Consumerism is a system that can't be escaped from

[Anonymous No.17849426]

Hear me out on this one. I've come to find that the consumerist society that we live in, is a system that we cannot escape from. Every attempt that has been made to escape from consumerism is a way back to it. Every form of rebellion, resistance or critique on the consumer society that we live in can be commodified, marketed and sold back to us. It's not merely that capitalism/consumerism can do this, it must do this to survive. It's an elegant system that will never be broken.

Fascism, socialism, SJW, anarcho-primitivism, /pol/-tard philosophy, it's all been commericialized and sold back to us. There is no shock value anymore in things as gore or pornography, because the horrendous side of our human psyche has been marketed to us by algorhytms. We stare in a black void of numbness overstimulation.
Everything that once could be pure, can no longer be. Everything is a facade and every form of rebellion is actually a benefitial mutation to this soulless society we live in. Even this post is a mutation of consumerism, mutating for a group that has become skeptical of consumeristic society. This critique will be used against me. There is no out of this maze, the rabbit hole can only go deeper.

Are there philosophers that have come to the same conclusion? Or philsophers that thought radically otherwise? Should I take my meds?

[Anonymous No.17849435]

It is time to start with the Greeks, my friend.

[Anonymous No.17849447]

>>17849426
All stems from the fact that the current iteration of homo genus is pathetic shit. This is why eugenic practices are so important. The only way to escape from the imperfections of humanity, is to change humanity into something better. This, or WW3, nuclear annihilation, and hoping that the next species that comes along isn't so bad.

[Anonymous No.17849466]

I was planting some seeds in my garden 4 days ago. it was a warm but not too warm spring day, the first rain had dried from the ground, but the air still had its crispness. As I stood up to get compost, a white butterfly came towards me. It was so gentle and graceful. I stood still to not frighten it. It came from my left, circled around me, so close if I breathed I would bump it, and flew off to god knows where.
please go outside OP, theres a beautiful world just waiting for you to interact with it

[Anonymous No.17849469]

you can easily do it individually especially if you have no attachment to marketing imagery

[Anonymous No.17849476]

>>17849466
please go to facebook and share your beautiful moments with other simpleton drones

[Anonymous No.17849477]

>>17849426
>>17849466

based anons

[Anonymous No.17849489]

>>17849426
Good thing we'll die before shit goes down ainit

[Anonymous No.17849494]

>>17849476
Youre the drone faggot. you sit watching news all day (which you probably get from /pol/) claim the world is shit, think your enlightened by basic observation, and beg for books you will never read, and probably repeat weekly
kill yourself but unironically

[Anonymous No.17849495]

>>17849466
OP here. I made the post a bit too much schizo on purpose. I know about the world outside, I love it and spent much time in it. It's just hard sometimes you know? It's just hard sometimes

[Anonymous No.17849497]

>>17849495
>>17849494
fuck i feel bad

[Anonymous No.17849503]

>>17849494
>got called out
>instantly drops his le dreamy poet in a garden persona and starts flinging insults
Lmao sorry your facebook schtick didn't pass through, tranny. Perhaps the real butterfly was the dilator you have to use soon.

[Anonymous No.17849528]

>>17849476
Please go to reddit if you're not able to appreciate sincerity but need your black pill of post-modern irony.

[Anonymous No.17849543]

>>17849426
Women are the biggest consumers keep expanding their rights why is consumerism getting worse guys

[Anonymous No.17849546]

>>17849426
Welcome to literally every socialist thinker since 1950

[Anonymous No.17849565]

>>17849546
>muh socialism
fuck off, it's just another materialist ideology

[Anonymous No.17849572]

>>17849503
>tranny
Id rather take the ban and absolve myself to be honest.

[Anonymous No.17849580]

>>17849572
Sorry for your loss (of skin)

[Anonymous No.17849661]

>>17849426
it's not a system

[Anonymous No.17849673]

>>17849426
It will be stopped by energy and resource constraints and ecological degradation. The drive to consoom has no desire or ability to plan for long-term physical limits and sustainability.

[Anonymous No.17849718]

>>17849494
Holy shit, you bastard. I almost got seduced by you. Fuck, shows how you can't trust anyone these days.

[Anonymous No.17849899]

>>17849426
>Every attempt that has been made to escape from consumerism is a way back to it. Every form of rebellion, resistance or critique on the consumer society that we live in can be commodified, marketed and sold back to us. It's not merely that capitalism/consumerism can do this, it must do this to survive. It's an elegant system that will never be broken.
the problem of the atheist is that they dont understand that criticism of the society is 100% atheistic. Because atheism is the -ism for ''commoners should care about society and the actions of the ruling class''

So the attempt of the atheist to criticism or escape ''society''is still at the core of atheism, right in the ideological canvas of the secular rationalist.

The only way to think outside the atheist box is to stop being an atheist completely. For this you have to start looking at the failure of atheism, the full pictures, not just the failure pointed by one branch of the dichotomy classical-new liberalism. Because both of those are still liberalism.

[Anonymous No.17849936]

>>17849426
>Are there philosophers that have come to the same conclusion
Karl Marx. For the most part. You could try to escape to a commune out in the jungle and not engage in the market and not be a consumer, but that's not going to replace the system -- it's an escapist, utopian flight of fancy. Capitalism is more like the Borg or something, it's a system that is going to spread everywhere, it has to in order to reproduce itself. It'll absorb everything into itself.

These guys get it:

https://youtu.be/n4UTtRRZvzw?t=122

>It's an elegant system that will never be broken.
Not sure about that one. But anti-consumer or r/consoom critics tend to focus on the consumption side of the equation, while Marx focused on production and how the system would hit certain limits. At the same time, he predicted the consumer economy and the resulting alienation. If you think about it, our society is a really weird one, because you go into the store and there are all these products staring back at you, and we made all of this (as a human community), but the products look at us like "alien" objects in a sense, they have cartoon mascots shouting "buy me!" They're like little creatures, or symbols that people consume in order to give themselves a sense of purpose or meaning or identity. Marx called this the fetishism of commodities.

This is also why the critics of "woke capitalism" miss the mark somewhat. They observe a real thing, but they don't realize that gay people or black people being marketed to by big corporations isn't really novel at all. It's unsettling and uncomfortable because it reveals what they've been immersed in from birth but deny, that their very identities which they believe are "natural" or "authentic" are socially constructed, always were:

https://youtu.be/JPBpZCTRM0I

[Anonymous No.17850082]

>>17849543
Women and homosexuals are the ideal consumer class. They want irrational and impulsive buyers, and fathers who think soberly for their family’s future are not good consumers.

[Anonymous No.17850112]

>>17849718
>>17849503
Hes completely right though, the real world never died, youre just self trapped in a hyperreality, because you grew up into it an refuse to escape it

[Anonymous No.17850281]

>>17850082
>They want irrational and impulsive buyers

[Anonymous No.17850346]

>>17850281
This is why the "we're going to engineer the perfect consumer..." theories don't really stand up to scrutiny, because it just applies to the entire society more or less. Take the gun industry in the United States. Guns retain value and are reliable for a century if you maintain them, but capitalists in the gun business compete with each other and reinvest their profits in machines (you wouldn't buy a gun from a manufacturer who wasn't very good at precision tooling would you?).

But over time, they have to pay for the upkeep of the machines even though they've produced too much, which causes the rate of profit to fall over time. They have to compensate, and the answer is to create new needs and wants for guns, like arming teachers or EMS workers. That's one reason why survivalism is a thing now, and guns have become increasingly customizable -- the industry is trying to compensate for a falling rate of profit, because *production* is the driving motor force of the industry, not consumption.

The same can be extrapolated across the economy. So the question about whether it can be broken or not, one issue is that at a certain point, you a "crisis of overproduction," we make too much stuff, and the rate of profit will fall so low, capitalists will find they can make a greater return in just rank speculation, which is how we get the overly financialized economy we are living in now. Everything is falling apart but it's more profitable to flip houses, or invest in the stock market, or meme stocks and fine art, or just flipping bling back and forth on the expectation that someone else will buy it for more later. And the society becomes very unequal, unstable and prone to destabilizing economic problems.

