/sffg/ - Science fiction and Fantasy general

[Anonymous No.17860924]

Treasure Hunting Edition
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[Anonymous No.17860938]

Malazan is like reading some D&D gamemaster's campaign notes from the last 20 years.

>Okay, let me tell you what player character #34 did and how cool his magical sword is. His backstory is tragic as fuck, here let me get you a picture I found on DeviantArt that looks like how I envision him...

No thanks.

[Anonymous No.17860946]

>L. Ron Hubbard
Where should I start with his work?
I hear Battlefield Earth is pretty great.

[Anonymous No.17861041]

Reposting from the previous thread
>>17860602
>>17860693

>Any English translations of Digital Devil Story? Or any works similar to this one?

Here you go, anon.
http://ddstranslation.blogspot.com/2006/08/introduction_16.html

[Anonymous No.17861072]

Question for the anons here:
>what makes a sf or fantasy book most enjoyable to you?
>Does the quality of an author's prose matter a lot to you?
>Do you prefer character-driven books or plot-driven books?
> Do you like longer books or shorter books? Doorstoppers or short-stories?
>Do you read to be entertained, for secondary purposes (like lore and worldbuilding for /tg/ purposes), or to just for a great story?
>Do you often re-read books (revist old favorites maybe) or not?

[Anonymous No.17861096]

>>17860924
behead vtubers and their simpathizers

[Anonymous No.17861162]

>>17860938
ironic considering that's literally what it is, bakker is also dnd campaign but he was dm and is a better writer

[Anonymous No.17861169]

>>17861072
idk
yes but mostly that it isn't litrpg or ya level crap
plot
no real preference
1st
yes

[Anonymous No.17861215]

>>17861072
>What makes a sf or fantasy book most enjoyable to you?
Coherence, depth of consideration, mood and themes I personally like, atmosphere. Most importantly, the charisma of the author. If I don't feel a connection, I lose interest pretty fast.
>Does the quality of an author's prose matter a lot to you?
I like good prose, but I've read so much shit I can cut through it pretty easily. As long as it's above machine translated quality, I won't even notice most of the time.
>Do you prefer character-driven books or plot-driven books?
Character driven, though I really like themes and worldbuilding in plot. Ideally the chararacters and plot should be a unified whole.
>Do you like longer books or shorter books? Doorstoppers or short-stories?
As long as it doesn't turn to shit, the more the better. That doesn't mean I love filler and slow pacing, just MORE.
>Do you read to be entertained, for secondary purposes (like lore and worldbuilding for /tg/ purposes), or to just for a great story?
I read for inspiration/wisdom, essentially stories that change the way I think or give me idea I hadn't thought of before. It's nice to get outside viewpoints, otherwise I get stagnated with just my own thoughts. Also for vibe, a lot like music, a story that evokes a particular emotion or mood can be very enthralling.
>Do you often re-read books (revist old favorites maybe) or not?
I never re-read anything, though I do think about stories I liked a lot.

[Anonymous No.17861223]

[Anonymous No.17861243]

>>17861162
I finally understand why I hated reading bakker

[Anonymous No.17861244]

Where do I go from here?

[Anonymous No.17861259]

>>17861244
depression there is nothing as good as that series, and the way modern fantasy is going there never will be.

[Anonymous No.17861267]

>>17860924
OP is the tranny faggot from discord

[Anonymous No.17861281]

>>17861259
>the way modern fantasy is going there never will be.

Damn, what's happening to modern fantasy right now? The most recent fantasy book I read was from about the 2000s at most.

[Anonymous No.17861356]

>reposting from last thread
Hello, does anybody have suggestions for feel-good and wholesome fantasy/SF literature that doesn't have any post-modernist appeals to subversion or deconstruction or general pointless grimdark edginess?
Examples of stories I liked:
>Tolkien's Lord of the Rings
>Dune by Frank Herbert
>Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zahn (both the new one and the old one)
>David Eddings' Belgariad and Malloreon
>Chronicles of Narnia by CS Lewis
>Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander
>Edgar Rice Burroughs' Barsoom series
>Madeleine L'engle's Time Quartet
>L. Frank Baum's Oz series

I recently purchased Eddings' Tamuli and Elenium based on suggestions from an anon on /lit/ a couple weeks ago, and those just came in the mail yesterday.

[Anonymous No.17861475]

>>17861243
I think he was the type of dm who liked to torture his players

[Anonymous No.17861482]

>>17861356
sanderson, name of the wind is pretty comfy as well

[Anonymous No.17861529]

>>17861482
Brandon Sanderson? Is that the guy who finished up Wheel of Time?
On that subject, would Wheel of Time fit my parameters? There's a shitload of books there and it seems like a rather expensive investment to actually acquire all of them.

[Anonymous No.17861552]

>>17861281
Nothing, good authors are far and inbetween. There's arguably more good fantasy written in the last maybe 25 years than the 50 years before that.

>>17861529
No, it's awful. It has insufferable characters, the author has a weird BDSM fetish he forces into the books, and there's literally 5-6 books where NOTHING happens.

[Anonymous No.17861559]

>>17861529
was going to tell you he's an s&m femdom fetishist and its all over the books and that the majority of the 14 books is filler, but
>>17861552
got there first.
avoid WoT like the plague, reading it was the worst decision i've made about reading in my life and the only thing i genuinely wish i could undo.

[Anonymous No.17861565]

>>17861529
Your local library system likely has all the books due to how prominent it was in the 90s, I'd say just treat it like Dune in that you can stop reading when you get bored/tired/fed up with it.

[Anonymous No.17861581]

>>17861552
>Nothing, good authors are far and inbetween. There's arguably more good fantasy written in the last maybe 25 years than the 50 years before that.
You are delusional.

[Anonymous No.17861586]

>>17861565
I don't think so. I dropped Dune during the second or third book when I got bored, and I didn't feel like I missed out on anything. The first book pretty much stands on its own. WoT has an overarching story that I was interested in enough to skim through the later books to find out what happens, but not so good that I didn't wish I hadn't started reading that trash in the first place. Of course you can start reading the first book and drop it when you don't like it, but you can say that about every series.

>>17861581
Post all those amazing fantasy series written in the 50-80s then.

[Anonymous No.17861588]

>>17861552
>>17861559
>BDSM
>femdom
Elaborate in as excruciatingly specific detail as possible please

[Anonymous No.17861599]

fuck!
E william Brown

[Anonymous No.17861606]

>>17861588
read sword of truth

[Anonymous No.17861608]

>>17861281
Remember when after LOTR every single author decided to copy Tolkien in some way? Well it was still better and more original than what we have coming out somehow.
The only spark of originality that still exists is in self publishing but that is a cesspit of bad so huge that you will struggle to find what is good.
Not that publishing houses are much better, editorial standards are abysmal and seem to keep getting worse and worse because self publishing is getting more popular.
It seems the book houses decide that since people like "crap"(aka self published books that are rough round the edges but it's more interesting than the copy paste stuff they used to publish), they shouldn't have to bother anymore.

[Anonymous No.17861611]

>>17861586
>50-80s
You are already back paddling 50 is not equal 30 anon.

[Anonymous No.17861614]

>>17861588
With one exception, every single female character in the books is the most insufferable obnoxious dumb bitch you have ever met. Always beating men, calling them stupid, worthless, being arrogant, whiny, cunty at all times. The men are written as actually decent and likeable fantasy guys who try hard and overcome. Reading the women interact with those men in that way becomes actually offensive to most readers pretty early on, AND IT NEVER CHANGES. They keep being absolutely insufferable assholes all the way through and the book treats that as normal and acceptable, like, that's just how women are lol :^)
The women whip and beat each other and conduct strange BDSM rituals as punishment on each other, and generally treat each other in some weird catty competitive dom/sub way that is generally gross and bizarre.

