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[YungCervix !WC6Pkt53a. No.17731370]

What are the main points of contention between Communists and Anarchists besides the labor theory of value and the dictatorship of the proletariat? Serious here I’m confused lol

[YungCervix !WC6Pkt53a. No.17731418]

Cool thread OP, I’d reply but I’m not very knowledgeable. Maybe someone else can add!

[YungCervix !WC6Pkt53a. No.17731450]

Bump can I get some help pl0x

[YungCervix !WC6Pkt53a. No.17731507]

Help bitch

[YungCervix !WC6Pkt53a. No.17731549]

Unitonically help

[YungCervix !WC6Pkt53a. No.17731576]

Rocky iv

[YungCervix !WC6Pkt53a. No.17731597]

Help pls

[YungCervix !WC6Pkt53a. No.17731627]

Fine fuck you guys I’ll look on reddit

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17731631]

>>17731370
Authoritarian-socialists are statist dipshits
Libertarian-socialists are anarchists and they’ve made partial gains here and there for a genuine social revolution.

China isn’t going to bring about communism
Only the people can do this.
Aside from these books, read about the First International Workingmens Association where Marx and Bakunin square off and the whole mess starts

[YungCervix !WC6Pkt53a. No.17731661]

>>17731631
I’ll check out the workingmens association thanks butterfly

[smoker !HOZlQYR1MY No.17731664]

Communists think a centralized power of the government, by the people’s, will bring about the revolution.

Anarchists don’t like hierarchy, so the whole centralized power thing is a no go for them. They want direct democracy to be the method of choice to implement change.

[YungCervix !WC6Pkt53a. No.17731683]

>>17731664

Makes more sense for anarchists desu since absolute power corrupts absolutely

[YungCervix !WC6Pkt53a. No.17732068]

Bump

[Anonymous No.17732113]

>>17731370
Engels made his opinion clear:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

[Anonymous No.17732139]

>>17731631
>said the obvious Anarchist partisan

[Anonymous No.17732140]

>>17731370
Game theory utterly destroys all arguments in this book, you can't expect every man to behave rationally.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17732178]

>>17732140
Which is why various forms of anarchism are perfect and all that we can hope to rely on.

[Anonymous No.17732191]

>>17732178
Fake butterfag is even worse than actual butterfag

[Anonymous No.17732276]

>>17732140
Origin of Virtue use of game theory does a bad job of debunking Mutual Aid. I feel like Ridley's conclusions end up supporting Kropotkin. Even if some of his assumptions about a lack of competition within groups were wrong, private ownership by groups (communism primitive or otherwise) still ends up being a solution for the capitalist tragedy of the commons. Assuming non nomadic populations ofcourse.

[Anonymous No.17732348]

>>17731627
Unironically try asking this question on bunkerchan. You're gonna get replies from butthurt anarkiddies and cringe MLs, but there will also most likely be at least one or two good posters who will offer a good reply.

[Anonymous No.17732441]

>>17732178
but anarchism literally depends entirely on the power of friendship uniting everyone into mutual cooperation

[Anonymous No.17732491]

>>17731370
it is also how society is structured, marx argues it is around the mode of production, how society reproduces itself and the arising classes, he then follows that process into the developing of current capitalist and future communist society.

Anarchist see it as a struggle of hierachies and abolition of authority. The state is viewed as out of context as a suppressive device, marx argues it is a tool of class dictatorship that surpresses the oppressed class, and is not necessarily "bad" or "evil" and transforms with a socialist society and is abolished in a communist one, since classes stop to exist in later stages of socialism and then communism

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17732509]

>>17732441
And? You’re afraid of a better world? Star Trek makes you mad?