the book and its a monologue directed at you.

[Anonymous No.17892861]

>>17892847
Facts are indifferent to all opinions

[Anonymous No.17892879]

>>17892778
Degree in philosophy and it's shit: noone cares about truth, everyone is just looking for something that makes them look right.
Read Plato.

[Anonymous No.17892919]

>>17892879
>Degree in philosophy
Kek, you were a humanitiesfag? You were unkempt and asocial, right? Shouldve studied something practical and took some humanities classes on the sides, most students philosophize on the site, if you made no friends in college, youre just a huge fag desu.

[Anonymous No.17892925]

>>17892919
*side

[Anonymous No.17892938]

>>17892879
>bro im totally gonna become a philosophy professor, its not like everybody in this class wants to be one

[Anonymous No.17892965]

>>17892938
most philosophy majors want to be lawyers

[Anonymous No.17892987]

>>17892965
Because some job statistics site said most philosophy students become lawyers? They have to study law on top, dum dum, most LAW students become lawyers.

[Anonymous No.17893009]

>>17892987
There aren't undergraduate degrees in law in America. Saying your studying law as an undergrad is like being a pre-med.

[Anonymous No.17893017]

I wish penguin classics still looked like this, very aesthetically pleasing and classier than the minimalist black.

[Anonymous No.17893028]

>>17892965
also, youre on /lit/, most people on this board have a god-complex because they read a wiki article about neetshee, I doubt you wanted to be some nobody lawyer

[Anonymous No.17893036]

>>17893009
im from germany, sorry third worlder

[Anonymous No.17893111]

>>17893028
I'm not the anon who majored in philosophy. Most American programs are centered around analytic philosophy and prepping students for law school. You're right that I don't want to be a lawyer though, I majored in wildlife science instead.
>>17893036
Awful country with no wilderness. I'd rather be a poojeet than a german.

[Anonymous No.17893114]

>>17892919
>>17892938
Chill bois, I regret nothing. It's just that in university alone you won't find the answer. You need to look for it yourself.
I don't mean alone, I actually found that sharing the path with friends is very important

[Anonymous No.17893264]

>>17892861
Spells aren't opinions.

[Anonymous No.17893584]

>>17892317
>Plato said books are for sissies
>Plato wrote books
What did Plato mean by this bros?

[Anonymous No.17893755]

>>17892539
You write like you have an ice pick lodged in your brain.

[Anonymous No.17893828]

>>17893584
He wrote books to call you a faggot. What's so hard to understand?