I know it sounds absurd when it describe it like this, surely nobody would write 15 books worth of such characters and character interactions, but it's unfortunately true. I started to skip chapters written from the perspective of one of the women at one point during the series because I just was so fed up with her shit. And missed fuckall because the books are so bloated with pointless bullshit that goes nowhere and matters to nobody, and goes on for books on end in the second half of the series.

[Anonymous No.17861616]

>>17861588
I'm 3 books in and the only thing I remember are the slave collars to control the Aes Sedai so far. Aside from just generic "kidnapped and bound" situations.

[Anonymous No.17861620]

>>17861588
I'm on book 4 right now and it's good. Ratter than women power shit it seems he gets off on women taking control of relationships, which is fine by me.
The only issue is women shit talk men as a whole a lot and some character are a bit insufferable. But even that could be part of his fetish now that i look at it.

[Anonymous No.17861627]

>>17861611
I see no fantasy book examples.

>>17861616
The BDSM shit isn't that common, but when you come across of a scene where a dominant woman whips or beats with a stick on another woman to punish her, or sows her up in a sack with itchy powder and hangs her over a fire to sweat with her arms bound so she can't scratch that really sticks with you because it's so uncomfortable and gross.

[Anonymous No.17861652]

>>17861627
sews

[Anonymous No.17861654]

>>17861627
>I see no fantasy book examples.
>last 25 years have been better than the last 50
> but but don't talk about the period of 96-46, I want books form the 50-80
Look I get you might have made a arithmetical mistake. But I do think you are trying to include the 90s in the "new books" category for a reason.
I didn't say books have been decreasing in quality since forever, I said RECENT fantasy has been shit and going on a shitty path. I would say the clear decline started around 2010-2015 which is more or less a decade ago.

[Anonymous No.17861655]

>>17861627
Based on that it would seem the line between "torture" and "BDSM" is almost non-existent.

[Anonymous No.17861663]

>>17861654
My point is that the burst in good fantasy during that time was an extreme aberration and that the current release rate is still better than what came before then.

[Anonymous No.17861671]

>>17861655
I think the BDSM stuff is just him trying to hate on the series by associating with something he deems vile.
The sires is fine, even great if you don't mind very slow pacing and repetition, but trying to make it seem like some sort of weird fetishistic thing is just wrong.

[Anonymous No.17861674]

>>17861356
Lord Dunsany's your guy. Start with Fortress Unvanquishable.

[Anonymous No.17861678]

>>17861655
That torture is always framed in power dynamics that are lifted straight out of the fetish scene. It's not portrayed as something awful, but as something natural. Like imagine if the police arrested you and the police woman dressed up in latex clothes and whipped you bloody with a riding crop as your punishment and everyone nodded their head like "this is how the world works", except you and me know that it isn't how the world works, but a is a weird sex thing.

[Anonymous No.17861696]

reminder

[Anonymous No.17861706]

What you guys think about the witcher? I think the books are pretty decent and comfy.

[Anonymous No.17861713]

>>17861671
The BDSM is just the cherry on top, the characters and pacing are far, far worse and absolutely destroy the series. If the BDSM was the only bad thing about it, I wouldn't hate WoT.
I like Second Apocalypse even though I don't like the way Bakker writes women, which is far more detrimental than the BDSM bullshit.

[Anonymous No.17861734]

>>17861678
From what I've read, there hasn't been any sort of sexual aspect from any of the scenes so far unless the mere act of a woman giving pain onto another is inherently sexual. The only even mildly fetishistic thing present in the story were the slave collars which made them wholly obedient, and even in that case you would have to go out of your way to see it as BDSM. There has been no mention of actual sex or sexual pleasure from any character and the only even hint of any characters having libido at all is the constant talk from the girls perspective of how hot all the guys they know are.

[Anonymous No.17861740]

>>17861663
You might think so but I do believe a lot of good books were released into the 200o even if they were less and worse than the clear golden age of the 90s for fantasy.
That is not to discount the 80 or any of the previous decades. Heck one of my favorite, and I do believe best book series of all time, the lyonesses, was written in the 80s as well as countless others. But that is besides the point.
Even if you consider the 90s as a high point in fantasy releases the following decade was also quite rich with new stories and ideas, but recently, and I do mean recently, there has been little anything noteworthy. And there has been a loooot of bad that is praised.

[Anonymous No.17861765]

>>17861356
read sanderson come back and say what you think of him.

[Anonymous No.17861767]

>>17861740
With golden age I meant the 90s and 2000s, then things slowed down in the 2010s. Before that time there really wasn't all that much that stood the test of time that I know of. There's Tolkien and maybe 2-3 books that I can't remember right now and that may or may not be actually good (I know this is a massive hot take around here, but I think Earthsea is mediocre at best and would be utterly ignored if it was released today).

[Anonymous No.17861772]

>>17861614
>>17861616
>>17861620
>>17861627
That sucks and is not at all the kind of fantasy BDSM I was hoping for. Thanks for the explanations though. I nearly had it up to here with Polgara bullying Garion in the Belgariad, so if the women of WoT are culturally cuntier than the magical supreme arch-bitch of the universe as a matter of course, I probably don't think I'd like it. Not that I'm opposed to women taking charge, but I don't like bullying.

[Anonymous No.17861791]

>>17861765
Which Sanderson book, there's 50 novels in his bibliography

[Anonymous No.17861792]

>>17861772
>Not that I'm opposed to women taking charge, but I don't like bullying.
This absolutely isn't anywhere near normal human relationships, or i guess it is for some people, the kind where the woman constantly nags her husband and drives him into an early grave, but that's not something you constantly want to see your sympathetic male hero suffer. It's not banter either, it's just abuse and being a bitch with extremely fragile ego.

[Anonymous No.17861803]

>>17861792
Yeah I understand what you mean. I'm all for equality and shit, but I don't want to listen to women berate men for the crime of having a penis for 7000 pages. If that's what Wheel of Time is about, then I'm glad you warned me away from it.

[Anonymous No.17861819]

>>17861791
You could go for the mistborn series, I much prefers sit to the storm light archive and pretty much anything else he wrote.
Keep in mind he might not be your thing so give the first book a try and if you like it keep reading.

[Anonymous No.17861822]

>>17861819
>mistborn
okay I will look into that

[Anonymous No.17861841]

>>17861803
>I'm all for equality and shit, but I don't want to listen to women berate men for the crime of having a penis for 7000 pages
It's not quite that bad, it still better than what modern authors do to male characters and how women treat them.
But it does sour your perception of the female in the book.
I still think it's worth a read, as the first one , long as it is and as weak as it is in comparison to the other books, could be read as a stand alone.
If the dialogue of that one turns you of them just drop the series as it doesn't get much better.
Another anon btw

[Anonymous No.17861855]

>>17860924
What does/sffg/ think of Spectrum Magazine?

[Anonymous No.17862014]

>>17861772
If you want REAL fantasy BDSM read the sword of truth series. Literally 100% of the power systems in the entire setting are BDSM.
>antimagic dominatrixes with pain batons
>brainwashing femdom magic
>demon rape slave collar witch covens
The MC actually spends like half an entire book in a rape dungeon being whipped by dominatrixes in leather bondage gear.

[Anonymous No.17862037]

>>17862014
>sword of truth
Don't recommend that again please. No matter what circumstances you find yourself in.

[Anonymous No.17862049]

>>17862037
You can't tell me what to do. I can and I WILL recommend Terry Goodkind and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.17862064]

>>17861855
I like them. Too expensive though. Used to look through them when Borders existed

[Anonymous No.17862080]

>>17861767
>I think Earthsea is mediocre at best and would be utterly ignored if it was released today
Based and true
The first book sacrificed all whimsy and most of the potential adventure for the sake of the driving conflict which was boring
It doesn't feel like a kid's book, it feels like a regular book that thinks it needs to talk to its readers like they're kids

>>17861772
Artist can't draw feet for shit

[Anonymous No.17862163]

>>17861803
WoT isn't anything like that, and whoever has been leading you on is severely mischaracterizing how the battle of the sexes works in WoT and it sounds like he's projecting his own insecurities onto it. It's more of a "men are from mars, women are from venus" set up. Women and men fundamentally don't think alike, and this leads to lots of miscommunication and other issues between men and women in the series. He's making it sound like the books are a non stop bitchfest with women constantly attacking men and that's not what the books are like at all. Yes there's parts where women complain about men, or disparage them, but these same women often walk into disaster due to their own condescending and arrogant attitudes.

