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[Anonymous No.17883879]

>read the bible because I'm doomer as fuck and need salvation
>become even more cynical

I've always hated religion and I especially hate churches, so when I read the New Testament and realized that most of what Jesus preaches are actually ascetic and socialist ideologies, I grew to hate religious sheeple even more. There is no way anyone who is a Roman Catholic or attends any of those megachurches like Joel 'Satan' Osteen's has ever actually read the New Testament. Jesus himself was pretty cool though sans all that divine punishment talk.

[Anonymous No.17883884]

>>17883879
Explain how Jesus preaches 'socialist ideology'.

[Anonymous No.17883889]

>>17883879
just kys, retard.

[Anonymous No.17883894]

>>17883879
>socialist ideologies
Stop reading your materialism into the Bible

[Anonymous No.17883900]

>>17883879
>most of what Jesus preaches are actually ascetic and socialist ideologies

Based.

[Anonymous No.17883912]

>>17883879
>socialism
Is materialist bullshit that holds that everyone will be happy after we reach material abundance.

[Anonymous No.17883929]

>>17883879
>Jesus himself was pretty cool though sans all that divine punishment talk.
Pure onions.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.17883934]

>>17883884
Explain how it’s not.

[Anonymous No.17883985]

>>17883934
That wasn't an explanation you tard.

[Anonymous No.17883991]

I think it has to do with the Old Testament but im not sure

[Anonymous No.17883993]

>>17883879
Filtered brainlet.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.17884009]

>>17883985
No, everyone understands Jesus was all about the meek inheriting the earth and how the rich man will have a really hard time getting into heaven. EV ER Y ONE

[Anonymous No.17884037]

>>17884009
>how the rich man will have a really hard time getting into heaven.
Not because “rich man bad”, but because the man with wealth has more means with which to sin. Jesus has nothing to do with your worldly politics

[Anonymous No.17884038]

>>17884009
The original translation is 'quiet' not submissive.

>EV ER Y ONE
No.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.17884083]

>>17884037
Are you Catholic?

[Anonymous No.17884090]

>>17883884
Luke 3:10 - 3:14

Jesus definitely believes in the Marxist doctrine of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." See Luke 3:11.

Jesus believes in the authority of the state and he isn't against taxation but is against usury and interest. Its why he is for "rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar" but is not in favor of the money chargers in the temple. (Matthew 22:21)

Important to note the difference between taxation and usury. Luke 3:13 - 3:14 once again shows Jesus understands the necessity of taxation but that it can easily become usury once more than what is necessary is taken from the people.

What Jesus would be against is Caesar using the people's taxes for Caesar's own enjoyment instead of redistributing it back into society. That is why it is so hard for the rich to go into heaven, because only those who are rich that share their wealth with the rest of society are allowed into heaven.

Other passages to look at: Matthew 19:23, Matthew 25:31 - 46, and Luke 6:20 - 21

[Anonymous No.17884136]

>>17884090
>Jesus definitely believes in the Marxist doctrine
>Jesus believes in the authority of the state
>What Jesus would be against is
Look at this commie blaspheming his Lord and Savior

[Anonymous No.17884153]

>>17884090
>What Jesus would be against is Caesar using the people's taxes for Caesar's own enjoyment instead of redistributing it back into society.
Jesus is against you trying to tell Caesar to do anything at all. You give your taxes to Caesar, you don't tell him what to do or try to become him.

This is also the reason commies cannot fathom the concept of charity vs welfare

[Anonymous No.17884214]

>>17884090
>rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar
Imagine getting filtered by that. Material goods concern the material world, what is spiritual is of God.

[Anonymous No.17884218]

>>17884214
Then what does God need all those donations for?

[Anonymous No.17884222]

>>17884218
The Church used to give money to poors.

[Anonymous No.17884224]

>>17884136
>>Jesus believes in the authority of the state
So the reign of Theodosius was illegitimate, then? Do we have to disband the Catholic Church now?

[Anonymous No.17884260]

>>17884090
All of that is negated by Matthew 4:4
>But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Miss me with your gay shit

[Anonymous No.17884261]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Meditations-Tarot-Journey-Christian-Hermeticism/dp/1585421618

[Anonymous No.17884279]

>>17883879
>Cynical
A pleb cope to hide stupidity.

[Anonymous No.17884308]

>>17884090
well if taxes and distributing wealth through social programs, and anti-usury sentiment is socialism at least we can finally establish that national socialism is indeed socialism

[Anonymous No.17884315]

>>17883879
Seems like you don't know what's Christianity. Christianity existed before the New Testament was written down. Which books belong in the Bible isn't even in the Bible in the first place. The way they know what's in the Bible is from tradition.
Christianity =/= religion of the Bible
>both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same sense of loyalty and reverence

[Anonymous No.17884328]

>>17884315
>Christianity =/= religion of the Bible
Incorrect

[Anonymous No.17884349]

>>17883879
Read the desert fathers.