[Anonymous No.17850364]

How do we prevent this future?

[Anonymous No.17850560]

There is no such thing as "capitalism"

[Anonymous No.17850571]

You're not saying anything Baudrillard didn't already say, or Adorno, or Packard, etc.

[Anonymous No.17850607]

>>17849503
>there is no outside to america's culture war, this is the absolute horizon of your consciousness, dilate, seethe, cope, dilate, seethe, cope, dilate, seethe, cope...
americans are fucking debased. hang yourself from the beautiful tree in your yard you never cared to notice you fucking spastic

[Anonymous No.17850763]

>>17850112
So many wet cunts on this board. E.g you.

[Anonymous No.17850774]

>>17849466
how much did you pay for the seeds?
did you buy fertilizer?

[Anonymous No.17850781]

>>17850281
>Last for 10s of years if maintained properly
>All 'approved' government and media persons hate them and slowly erode rights
>Have a real world use for self defense or sport
E.g. they're not just some piece of shit toy or gimmick manufactured in China. Maybe some are, but I doubt they're very popular.

See the infantilism of users of Reddit as a good example, a subreddit for every niche involving consumption of product. Endless amounts of money to pump into said useless product or game, with little real world use

[Anonymous No.17850798]

>>17850112
No, OP is right in most of his observations. Spend a day or two around 'normies', listen to their opinions, note their music taste, and note their morals. many of them are parrots of predefined types they have found online. You don't think the rise of digital technology and its absolute control over daily life could have had an effect?
Yes you can go into your garden and spunk your pants over a butterfly or a flower, because you're that demoralised, but participate in normal (city and inner city) society and you will find OP correct.

[Anonymous No.17850809]

who fucking cares about consumerism? if you don't want what's for sale, don't buy it.

[Anonymous No.17850818]

>>17849466
Funny how you get absolute wetties on this board who think they aren't as neurotic as the people they're criticising. If you unironically wrote this and are a male, take a look at yourself.

[Anonymous No.17850838]

>>17850818
yeah, it's hilarious when kids who spend like 14 hours a day on the most toxic websites on the internet try to get on their high horse about anything.

[Anonymous No.17850854]

>>17850774
>how much did you pay for the seeds?
None, harvested them myself
>did you buy fertilizer?
No, it is made from human and animal excrement.

[Anonymous No.17850954]

>>17849466
Sounds super gay but I do think you have a point. Yes civilization has gone to shit but it's possible to go hermit mode and live completely outside the world of trannies and funko pops. You don't need to know the news or wonder about the next chimpout. You could spend the rest of your life immersed in literature/nature/art while the world collapses around you

[Anonymous No.17851006]

[Anonymous No.17851131]

>>17849466
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.17851194]

>>17849466
Second this. I got kinda tired of all this tech surrounding me and that's what finally made me start reading after 10 years.
Piracy is a good solution to consumerism too, but you must control yourself and simply enjoy things. I still watch movies on my 11yo laptop and I only buy the base product and pirate the rest, like games+console, phone+music, ereader+books. Sure, you're still consooming, but you need to do something with life and not stare at the sky/walls all day.

[Anonymous No.17851206]

well then we need to force it to break then

[Anonymous No.17851337]

Any society with enough material abundance that people are not living on the edge of survival will be consumerist.

[Anonymous No.17851353]

First 5000 years of debt kinda explains this and it’s been blowing my fucking mind.

[Anonymous No.17851379]

>>17851194
THIS. And I'll add that you must learn to repair the things you have or know where people can do it for you. Avoid every fast-stuff, such as clothes, electronics, food and so on. Buy only the necessary and in local stores.

[Anonymous No.17851943]

>>17851379
Yeah, I've never been a big consumer either, since I've always been saving money and don't feel the need to spend it.
As for food, I buy it from the supermarket, but only what I need and the only "unhealthy" stuff I buy is dark chocolate and flour to make bread. I want to learn how to fish this Sumner, so I can catch a bunch and freeze. Usually buy frozen blueberries, but once blackberries are in season I'll pick them up and freeze them. Also been looking at cheap air rifles or crossbows to hunt rabbits, and books on plants you can harvest for making tea and easy to grow herbs to season food.
As for clothes it's the same thing. I have a small closet with what I need mainly composed of clothes I've had for 10+ years. I do need some decent wool shirts and jacket, but I'm waiting for second hand shops to open.
Electronics, I'm 28 and until now owned 5 phones. As I said already, I have an 11 year old laptop and got my mom's one recently which is also 11 year old to use on my TV. Recently got a Kobo to read, that way I can pirate all the books. I only buy consoles that I know I can hack to get free games, but latest generations are pretty trashy, so I skipped PS3, PS4 and PS5 generations and instead got a 3DS and now a Switch. Every other electronic I usually get it for free on Freecycle.
A really important thing that you should realise as soon as you can is to slow down. I had anxiety and stress all the time until I learnt to slow down. Along with stoicism and dokkodo, this channel really helped, so maybe have a look. https://youtube.com/channel/UCKx5lHJ6Fr5mbT4TYVLh6ng

[Anonymous No.17852476]

>>17849466
This confuses and scares the doomers. They lash out in anger at the post which hurt them.

>>17849426
>It's an elegant system that will never be broken.
In 100 years, when global average temperatures has risen by several degrees, rising sealevels have flooded Northwestern Europe, climate change migrants have overrun the declining Western populations and the USAians have been thoroughly Brazilified, consumerist society will crash down hard. The question is: What will you do during the decline?

[Anonymous No.17852525]

>>17851943
I'm not watching a female's youtube videos

[Anonymous No.17852550]

>>17849426
Oh wow dude humans consume things no matter what, wow very interesting take

The issue isnt consumption itself, but consumerism; a nihilistic replacement of God with a religion of purchasing goods.
We will always consume but you're wrong that all rebellion is futile. Recognize the real source of our woes, it isnt an advanced economy. It's a spirit thing

[Anonymous No.17852616]

>Consumerism
I've always felt that this is a dumb concept. What is a non-consumerist society, exactly? Do you restrict production so that people aren't able to buy too many things? Furthermore, people trying to sell you things is ultimately rather harmless - just don't buy said things.

[Anonymous No.17852739]

>>17849426
Nice. Now go to the end of the road.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendency_of_the_rate_of_profit_to_fall

It's not over because it is stopped by willpower. But because it reached it's internal contradiction.

[Anonymous No.17852759]

>>17852616
>I've always felt that this is a dumb concept. What is a non-consumerist society, exactly?
doth americans truthfully

[Anonymous No.17852761]

>>17849447
Okay Ultron.

[Anonymous No.17852782]

>>17852759
It's a fair question really. Almost every commodity is produced to be consumed or to facilitate commodity productions, with the exception of things like art etc., so again, what is "non-consumerist production"? At best these seems to reflect a desire for there to be somehow a sense of the beautiful or sacred in things we make, but on the other hand most people complaining about consumerism are Communists so it's not clear how they would achieve this.

[Anonymous No.17852797]

>>17852782
>another american naturalizing his slavery
pottery

[Anonymous No.17852820]

>>17852797
What is an example of non-consumerist production outside of art or infrastructure?

[Anonymous No.17852845]

>>17852782
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendency_of_the_rate_of_profit_to_fall
First, communists are not necessarily strict atheists. That's a deformation of the Zeitgeist, like many other things. See Engels on the history of early Christianity.
Back to the subject, in Capitalisms, items are not produced for their use value, but for their exchange value. They are produced not in order to satisfy a social need, but in order to be sold for a profit.
A society without commodity is a society where man produce not to make a profit, but in order to satisfy his needs.

[Anonymous No.17852874]

>>17852820
Open source software. torrents (there is one currently in my torrent client). Also, if you are gardening in your garden (like i did today), it's typically a production for it's use value. Not for profit.