A lot of the major mistakes and disasters in WoT are caused by feuds between men and women, due to one sex refusing to help the other, and the other goes and fucks everything up. Men tried to defeat the Dark One without the help of women and got the male half of the One Power tainted. Women tried to govern the world without men and allowed it to fall into chaos and corruption, descending into petty infighting and nearly culling the ability to Channel the One Power from the human race with their idiocy.

Men complain about women, and women complain about men. There's more than a few scenes where women are humiliated and forced to submit to men. There's also scenes where men are humiliated by women. It's not one sided unless you have a chip on your shoulder and find any kind of female-on-male abuse to be intolerable.

[Anonymous No.17862330]

>>17861772
polgara in the belgariad is not even a tenth of how insufferable WoT is. it approaches sword of shannara levels of bullshittery, avoid at all costs.

[Anonymous No.17862355]

>>17862049
The problem with humanity is that this is true.

Please, anons, whatever you do, do not read sword of truth. If anyone recommends it to you, expunge them from your lives with extreme prejudice, as it is wholly deserved.

[Anonymous No.17862387]

>>17862163
Look I like the WoT and all but there is severe bashings of men trough out the books. While who is in the right isn't not one sided it clearly skews heavily in favor of women.
The same thing you mentioned aren't equal at all, men broke the fucking world while women AT WORST, were heavy handed in their handling of how men who could channel were treated, and even that is hand waved away because "the madness comes for them and they have no choice".
The mismanagement is not portrayed as being 100 the women/assedai fault as there are males kings as well as rulers as well who constantly fuck up.

Leaving that aside this si more of an issue of how the main cast and/or the side cast interact with one another. The women constantly fling abuse towards the men. and they just take, as if that is how they are supposed to act because they are men.
Nyvianne is the worst offender but all females characters act that way in some form.

[Anonymous No.17862398]

Why was the Harry Potter series so comfy? The prose was nothing special, and yet the world and it's characters are so fascinating and immersive. 15 years later, and Fantasy authors are still trying to emulate it

[Anonymous No.17862431]

>>17862330
>it approaches sword of shannara levels of bullshittery, avoid at all costs.
What exactly is bad about Shannara? Something illustrated by the brothers Hildebrandt can't be all bad, can it?

[Anonymous No.17862446]

>>17862398
The first three books were lightning in a bottle but the fourth one shit the bed and I couldn't even begin to care about those dogshit stories afterwards except as Dirty Potter remixes

[Anonymous No.17862519]

>>17862398
My appreciation for Rowling's writing (at least the first few books, which are the only ones I bothered rereading) has fucking skyrocketed since I actually started writing a children's book. I used to hate on those books but I have come all the way back around. You say that the prose is nothing special but I now even think that that's wrong. After I finish my draft (next week, I'm hoping) but before I start editing, I kind of want to write an essay about some of the ways the book made itself fun - which is the most important thing a children's book can do - while also being publishable *and* while dealing with themes of death. I'm not going to go into full detail about it here because nobody gives a shit but, as a first-time novelist, Rowling absolutely mogs the shit out of me. I think the key scene that opens things up and makes it so impressive is the Diagon Alley scene. It's pretty short but there is so much to appreciate there in terms of all the fundamental aspects of children's storytelling coming together.

[Anonymous No.17862721]

What are some good short reads? Up to about 60K words.

[Anonymous No.17862870]

>>17862721
The Dragon Masters

[Anonymous No.17862937]

>>17862398
"No!"

[Anonymous No.17862957]

>>17862398
"Yes!"

[Anonymous No.17863019]

>>17862080
Any Fantasy books that capitalize on their potential for a whimsy adventure?

[Anonymous No.17863033]

>>17862398
I don't think it's right to dismiss her prose in this situation. She's not Nabokov or Joyce, but if you compare her to any of the magic school hangers on that followed in her wake, I think she's obviously above average, and in a way that is specifically comfy. I would probably put her average prose level parallel with the average output from CS Lewis. His best work is distinctly better than hers, but the way they write a median scene has very distinct similarities, probably some sort of intangible "british children's books" aesthetic that shines through. I might actually add Chesterton's Father Brown stories to that list, too, even though they weren't for kids.

[Anonymous No.17863042]

Given that I discovered this book through the rec charts, I'm now surprised that I've never seen anyone talk about it. Johannes Cabal is very fun.

[Anonymous No.17863051]

>>17863042
>Johannes Cabal the Necromancer is a 2009 supernatural fiction and black comedy novel written by Jonathan L. Howard.
Quintessentially Reddit.

[Anonymous No.17863057]

>>17863042
It's great. One of my favorite audiobook surprises.

[Anonymous No.17863058]

>>17863051
Which part? That it's fantasy?

[Anonymous No.17863063]

>>17863057
I'm also listening through the audiobook at work, and the narrator is amazing. Probably the best voicework I've heard since I started this job a year ago

[Anonymous No.17863072]

>>17863058
>Which part?
Everything, from the quirky and zany black comedy description to the artwork accompanying your post, which is clearly of Redditian influence.

[Anonymous No.17863080]

>>17863072
I didn't realize humor and skeletons were no longer allowed on 4chan, my bad

[Anonymous No.17863086]

>>17863072
Too spooky for you, anon?

[Anonymous No.17863091]

>>17863080
Not after they were clearly coopted by snappy "humorous" redditors

[Anonymous No.17863096]

>>17863091
You know what else reddit has co-opted? Literally everything.

[Anonymous No.17863113]

>>17863096
There's still a difference between the original and what has been regurgitated and vomited by reddit luminaries, like Johannes Cabal

[Anonymous No.17863114]

>>17861096
This, fuck vtuber faggots

[Anonymous No.17863118]

Where did all the Bakkerspammers go? A month ago these threads were nothing but black seed and golden horns

[Anonymous No.17863122]

>>17863118
Hopefully they all died, the relative lack of bakkerposting is the only reason I've started coming back

[Anonymous No.17863126]

>>17863113
Would you like to actually explain what your problem is with the series, or are you satisfied just to continue handing good books to reddit and never asking for them back?

[Anonymous No.17863129]

>>17863118
>>17863122
filtration system's back on it seems, I can hear them again fellow Bakkings

[Anonymous No.17863138]

>>17863118
I think Bakker himself posting here was the highlight. The apex. After that, the Ordeal disintegrated. Men cannot live on Meat alone.

[Anonymous No.17863163]

>>17863118
They are all on /v/. They always crawl out when the whole what book would make a good video game one is made.

[Anonymous No.17863298]

>>17863118
Have you never experienced flavor of the month before?

[Anonymous No.17863320]

/sffg/, what are some good jewish fantasy novels? I've read and loved the golem and the jinni and unsong but I couldn't get into the yiddish policeman's union, the shard or spinning silver, and I didn't get far enough into senlin to know if it's jewish

[Anonymous No.17863380]

Anyone reccomend something like sundiver?

[Anonymous No.17863389]

>>17863118
The anime pic on the OP drove them away.

[Anonymous No.17863394]

>>17863320
Bartimaeus isn't Jewish in theme at all, but it's all British occultism which means it's basically lifted wholesale from Kabbala

[Anonymous No.17863395]

>>17863389
Based anime OP purging these threads of Bakkuks with his unrelenting cuteness

[Anonymous No.17863565]

>>17863389
>>17863395
Stop jerking yourself off in front of us holobrony.