[Anonymous No.17884356]

>>17884328
>Incorrect
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.17884366]

>>17884356
Explain

[Anonymous No.17884416]

>>17884349
Saint Antony is based

[Anonymous No.17884429]

>>17884366
The Bible is a record of the past. The events in the New Testament occurred before it was written. What were these Christians relying before it was written then? The words of Jesus and God's revelations and those things spread orally by men. So those words of Jesus and God's revelations can exist without the Bible as they have. Same as what happened before the OT was written.

[Anonymous No.17884463]

>>17884429
I mean mostly of the past. Revelations is about the future.

[Anonymous No.17884471]

The criticism of the Catholic church is largely unearned, especially in modern times. It's by far the largest charity on earth. In the past it was basically what the welfare state is now.

[Anonymous No.17884474]

>>17883879
ur such a doomer floomer boomer wooner toomer am i right

[Anonymous No.17884490]

>>17883912

>people tend to be happier when they have food and shelter

Holy shit no way

[Anonymous No.17884569]

>>17884463
and it wasn't accepted for century until people confused the author with another guy because he had the same name

[Anonymous No.17884583]

>>17884490
Socialism failed horribly at this see pic rel

[Anonymous No.17884609]

>>17884583

Capitalism ain't doing much better buddy

[Anonymous No.17884620]

>>17884583
those people only had to starve because the white army and its supporters would not capitulate to the demands of communism, its capitalism's fault not communism's. communism is great when every person does their part and does not resist. if they just pledged their loyalty to the bolsheviks they might have gotten some rations, but they didnt, so their food was confiscated to feed the war effort and reserved for loyal supporters of the cause.

basically they deserved what they got

[Anonymous No.17884630]

>>17884609

[Anonymous No.17884642]

>>17884620
>if everyone acted ideally then my ideology would have worked!!!!
Nice system for the real world retard

[Anonymous No.17884648]

>>17884642
It applies to your fascist wonderland also, retard.

[Anonymous No.17884654]

>>17884620
>communism is great when every person does their part and does not resist
Like during the Chinese famine of the late 50s?
>From his research, Yang estimates that 36 million died during the famine. Most deaths were caused by starvation, but the figure also includes killing during ideological campaigns. Some Western scholars have put the toll as high as 45 million.
>Unbearable hunger made people behave in inhuman ways. Even government records reported cases where people ate human flesh from dead bodies.
>"Documents report several thousand cases where people ate other people," Yang says. "Parents ate their own kids. Kids ate their own parents. And we couldn't have imagined there was still grain in the warehouses. At the worst time, the government was still exporting grain."

[Anonymous No.17884668]

>>17884648
>assumes I'm fascist
Good thing you realize your system does not work in reality, friend

[Anonymous No.17884680]

>>17883879
>because I'm doomer as fuck and need salvation
Imagine the type of human being that actually types something like this out

[Anonymous No.17884713]

>>17884648
are you retarded? fascism does not have the same problem because it involves established hierarchy and authoritarian administrative oversight that keeps people in line and deals with those who step out of line. the problem with leftist ideologies is they claim they will remodel society into an egalitarian wonderland without any sort of overt site or authoritarian hierarchies, but it turns you its not really possible to reform society on a massive scale without some sort of centralized power.

[Anonymous No.17884732]

>>17884654
..that grain had to be sold off to keep the communist party going, and upholding the cause of communism is in everyone's best interest.

[Anonymous No.17884762]

>>17884732
>it's fine to let millions of people to starve so that the economic system that caused their starvation be mantained (because it's in their best interest)

[Anonymous No.17884777]

>>17884630
>muh lines on a grapherino

[Anonymous No.17884778]

>>17884732
>upholding the cause of communism
Aaaaaand now they don’t uphold communism anymore.

[Anonymous No.17884784]

>>17884777
Wasted trips

[Anonymous No.17884789]

>>17884732
>upholding the cause of communism is in everyone's best interest.
it clearly wasn't in the best interest of the people who needed the grain lmao

[Anonymous No.17884800]

>>17884778
China and the USSR would have turned over the means of production to the people as soon as the threat of capitalism is eliminated. people will eventually do what is right and the world will be communist.
>>17884762
yes the pursuit of communism is objectively in every working class persons best interest, that doesn't change just because of some speedbumps

[Anonymous No.17884803]

>>17884789
people die for causes all the time

[Anonymous No.17884811]

>>17884136
more like Marx believed in the Jesus Doctrine

[Anonymous No.17884820]

>>17884803
Well I hope you're ready to be starved to death yourself then

[Anonymous No.17884821]

>>17884800
Ok this is bait lmao

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>>17884821
This whole board is 99% bait

[Anonymous No.17884862]

>>17884840
Honestly I agree, the main reason why I do not come here anymore. It seems everytime I come back the IQ has lowered 20 points

[Anonymous No.17884869]

>>17884821
im sorry but capitalism is NOT sustainable, eventually it will give way to communism the same way feudalism gave way to capitalism, this was already established a long time ago by Marx.

[Anonymous No.17884882]

>>17884869

[Anonymous No.17884899]

>>17884869
Nigga you're assuming everyone is perfectly rational, that alone is enough to realize what you say is retarded, even if we assume that communism IS "in the best interest of everyone" which is highly debatable in of itself.

If everyone did what is in their best interest, then the world would be an utopia already.