[Anonymous No.17852887]

>>17849426
>Are there philosophers that have come to the same conclusion?
Every left/postmodern/critical theorist philosopher after Marx (including). You can read Capitalist realism by Fisher because it's popular right now.
>>17849435 this guy has his point. Critique of consumerism can be tracked back to greece.

>Or philsophers that thought radically otherwise?
There are people who have solutions, like Unabomber, Guenon, Evola, Heidegger and maybe some other people. idk. Just go live in the woods. No one will stop you, but If you do china will eventually repopulate the earth

>Should I take my meds?
Your thought are nothing new. it's a fair critique of capitalism/industrial society. Communism isn't an answer either because it's science fiction. Therr are lots of great answers in the thread.

[Anonymous No.17852910]

>>17852845
>First, communists are not necessarily strict atheists. That's a deformation of the Zeitgeist, like many other things. See Engels on the history of early Christianity.
All the significant Communist states more-or-less practiced state atheism, did they not? On the other hand, perhaps they weren't Real Communism.

>Back to the subject, in Capitalisms, items are not produced for their use value, but for their exchange value. They are produced not in order to satisfy a social need, but in order to be sold for a profit.
The only reason things have an exchange value is because they have a use value, or no one would bother exchanging for them in the first place.

>A society without commodity is a society where man produce not to make a profit, but in order to satisfy his needs.
How does this "solve" consumerism? People will still want to obtain status-signaling goods, for example. People who produce things for profit are producing to meet others' needs, without which there wouldn't be a possibility of profit.

>>17852874
>OSS
it's not even traded in the first place.
>gardening
Fair enough, but how does it differ essentially from large-scale farming? Is there a critical scale at which farming becomes consumerist production, or would you consider any crop/livestock production for sale to, at a bare minimum, have consumerist tendencies?

[Anonymous No.17852928]

>>17852874
Not for profit does not mean not consumerist

[Anonymous No.17852941]

>>17852887
>Communism isn't an answer either because it's science fiction.
When the first cotton spining whell was invented, during feudalism, i guess many said Capitalism is science fiction as well.
In the end, communism will not be adopted because we are kind and sweet people, but because it will be the only way to keep our production capacity, without it collapsing. A mode of production is always built on the foundation of the preceding one.

[Anonymous No.17852976]

>>17849466
I get the idea. Make the best out of a situation rather than allow yourself to wallow in despair. Action, even if minimal or futile, is the way forward. That said, I'm a huge pessimist and burying my head in the sand wouldn't prevent the noise of the outside world from coming in (laws restricting speech, white replacement, mass idiocy, even the recent bill against fucking pellet rifles in my country).

[Anonymous No.17852981]

>>17852941
You seem to miss my point. Communism it literally science fiction. We have no idea what economical model will follow after capitalism. And there is no way to predict it.
No one knows what will the payment system be. No one knows when and how.
The only thing that we truly know is that nothing lasts forever. Capitalism will be changed by something (so will communism btw).
There will be systems before so called communism, like, state capitalism. How can anyone be sure what will follow?
Marx's Dialectics, unfortunately, is not a science

[Anonymous No.17852997]

I stopped consuming but now I don't know what to do

[Anonymous No.17853008]

>>17852997
>AHHH, I'M CONSOOOMING, AGHHHH

[Anonymous No.17853013]

>>17853008
All I do is walk I guess that's based?

[Anonymous No.17853020]

>>17853013
yes

[Anonymous No.17853031]

>>17853013
Well, walking is also an expression of freedom.
You should walk more. 5km, 10km, 50km, 40000km around the fucking world. This would be a divine goal.

[Anonymous No.17853040]

>>17853031
I walked 10 miles this morning. Actually really helped clear my mind. But it doesn't seem like a sustainable habit long term.

[Anonymous No.17853060]

>>17853040
Walk more. After 1000 miles you will find yourself a new personal god. It could be christian god. Walk will be a sacrifice to the god. At that point you won't be able to stop.

[Anonymous No.17853070]

>>17849466
Lmao this nigga watering plants and thinks he’s profound

[Anonymous No.17853075]

>>17852910
>On the other hand, perhaps they weren't Real Communism.
Perhaps libertarian Marxists, like Karl Kautsky, criticized them from the start.
>The only reason things have an exchange value is because they have a use value, or no one would bother exchanging for them in the first place.
Yes, but things can have use value without having exchange value.
>People will still want to obtain status-signaling goods
There is no status signaling items, if there is no class.
>would you consider any crop/livestock production for sale to, at a bare minimum, have consumerist tendencies?
Yes this. It's not the scale. But the nature. If you sold it, it's for exchange, thus it's consumerist.
>>17852928
>Not for profit does not mean not consumerist
If you apply the definition of consumerism, it does Comsumerism : "the state of an advanced industrial society in which a lot of goods are bought and sold"
If something is not sold, it's not consumerism. It's not Capitalism either.
>>17852981

>How can anyone be sure what will follow?
Only thing for sure, it cannot be something based on exchange value, due to the tendency of the rate of profit to fall ( constant increase of constant Capital), cumulated with market saturation.
Only something that is not based on exchange value could work. Since production has never been this high, and access to machinery, even for the average human, is high (think of something like cars), it's probably that the next mode of production will be communism. Neo feudalism seems unlikely. People are not sheeps to such an extend. Crazy dictatorial artificial intelligence, perhaps, but algorythms still are pretty primitive,, so there is a long way to go.
Yes, State Capitalism will probably appear in the near future. Because many economical sectors are not profitable, but are necessary because of social needs. So they will be nationalized, not because the government is commie, but because they are not profitable anymore, and are essential. Think of water, electricity, roads.
By the way, it's not science fiction, it worked in the Israeli Kibbutzim real enough. Same for revolutionary Catalonia (1936-1937). It was some sort of bastardized inferior communism, but it still worked. Society didn't collapse, like many think such a society would.

[Anonymous No.17853094]

>>17852976
>muh race
fuck off

[Anonymous No.17853097]

>>17853094
you will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.17853113]

>>17853075
I'm really sorry, but
>Comsumerism : "the state of an advanced industrial society in which a lot of goods are bought and sold"
>If something is not sold, it's not consumerism. It's not Capitalism either.
>the tendency of the rate of profit to fall
>because many economical sectors are not profitable, but are necessary because of social needs
is purely Marxist rhetorics. This is not real economics. There is no reason to argue about any of this because it's just too dogmatic. Even the wiki link from you said the same thing.

[Anonymous No.17853122]

>>17850781
one gun is useful, maybe two or three
the number in that pic is a fucking fetish
furthermore it signals someone rich, and rich people can all go fucking die

[Anonymous No.17853153]

>>17849565
different anon but no immaterial philosophy is ever going to be widely popular in the West, not even Christianity, we have to choose the least cancerous approach to the material world we live in, and that's to help each other materially as much as possible
>but socialism takes shit away
it takes away from the rich; why should I care about the rich more than the poor?

[Anonymous No.17853181]

>>17853153
>it takes away from the rich; why should I care about the rich more than the poor?
This discussion always comes down to our psyche.
Are you sure you care about the poor? You are you just envious that other people are richer than you? Or do you just want to be rich yourself?
None of this can be answerd. This is why continental thought is trash.

[Anonymous No.17853182]

Reminder that Marx was retroactively refuted before even finishing his masturbatory historical fiction trilogy

[Anonymous No.17853194]

>>17853153
This. That's why we need to focus on the social relation study. It's not religious. Most can agree that social relation are something real. But most ignore this concept. Money is a social relation. Wage labor is a social relation. Are those the social relation we want to have?

[Anonymous No.17853200]

>>17849936
>If you think about it, our society is a really weird one, because you go into the store and there are all these products staring back at you, and we made all of this (as a human community), but the products look at us like "alien" objects in a sense, they have cartoon mascots shouting "buy me!" They're like little creatures, or symbols that people consume in order to give themselves a sense of purpose or meaning or identity. Marx called this the fetishism of commodities.
this is why I turn around everything I buy so the back or the side faces where I normally look
it's unsettling to feel like you live in a store, like slightly creepy and moderately patronizing

[Anonymous No.17853224]

>>17853153
> ever
Whatever is subject to origination is subject to cessation. Modernity (everything since Descartes) will pass too.