[Anonymous No.17863786]

>>17863118
It was just one guy posting :Bakker himself. I honestly thought his books were good because of how much he was posted on /lit/ so I bought all his books. I couldn't get through the prologue before donating them to the local library. I live in an area with a lot of blacks, so I doubt anyone reads any books.

[Anonymous No.17863796]

>>17863786
>anon gets filtered by bakker prologue
>donates the entire series to hood library
>...
>yoooooo dis nigga kellhus a fuckin G mah nigga. that metagnosis? sheeit...

[Anonymous No.17863811]

>>17862064
My nigga, I did too.

[Anonymous No.17863847]

>>17863786
I work at the library, I threw them into the trash as soon as I saw the writer's name on the cover. We don't have any homosexual cuckoldry section.

[Anonymous No.17863871]

Is there a term or genre for adventure stories that are constructed such that the hero has to travel/quest/challenge/defeat objectives in a very structured journey through various biomes/enemies that individuated by you know elemental climates or classifiable enemy type/power archetypes.
You know the kind of thing that's prevalent in kid's entertainment or mega man games or anime. Like go to the magma caverns and kill the dragon to get the enchanted stone then go to the crystal labyrinth and use the stone to indirectly defeat the conjurer etc etc.
I'm sure this stuff is common in sword and sorcery stuff but I haven't explored the genre much since childhood let alone in the medium of novels and aimed at adults. Been reading a lot of challenging non-fiction stuff and could use some fun escapism. I'm actually reading Hyperion rn and digging the anthology structure, liking it very much.
Any recs?

[Anonymous No.17863880]

>>17863871
Heroic fantasy? Basically Princess of Mars, Conan movies, He-Man, etc.

[Anonymous No.17863893]

>>17863880
Conan books work too, but they are less like a fable.

[Anonymous No.17863904]

>>17863871
or read about the conquest of America. Cortes's adventures alone are basically top tier heroic literature and it actually happened

[Anonymous No.17863908]

>>17863871
It's called Greek Mythology

[Anonymous No.17863916]

>>17863880
yeah basically, Conan should be pretty close, I'll try out one of the what appears to be many many novels if nobody else has a better rec.

[Anonymous No.17863925]

>>17863916
I'll echo Burroughs's Princess of Mars recommendation. Don't let the Mars part confuse you, it's abou at brave heroes against savage barbarians and cunning wizards for the hand of the princess.

[Anonymous No.17863943]

>>17861767
>(I know this is a massive hot take around here, but I think Earthsea is mediocre at best and would be utterly ignored if it was released today).
Almost anyone outside of fantasy threads like these would say even Tolkien is bad

[Anonymous No.17863992]

>>17863871
my autism is especially tickled when the hero has to defeat a specified number of foes according to legend. Slay the 4 cardinal kings or whatever.

[Anonymous No.17864001]

Is there any fantasy operator kino?

[Anonymous No.17864301]

>>17864001
You mean like a bunch of spec ops guys getting isekai'd to Middle Earth?

[Anonymous No.17864379]

>>17864001
>kino
Shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.17864640]

>>17863847
cringe post

[Anonymous No.17864647]

>>17863118
There has been bakker discussion literally every thread for months now. It might have lessened due to the increased "don't talk about books" sentiment thats plagued this entire board this past year.

[Anonymous No.17864997]

>>17863138
If people actually had interesting questions, its possible the posting may continue.

[Anonymous No.17865457]

>>17860938
Sounds breddy gud to me.

Yes thanks.

[Anonymous No.17865470]

>She thought of King Shikol in The Tractate, the demented Xerashi King who’d commanded the Latter Prophet’s execution. She thought of his gilded thighbone, the instrument of judgement, which to this day remained the most potent symbol of evil in Inrithidom. Was this what Inri Sejenus had said to his nameless lover? That loss could somehow secure glory?

[Anonymous No.17865476]

>>17863796
kek

[Anonymous No.17865509]

>be here two months ago
>everyone discussing Bakker
>finish first and half of second book
>you guys are still at it

I love this thread and Bakkerbros. Second book is kinda hard to go through, that middle part is uneventful.
Still, Kvothe stuff and Bakkerbro are the best of fantasy for me so far

[Anonymous No.17865529]

>>17865509
2nd book is the best imo, wait till you get to the last 10% of the book, straight up banger after banger, rather sanderson esque if I say so.

[Anonymous No.17865535]

>>17865529
Cant say I ever read Sanderson. What by him is good?
I remember giving something a try years ago, and it put me off. Was it writing, setting, I don't remember

[Anonymous No.17865539]

>>17865529
It’s great as soon as Akka gets taken by the scarlet spires

[Anonymous No.17865551]

>>17865535
I don't think he's that good but his books are very well plotted so all the plot threads collide and there's always a great climax towards the end of the book.

[Anonymous No.17865581]

>>17865509
>bakkerfags are rothfusscucks
not surprised

[Anonymous No.17865582]

I want to write my own fantasy novel and I want it to be good. What from life can I bring into it? What sort of knowledge, experiences, insights, and will it matter?

[Anonymous No.17865614]

>>17865582
go to church/mosque/temple

[Anonymous No.17865619]

>>17865582
>I want to write my own fantasy novel and I want it to be good. What from life can I bring into it? What sort of knowledge, experiences, insights, and will it matter?
>Good Prose
>Good Characters
>Interesting World/Setting
>Deeper-than-surface-level themes and meaning
have all of these things in equal amounts

[Anonymous No.17865647]

>>17865535
Sanderson's writing reads with all the importance of a high schooler telling you about a dream he had that he thought was meaningful.

>>17865582
I don't know. Who are you? There's probably something very fundamental you think went wrong in your life whether it be familial, societal, or personal. You could try to say something about that by having your protagonist in a similar scenario. Or you might have an idea about human nature that you've developed for yourself and could test by putting it in a story. Cormac McCarthy is of the opinion that you're not doing real writing if you're not writing about matters of life and death. It's up to you whether or not you agree with him but generally those sorts of grandiose themes help elevate a story. Good luck amigo

[Anonymous No.17865692]

>>17865582
Most important thing is to get a Mac

[Anonymous No.17865789]

>>17865692
Based

[Anonymous No.17865863]

I'm a hunnit pages into this, why the fuck does it say it's "riotously funny" on the cover, "like hitch hiker's guide?" Even if we ignore the fact that Hitchhiker's Guide isn't funny, this isn't even going for jokes. It's light-hearted, sure, but why the FUCK do book niggas gotta always lie about the laffs?

[Anonymous No.17865937]

Any love for The Black Company?

[Anonymous No.17865980]

>>17863394
i read it. it didn't really have a jewish feel to it

[Anonymous No.17866009]

>Finish the first 3 Foundation books
>Read a synopsis of the next ones because i'm not really feeling such a late addition to the corpus
>It's absolute shit
What was Asimov thinking?

[Anonymous No.17866038]

I'm having trouble when it comes to the dialog in my stories. How do you find a balance between portraying how people talk casually, but not making it feel too modern? Obviously you don't use modern slang but at the same time people in the ancient days didn't talk in the very stilted and formal style like is portrayed in the books and historical records from that time. I really like how the TV show Rome does it, to me it strikes a good balance. What do you guys think? Here are some examples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY2Cr_7_BIU

One thing I noticed is that, they really use the tone of voice and the pace to make it sound more casual; these two things are very hard to reproduce through the written word though, so on paper it sounds just as stilted and archaic and formal.

[Anonymous No.17866052]

>>17866009

Only read the first three but tell me what happens lad? I don't really feel bothered to read them and think the third book wrapped up thinks really well

[Anonymous No.17866182]

>>17865937
Only read the first one but I really dug it. At some point I intend to read all eleven books.

[Anonymous No.17866243]

>>17866182
The second and third books aren't quite like the first one, but I still enjoyed them. I plan on reading the next few pretty soon.