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>>17884862
I know...

[Anonymous No.17884909]

>>17884840
You of all people should know that people will do the right thing if given the option to escape capitalism.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.17884949]

>>17884909
I’m hoping. Trying to think of ways to help it happen

[Anonymous No.17884972]

>>17884949
So maybe dont shame me and call my post bait for suggesting the same thing???

[Anonymous No.17885003]

>>17884972
>>17884949
The trannies are turning against themselves

[Anonymous No.17885007]

>>17884972
Maybe stop making abherrant posts that even the people from the same dumb ideology think are retarded???

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.17885015]

>>17884972
I didn’t. I doubt China, but we’ll see.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.17885023]

>>17885003
>rent free tranny spooks

[Anonymous No.17885032]

>>17884972
You will never be a woman and no political system will change that

[Anonymous No.17885038]

>>17883884

You actually puff peters if you think Christ did not lionize giving to those in need and taking from those with excess. Gluttony and greed are 2 of the most damning sins.

[Anonymous No.17885078]

>>17885038
>socialism is when the government does stuff!

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.17885113]

>>17885078
Not even what he said.

[Anonymous No.17885282]

>>17883879
I see you have fallen into Judas's trap.

[Anonymous No.17885351]

>>17885113
he implied that socialism is a any time there is some sort of top down wealth distribution, that is incorrect. liberal capitalism had top down wealth distribution programs, that doesnt make it socialist

[Anonymous No.17886226]

>>17883879
Yes.

>>17884037
>Wealth isn't intrinsically bad, it just means you could potentially be more sinful.
Not according to Jesus. Recall that when a rich man asked to join up with Jesus, Jesus told him to give up his wealth. When the rich man refused, Jesus told him that he isn't worthy of heaven. Also, in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus unequivocally states that rich people will not be rewarded in the afterlife, because they have already received their reward. He even said that it is more difficult for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Having wealth basically precludes you from heaven, and faith won't save you. Faith-based salvation is completely absent from the Gospels and was Paul's idea. In fact, the twelve apostles disagreed with Paul's interpretation, as recorded in Acts. In the Gospels, Jesus is totally unambiguous about what gets you into heaven, but what the Church teaches is radically different than Jesus' word.
Of course, if the Church had demanded an ascetic lifestyle, it probably would never have become popular. In fact, the Church persecuted many ascetic sects of Christianity as heretics.

>>17885038
Yes, but bear in mind that the seven deadly sins were invented long after Jesus' death.

[Anonymous No.17886230]

>>17884083
Are you a real woman?

[Anonymous No.17886554]

>>17883879
>read the bible because I'm doomer as fuck and need salvation
>reads fucking BOOK OF JOB
yikes

[Anonymous No.17886574]

>>17883879
Please consider deeply why you are so easily manipulated by internet memes. Not only the 'doomer' thing, but actually reading the bible when you said you always hated religion.

[Anonymous No.17886630]

>>17883879
>stoics
>so popular that they start to piss people off in Rome
>jesus: give to caesar what belongs to caesar
>christiams: OMFG

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.17886659]

>>17886230
Yes.

[Anonymous No.17887465]

kill yourself

[Anonymous No.17887611]

>>17883934
because Jesus doesn't believe life is a class struggle. he just has immense sympathy for the lower classes. you could argue he's a socialist in spirit and he's certainly class conscious, but he's not socialist

[Anonymous No.17887624]

>>17884900
Is this the real butterfly or a fake one? What happened to your other trips?

[Anonymous No.17888101]

>>17883934
Jesus wasn't a materialist. Enough said.

[Anonymous No.17888109]

>>17888101
What about Christian socialists like David Bentley Hart and Leo Tolstoy.

[Anonymous No.17888161]

>>17888109
What about your moms fat titties

[Anonymous No.17888275]

Unironically I don't understand or care about your existential issues. It seems self-induced to me. I don't believe in anything and I'm pretty edgy and violent, yet I just chill and I'm fine. I didn't even really understand the notions of faith and salvation until I read the Second Apocalypse by Scott Bakker.

[Anonymous No.17888278]

>>17888161
Nice counter argument lol

[Anonymous No.17888295]

>>17883879
> Jesus himself was pretty cool though sans 90 percent of what he taught
Okay, faggot.

[Anonymous No.17888392]

>>17888295
>90 percent of what he taught
that would be to love your neighbor, m8

[Anonymous No.17888448]

>>17883879
Christianity won't give you salvation, there is no afterlife.

It will however give you a guilt complex and significantly increase the odds that your offspring will be molested.

[Anonymous No.17888467]

>>17884713
you are right, we need fascist communism.

[Anonymous No.17888481]

>>17884490
> people tend to be happier when they have food and shelter
Not really. The countries with most antidepressant and drug use aren't the ones that lack food or living space.

[Anonymous No.17888489]

>>17888481
Tell that to someone in a slum. I mean holy fuck dude, you sound like the most sheltered person ever

[Anonymous No.17888561]

>>17888481
has it ever occurred to you that those places also lack antidepressants?

[Anonymous No.17888668]

>>17884218
The modern physical church doesn't represent God if it ever did.