[Anonymous No.17853245]

>>17849476
reddit

[Anonymous No.17853272]

>>17850364
stop working, just literally do nothing

[Anonymous No.17853286]

>>17853272
But that's what (((they)) want

[Anonymous No.17853304]

>>17850798
>Spend a day or two around 'normies', listen to their opinions, note their music taste, and note their morals. many of them are parrots of predefined types they have found online.
If you need strangers you don't care about around to have a full life then you're doing it wrong.
>You don't think the rise of digital technology and its absolute control over daily life could have had an effect?
Different anon here but no I don't. Most people have always been "NPCs", to use a term I don't like. Most people are kind of dumb and not even in a fascinating Karl Pilkington way, they're just not very knowledgeable or great at putting ideas together.
There's a reason Steve Buscemi and other "ugly" actors are famous but a million other people who look better or are more fit or smarter are unknown, the famous ones have (or at least seem to have) something under the surface that makes them compelling.
This also neatly refutes the premise and purpose of your first point again. You shouldn't be pursuing normies, there's no point, you should be pursuing high-quality people. I don't necessarily mean famous ones or rich or even all that smart, but people who are genuine and kind and have a unique perspective. They are hard to find; they're rare, they always have been. The search is nonetheless worth it.

[Anonymous No.17853344]

>>17853097
no shit I'm 100% male
now fuck off back to stormfront

[Anonymous No.17853362]

>>17852616
I think the state should restrict the markets in a way that prevents the market economy from falling into the loop of creating demand for products that nobody really needs. Consumerism is corporations conditioning the public through marketing campaigns to buy products that don't add any genuine value. And those products wouldn't be bought without this conditioning process.

[Anonymous No.17853391]

>>17853286
that's not true. if (((they))) are real then they want you to keep working and participating in these fake ideological wars. our fake economy can't go on forever if people are not doing anything

[Anonymous No.17853398]

>>17853200
They contain human labor, and as such, people value them, feel that they are special.
An exchange of goods, even with money as a mediation, is a social relation. A exchange such quantity of labor, against an equivalent of quantity of labor. a good, with B. Relation between people, have become relation between commodity. That's commodity fetishism.

[Anonymous No.17853409]

>>17853362
>demand for products that nobody really needs
>Consumerism is corporations conditioning the public through marketing campaigns to buy products that don't add any genuine value
Yet again, it goes down to psyche.
How can you be sure that you know better what other people need? Is everyone in the world a special snowflake?
What is
>genuine value
and how can you decide this instead of other people?

>>17853398
>That's commodity fetishism.
Same thing applies here

[Anonymous No.17853425]

>>17853181
>Are you sure you care about the poor?
My family and I are poor, I've had many friends who were lower-middle-class, why would I not care about the poor? I won't stop caring if I gain money either. I'm currently sitting on over $3,000 between stimulus, taxes, and hard-earned income-- far more than I've ever had before. I'm spending more as a result, but not on status items, and I'm not suddenly disregardful of the poor, nor do I think I deserve my money more than them. If I can conjecture, you don't care about the poor because you haven't experienced it and you may lack empathy; are you autistic?
>Or do you just want to be rich yourself?
I think most people dream of being rich, but they do so because of what it offers-- freedom and power. This is also why people want to own businesses, why they get into politics, why they formerly would try to seize control of nations through military action. I understand that not everyone can handle true power, and at any rate there are natural limits on it, but most people deserve true freedom.

[Anonymous No.17853449]

>>17853425
>you don't care about the poor so you are autistic and lack empathy
Try to prove this without the help of psychoanalysis. My point still stands.

> I understand that not everyone can handle true power, and at any rate there are natural limits on it, but most people deserve true freedom.
No offense, but this is gibberish

[Anonymous No.17853466]

>>17853425
How should I spend excess wealth if I don't want to buy myself shit I don't need? I feel like I should help people out but I don't have any friends...

[Anonymous No.17853475]

>>17849426
Its Honestly no use in participating in threads like this. The only thing one can do to combat ideologies is becoming what water is to fire and embodying it in the world. Not making faces into the abyss.

[Anonymous No.17853508]

>>17853466
Do the same thing Musk, Gates and Soros does. Create funds and grants

[Anonymous No.17853552]

>>17853466
Simple, you don't (spend this excess wealth). If you keep it, and others do likewise, wealth itself will loose value, after a while. Up to the point that people will not value wealth as much, but will prioritize time.

[Anonymous No.17853567]

>>17850364
move to the hinterlands and reproduce

[Anonymous No.17853591]

>>17853552
>If you keep it, and others do likewise...
Definitely not science fiction...

[Anonymous No.17853672]

>>17852616

[Anonymous No.17853695]

>>17853591
Well i wouldn't have said that if it's not currently happening. Not with boomers though.

[Anonymous No.17853727]

>>17853695
Citation needed

[Anonymous No.17853840]

>>17853727
You cannot sell something that doesn't have value anymore. Because it only contains a tiny fraction of work. Hence, communism.

[Anonymous No.17853853]

>>17849426
wow that's crazy. have you seen this show Black Mirror?

[Anonymous No.17853932]

>>17853840
So there was a period in history when you could sell something without value???

[Anonymous No.17854007]

>>17853932
No, but there was a period in history where you could have value (use value) without selling. Without commodity.
In any case, with mechanization, the value of things decrease. Up to the point where it's not profitable anymore to sell them. That's the point.

[Anonymous No.17854053]

>>17853040

Why wouldn't it be a sustainable habit? As long as you have two functional legs...

[Anonymous No.17854059]

>>17854007
>there was a period in history where you could have value (use value) without selling
Sorry I’m a dimwit but can you give me an example?

[Anonymous No.17854063]

>>17854053
I can't spend all my time just walking is what I mean. But I hate collecting shit, I have like an anti-hoarding mental illness. Can't stand having shit lying around I don't use. I'm constantly selling shit I buy on ebay.

[Anonymous No.17854064]

>>17849426
Algorhytms

[Anonymous No.17854070]

>>17849435
Based.

[Anonymous No.17854104]

>>17853449
I said it was conjecture, not a statement of fact. Your response implies I'm not far off ("nuh uh you can't prove it").
>> I understand that not everyone can handle true power, and at any rate there are natural limits on it, but most people deserve true freedom.
>No offense, but this is gibberish
It means just what it says, people should be allowed to do anything they have the means to do (as long as it doesn't harm anyone else of course).

[Anonymous No.17854158]

>>17854059
That's the primitive Gens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gens
Or the patriarchal family which was mostly autonomous (no buying and selling of commodity) in the early middle age.

[Anonymous No.17854224]

>>17853466
>How should I spend excess wealth if I don't want to buy myself shit I don't need?
Well I'm the $3k guy and I just spent $300, but it was on something I need-- I broke my glasses recently and need a new pair. Granted I could have gotten them cheaper if not free but I got better lenses (flatter for better optics plus anti-scratch coating and warranty, that anti-scratch part is definitely going to help). I also got prescription sunglasses which I didn't strictly need but they'll be useful. I had planned to get some uninsured dental work done but it turns out I don't need it, I'll be getting a new bed which I sorely need, and finishing a PC build, which again isn't necessary but will be quite useful.
>I feel like I should help people out but I don't have any friends...
Go make some, participate in hobbies. Friends are good for your mental health anyway, and if you lose that money you'll be glad to have them to help out. Just wait until you've known them at least a few weeks before you offer to help them out monetarily.
Try traveling, both to make friends and spend money, I feel like seeing more of the world is good for your perspective. I traveled (albeit not too far) before covid and it really enriched my life. If you're into any kind of nerd shit (comics, anime, tabletop gaming, steampunk) go to conventions for them. If you're religious go on a retreat or pilgrimage. Hell, if you're a furry go to a furry con.
You could also help your family, or give it to a good cause-- there are many shady charities out there but a local food bank is a pretty safe bet, or a blood bank for that matter.