[Anonymous No.17866288]

>>17866052
All of post-space travel humanity's history has been manipulated by a robot from The Caves of Steel, making the whole Twin Foundations conflict fucking pointless
Then the MC agrees to hand over humanity's collective consciousness to Gaia, a planet where all beings form a noosphere, because he feels like a galaxy-wide collective consciousness is the only way to survive a conflict against potential foes from outside the Galaxy

[Anonymous No.17866301]

>>17866288
athiests be like

[Anonymous No.17866315]

>>17866038
Write formal dialogue in iambic pentameter.

[Anonymous No.17866349]

>>17861072
I like my fantasy overwritten and drawn out and written by mommy material women

Robin hobb
Ayn Rand

[Anonymous No.17866373]

>>17866315
It's going to be difficult to do that for every single line of dialog in the book, no?

Here's a transcribed scene from the TV show, how does it read to you?

>“Isn’t that being just a little too brazen?” He stepped forward. “Who would believe that Caesar chose such… wretches.”
>“Surely you don’t think those men paid me to put their names on the list?” Mark said in a low voice.
>“Not at all.” The senator gestured towards Posca with the scroll. “I expect they have paid him.”
>“So? What’s the problem?”
>“My endorsement will be worthless. People will merely assume I’ve been intimidated by you.”
>“Are you not intimidated?”
>“Not especially.” He began to pace around the small room, watching the carpet move his feet. “At present you cannot afford to kill me–you need me to run the Senate.”
>“Today.” Mark said, placing his hands, fingers intertwined, on the desk. “Today, I need you. Tomorrow?–”
>“Then tomorrow I will worry. Today, I suggest you let me strike the worst scoundrels off this list. Then I will endorse it.”
>“Fine, fine. Do as you like.”
>The senator handed the scroll back to Posca. “A pleasure, as always.” He said. Then he was gone, his slaves following him single-file through the door. There was a long silence.
>“...next," Posca said. "There is a delegation–“
>“No. Enough. Enough of this.” Mark said, hands palms-out before him as if declining a gift. “Call my guard.”
>“Immediately.” Posca said with a slight bow. “Before you go, if I could raise the question of my recompense and commission?–”
>“No.” Mark said, standing up. “No you cannot, you goddamned thief. Money, money, money. All of you are money hungry. Leave me.”
I need a second opinion on this. How does this read? Is it stilted? Awkward?

[Anonymous No.17866389]

>>17866373
Taking inspiration from American television is a mistake to begin with.

[Anonymous No.17866420]

>>17866373
sorry but this is genuinely awful. I wouldn't consider quitting your day job for writing it I was you

[Anonymous No.17866448]

>>17866315
How do you get better at recognizing Iambic Pentameter? Reading poems structured in that way? Reading transcripts of conversations and noting where the sounds are stressed and unstressed? Or is it a combination of reading poems, conversations, and practicing by actually writing it?

[Anonymous No.17866471]

>>17866448
Poetry is a minor application of iambic pentameter, it's primarily used in verse drama. It's also widely used in video games, actually here's a great example. Note the way cadence changes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFAl51qtjEM

[Anonymous No.17866496]

>>17866373
dialogue that works for the stage and television doesn't nessecerily work for books, read david mamet for example and the dialogue is very realistic and has people interupting all the time etc, it works great with actors but is annoying in a book.

[Anonymous No.17866594]

Can someone post link to Bakker’s blog where he is talking about writing genre fiction is the only viable way to write in our electronically balkanised society?

[Anonymous No.17866741]

>>17866594
or especially that encounter with the university lecturer who was congratulations Bakker for writings childrens books

[Anonymous No.17866756]

>>17866594
>>17866741
http://www.heliotropemag.com/Issue01/pdf/Heliotrope_pg32-38_SkepticalFantasist.pdf
"I was crossing campus not so long ago and I happened to bump into one of my old
professors. She greeted me with a warm smile and congratulated me on my success
writing children’s fiction. After swearing under my breath, I explained to her that I wrote epic
fantasy, and that if anything, it was as adult as adult could be. The idea, I told her, was that
in today’s electronically balkanized society, genre was the only place where it was possible to
write ‘literature.’"

[Anonymous No.17866793]

>>17866756
holy shit

[Anonymous No.17866836]

>>17866594
https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/essay-archive/the-future-of-literature-in-the-age-of-information/
>This means all the old and largely unfounded prejudices against genre fiction must be set aside. Genre only seems antithetical to ‘literature’ because the literary have turned it into a flattering foil, abandoned it, in effect, leaving a rhetorical fog of self-congratulation in their wake. In my own case, I chose epic fantasy because I knew the best way to provoke readers with a narrative meditation on the nature and consequences of belief was to reach actual believers. And provoke I did. Other writers, like China Mieville, M. John Harrison, Gene Wolfe, John Crowley, to name just a few, are doing the same thing, producing work that is obviously literary, openly provocative, yet unheard of in literary circles for the simple sin of wearing wrong generic skin. These are the writers who are genuinely shaking things up, as opposed to hawking intellectual and aesthetic buzzes inside the literary echo chamber.

[Anonymous No.17866850]

>>17866836
I mean, I agree with what he's saying but all the Bakkerfags shilling has predisposed me to not like him or anything he says or writes.

[Anonymous No.17866880]

>>17866850
You may want to try Gene Wolfe then

[Anonymous No.17866919]

>>17866850
Then don't. Its not required reading lmao.

[Anonymous No.17866955]

>>17866420
You should learn to read first.

[Anonymous No.17866962]

>>17866919
>Its not required reading lmao.
It is though or it should be, Bakker is the best fantasy writer of the last 30 years.

[Anonymous No.17867077]

>>17865937
dropped it
after the only character i cared about even in the slightest died

[Anonymous No.17867095]

>>17866962
kek, imagine being this delusional.

[Anonymous No.17867128]

Really surprised by how much I'm enjoying the gentleman bastards series. Nearing the end of the first book and it's great so far.

[Anonymous No.17867155]

>>17867128
2nd book is a little different but as long as you like boats it's also very good.
do not under any circumstances read the third book. the series effectively ends with the 2nd.

[Anonymous No.17867187]

>>17866962
People can read shit if they want to. I really like Bakker but if people don't want to read him its their loss.

[Anonymous No.17867197]

>>17867187
What about the people who don't want other people reading him?

[Anonymous No.17867198]

are there any fantasy novels that primarily involve a boat and the horrors of the sea?

[Anonymous No.17867209]

>>17861614
Was the woman who's chapters you skipped Egwene or Elayne? I started skipping them both and reading summaries somewhere around book 10.

[Anonymous No.17867228]

>>17861706
I liked the first two that were just episodic geralt adventures after that i lose interest.

[Anonymous No.17867235]

Any more books like Call of the Arcade?

[Anonymous No.17867239]

>>17867198
ya book by the guy who wrote rangers apprentice about viking kids who build a boat

[Anonymous No.17867340]

>>17863943
It really blows my mind that critics think Tolkien is mediocre.

[Anonymous No.17867393]

>>17866315
I don't know what that is.

[Anonymous No.17867422]

>>17867155
Wh...why what happens in book 3?

[Anonymous No.17867423]

what are some good fantasy novels that primarily focus on the parent-child relationship?

[Anonymous No.17867457]

>>17867340
That's what I'm saying! Now disclaimer, I know that saying something like this on /lit/ is bound to get me crucified but I'm willing to risk it. Objectively, when you compare the renowned (though admittedly more recent works from say, the late 19th century/early 20th) literary fiction to renowned genre fiction, what are the primary differences? If you argue that, for something to have literary merit, it must be of cultural or literary significance, then why aren't Tolkien's works worthy of literary prestige? The man kickstarted the fantasy genre as we know it (almost every work written since Tolkien has been a response in some way to either Tolkien's work, or the works of those ~whose works were a response to Tolkien's work~), and in terms of deeper themes and meaning, his work qualifies. I agree with what Bakker is saying here, >>17866836 that genre fiction as a whole has suffered from being deemed and viewed as 'lesser' than literary fiction. At the same time, this view isn't exactly unwarranted; because of the massive market and the comparatively large community that surrounds fantasy and science fiction, a host of mediocre (and downright bad) writers have been given a platform. The standards for what constitutes as "good" fantasy and science fiction (in the minds of the average reader/consumer), as a result, are much lower than that of literary fiction. I can only think of a few reasons why, say, a work of literary fiction that deals with themes about "the human condition" is held in more esteem than a work of genre fiction that deals with the same themes. They are all trivial, however.