[Anonymous No.17888676]

>>17884222
Chekd

[Anonymous No.17888773]

>>17888109
Leo Tolstoy wasn't a Christian. In fact he was one of the few people to be expressly excommunicated from the Church for being unchristian.

[Anonymous No.17888780]

>>17888392
No you wouldn't. I don't take kindly to fags.

[Anonymous No.17888787]

>>17885038
Socialism is when Charity happens?

[Anonymous No.17888791]

>>17888561
They have drugs and booze. People self-medicate less in shitholes, this is a fact.

>>17888489
> leftist projection
People in slums don't have time to mope around and be unhappy. They're mean and dehumanizing places, but "unhappy" they are not.

[Anonymous No.17888807]

>>17888448
Fags molest kids at a rate of about ten million times more than religious people.

If you want to maximize the chances of your child getting molested your best bet is to take them to a homopride parade.

[Anonymous No.17889223]

>>17883934

Damn, Tranny, way to NOT answer the question.

[Anonymous No.17889441]

All organised religion is made up lies. Its so far devolved from the truth, that trying to figure out Jesus's message and the symbolism of his crucifixion from catholic theology for example , is like trying to figure out a copy of a copy of an original painting, but made by a 10 year child during art class.

[Anonymous No.17889579]

>>17888807
The difference is that the state prosecutes fag child molestors.
Religious people make them saints, popes, high priest, etc and actively protects + encourages them.

[Anonymous No.17889966]

>>17889441
WTF, I am anarchist wiccan nao
>>17889579
I wouldn't be so sure about that

[Anonymous No.17890178]

>>17883879
Please read the Catholic catechism, begin RCIA this fall, get confirmed next Easter and become one of the faithful.

[Anonymous No.17890210]

>>17884037
Actual fucking brainlet, is this what they teach in american churches? God damn, is this the level of denial in modern churches?
Jesus specifically says that rich people DO NOT GO TO HEAVEN. They are too involved and fond of material possesions to be so. They must give up their wealth. Any other interpretations of this is straight up denial and ideology, revamped christianity to fit market economies.
The fact that you're even denying this shows the state of fucking modern churches, its a fucking meme to be religious today unless you actually follow the teachings in the bible. You faggots have revamped it to the level of letting even pedos and murderers go to heaven as long as they in their dying breath mutter "Muh Jesus" and that would be acceptable to you cucks.
My god, at least stop the mental gymnastics around the bible, its pretty fucking straight forward what God wants from you.

[Anonymous No.17890236]

>>17888787
How is socialism not state mandated charity?

[Anonymous No.17890293]

>>17890178
If white Peepo love God so much, why no miracles happen to white peepo? Miracles and prophets only happen to arab and black peepo?

[Anonymous No.17891546]

>>17884811
Marx copied the Jesus Doctrine but removed all spirituality and made it strictly materialistic, which was the fatal flaw of Marxism.

[Anonymous No.17891556]

>>17891546
>>>
>spirituality good
>materialism bad
typical

[Anonymous No.17891567]

>>17890210
the blame can be put solely on protestantism. Americans using religion as a tool of social status, as early as Ben Franklin.
>I'm more successful in my career so I'm more likely to go to heaven

[Anonymous No.17891579]

>>17884315
>>both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same sense of loyalty and reverence
Apostolic Churches still believe in Prima Scriptura. The Bible was deemed the most important among Sacred Tradition.

[Anonymous No.17891609]

>>17883879
>ascetic and socialist ideologies
and now you understand a little more about why most people think Pope Francis is pretty great, while the ultra-right wing faction of the church is enlisting the likes of snakes like Steve Bannon to try and bring Francis down.

[Anonymous No.17891620]

>>17888481
Rich countries aren't depressed because they have food and shelter, but because they have luxury far above food and shelter that crowds out other psychological needs.

[Anonymous No.17891640]

>>17891546
>removed all the subjective bullshit and brought into reality
sounds good to me

[Anonymous No.17891654]

>>17891556
>>spirituality good
>>materialism bad
Both are good in their proper context. What makes pure materialism bad is not the materialism, but the lack of spirituality. Pure spirituality without any material concern is also bad, which is essentially what the Gnostics were about.

[Anonymous No.17891658]

>>17888791
>sees one picture of smiling kids in a favela

[Anonymous No.17891664]

>>17891640
>reality isn't entirely subjective
oh lawdy am I laffin

[Anonymous No.17891667]

>>17891654
I'm going to be honest, I don't really understand what "spirituality" even is. What function does it serve, why is it necessary?

[Anonymous No.17891711]

>>17891667
Broadly speaking, it's concern for the human mind, soul, spirit, whatever you want to call it. The function of it is to help you understand the part of yourself that isn't material. It's necessary because only studying the physical will leave you with an incomplete understanding of human beings.

[Anonymous No.17891748]

>>17891609
Pope Benedict allowed high-ranking Catholics who abused children to be prosecuted by their own countries and refused to protect them. Francis reversed that approach and continues to protect them. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.17891761]

>>17891711
Is psychoanalysis a spiritual practice?