[Anonymous No.17854230]

>>17853672
I fail to see what Weird Al has to do with consumerism

[Anonymous No.17854263]

>>17854063
Then produce your own shit, try and cover your own consumption so you dont have to buy so much all the time.

[Anonymous No.17854656]

>>17849466
the post that saved /lit/

[Anonymous No.17854726]

>>17850364
>You'll eat much less meat for the good of our environment and your health
They'll make us eat insects won't they?

[Anonymous No.17854738]

>>17850364
1. dont rent stuff
2. who cares
3. who cares
4. no
5. dont live near borders/on eroding coastline
6. who cares
7. this won't happen
8. neoliberalism will prevail
there, I just saved the next 10 years of your life

[Anonymous No.17854900]

>>17854230

[Anonymous No.17855253]

>>17849466
All these city kids not understanding the joy of a garden. Tsk.

[Anonymous No.17855266]

Just stop giving a shit.

[Anonymous No.17855273]

>>17849466
lmao

[Anonymous No.17855484]

Nick Land and accelerationist philosophy holds this view. Capitalism is a massive, non-anthropocentric, self-critiquing, self-optimizing artificial intelligence. It commodifies and consumes all attempts to take it down. The only way forward is through. Whether or not this means the singularity or just a mere depletion of fossil fuels, we don't know.

Regardless, we can't as individuals really speed anything up. Acceleration just happens, and we're along for the ride until it burns itself out. Be sure to have fun and build a fulfilling life, and don't bum yourself out about the eschaton, since you can't do anything about it anyway.

[Anonymous No.17855514]

>>17849426
>Are there philosophers that have come to the same conclusion?
Nick Land

[Anonymous No.17855769]

>>17849426
Read anything from Baudrillard - The consumer society. Mark Fisher's Capitalist Realism is memed on here but it hits all the points you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.17855825]

>>17849476
>>17851131
>>17853070
>>17850818
Commit suicide

[Anonymous No.17855929]

>>17849426
Yeah, we’re fucked. The good timeline is currently in the midst of its mass movement involving the boycotting of useless and vain products, the widespread adoption of open source software, protests against zoning laws and urban planning that propagate suburbs rather than dense, self sufficient, communities, and a rediscovery of farming/composting/self-sufficiency in general. We are in the bad timeline.

[Anonymous No.17856167]

>>17854158
>What is barter?

[Anonymous No.17856174]

>>17854104
No, my response means that all this is bullshit without arguments and word games

[Anonymous No.17856306]

hello OP

[Anonymous No.17856855]

>>17849426
bump

[Anonymous No.17857329]

>>17849426
Can't a man abstine from consuming excessively, meaning beyond his natural needs of subsistence?
for example I've not bought clothes for years. I only replace what gets worn "fast" and cant be mended (running shorts etc).

[Anonymous No.17857407]

>>17856167
There was no barter inside the Gens. Production was produced collectively and shared collectively. There was barter BETWEEN different GENS, but not INSIDE a particular GENS.
Same for the early middle age patriarchal family. This structure was almost autonomous, in food, clothing, roof. It only traded some rare items it couldn't built itself. But could live mostly without any trade.
So inside those structures, there wasn't any commodity. Production was organized by gender, and age. E.G, males were to cut wood, females cook and repair clothes. Teenager to take care of the chickens, etc... No wages, no trade, no money.

[Anonymous No.17857433]

Where are all the anons itt finding time to hug trees and sniff flowers and shit? Don't you have jobs and friends and family or something?

[Anonymous No.17857555]

what's actually wrong with it though?

[Anonymous No.17857579]

>>17857433
I am a researcher working lots of hours in a cushy chair with a pet plant. I also have a garden back home.

[Anonymous No.17857795]

>>17857407
>Production was produced collectively and shared collectively.
Absolute bullshit, this isn't just revisionism, like all marxist thought it's pure historical fiction

[Anonymous No.17857923]

>>17853070
slit your throat city rat

[Anonymous No.17857939]

>>17857795
No matter how deep, how enormous your lack of knowledge on primitive economics is, facts are facts.
ESSAY ON THE GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS OF TRIBAL ECONOMY IN INDIA:
In the absence of sufficient technological aids and scientific knowledge regarding agricultural and other production, the tribals generally produce only to consume. Hardly anything is left for exchange or hoarding. In the materials of consumption, food and clothing are generally given first preference, and then there is the place for the home.

4. Absence of currency

The tribal people do not use currency in deciding the price of commodities and in exchange. There are no banks of economic exchanges in their societies. They hardly carry out any exchange of economic goods with outside groups.

5. Absence of regular markets

There are no regular markets found in tribal societies and, therefore, there is no competition, monopoly, business or trade in their economic organization.

6. Absence of profiteering

There is absence of profiteering in tribal economic organization due to two important causes. Firstly, the absence of currency to fix the price of commodities and secondly the connection of unity sentiments with economic activities.

https://www.preservearticles.com/social-science/essay-on-the-general-characteristics-of-tribal-economy-in-india/13475

I am tired of arguing with people like you who have 0 knowledge in anthropology.

[Anonymous No.17857954]

>>17849426
Politics isn't real bro you should only care about it if it helps you make money (i.e. vote for the guy who's gonna make you richer (which is what everyone does (at least subconsciously)))

[Anonymous No.17857964]

(...)
What follows in the article is interesting article is interesting as well:

7. Community basis of economic activities

Thus the chief aim of economic activities in a tribal society is to fulfil the community duties. The organization of most of the economic activities is cooperative and communal.

8. Absence of specialists

There are no specialists in different branches of economic organization in tribal societies, with the result that there is no division of labour and specialization.

9. Concept of property

Some conception of personal property is found in almost every tribal society. A person is allowed a right over the things produced by him or his family. There is, however, group ownership over the ponds, the land and the forests, etc.

Source: https://www.preservearticles.com/social-science/essay-on-the-general-characteristics-of-tribal-economy-in-india/13475

[Anonymous No.17857995]

Get a cat. Get several if you can. Animals remind us of the sacred monke in us

[Anonymous No.17858079]

>>17849466
>>17849426
>>17851194
>>17851379
>>17851943
>>17852759
>>17852797
>>17853020
>>17852976
>>17853475
>>17853672
>>17855266
>>17856306
>>17857795
>>17857995
Based
>>17852476
>>17854656
>>17853286
>>17853094
>>17853344
Cringe

>>17857433
Live in a Rural or at least Semi-Rural area and start investing in a garden or dip your toes in raising animals by raising Chickens first.

[Anonymous No.17858809]

>>17849899
Wheeew. Hot take, and based

[Anonymous No.17858880]

>>17849447
Everyone on this board would be sent to the gas chamber immediately.

[Anonymous No.17859097]

>>17849447
>The only way to escape from the imperfections of humanity, is to change humanity into something better.
ok hedonist

[Anonymous No.17859318]

>>17853272
I did that. That is no solution, I'd rather push the bolder

[Anonymous No.17860325]

Read debord and then zizek
Stay away from accelerationist and nihilist shit

[Anonymous No.17860456]

>>17860325
Lol. I’m so sure there’s gonna be a revolution bro. Time to stop larping buddy. Doomerism is completely correct. We’re either gonna see civilizational collapse or a transhumanist dystopia after all the proles are genocided snd replaced by robots.

[Anonymous No.17860475]

>>17853094
Based. I don’t even get why stormfags care so much about their race. Whites are the most pozzed one ever.

[Anonymous No.17860720]

>>17860475
Go back to where you came from

[Anonymous No.17860735]

>>17849426
Read Baudrillard asap. It's similar to this.

[Anonymous No.17860748]

>>17860735
I hate Baudrilliard.
>duuurrrrrr did you know that people are stupid and interested in myths and legends more than the real world this must be a totally modern phenomenon and not something that's been going on for millions of years

[Anonymous No.17860759]

>>17860720
Not an argument stormfag

[Anonymous No.17860764]

>>17860759
>assuming you have to be a stormfag to care about race
okay retard

[Anonymous No.17860778]

>>17860764
Culture has been homogenized by globohomo to the point where there’s hardly a difference between races past biology. You’re stuck in the 20th century. And yes whites are the most pozzed. Still no argument against that fact. Even if you get the ethnostate it’ll still be a progressive hell.