Fuck this, I'm going to start a new school of thought, a new area of literary academia that studies and analyses genre fiction instead of literary fiction. We have to sort out the very good from the very bad, we'll make our own "fantasy canon" and we'll set a new standard. Realistically, even if we did, we would get very little recognition from others and nobody will hold our opinions in any regard, so what's the point.

[Anonymous No.17867459]

>>17867393
It's over for you

>>17867423
never read her but some leguin stuff I think, a few of the aspect emperor books feature this heavily as well

[Anonymous No.17867541]

>>17863072
>>17863042
you need to go back underage tryhard newfaggot.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.17867552]

>>17860924
Hell Hath No Fury, Multiverse #2 - David Weber & Linda Evans (2007)
This a direct continuation of the first book. It would seem it's to be considered a single long book rather than separate books as the first book just ends and this one immediately picks up where it left off. Since this one ends on a complete cliffhanger, I have no doubt that the third book will do the same. This isn't something that bothers me, but apparently it bothers a lot of others.
While there still is a lot of political intrigue and maneuvering of all sorts, this second book has significantly more battle scenes, though many of them aren't much of a battle as it were. Information warfare is also a key part of what happens, as many of the characters act based on the propaganda they've been told, almost every event is rife with misunderstandings, and many mistakes are made due to insufficient information.
There's a scene where a guy, dressed only in his underwear because it's a a night raid, uses a shotgun to shoot down several griffins in one shot one kill style. Another scene that I particularly enjoyed was the usage of artillery cannons against an oncoming dragon strike. In a last ditch effort, one guy takes a grenade launcher and launches a grenade into a dragon's mouth to predictable effect.
The cast of characters is huge, but most of them are killed rather quickly. I'm almost entirely certain this has far and away the most viewpoint characters that have been killed of anything I've read. There are many characters that are introduced and die in a single chapter. Indeed, there are those who only last for a few paragraphs before meeting their end. While there are a few important characters who continue to survive, they are the exception. Several times a viewpoint character will be in mid-thought or action and their perspective abruptly ends because they died.
Overall this is much more about the war effort from both sides rather than any individual characters. If you need a lot of character development or emotional connection to the characters through their progression, then you'll probably be disappointed, because that isn't really what's going on here for almost any of the characters.
While the problems mentioned about the previous book are there still there, most of them have been lessened. They aren't anything more to me than quibbles. I enjoyed this book more than the first and I continue to be surprised by how much I'm enjoying reading it. It's just a lot of fun and not much else, though that's working more than well enough for me.
Rating: 4.5/5

[Anonymous No.17867750]

>>17865470
Hmm. Is the Bakk referencing Mary Magdalene here (given that Inri is kind of like Jesus)?

[Anonymous No.17867781]

>>17867750
that or the "disciple that jesus loved"

[Anonymous No.17867910]

First for Bakker

[Anonymous No.17868362]

>>17866962
based

[Anonymous No.17868367]

>>17867340
I mean we never figured out the Aragon’s tax policies.

[Anonymous No.17868370]

>>17864997
My... My Lord?

[Anonymous No.17868374]

Any stories like Conan or Elric?

[Anonymous No.17868389]

>>17867197
I don't care.

[Anonymous No.17868394]

>>17867209
>Not skipping anyone but Rand or PoVs interacting with Rand
ngmi

[Anonymous No.17868396]

>>17864997
Did you at least get a chuckle or two out my memes? I put a lot of hours into those, Father...

[Anonymous No.17868482]

What are you writing lads? I'm writing a story about racial conflict between humans (whites), orcs (blacks and browns) and goblins (jews).

[Anonymous No.17868510]

>>17860924
Anyone have the posts Bakker has made here?

[Anonymous No.17868546]

>>17868510

[Anonymous No.17868565]

>>17868546
Wasnt there another?

[Anonymous No.17868567]

>>17867422
the love interest of the MC that is held so highly in both his and the authors eyes turns out to be a mary sue better than you cunt and it shits all over the previous two books. it's not a bro story anymore, it's just weird trash.

[Anonymous No.17868575]

>>17868565
something about DUDE WEED LOL, i don’t have it saved

[Anonymous No.17868581]

>>17868575
No, I thought I made another...

[Anonymous No.17868608]

>>17868546
Bakker's blog is fucking cringe.

[Anonymous No.17868663]

>>17868608
>t. halfwit

[Anonymous No.17868688]

>>17868663
He talks about the "Trump-Media-Combine" or some other pseudo intellectual bullshit and that makes a rantpost about how he's an atheist and got bullied for it. It was enough for me to stop reading his book and moved onto better sci-fi. Really enjoying A Princess of Mars.
This Bakker meme has got to die, that fucking moron comes here and floods these threads with pure shit.

[Anonymous No.17868718]

>>17868688
>He talks about the "Trump-Media-Combine" or some other pseudo intellectual bullshit and that makes a rantpost about how he's an atheist and got bullied for it. It was enough for me to stop reading his book and moved onto better sci-fi. Really enjoying A Princess of Mars.
>This Bakker meme has got to die, that fucking moron comes here and floods these threads with pure shit.

[Anonymous No.17868752]

>>17868581
Ignore these seething Schismatics, My Lord. Suffering shall be the wine in their cups, and ignorance the bread they break; and all around them, darkness and the gnashing of teeth. For only Thine is the /sffg/, and the /bakkergen/, and the /lit/ itself, from this day until the end of days.

[Anonymous No.17868761]

>>17868688
Sorry he insulted your gay dad anon but it doesn’t make him a bad author.

[Anonymous No.17868784]

>>17868761
>>17868718
Fuck off Bakker. This meme is stale.

[Anonymous No.17868801]

>>17868688
>bullied for being an atheist
holy based where can I meet these bullies
also Barsoom is pretty kino but you need to remember that Dejah Thoris doesn't actually have huge boobs, she has like a c-cup at most, Thuvia is the one who's actually stacked

[Anonymous No.17868925]

Going through my old books and I stumbled upon my copy of Hyperion by Dan Simmons which I read in high school a long time ago. I flipped to my favorite section, Martin Silenus's story, and was fucking floored. Is it just me or is Dan Simmons a genius? His command over language is staggering, that is, the way he characterizes each of the pilgrims through their language and subsequently had the enormous fucking balls it takes to write a character like Martin Silenus - a poet specifically known for his mastery of language, which he thus expresses in a way I know I would be literally incapable of doing for lack of similar mastery.

Anyway, point being. What do you guys think of Hyperion and Dan Simmons? I'm kind of floored, I had forgotten over the years but I feel like with new adult context I look at this and think he's the best sci-fi writer I've read. The effortless worldbuilding, bombastic prose, and great characters layered on top of insightful ideas and a love for literature is just an incredible combination I didn't respect in my youth. Thoughts?

(And yeah, I do remember that the Endymion half of the cantos really goes off the rails. No comment on that half.)

[Anonymous No.17869312]

>>17868482
I'm doing something similar with humans (blacks), elves (East Asians), dwarves (whites), orcs (Mongolian), and halflings/hobbits (brown people and Jews depending on the subrace.)

