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Dawkins awakened me from intellectual slumber. We need a rational yet fervent atheism to combat the ills of the modern world. Discuss.

>> No.17809087

>>17809051
Nice to hear anon, but please tell me you have moved on from Dawkins, and who you're reading now.

>> No.17809094

And how will you combat it?

>> No.17809106

>>17809094
With science.

>> No.17809116

>>17809051
atheism needs to be cool amongst the people who would be astrologists. The libertarian pseuds fucking ruined it. so idk anymore

>> No.17809134
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17809134

>>17809051
He has been refuted so many times that it's not even funny anymore. pic related + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx9gLvLYF5s + https://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2011/12/dawkins-vs-dawkins.html

>/basedatheistshit/
>based
>atheism
cringe

>> No.17809148

>>17809087
Reading Pinker right now

>> No.17809153

>>17809106
لآثسف خب معؤن ثا

>> No.17809155

>>17809134
Both of those have been debunked
And yes atheism is based as fuck

>> No.17809163

>>17809051

His influence was bad, not because of atheism or because of his atheism, but because he lowered the defenses of the west with regards to Islam, by spreading the idea that all religions are essentially the same.

>> No.17809189

>>17809134
The Last Superstition is weak as fuck. He devotes two chapters to "entirely refuting" nominalism and conceptualism, without even treating different modes of them (like Kantianism, which doesn't suffer from most of the problems he "refutes"). Literally the weakest "philosophy" book I've ever read.

>> No.17809222

>>17809051
>atheism
cringe, this isn't the 2000s anymore we've moved on.

>>17809134
>theology
cringe, this isn't the 1000s anymore we've moved on.

>> No.17809241

>>17809155
>Both of those have been debunked
no

>>17809189
>The Last Superstition is weak as fuck. He devotes two chapters to "entirely refuting" nominalism and conceptualism, without even treating different modes of them (like Kantianism, which doesn't suffer from most of the problems he "refutes"). Literally the weakest "philosophy" book I've ever read.

>this mainstream book doesn't talk about my variant of conceptualism, so it sucks!

cope harder faggot, Dawkins doesn't even master the basic theistic arguments. If you want to see Feser's more in-depth answers, go read his academic works.

>> No.17809254

>>17809241
Not talking about Dawkins. I'm talking about Feser being a hack and ignorant about real philosophy, philosophy that goes far beyond both him and Dawkins.

>> No.17809256

>>17809134
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx9gLvLYF5s
based

>> No.17809262

>>17809051
New atheism didn’t go far enough imo. We should’ve euthanized religionfags and moved onto techno utopia.

>> No.17809265

>>17809254
>I'm talking about Feser being a hack and ignorant about real philosophy, philosophy that goes far beyond both him and Dawkins.
based on his most mainstream book. you are a retard. again:

>If you want to see Feser's more in-depth answers, go read his academic works.

like aristotle's revenge, or scholastic metaphysics. go read it, faggot.

>> No.17809272

>>17809265
I have, they are all garbage and don't even grapple with Kant's critiques.

>> No.17809291

>>17809272
>I have
liar. Scholastic metaphysics talks about it. you would know if you had read it.

>and don't even grapple with Kant's critiques.
Kant has long been refuted by the neo-Tomists. It is no longer a topic of discussion. Get your fingers out of your ass and do your research. It is you who is not up to date.

>> No.17809302

>>17809051
>>17809262

the problem of New Atheism was focusing on God and if he exists or not (a metaphysical idea), instead of focusing on religion, something that really exists, and why it exists, from the perspective of evolutionary psychology.

There are godless religions, god isn't necessary for religion-like behaviour.
Perhaps humans are hardwired for religious behaviour, and without god, you will simply make people turn some ideology into a religion, from veganism and human rights to utopian ideologies like marxism or anarchocapitalism or transhumanism.
People will get their religion fix somehow. And perhaps it will be with worse things than christianity. Christianity at least has proven it can provide stability to society for centuries, it would be a solid system for an engineer. The new things people try searching for meaning in their life, we have no idea how good or bad or stable or unstable they are.

>> No.17809308

>>17809302
>the problem of New Atheism was focusing on God and if he exists or not (a metaphysical idea), instead of focusing on religion, something that really exists, and why it exists, from the perspective of evolutionary psychology.
go see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx9gLvLYF5s

>> No.17809334

>>17809272
Wtf bro
I google
feser kant site:edwardfeser.blogspot.com
And i find 30+ articles where feser talks about kantianism

>> No.17809338

>>17809148
Okay, have fun :)

>> No.17809343
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17809343

>A Defense of Classical Theology

>> No.17809354

>>17809343
Your arguments convinced me, fedora reddit boy

>> No.17809367

>>17809354
You’re a tradlarper. Now go outside.

>> No.17809373

>>17809272
I don't know about the feser dude but in french there is a book about the existence of god who have many chapters on kant's arguments and refute them
It's "dieu existe" by frederic guillaud

>> No.17809391

>>17809367
You're so cringe. Please, seek help.