[Anonymous No.17891806]

>>17891761
In some sense, but it falls short of religion because it doesn't deal with the question of eternity.

[Anonymous No.17891813]

>>17891667
Not him, but I'll try to develop what I think of when I think of "spirituality" while keeping it within the current topic.

A lot of the posts itt make me think of an early passage in the Brothers Karamazov where a character (Zosima) explains the necessity of spirituality in materialistic constructs like the "State" perfectly, not that I necessarily agree with that, but to explain Zosima's stance: if you feel like the State is exploiting you--which is common in communist countries--any crime is easily interpreted as an act of revolt against an unjustly oppressive power and not a crime at all. It is far harder to justify a crime done against a spiritual institution like the Christian Church (assuming you identify as Christian to begin with). Any crime done to the Church is a crime done to God. I guess God is supposed to be in all of us, so the crime would therefore also be done to us.

I do want to say I think this stance is extremely flawed, but at its core, it is basically about how religious spirituality is a better way of keeping men together under a set of laws, and not something more closely linked with nonreligion or materialism like say state socialism or social contracts.

[Anonymous No.17891845]

>>17884630
how's this for a chart you fucking imbecile

[Anonymous No.17891853]

>>17884630
communist czech republic beginning in 1968 btw

[Anonymous No.17891869]

>>17891761
If psychoanalysis is "spiritual" then you might as well call any snake oil belief "spiritual" as well.

[Anonymous No.17891877]

>>17891806
Why does eternity matter?

[Anonymous No.17891883]

>>17891869
How many angels can dance on the head of your dick?

[Anonymous No.17892699]

>>17891877
If we plan for the next 10 years, why not plan for the next infinity?

[Anonymous No.17892809]

>>17888109
he's not a socialist

[Anonymous No.17892827]

>>17883934
Christ never once discussed economic policy except when he said to render unto what is Caesar's, but that was in the context that material and worldly matters are trivial when it comes to the Kingdom of Heaven. OP was right when he said Jesus was an ascetic. He and the Apostles stated multiple times that you shouldn't worry about worldly matters. Jesus was apolitical at the very least.

[Anonymous No.17892831]

>>17883879
Right path - keep on being cynical. Bhadavadgita is based. If at some point in the future will become evident that you have to verify things yourself and not only be convinced by others don't be scared to do so.

[Anonymous No.17892842]

>>17884349
Based. Then read the Philokalia.

[Anonymous No.17892849]

>>17884037
Kinda agree, but God is love. Stop focusing on sin, it's misleading

[Anonymous No.17893066]

Hip Olsteen is a fraud, aren’t most of his fans niggers? Any preacher who just preaches feeling good and self love etc. is not the real deal and does not care about salvation.

[Anonymous No.17893646]

would it be retarded to start reading the bible with multiple versions at once to compare? and get a more broader view overall

[Anonymous No.17893758]

>>17893646
I would probably just start with a standard translation that is straightforward to read. Recommended: RSV-2CE or NABRE.
For most versions, the differences will not be drastic and additional translations will add more value once you have a feel for the content.

[Anonymous No.17893779]

>>17893646
>would it be retarded to start reading the brothers karamazov with multiple versions at once to compare? and get a more broader view overall
You aren't a linguistic scholar, just pick a translation and read it. If you have to ask which translation, RSV.

[Anonymous No.17893786]

>>17893758
>RSV-2CE or NABRE
Yup. Protestant Bibles are the abridged version.

[Anonymous No.17893925]

>>17883879
>Jesus himself was pretty cool though sans all that divine punishment talk.
You didn't understand the New Testament. Read the Old Testament for context.

[Anonymous No.17895274]

>>17892809
they both literally are

[Anonymous No.17895870]

>>17890236
If its done against your will its not charity but theft

[Jesus No.17896501]

>>17883879
you are degenerate surrounded by degenerates, in a degenerate country, on a degenerate planet. you will never stop being NPC

[Anonymous No.17896502]

>>17883879
This is the most 95 IQ post I've read today, and that's saying something.

[Jesus No.17896534]

>>17891877
because truth is power and cure.

[Jesus No.17896552]

>>17891869
anything that makes you happier, stronger, healthier, closer to your inner child, God, I is spiritual, faggot.

[Anonymous No.17896743]

>>17883884
I mean it has been pretty obvious since Feuerbach

>>17888101
>bread & fish

[Anonymous No.17896763]

>raised in non-religious household, never went to church or discussed God
>interested in spirituality, meditation, etc.
>feeling the emptiest I've ever felt lately

How do I believe in God, bros?

[Anonymous No.17896770]

>>17896763
Read Spinoza

[Anonymous No.17896779]

>>17891748
didn't hear about that, link me? That's fucked up

[Anonymous No.17896797]

>>17884136
They have a history of having poor understanding of religious figures, Mazdak being considered some sort of proto-communist is another tendril of this beast.

[Anonymous No.17896811]

>>17891845
Why was it so low in the interwar period?

[Anonymous No.17896816]

>>17891845
>30 year old life expectancy

what the fuck

[Anonymous No.17897493]

>>17883879
>Jesus Preaches Socialism & asceticism
You're an idiot, socialism and asceticism are mutually incompatible. How can you want free shit and deny the value of material possessions at the same time?

