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>mfw germany has only had two great novelist
is it because of the lenguage?

>> No.17728699

>>17728692
Fontane, Mann, Grass, Sebald. That's four.

>> No.17728703

>>17728699
Who, who, who, and who?

>> No.17728743

Prose fiction is the most plebian form of literature. Germans are more patrician and excel at poetry and philosophy.

>> No.17728753

>>17728692
That's because of your own lack of culture. You're either an American or american-tier stupid.

>> No.17728775

>>17728753
Rent free

>> No.17728776

>>17728692
Goethe, Kafka, Hesse, etc.

>> No.17728779

>>17728776
>Kafka
Was a jew

>> No.17728783

Mann is the only one you need

>> No.17728799

germans are by far the GOAT composers of classical music, which is a much higher form of art

>> No.17728926

>>17728692
Goethe
Schlegel
Novalis
Jean Paul
Kleist
Tieck
Hoffmann
Mann
Mann
Mann
Döblin
Salomon
Jünger
Remarque
Böll
Grass
Weiss
Kluge
Sebald
Dath

>> No.17728951 [DELETED] 

>>17728926
No Arno Schmidt?

>> No.17728968

>>17728779
And Goethe was a christian, and Hesse was a Buddhist. What of it? They wrote in German

>>17728926
No Arno Schmidt?

>> No.17728972

>>17728703

>being this much of a litlet

>> No.17728976

>>17728951
oops, him too

>> No.17729888

>>17728968
Jew is an ethnicity and a religion

>> No.17730039

>>17728968
Jew is an ethnicity as much as a religion.

>> No.17730205

>>17728692
>>mfw germany has only had two great novelist
Marxs & Engels
>is it because of the lenguage?
It's because that's all you need

>> No.17730252

>>17728926
How many of them were real Germans

>> No.17730278

>>17728926
That's a lot of Menn

>> No.17732107

>>17728968
>Goethe was a christian

>> No.17732145

>>17732107
A Protestant. Are you saying he was atheist?

>> No.17732219

>>17728968
I posted four threads on him a while ago. No one reads him apparently, and he's quite unknown by people in both German academia and Germany outside of the Hamburg area; so no one outside of Germany knows him.
Schwarze Spiegel is really nice. Pocachontas und die Umsiedler is also great. Very homely feeling as for any German. Zettels Traum is weird but at least worth a look for writing inspiration, and most remarkable of all, his opinions and experience working with both German and English language make his essays and letters worth a read for every true writer on this god forsaken, illiterate board.

>> No.17732268

>>17732219
>and most remarkable of all, his opinions and experience working with both German and English language make his essays and letters worth a read for every true writer
I think I should check those out. Thank you. —Zettels Traum looks too imposing

>> No.17732835

>>17728703
I'm sure you're just fucking around and actually know who those acclaimed and important authors are. Surely, for fucks sake, someone as ignorant as you are (hopefully) pretending to be wouldn't be on a board dedicated to literature. If you meant that sincerely, there may not be any hope for you at this point and you'd be better off taking your dimwitted, simian-browed, fucking bumbling ignorant self somewhere else. Fucking people like you shouldn't exist.

>> No.17732948

>>17732145
Thats really over-simplifying his complex relationship with Christianity, I’d sooner call him a Rosicrucian, a Christian esotericist, a kind of mason, a ceremonial magician, pagan and Christian in multiple aspects. His works and planned works are filled to the brim with esotericism, spirit evocation, initiation, direct verbatim quotes from Masonic initiations and direct allusions (not even in Faust, just check serpent and beautiful lily or his work on the magical flute.)

I think Goethe’s thoughts on the matter are summarized well in his short “confessions of a beautiful soul” in which he writes of a Christian mystic and how the goal of one; that attainment of spiritual beauty occurs through obedience with the principles of ones soul. This unity of the Will, action and the laws pervading the soul constitute the harmony known as beauty grace to Goethe, and it’s clear that this unity and freedom of self, beauty and Will is the key to the religion of goethe and he holds no exclusion towards this specific just to Christianity or his form of it, but rather living ones life totally and consistently is the key. Also there’s an entire aesthetic religion in his and Schiller’s thoughts which really isn’t too different from the religious conception of art that Wagner holds.

Just saying he’s a Christian really takes out the nuances.