>> No.17809397

>>17809291
>>17809334
>Scholastic metaphysics talks about it
He "talks" about it too in his other books, but he never actually comprehends Kant's work well enough to provide an intelligent response. Feser speaks about Dawkins not comprehending Aquinas, and then proceeds to do the exact same thing to Kant. It's embarrassing.
>>17809373
Haven't read him

>> No.17809414

>>17809051
I have never been religious, so I find kids’ obsession with atheism pretty weird and often cult-like.

>> No.17809606

>>17809308
based mathoma poster

>> No.17809777

>>17809414
New Atheism is just a religion of godlessness

>> No.17809859

>>17809308
This is so true, gaytheists could just focus all their "intellectual" efforts on falsifying religion, or more efficiently, just prove it incompatible with modern western secular values. Instead, they decide to engage with theological arguments on the existence of God that interest none outside of their circle of autists and that exceed their intellectual capacities. This proves again that there are no intelligent atheists.

>> No.17809867

>>17809859
ups mean to reply >>17809302

>> No.17809911

Juat a reminder that Atheists of many different kinds regularly believe in these unscientific religious ideas:

-the equality of men
-the noble savage
-stateless society at the end of history

>> No.17809964

>>17809911
Are you saying that the basis for all ethics lies in theology and thus its a religious idea or that ethics is inherently a principle of religion and thus should not be used?

>> No.17810010

>>17809911
and trannies.

>> No.17811388

>>17809106
Are you a scientist? As a molecular biotechnologist we look down on all of you "I fucking love science people" with disdain. You're annoying and useless.

>> No.17811846

>>17810010
Trannies are everywhere so yes, they do exist. Seethe harder transphobe

>> No.17812613

>>17809155
>(((Atheism))) is based as fuck
You clearly have no idea what based means retard

>> No.17812626

>>17812613
It means NEET faggots like you seething, so it by definition is

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>>17812626
>1
This means that NEET will be hit when it shakes, visually

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17813460

Dawkins will find God before he dies. Screencap this
>>17809262
Yeah how's secular and atheist society going for you? I used to think the same until I realised how we are completely plummeting as a species, especially in the West
>>17809414
It is almost a cult. In that it has zealots and cultists. But they are just edgy faggots and not to be taken seriously

>> No.17813474

is this an ironic thread mimicking all the retarded theist ones?

>> No.17813498
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17813498

Anyone ever read pic related?

>> No.17813518

>>17813460
Just for the absolute asshurt he causes in godtards, Dawkins is based

>> No.17814109
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Too many r*dditors and technophiles here.
When you want to escape the brainlet phase, just read this.

>> No.17814127

>>17809051
Am I on fucking reddit? These last few months, man, I swear.

>> No.17815305

Nope

>> No.17815368

>>17809116
Astrologists, hey?

>> No.17815487

>>17809116
>wanting to associate atheism with fucking astrology
I don't think that's a good look. What it really needs is to shift away from the "I'm an atheist, debate me" stereotype and into the realm of realising that if you're an atheist you've already won the argument. Atheists lowering themselves to having shitty one sided "debates" with creationists and flat earth retards has resulted in it's current tarnished image. Don't debate anyone. They already lost. Even the best arguments for theism are weak as dog piss. The debate doesn't need to happen and indeed can't happen unless the theist is bringing something, anything to the table. As it stands it's a case of zero evidence, butthurt emotional thinking versus the most reasonable stance on the existence of god. It's like getting in a boxing ring with a retarded cripple. You don't even have to be a pro boxer, you don't have to do classes on the weekends or have ever thrown a punch in your life. You just need arms and you're good to go. You'll beat the shit out of that spastic retard and it'll probably make you feel good, but does it make you look good? No. So just ignore the retard when he starts talking shit.

>> No.17815501

>>17809163
Really? He’s an islamophobe on twitter now

I don’t know the history that well because I wasn’t alive when he was relevant, but I do know he was affiliated with Christopher Hitchens, one of the few people on the left that shat on Islam at the time of 9/11

>> No.17815781

>>17815501
Ironically 9/11 wasnt motivated by Islam but by Zio-sanctions on Iraq

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>>17809051

Why was this guy so vocal in speaking out about a religion which literally bred people who would cut off his head for what he said yet he (Dawkins) is too scared to call out woke culture and the 1001+ genders parade for the bullshit it is? Is cancel culture that powerful?

>> No.17815926

>>17813518
this, so much this. well tipped sir

>> No.17815931

It's crazy how in 10 years, every single one of the famous New Atheists have revealed themselves to be cringeworthy liberals lol.

>> No.17815938

>>17809051
atheism is the very antithesis of based

>> No.17815948

>>17813460
His twitter is actually hilarious, what a boomer

>> No.17815951

>>17809051
New Atheism was a political artifact of the Bush administration. You got played, son.

>> No.17815957

>>17815926
Cry harder, I’m sure God will care

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17815982

How will continenta/lit/ ever recover?

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17816013

theorybros....