[Anonymous No.17897570]

>>17883894
>here is no way anyone who is a Roman Catholic or attends any of those megachurches like Joel 'Satan' Osteen's ha
This.

[Anonymous No.17897606]

>>17896763
You don’t, at least not the Abrahamic one. You pick one worthy of your dedication

[Anonymous No.17897626]

>>17897493
>How can you want free shit and deny the value of material possessions at the same time?
I dont understand how people like you are real jfc

[Anonymous No.17897637]

>>17896816
infant mortality

[Anonymous No.17897656]

>mfw Americans don't realize that Jesus is a proto-socialist

[Anonymous No.17897796]

From the Catholic catechism.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P8C.HTM
2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism." She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of "capitalism," individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor. Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market." Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.

[Anonymous No.17897929]

>>17897656
>For Man it is imposible but in God all things are possible
That includes a rich Man going to heaven

[Anonymous No.17898119]

>>17896763
Practise meditation, and get in touch with deeper/subtler levels of your own consciousness. In the monistic framework I follow, "God" is the ever-present space of consciousness rather than a deity from Hebrew mythology. A book series that might help convey this viewpoint is found here: lawofone.info

The emphasis here is not on "belief" but rather in observing the character of your own awareness, namely the fact that it appears to be indivisible, unchanging, etc. Phenomenology will serve as a helpful guide.

[Anonymous No.17898136]

>>17897796
>when communists kill people, it’s the most evil act ever
>when Moses and Yoshua kill people, it was justified and they probably deserved it

[Anonymous No.17898140]

>>17888448
How old are you? And stop browsing /pol/, it hurts you.

[Anonymous No.17898143]

>>17883879
dum dum

[Anonymous No.17898285]

>>17898136
Yes.

[Anonymous No.17898397]

>>17897626
>I don't understand how people like you are real
What, are you 12? One day you will grow up and realize that the only thing humanity deserves is a kick in the ass. That's all that a just God would give to a bunch of arrogant complainers.

But if you don't feel willing to complain or join in the useless pride and arrogance of mankind you are one of those dirty, anti-social, misanthropic Christians, or one of those nasty philosopher-types. All your name-calling doesn't change the facts though, you just don't like being called out for your bovine philosophy.

[Anonymous No.17898421]

>>17898136
Actually they all deserved it

[Anonymous No.17898529]

>>17886226
>Paul's idea
Acts was written by Luke. Not apostle Luke mind you but random doctor dude Luke. This "Luke" also wrote the book of Luke. The absolute state of christcucks that over a quarter of their holy text was written by some dude who wasn't even an apostle and they don't even know that. They hinge all their vague hope on the word of a third party who wasn't even in Jesus's inner circle.

[Anonymous No.17898533]

>>17883879
>Dude Jesus was so cool but, like, Christianity such shit.

This is the most basic bitch take ever.

[Anonymous No.17898633]

>>17883879
If you think Charity and basic human compassion is socialist

[Anonymous No.17898643]

Jesus is a pretty small part of the Bible I don’t know why people automatically discount the entire text in favor of the parts about Christ.

The text as a whole must be absorbed not this pick and choose shit

Also this >>17883894

[Anonymous No.17898664]

>>17896763
You drop labels and understand that named entities are merely some schizo's delusion canonized by right place right time. Whatever spirituality is, if anything, is nameless.

Personally I identify spirituality as a phenomenon that humans have built on top of the foundation of mirror neuron activation. It is a mechanism that evolved to facilitate group cohesion. The feeling of connection to being part of the whole is recognizing the influence mirror neurons have over your mental state. Because brains are imperfect we've got psychos that imprint on EVERYTHING. We've all seen the dude sexually aroused by the tree or the woman moaning in pleasure touching a rusty carnival ride. So mirror neuron activation broadens to be triggered by everything under the sun and monke brain literally develops idea "I am the universe" before writing was even invented.

If you want an even more practical answer you aren't missing spirituality. Your longing for spirituality is a longing for meaningful acceptance and participation in a group structure. This is the real reason why religion is so good for most people who practice. It fulfills this need. We're facing a legitimate crisis with young people not joining churches not because of dogmatic reasons but because of a death of group participation and group identity on a massive scale. Find an interest and work towards acceptance in that group. Something flesh and blood and not soundbytes and Twitter screencaps.

[Anonymous No.17898684]

>>17892827
>Christ never once discussed economic policy except
no, what about that parable of the fruit pickers or whatever were the dudes got salty that the day laborers hired later in the day still got the same wage even tho there were working like half a day

[Anonymous No.17898695]

>>17898643
>Jesus is a pretty small part of the Bible
true but if you throw at all the jesus parts why bother being a christian?

[Anonymous No.17898740]

>>17898664
Tl;dr nigga LMAOOO

Nibbas write essays to justify God when you can just go to church and believe lmaooo

[Anonymous No.17898750]

>>17898695
I just said you shouldn’t throw any parts out

[Anonymous No.17898763]

>>17897796
>the church literal advocates for a third position

Hello based???