[Anonymous No.17860784]

>>17860748
You caricaturized it. Now refute it.

[Anonymous No.17860791]

>>17860778
>Culture has been homogenized by globohomo to the point where there’s hardly a difference between races past biology.
Maybe in Burgerland

[Anonymous No.17860792]

Why do people assume the default position is to be against consumerism? I enjoy consumerism because the atomization prevents all you terrible fucking people from ever having any power because you would do vicious things with it.

[Anonymous No.17860799]

>>17849426
this is not literature

[Anonymous No.17860802]

>>17860792
t. ((()))

[Anonymous No.17860810]

>>17860792
seems based. all we need is UBI and the process will be complete.

[Anonymous No.17860815]

>>17860802
I don't care what you think I'm fag, I'm just glad you'll never have any political power. I'm straight up enjoying the hedonism of this wonderful age that has freed itself from your cancerous ideologies

[Anonymous No.17860819]

>>17860778
I'm fully aware of the problem of techno-capital. However, regardless of the circumstances, we're always implicitly ethnocentric. Even if I have little in common with the average cosmopolitan white person, they're my tribe. Moreover, culture (outside of techno-capital) is downstream from race. I genuinely believe that even if on an individual level people of a certain race exhibit unique individual characteristics, upon joining the larger collective certain behavioral phenomena are made manifest. Whites have their own group qualities, as do blacks, Jews, and Asians.

[Anonymous No.17860824]

>>17860456
neither of the people i mentioned are revolutionaries you mong they appeal to the exact points in op
>Doomerism is completely correct
Sure and you can try to predict shit all you want but then we might as well kill ourselves right? Fuck off landfag

[Anonymous No.17860826]

>>17860792
faggot

[Anonymous No.17860830]

>>17860815
>I'm straight up enjoying the hedonism
Halt! Let me stop your short-lived delusion abruptly
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill

[Anonymous No.17860834]

>>17860815
>I don't care what you think I'm fag
newfag maybe? that symbol has nothing to do with fags

[Anonymous No.17860852]

>>17860784
People have been indulging in "hyperreality" since time immemorial. Religion is the most obvious example but even culture and news are all forms of hyperreality. It's not a modernist thing.

[Anonymous No.17861013]

>>17860810
All hail to commodity. We will fuck the world for an iphone 27. Doesn't matter if there is no more animals left. I want this iphone 27. No matter what.

[Anonymous No.17861052]

>>17861013
cringe and sad

[Anonymous No.17861074]

>>17860791
>He says in English

[Anonymous No.17861083]

>>17860815
Good b8 lol

[Anonymous No.17861113]

>>17860792
>vicious things
Like what? Promoting revitalization, pride, culture, discipline and the destruction of soul-sucking systems that reduce the individual to the sum of his material achievements? Stop being such a little bitch.

[Anonymous No.17861522]

>>17849426
A thread about the art of writing died for your boring dissertation on some vague term no one cares about.
Debating what consumerism is pedantic to anyone who isnt a pilosophy major.
>>>/his/

[Anonymous No.17861551]

>>17861522
>Debating about what consumerism is a pedantic
Debating about consumerism is pedantic*

I dont know why they dont just make a /phi/ board for you pesuds to fuck off to.

[Anonymous No.17861864]

>>17860819
>Even if I have little in common with the average cosmopolitan white person, they're my tribe.
Fuck off Alabama fag, we don't want you.
>I genuinely believe that even if on an individual level people of a certain race exhibit unique individual characteristics, upon joining the larger collective certain behavioral phenomena are made manifest.
That's a lot of words to say "niggers really do be violent doe, I swear". Fuck off with your racial essentialism. The human race is incredibly genetically homogeneous, there's well under 1% genetic difference between any two people while in many other species it can be 5% or more.

[Anonymous No.17861873]

>>17861864
t. Vaush viewer

also, funny how you leftists always resort to alabama in the topic of incest, as it would be FAR more accurate to instead use any major arab country.

[Anonymous No.17861905]

only spiritualism can escape consumerism

[Anonymous No.17861910]

>>17849426
>subject line ends in a preposition
>hear me out on this one
No, I don’t think I will

[Anonymous No.17862155]

>>17851943
At first you sounded based, but now it seems like you own too many unnecessary electronic trash/toys

[Anonymous No.17862170]

>>17852616
A world before radio to blast CONSUME PRODUCT all over the country 24/7

[Anonymous No.17863296]

Why is consumerism bad?

[Anonymous No.17863313]

>>17858880
...And that’s a good thing

[Anonymous No.17863486]

>>17863296

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.17863502]

>>17863296
How long have you had a full time job?

[Anonymous No.17863527]

>>17863502
Never have aha
>>17863486
I thought /lit/ would be above this form of shitposting.
There was no rhetorical, by the way. I'm asking for an argument to be made against consumerism.

[Anonymous No.17863596]

Bump

[Anonymous No.17863616]

>>17849426
>Hear me out
Okay I'll try...
>Every attempt to escape from consumerism is a way back to it
You are mistaking the fact that people can manipulate and market to some people as meaning the manipulate and market to everyone and that people never catch on and get feed up with that shit, which is easily disproven just from stupid memes like the "silence, brand" thing.
>Shock value in gore or extreme porn
Gore will never not be shocking? People don't get "used to" seeing death. Watch some of those real ER shows sometimes or listen to someone who came back from war. Also, like porn, this isn't new you prudish little pussbag; hundreds of years ago, people used to watch people get hung publicly. There were also the Romans, of course too. Creepy, disturbing, and annoying when it gets posted, but nothing special.
And of course no one wants to see scat, but being shown it every few days isn't going to make someone break down and cry to a therapist about it the fuck
>black void of numbness overstimulation.
Yeah probably. We definitely have lowered attention spans So I think that's about 1/4 things you said that are valid now.
>Everything that once could be pure, can no longer be.
That doesn't mean anything on its own. You need justify whatever you mean by pure.

>Everything is a facade and every form of rebellion is actually a beneficial mutation to this soulless society
...Personally, I think it appears this way because you were raised on fucking school fundraiser programs and other bullshit where adults took advantage of kids and it ingrained this association, although not entirely inaccurate, into your brain. But anyway, what rebellion is so necessary? You're not looking at the full picture. You assume we need some big rebellion and that nothing else changes society, that society doesn't change slowly, and all this other shit that just makes me think you need to watch Mr. Robot and realize that if you let go of the idea of desiring absolute control, you will stop this cancerous thought process as well.
>Even this post is a mutation of consumerism, mutating for a group that has become skeptical of consumeristic society. This critique will be used against me.
I do not know what you mean by this. You were talking about branding and selling things to people. Now you're talking about your post being used against you and that this is consumerism? What?...
So everyone who disagrees with you is a consumerist? You fucked up your whole post with this alone.


Anyway, I never really understood fully what people mean when they say "consumerist". I think I've figured out some definition of it before, but I keep slipping off it especially when people post the way OP posts about it.
Can someone give me a proper definition of consumerism? Can OP define what he means by consumerism, cuz I don't know what he's talking about frankly and there is too many replies in this thread to backtrack.

[Anonymous No.17863628]

>>17861873
>leftist
I mean if leftism is just a difference between being overtly racist and not being overtly racist, guess which one I take?
They say you're an alabamafag only because they're calling it as they see it.

[Anonymous No.17863641]

>>17863628
>leftism is just a difference between being overtly racist and not being overtly racist,
You do know that Marx and Engels were racists, right? They used the word "nigger" ironically. They were the first gamers. Che Guevara also hated blacks. Anyways seethe, sneed, and dilate regardless of what specific variation of neoliberal ideology you are.

[Anonymous No.17863646]

>>17850364
Redirect the energies of American mass shooters towards the guy behind this, Soros, and other Globalist psychofucks.