[Anonymous No.17869337]

>>17868482
Currently writing the second draft of my book. I've spent a lot of time reading about how to craft good (in principle) stories and write interesting characters, and I've spent a lot of time working on my prose, but the more I work the more I start asking myself "Who's even gonna read this shit? Why would people read this when there's much better stuff out there?" I was so sure I was going to self-publish but now I don't know if I'll put it out there at all

[Anonymous No.17869476]

>>17869337
You might as well self publish.

[Anonymous No.17869480]

>>17868801
Should have replaced that with a boy's booty.

[Anonymous No.17869561]

>>17868482
I'm writing an original piece of fantasy fiction (novella length I think) that I'll be uploading to AO3 that is simultaneously subversive and cliched based on a dream I had involving a human guy magically turning into a girl and lezzing out with an orc amazon. He turns back into a man by the end.
Its nowhere near "complete" and very rough and full of continuity errors, but I'll probably be sufficiently finished with it at least in the sense of a fully readable story to upload it to AO3 within the week. I have no inclinations to actually publish any of this shit which is absolutely shameless, I'm writing these purely for my own amusement. The only reason I'm uploading it anywhere is to have a sense of permanence to it beyond a few MS word files saved on my computer.

[Anonymous No.17869562]

The thing I fucking hate about sff is the overpowered chuuni self-insert protagonists. In fact this problem has caused me to drop most of the sff books I've ever read. What are some books where either the protagonist is average, or the characters are not the focus of the story at all? So far only Solaris and the other works of Stanislaw Lem have fit either bill.

[Anonymous No.17869570]

>>17868925
I had a similar experience reading it for the first time at... 23. Read it over a couple flights. It was insanely good.

[Anonymous No.17869579]

>>17869562
Basically anything by Kim Stanley Robinson.

[Anonymous No.17869583]

>>17868925
I haven't read Hyperion but I've read The Terror and thought it was a very mixed bag.

[Anonymous No.17869831]

[Anonymous No.17869836]

>>17868925
i refuse to read it because of sois going MY HECKIN SHRIKEARINIIIIO

[Anonymous No.17869838]

>>17861356
Redwall

[Anonymous No.17869902]

>>17862398
Now she’s a tranny destroyer. Potterdom is back boys

[Anonymous No.17870185]

>>17868784
Cope.

[Anonymous No.17870707]

Hit 50k on my draft just now. Nearly done. We can do it writechads; we can save fantasy ourselves since no one else will.

>>17868925
Dan Simmons wrote one great book and one good book, and it's best not to look into it any further than that.

[Anonymous No.17870734]

>>17868374
Fahred and Grey Mouser.
Swords and Dark Magic is good collection of more recent S&S.
The Black Company doesn't have a central character, but it's the same globe-trotting, "using your wits to defeat superior foes" feeling you get from the best S&S.

[Anonymous No.17870758]

I finished On Blue's Waters last night and I have one question

Is it ever explained why Horn beats and rapes Seawrack. Seawrack claims it's because she sang, but it's mentioned she does it previously without incensing Horn

[Anonymous No.17870779]

>>17861356
Bobiverse is peak feels good Sci fi

[Anonymous No.17870789]

>>17870779
bobiverse is extremely reddit. It may be pleasant, decent even, but it's absolutely reddit through and through.

[Anonymous No.17870796]

>>17870789
Go back

[Anonymous No.17870804]

>>17870789
Reddit is better and more good-hearted than the cringy mouth breathing and pseudo-nihilist 4chan crowd of homo-erotic manlets.

[Anonymous No.17870806]

>>17870796
you know that I speak the truth even as you cringe from it, anon...

[Anonymous No.17871390]

>>17870804
Edgy virgin nihilists insisting the whole site become /r9k/ really murdered 4chan

[Anonymous No.17871527]

>>17870707
>and it's best not to look into it any further than that.
Yeah, I actually got excited to see he was still alive and writing books. Unfortunately for me...

[Anonymous No.17872269]

>>17870707
>Hit 50k on my draft just now. Nearly done.
holy shit, nice going anon

>We can do it writechads; we can save fantasy ourselves since no one else will.
aye, I'll drink to that

[Anonymous No.17873422]

>>17868374
No

[Anonymous No.17873447]

I don't get it

[Anonymous No.17874104]

>>17870758
You still think he is Horn?

[Anonymous No.17874391]

>>17873447
What's not to grok?

[Anonymous No.17874508]

Lads please recommend me some audiobooks for when I bike home. I like malazan in that format but Wheel of time was a complete bore. At some point I was skeeping all the chapters that were not rand or mat bu then they started doing chapter with multiple POV and I just give up.

[Anonymous No.17874622]

>>17874391
How did he become "an old one" and how did foster?

[Anonymous No.17874627]

>>17874508
Guards! Guards! or Mort
Chasm City
Kraken by China Miéville
Arcadia by Iain Pears
Senlin Ascends

[Anonymous No.17874641]

Holy fuck so a single one of these guys can shut down magic in a 100 mile radius?

[Anonymous No.17874672]

>>17874641
Hopefully the developers will patch this up soon.

[Anonymous No.17874699]

>“Because it means the Consult has mastered the Old Science. Sranc, Bashrags, Dragons, all the abominations of the Inchoroi, are artifacts of the Tekne, the Old Science, created long, long ago, when the Nonmen still ruled Eärwa.

How fresh and original, magic is actually really advanced technology, I can only hope that my limited brain capacity can comprehend Bakker's works.

kellhus is the physical manifestation of those comebacks people come up with whilst taking a shower. He's worse than -Allah forgive me for uttering this word- an anime protagonist.

[Anonymous No.17874707]

>>17874641
Malazan is truly the Dragon Ball Z of literature

[Anonymous No.17874716]

>>17874641
>>17874699
Woah...fuckkk...

[Anonymous No.17874741]

>>17874699
>Kellhus is the physical manifestation of those comebacks people come up with whilst taking a shower. He's worse than -Allah forgive me for uttering this word- an anime protagonist.

Kek

[Anonymous No.17874898]

Is Rothfuss or is Sanderson supposed to be the terrible one? I got them confused

[Anonymous No.17874915]

>>17874898
>rothfuss or sanderson
Yes.

[Anonymous No.17874956]

>>17874699
>How fresh and original, magic is actually really advanced technology, I can only hope that my limited brain capacity can comprehend Bakker's works

Only that one is.

[Anonymous No.17874987]

>>17874915
I thought one of them had a reputation on here for being particularly bad, maybe that was just one or two spammers who put that in my mind though.

[Anonymous No.17875007]

>>17874699
>NOOOO you don't understand kellhus is so deep and original actually, this is epic fantasy not children anime

[Anonymous No.17875050]

>>17860924
https://www.mediafire.com/file/rqfmsqdowbgw3fq/Folklore_The_Whispering_Skull.zip/file

This Ed Greenwood novel for the boardgame Folklore the Affliction was scrubbed off the internet in 2017 and was lost media until now.

[Anonymous No.17875154]

>>17874699
primordially filtered

[Anonymous No.17875285]

>>17874699
The definition of filtered.

[Anonymous No.17875356]

>>17863118
I'm here now but I'm on the last half of TUC so I've been avoiding this general so as to not get spoiled. Fucking amazing shit though.

[Anonymous No.17875987]

>>17874641
Wooooaaaahhhh
thats so freaking badass dude

[Anonymous No.17876178]

>>17875356
based. remember to listen to the official soundtrack when you get to chapter 20

https://youtu.be/QWN46MH4xMk

[Anonymous No.17876297]

>>17865539
Yeah watching Achamian go sicko mode on them was a great payoff for all of the preceding buildup

[Anonymous No.17876310]

How does anyone even have the time to read modern fantasy? People on here say it's all trash, but I don't even know since there's already 100+ classic 20th century fantasy I have to catch up with.

[Anonymous No.17876634]

>>17870804
Seethe under the yoke of women and trannies, faggot.