[Anonymous No.17898906]

>>17898684
You said it yourself, it's a parable. It doesn't matter whether someone accepts Christ either in youth or on his deathbed as they will receive the same heavenly reward, and saying the Christians who worshiped Christ longer deserve a greater reward misses the point. The only thing that matters is whether they were saved or not. The same thing goes in the Prodigal Son.

[Anonymous No.17899457]

>>17883879
All you need to know on earth is to love God and love your neighbours anon. The true salvation is to sacrifice yourself for the love of others. Be grateful you have life and try to help others and you'll come round.
Peace bro.

[Anonymous No.17899490]

>>17883879
I used to complain that beliving in God and fearing hell ruined my life or made it way harder, but that's blasphemy, I regret saying it, you should stop saying it aswell

[Anonymous No.17900434]

>>17883879
I abhor how no one can have any basic empathy for his fellow man anymore without being called an advocate of convoluted and subversive industrial-revolution propaganda doctrines by mentally deficient shills like you. fuck off

[Anonymous No.17900552]

>>17883879
I'm thinking of killing myself but I'm afraid I'll go to hell for it. Do I have a chance if I repent as I do it?

[Anonymous No.17900968]

>>17896763
See >>17890178

[Anonymous No.17901534]

>>17890210
He says anything is possible with god in the same sentence.

[Anonymous No.17901544]

>>17885038
So is covetousness you commie fuck

[Anonymous No.17901559]

>>17898397
I agree.

>>17897626
Explain why he is wrong, if you won't, shut your muddy mouth

[Anonymous No.17901569]

go fuck yourself atheist bastard

[Anonymous No.17902063]

>>17883879
Jesus introduced Logos to the jews, not marxism you utter retard

[Anonymous No.17902122]

>>17897929
>>17901534
lmao this is legitimately the most pathetic and hilarious cope I've ever heard.

[Anonymous No.17902202]

>>17883879
>socialist
Wrong.

Expand your brain, zoomer. God is not a government. You are his creation, he is the Lord, and he has given you commands. He does not have kommisars, his kingdom is not of the world, and your participation is 100% voluntary. You should want salvation because you want to please God, not because you've read his word in such a way you think you owe something to someone here. If you have charity to give, even if its just a kind word or even silence when you overpower the urge to say a cruel word.

>sans all that divine punishment talk
You have literally just compared Jesus to hellbound commies. You rightfully deserve punishment, and if you were wise you would repent.

[Anonymous No.17902222]

To everyone in this thread who's argument basically comes down to 'government is separate from god's law'
...why?
Ultimately, if Christianity is true, wouldn't you want to make all aspects of your life emulate the instructions we have from Christ?

[Anonymous No.17902235]

>>17902222
>if Christianity is true
pic related

>wouldn't you want to make all aspects of your life emulate the instructions we have from Christ?
Yes. Read Thomas a Kempis. If we perfectly desire to obey Jesus Christ, that is a voluntary servitude. Not a democracy, not a tyranny. It cannot be compared to earthly government.

[Anonymous No.17902241]

>>17902235
Sounds like a cope.
>in my personal life I'll give food to the poor
>i-is my government giving food to the poor? i'm going INSAAAAAANEE

[Anonymous No.17902243]

>>17902241
not my problem if you're not intelligent enough to grasp something this simple. before smartphone-driven mental retardation, people were amazed when Jesus spoke.

[Anonymous No.17902540]

>>17902222
Digits confirm

[Anonymous No.17902587]

>>17883879
It's never too late anon. God loves you, and believe it or not, the evils of the world are not his fault. You're blaming an innocent.

>socialist ideologies
I used to think like you before I actually understood what "forgiveness" and "turning the other cheek" means. It's nowhere near as simple as it sounds.

[Anonymous No.17902601]

>>17902222
If everyone followed God's Law, then everyone would live as hermits separated from each other, and there would be no need for nations, countries, kingdoms, and least of all, governments.

[Anonymous No.17902969]

>>17884308
Every country throughout history is socialist by that definition

[Anonymous No.17903422]

I hate it so much when people use socialism in a preindustrial context. At least call it anarchism or something.

[Anonymous No.17903452]

>>17884090
Do you have any idea how asinine it is to try to claim that a Jewish preacher from 2000 years ago believes in a 19th century left-wing ideology? One thing has nothing to do with the other. Politics is inherently rooted in materialism, and Jesus was essentially the opposite of a materialist. Most of what he said was metaphysical shit like God or the afterlife, it had nothing to do with class struggle or rich vs poor or any of that. Sure, he said it was very difficult for a rich man to enter heaven, because material possessions can distract you from God, but he never said it was impossible. There’s also rich characters in the Bible, like King David and Job, who both obviously went to heaven. It’s always annoying when midwits like you try to politicize Jesus by claiming, “But he said help the poor, so obviously he’d agree with my specific modern-day beliefs.” News flash: literally everyone across the political spectrum, from communists to ancaps to even fascists, claim that their ideology helps the poor. Everything Jesus said was apolitical and can be universally applied to humans everywhere, regardless of, say, what you think the tax rate should be.