[Anonymous No.17863654]

>>17863527
Anyone who asks such a question is fucking retarded. I'm dead serious. Epicureanism, Hedonism, Egoism, and Materialism are all fruitless concepts. Anyone who has taken them seriously within the past 200 years is an utter midwit. The person who asked why consumerism is bad lacks any depth of thought. I don't understand why they even use this board. TikTok is more their style.

[Anonymous No.17863656]

>>17854726
/pol/ is always right, this is not a joke. If you are smart enough to see through the shitstorm that is /pol/ you will find the truth. Reject it all you want, OD on bluepills, doesn't matter. We are still heading towards the dystopian hellscape at the root of all rage on /pol/.

[Anonymous No.17863659]

>>17863656
this

[Anonymous No.17863667]

>>17860815
You literally have no spirit. You are basically an automaton in human form. I can't even hate you you're so empty.

[Anonymous No.17863672]

>>17863667
>>17860815
I take this back because I just realized I got trolled.

Noice, 8.5/10 bait, you got me

[Anonymous No.17863675]

>>17863654
Damn man that was a compelling argument, "if you don't agree with me you're retarded"
I'm gonna be honest, I don't even fucking read. I came here cause I'm interested in linguistics but I stayed cause it seems like a fun board. I have no philosophy, I really don't give a shit.
I'm fine with being a retard, but at least explain it to the retard so I can understand why you think I'm retarded.

[Anonymous No.17863684]

>>17863628

[Anonymous No.17863689]

>>17863675
Retards should be publicly beaten to death with no explanation given, in a healthy world. In this world they are diversity hires, and celebrated for being retarded and brown

[Anonymous No.17863690]

>>17863654
>Anyone who asks such a question is fucking retarded. I'm dead serious.
Is "dead serious" suddenly the new "LICHERALLY" are you actually this dumb?

The idea that you are now arguing over the very idea of someone ASKING A VALID QUESTION during a PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION is just so unbelievably retarded I don't even know where to begin.

You are being the very picture of a stuck-up intellectual and I don't know what you think it looks like, but to every normal person the shit you are spewing now is just cringy and annoying and making me feel like you just want to fight someone for no reason.

[Anonymous No.17863692]

>>17863684
kek, "ironically", sure they did

[Anonymous No.17863693]

>>17863689
I thought /lit/ was above this form of shitposting

[Anonymous No.17863700]

>>17863693
I disagree. Although that anon's post is inappropriately offensive (bannable) there is a satirical kernel of truth to it.

[Anonymous No.17863707]

>>17863675
>>17863690
Alright fine. Inherent within the logic of consumerism is the idea that the purchase of material goods somehow translates to happiness and satisfaction by virtue of the neurochemicals activated upon doing so (dopamine and seritonin). However, that is a very reductionistic outlook insofar as it assumes that happiness is nothing but the corresponding brain states that occur during such moments (though scientifically and philosophically speaking, that is but a correlation). Why is it that many depressed and anxious people symptoms persist after psychopharmacological treatment if after all it all boils down to chemicals? It's because the mistake being made is that experience is irreducable and happiness/satisfaction is more than just immediate pleasure. Rich people, by virtue of their wealth, are often unhappy in spite of their luxuries. This actually goes to the work of Schopenhauer and Buddhist/Hindu beliefs insofar as the recognition of desire as contributing to suffering is concerned. Buying a material product will only satisfy you for a brief amount of time, but eventually you will desire after more (if not, boredome ensues). The consumerist philosophy is harmful in that regard as it makes us into compulsive creatures of habit with little to no control over higher pleasures. Historically speaking, we have found greater contentment in arts, philosophy, religion, community, and family. Those things require some painful/strugglesome elements like duty, effort, persistance, etc but they are higher goals. Consumerist behaviours leaves the individual empty of higher meaning.

[Anonymous No.17863709]

>>17863707
*it's because the mistake being made is the ignorance over the fact that experience is irreducable

[Anonymous No.17863716]

>>17863684
But the original post was overtly an argument that different human races cannot get along. Like I wasn't even trying to say I am leftist? I don't even know for sure what right and left mean cuz I don't fucking follow politics frankly, but when you actually pose that argument about races needing to be segregated into different communities, like...

I also don't know why you're just assume I worship Marx. I grew up liberal and that's not a thing for the vast majority of sane liberals. None of us like Marx or Hitler, so I don't know what the fuck you're on about that Marx said nigger a few times? Which is like the weakest argument you can make when, again, the content of the originating post was more racist than just saying a fucking word.
Of course that's just to emphasize how retarded your response is; I know Marx and Engels were racist. So what?
That doesn't say anything about any of the... god, why am I even still looking at this thread?

[Anonymous No.17863725]

>>17863628

[Anonymous No.17863731]

>>17863707
There you go, anon, an answer. And after reading your post I realize that I have agreed all along.

[Anonymous No.17863751]

>>17863700
>Although that anon's post is inappropriately offensive
Well that's a stupid metric to go by
>there is a satirical kernel of truth to it.
Why did you write that as if critiquing a piece of literature and not a "white man oppressed" joke?
Go to /tv/ or /r9k/ if you're looking for more literature in the same vein as that anon's post.

[Anonymous No.17863754]

>>17863675
>I'm gonna be honest, I don't even fucking read
This is like coming in on the fourth season of [TV adaptation] and asking everyone to catch you up on what's happened (a completely unreasonable request just to begin with) so you can participate in their conversation. Nowadays I'm just so tired of saying the exact same thing to a different person because of the constant in-flow-out-flow of the population, because it keeps conversation forever at the entry level of the philosophical problem rather than allowing it to gain momentum, pick up its pace, begin developing, and really reach something or go somewhere. At a point, and especially as anything philosophically is concerned, the onus is on the new bee to inform themselves up to the level of conversation with which they desire to participate, the exact same as anyone else who got to the party late but doesn't wish to allow that keeping them from enjoying the festivities.

I'm sure someone will come along and explain the basics to you; there's usually always someone who isn't as old and as tired, as sapped from going through the repeat motions, to go out of their way and spoonfeed someone else's baby, but come on dude. You're flagrantly flouting the conventions of hobby and it's not hard to figure out why this would annoy people. Ask for a list of books, go read a blog, even browsing a Wikipedia article if all things to give you the basics would be better than this, because no one wants to help a man who doesn't help himself. The fruit of that labor has no guarantees, whereas if the personal at least demonstrates themself as interested even at the entry level to find certain things out for themselves, then begins asking questions, at least its a hint the person is actually following some kind of a calling to their spirit, that maybe the effort won't be wasted.

Honestly I do wish you luck but it really feels like such a gargantuan topic that one doesn't even know where to begin unraveling the knot. And at the end of the day maybe it just comes down to personal value assignments. I have learned of myself that material novelties do not make me happy, they only make other people undeservingly richer, they clutter my home, they turn into garbage bag fodder two years later when the novelty has worn off, and for what? That my chequing balance is forever lowered, that my privations are forever reduced, for what amounted to a week-long impression of enjoyment, but no true enjoyment. Ultimately I as a person seek peace of mind, and such a gift is not to be found in the material empire, of comparing my collection of materials to your collection of materials, and seeing who has more, and therefore who is the "better" person according to the weight of the scales. I sooner need to nurture my spirit and mental well-being against assaults like these making me feel like I'm worthless because I don't stand up to a measuring stick that it took me years to realize I didn't actually believe in. Self-assess.