[Anonymous No.17876730]

>>17876178
oh dear okay

[Anonymous No.17876742]

>>17865539
>YOU ARE OVERMATCHED, IYOKUS

[Anonymous No.17876788]

>>17874104
I'm pretty sure at that point in the story he is still Horn

[Anonymous No.17877007]

I just recently started reading the reh Conan stories and I can’t believe how good they are.

[Anonymous No.17877284]

>>17867340
Compared to the entirety of all of literature throughout history? Of course Tolkien's nothing special, you fucking imbecile.

[Anonymous No.17877499]

>>17874699
no the magic is still magic

[Anonymous No.17877829]

I want to write a silly comedy of errors type story about a highly advanced AI sexbot who gets a normie white collar job and the shenanigans that ensue. Does such a premise exist in futuristic sci-fi already?

[Anonymous No.17877839]

>>17877007
There is a reason why Conan is almost a household name, even for normies. Howards prose, given the constraints on his stories, is god tier.

[Anonymous No.17877850]

>>17862387
>The women constantly fling abuse towards the men. and they just take, as if that is how they are supposed to act because they are men.
if this is true then how come "Kneel or you will be knelt" is such a based scene

[Anonymous No.17877943]

>>17877829
Probably something vaguely similar in an obscure webcomic or something but as long as it's not a widely-known book, movie, or television show you're probably clear.

[Anonymous No.17878038]

>>17877839
it really is. I can't quite explain it but the prose is just thick.. syrupy.. compact.. crunchy. this is what I think when I read Conan, and to a greater degree other sword and sorcery. I HIGHLY recommend Karl Edward Wagner's Kane stories for folks that are fans of Conan

[Anonymous No.17878098]

>>17876310
By ignoring what came before and/or reading out of publication order.

[Anonymous No.17878480]

when you look at all the pre chapter quotes bakker could have made a pretty damn good book of aphorisms ngl

>To merely recall the Apocalypse is to have survived it. This is what makes The Sagas, for all their cramped beauty, so monstrous. Despite their protestations, the poets who authored them do not tremble, even less do they grieve. They celebrate.

>To indulge it is to breed it. To punish it is to feed it. Madness knows no bridle but the knife

>Every monumental work of the State is measured by cubits. Every cubit is measured by the length of the Aspect-Emperor’s arm. And the Aspect-Emperor’s arm, they say, stands beyond measure. But I say the Aspect-Emperor’s arm is measured by the length of a cubit, and that all cubits are measured by the works of the State. Not even the All stands beyond measure, for it is more than what lies within it, and “more” is a kind of measure. Even the God has His cubits.

[TUC spoilers No.17878490]

[only 30k making it to golgotterath is grim, total suicide mission even if they survived and such a small number against millions of sranc/spoiler]

[Anonymous No.17878635]

>>17870758
She’s a siren. That’s the effect the siren’s song has.

[Anonymous No.17878711]

At which chapter does it get good?

[Anonymous No.17878721]

Any fun high adventure fantasy that keep you on your toes?

Bonus points if it's involves finding treasure with ships or something.

[Anonymous No.17878776]

>>17878711
It's mostly worldbuilding. Second book is where you'll decide whether you really like it or not.

[Anonymous No.17878817]

Massive Second Apocalypse/TUC spoilers inbound
>the Consult were subverted from within by the Dunyain
okay
>Kellhus was possessed by Ajokli during his trip to the Outside and/or had him stored in the other head the entire time
i guess
>Ajokli is able to directly manipulate Chorae, the supposed fragments of the God-of-Gods
not too beyond belief
>Kellhus descended as Kellhus for some reason before immediately polymorphing into the No-God, despite the No-God seeming barely sentient and Kellhus being fucking dead at the time, only Mimara could see his true identity
how does this make any sense at all
>Kelmomas somehow, without any knowledge of sorcery, scaled a massive vertical tower solely to fuck with Kellhus
fucking retarded
>Kelmomas spooks Ajokli into receding completely which then causes Kellhus, the man with a perfect reaction time even before he became the greatest sorcerer to ever exist, to just stand there for a bit like ??? and then job to a single skin-spy
this is dumb

i'm just kinda disappointed

[Anonymous No.17878821]

>>17878711
After akka’s former apprentice dies

[Anonymous No.17878866]

>>17878817
because kelmommys boy became the no god, he was always the no god and could never ever be perceived by the gods. So Ajokli has to swap back in order for Kel to be able to perceive who was fucking up his moment.

[Anonymous No.17878884]

>>17878866
>fucking things up in the future manages to retroactively fuck with the past
It's like I'm actually reading Homestuck

[Anonymous No.17878941]

>>17878884
Time doesn’t exist on the outside. That’s why akojli starts talking to past kellhus, to lead him to the spot where future kellhus makes a deal with him.

[Anonymous No.17878970]

>>17878941
Wait, when does that happen? What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.17878989]

>>17878970
>Punish the Shrial knights

[Anonymous No.17879155]

>>17878989
I thought that was just him bullshitting to try to get Sarcellus killed Uriah-style

[Anonymous No.17879195]

Imagine the Voynich manuscript having been written by wizard from a parallel world who got stuck here. It's pure isekai bait.

[Anonymous No.17879223]

>>17878711
It started picking up for me around chapter 6ish.

[Anonymous No.17879229]

>>17878721
Lord of the Rings.

[Anonymous No.17879232]

>>17879195
You mean it isn't?

[Anonymous No.17879270]

>>17879232
I'm a hard-hearted skeptic and no fan of /x/. Until I can actually find the alternate dimension where it would've came from, I'm mentally compelled to treat it more as a historical-detective mystery. I'd genuinely love to have the time to write a fantasy story about the manuscript however.

[Anonymous No.17879276]

>>17879270
Seems reasonable, anon, hope your search bodes well.

[Anonymous No.17879502]

>>17879229
I read it, it isn't original in the slightest. it feel like its just another rip off from other fantasy novels.

[Anonymous No.17879514]

>>17879502
Nigga what?

[Anonymous No.17879522]

>>17877829
I've seen a few on amazon.

[Anonymous No.17879542]

>>17861041
Thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.17879604]

>>17874707
Fuck you. Journey to the West is the Dragon Ball Z of literature.

[Anonymous No.17879616]

>>17869831
>Still expecting an update
Your fault completely.

[Anonymous No.17879649]

>>17865619
He's never going to make it, anon. Why give him false hope?

[Anonymous No.17879653]

>>17863565
What the fuck are you on about?

[Anonymous No.17879684]

>>17864001
Try /k/?

[Anonymous No.17879714]

>>17865937
Not from me, anon.

[Anonymous No.17879742]

>>17861223
God, I want to go back.

[Anonymous No.17879753]

>>17869838
Is that still being produce?

[Anonymous No.17879764]

>>17870707
>Hit 50k on my draft just now. Nearly done. We can do it writechads; we can save fantasy ourselves since no one else will.
Good luck, anon. Post it on Amazon so I can support you.

[Anonymous No.17879793]

>>17877839
Why hasn't there been a new movie or TV show about it?

[Anonymous No.17879801]

>>17879793
Sjw and our current culture.

[Anonymous No.17879810]

>>17879801
There's got to be more than that.

[Anonymous No.17879828]

>>17879810
No, that’s it. That’s the world we live in.

[Anonymous No.17879839]

>>17861041
Give me a rundown, how good is it?

[Anonymous No.17879845]

>>17879839
Read it and find out.

[Anonymous No.17879851]

>>17861706
Like the first three, but those are the only ones I read.

[Anonymous No.17879855]

>>17861855
Never heard about them.

[Anonymous No.17879862]

>>17879855
What do you guys think of speculative biology?

[Anonymous No.17879865]

>>17879862
Only read a few and I don't have a strong feeling on them.

[Anonymous No.17879874]

>>17879865
I think it’s a nice niche that could use more love.

[Anonymous No.17879878]

New thread.

>>17879875

[Anonymous No.17880713]

>>17879195
Great idea, you should write it as a short story on the weekend sometime.