[Anonymous No.17903459]

this thread is absurdly retarded and you should all feel intellectually ashamed for engaging in it, if it isn't downright bait

[Anonymous No.17903486]

>>17903452
fucking /thread

[Anonymous No.17903563]

>>17903452
>do you have any idea how asinine it is to try to claim that a promulgator of Semitist lies promulgates Semitist lies???
lol

[Anonymous No.17903670]

>>17903452
yeah, this

[Anonymous No.17903738]

>he isn't a materialist
>he thinks there's a "kingdom of god"
>he thinks that it's impossible to apply Christian morality to the real world aka the only world that exists because "muh jesus wasn't talking about earth he was talking about muh kingdom of god"

[Anonymous No.17903833]

>>17903452
extremely correct

[Anonymous No.17904840]

>all these people misinterpreting Scripture
you hate to see it

[Anonymous No.17904979]

>>17884037
Lol.
Just admit you're a greedy fuck and dont care about the bible. This transparent bullshit is actually embarrassing

[Anonymous No.17905028]

>>17883879
Your pretense of melancholy and apathy is actuality moral degeneracy. Reexamine yourself sincerely.

[Anonymous No.17905088]

>>17905028
muh degeneracy

[Anonymous No.17905121]

>>17903452
I agree with this minus the defense of richfags. Read the new testament and it's really fucking clear that if you're rich, you're doing something wrong. Also, David is burning in hell.

[Anonymous No.17905185]

>>17905088
yours, yes

[Anonymous No.17905194]

>>17903452
Good post. I shall bestow upon you my finest jpg

[Anonymous No.17905246]

>>17905121
>Also, David is burning in hell.
How? David had God’s blessing and there are many psalms ascribed to him from the Old Testament as a wise king. There’s even parallels between him and Jesus.

Also, no, I’m not necessarily defending rich people. I’m just pointing out the facts. If you harbour hatred or resentment for anyone regardless of their material possessions, you’re the one who’s doing something wrong.

[Anonymous No.17905326]

>>17905246
Agree with your second paragraph tbqh, just stating strongly cuz it's a thread and good to shitpost.
As for David, he is a son of perdition because he had the highest witness from God and still tossed it aside to bang Bathsheba and kill what's his name. Murder, adultery, and blasphemy against the spirit which will not be forgiven.

[Anonymous No.17906419]

>>17905326
The concept of eternal perdition wasn't a thing in the Old Testament.

[Anonymous No.17906623]

>>17898643
It really is a lot to absorb. Hardest book I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.17906647]

>>17889966
>posts a picture of a religious temple dedicated to Semetic Paganism, arguably the foundation of Cristianity on Epstein's private island to prove that religion isn't a front for child prostitution. Epstein isn't even an exception because, as with all pedophiles who service the elites he was eliminated as soon as his usefulness expired.

Whereas most Cardinals in the catholic church are pedophiles, meaning that procurement of child sex slaves for others does not disqualify one from holding office, even if it is well known that you are a pedophile it is not held against you.

[Anonymous No.17906719]

>>17906419
Yes but the new testament supercedes the old and with our new knowledge we can infer David is burning for eternity. Sad! Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.17906934]

>>17902241
>God saying be kind to and care for one another means the government should tax 70% of my earnings and spend it on do nothing programs and needles for druggies.
lmao

[Anonymous No.17908015]

>>17902601
Sounds pretty fucking based to me

[Anonymous No.17908042]

>>17883934
reminder private property is biblical

[Anonymous No.17908153]

>>17883879
read the bible because I'm doomer as fuck and need salvation

[Anonymous No.17908205]

both marxism and Christianity are slave revolts against aristocratic values

[Anonymous No.17908269]

>>17906934
But this sort of attitude is exactly what I'm talking about. Somebody who has absorbed Christianity isn't going to talk like 'lmao you actually want to help druggies' when Christ was out helping the outcasts and dregs of society. You can talk about the difference in free will or intent regarding personal action vs. government, but it's rare to find people who are vehemently against welfare or drug-addiction programs who are also christlike in their charity and mindset.

[Anonymous No.17908639]

>>17890210
>Actual fucking brainlet, is this what they teach in american churches?
No church anywhere requires you to be poor

[Anonymous No.17908644]

>>17883879
get a job neet

[Anonymous No.17908910]

>>17883879
It's so sad to me when I see desperate people who are ready to put some spirituality of something "out-of-the-box" ideas into their lives... and they squander that energy by reading the fucking bible... Anyways. off to a more interesting reality, ciao

[Anonymous No.17910360]

>>17908910
what you recommend then?

[Anonymous No.17911007]

>>17883879

you can't understand the bible if you are not saved because the scripture is discerned with the help of the Holy Spirit.

make sure to read the KJV as it is the preserved Word of God in English. Virtually all modern versions are corrupt to varying degrees.

If you are not 100% sure of going to heaven, read this gospel tract.

[Anonymous No.17911052]

>>17908015
That was also Frithjof Schuon's take in Light on the Ancient Worlds.

[Anonymous No.17911114]

>>17884009
Meek might not mean weak in this instance.

Meek might be the Greek ‘learned’.

Do it might mean only the knowledgeable get into heaven.