[Anonymous No.17863764]

>>17863716
Oh I thought I was arguing over consumerism. Before I say anything I have to inform you that you type like a woman. Given your political leanings, you're probably an effeminate male. Regarding race, I am a biological realist. The way in which leftists treat race is wholly unscientific. It's as though the laws of evolution are exempt in our species. There are differences between the races. Whites for instance have higher bone density, Asians a high average iq (with less variation than whites), blacks their good running and crime abilities, and Jews their inherent ethnocentrism (read Culture of Critique). These are (divergent evolutionary) traits evolved as a consequence of the environment. I would say that racial traits extend to social, personality, and cultural differences as well. Whites are historically individualistic, Asians collectivistic. Those too are responses to environmental conditions. Leftists hate the idea that people are born unequal as they have a deep-seated insecurity that makes them project their fixation of egalitarianism outwardly. The fact is that humans aren't born as blank slates. Intelligence is actually about 70% hereditary in fact, personality traits more so. Now that you understand where I'm coming from, know that I'm not idealistic about ethnostates. Whites aren't just that ethnocentric compared to other races. I believe that techno-capital and its deterritorializing commodifying tendencies will continue to accelerate technique until either global collapse or a nightmarish meaningless transhumanist dystopia. This is an issue for all races, but regarding my own I fear that the history of my people is quickly dying out.

[Anonymous No.17863776]

Why does a literature board have so much static hatred pent up inside it?

and why does it seem to always end up being about nationalist fucks vs socialist fucks?

Can't we just drink tea? Here; make fun of me for posting a peaceful weeb image instead.

[Anonymous No.17863822]

>>17863776
Imagine watching anime

[Anonymous No.17863851]

>>17863822
I honestly can't understand how a male would do that who wasn't gay or autistic or both. Anime is one of those cultural things I just can't understand, it's just so retarded

[Anonymous No.17863877]

>>17863851
I mean I watched every episode of DragonBall when it was new on TV and I was a retarded 4th-grader like all of my friends. And I still have a soft spot for it, sentimentally. Yet even still I can go back and pretend I'm watching a scene of Goku powering up as if it were in a complete vacuum of circumstance and context, and it's just absurd that to think that we would WAIT, with bated breath, to sit down and watch that horseshit with un-deflatable excitement.

I think it's just arrested development tbqhwyf.

[Anonymous No.17863910]

>>17863616
filtered

[Anonymous No.17863919]

OP here. I am going to write an essay on this subject in the next issue of lamp by lit, so I can state more clearly what I mean by consumerism an it's unescapability

[Anonymous No.17863923]

>>17853362
Any solution that starts with "the State should" and presupposes that a bunch of bureaucrats can and will take more prudent decisions than the average citizen NPC is dumb.
Your solution would work though, but eventually the fact alone that 'the State' would have a definite say over the conduct of corporations and consumers would lead to much worse problems than consumerism

[Anonymous No.17863949]

>>17863851
>watch Baki
>decide to finally get off my ass and be /fitlit/
>ff couple months and can see abs, veins popping, chest striations and everything grew/have more strength
>watch Free!
>decide to finally learn how to swim
>do it everyday by myself at 6:30am
>ff couple of weeks I can swim to the end and back of olympic pool freestyle
>watch Kengan Ashura
>start boxing
>watch Kuroko no Basket
>get back into basketball
>watch Shokugeki no Souma
>now I make bread from scratch
Anime unironically made my life better.

[Anonymous No.17863959]

>>17863949
Forgot
>watch Yuru Camp
>now I'm more /out/ than /g/ and /v/

[Anonymous No.17863968]

>>17854726
The "eat the bugs" and "live in the pod" memes are really accurate. I believe the latter will eventually happen for the lower-middle class as metropolitan areas crowd more and more, and expanding the city limits would be rendered ineffective or couldn't be done fast enough.
Then it'll happen for the entirety of middle and upper-middle class since the crowding will be so immense that a distinction between 'good neighborhood' and 'bad neighborhood' will be virtually pointless and everyone would have to comfort to the new circumstances

[Anonymous No.17863980]

>>17850571
How the fuck is there just a single post mentioning Adorno? Has anyone of you motherfuckers read a single book about the topic or do you just watch random YouTube videos and shit your uninformed opinion out into the wild?

[Anonymous No.17863994]

Just stop consuming (that includes shitposting)

[Anonymous No.17864033]

You cannot change society but you can escape it if you truly want to.
Just go full forest anon if the consumerist society bothers you so much. If you are not willing to do so then shut the fuck up and get back to your lane, wagie.

[Anonymous No.17864137]

>>17861905
Yes, but actually no.

[Anonymous No.17864561]

>>17863968

Just like most Latin American cities.

T. Spic

[Anonymous No.17865525]

>>17864561
Don't refer to yourself with demeaning language. It's bad for you.

[Anonymous No.17865538]

>>17864033
Nah, fuck off. Don't tell people what they can or can't talk about.

[Anonymous No.17865547]

>>17849476
based
>>17849466
cringe

[Anonymous No.17866191]

bump

[Anonymous No.17866904]

>>17861873
I didn't say anything about incest, Alabama just sucks. Don't go telling me that's because of the black people either, there are tons of shitty white people there too. The point remains white people in the actual civilized world want nothing to do with you, and you want nothing to do with us, so don't act like we're the same.
I mean fuck, if you really want to get into who's what, I'm more Polish than anything. Are you my kurwa brethren? No? Then piss off.

[Anonymous No.17866979]

>>17866904
kek I'm actually half Polish brother

[Anonymous No.17867062]

>>17857433
if you don't live in the city it's just a matter of carving an hour or two out of your day a couple times a week. chances are you blow that on 4chan anyway. "i don't have time" is almost always a cope. i work a fulltime wagiecagie and still have time for cooking my own food, hiking, music, reading, mainting important relationships and exercise. throw away your tv, put your phone in a drawer and limit your internet.

[Anonymous No.17867103]

>>17860819
>I'm fully aware of the problem of techno-capital. However, regardless of the circumstances, we're always implicitly ethnocentric. Even if I have little in common with the average cosmopolitan white person, they're my tribe. Moreover, culture (outside of techno-capital) is downstream from race. I genuinely believe that even if on an individual level people of a certain race exhibit unique individual characteristics, upon joining the larger collective certain behavioral phenomena are made manifest. Whites have their own group qualities, as do blacks, Jews, and Asians.
why did this get deleted

[Anonymous No.17867118]

>>17867103
I wrote it and if I had to guess it would be because a seething janny saw it.

If you're reading this janny, note that you'll never be a woman. Seethe, sneed, and dilate.

[Anonymous No.17867133]

>>17863628
>>17861864
>>17863716
>>17866904
this is some high grade tourism. go to facebook

>>17867118
i would have understood if it was overtly racist trolling but all you said was "culture is downstream from race". how is that edgy enough to be deleted? the state of this board is basically in the gutter.

[Anonymous No.17867168]

>>17849426
Me. Read my upcoming philosophy book, tbqh.

[Anonymous No.17867247]

>>17867133
>the state of this board
Other boards have been getting worse too. It's because most jannies are sjw which get easily offended, I guess. No wonder a lot of people moved to 8 chan.

[Anonymous No.17867295]

>>17867168
What is it

[Anonymous No.17868050]

>>17849426
Your post gave me this idea: Isn't it only artificial things than can be sold back to us? Don't we still think that things of nature will retain their authenticity for humans? Wether these things thought of as nature (or natural, in its deepest meaning, consisting also of immaterial things like feelings or thinking) can never be truly marketed back to us convincingly?

What we are doing is basically choosing between the reality of Matrix, or another reality of some perfect space-communism heaven.

I have become to slowly believe everything meaningful in this life consists of dualities. Like dystopia or utopia. Me (a thinking beign) and you (a thinking beign that I think is a thinking being). Creative (useful, befeficial) or Destructive (useless, harmful). You know?

[Anonymous No.17868664]

>>17868050
Most commodities are useless anyway. Without these useless commodities, there would be no shortage of personnel in hospitals, more quantity of truly useful items, and globally less need to work. Because useless commodities contain a high amount of work, which could be redirected toward more essential fields, or just free people from extra work.
But most people won't understand our posts anyways so...

[Anonymous No.17868677]

>>17868050
>Destructive (useless, harmful)
Commodity is undoubtedly destructive. Mostly for the environment, but also to humans.

[Anonymous No.17869741]

>>17849466
if you get it, you get it. if you don't get it, you will never make it. your soul has already been sterilized

[Anonymous No.17871203]

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