Post-modernism and the rise of the Civilization-state

[Anonymous No.17723610]

>the truth is completely relative
>Different cultures and societies have different structures that define what is and isn't true. what is and isn't bad.
Doesn't post-modernism destroy the neoliberal world order on its face? Doesn't it basically guarantee the rise of china-style civilization-states?
What we're already witnessing with post-modern philosophy is: the destruction of liberal politics in the US and western countries like france, and the rise of identity politics. The re-tribalization of politics, which fractures nations. The embrace of chinese-style civilization-state models in russia and india.

[Anonymous No.17723632]

>>17723610
If truth is relative then American political and diplomatic legitimacy is dead because different cultures have the right to define morality for themselves. China is already taking a hardline stance against lgbt people. So is russia. The old US liberals are quickly losing power as newer, more radical liberal class rises using Marcusian repressive tolerance.
We're seeing this in the transgender/non-binary vs Terf debate. It's mostly a clash between. 1960s-1980s feminists and millenial-gen z feminists who fundamentally deny women and men exist as categories. This is going to effectively erase womens rights from law and life. The feminists have no way to fight this due to both the nature of liberalism and the sheer amount of force gender-fluid ideology has.

[Anonymous No.17723676]

>>17723610
Nothing to do with post modernism because nobody actually listens to post modernists. The civilization state is a life or death survival instinct against America. The concert of European great powers became a system of superpowers now to a single hyperpower (the USA). The civilization state emerged as a reaction to the Americanization of the world. The latter occurred because of the uniquely American humanistic instinct to "improve" the lives of foreign nations by democracy crusading and capitalist expansion. Americans love to interfere in the affairs of sovereign nations, which flies flat in the face against the principles of Westphalia. Americans are the most imperialist nation without having an inkling of the fact. This is the opposite of postmodern relative truth garbage.

[Anonymous No.17723706]

>>17723610
yer not seeing his point when you think the dominant 'ideology' is how things really work beyond the media apparatus

[Anonymous No.17723734]

>>17723676
>The civilization state emerged as a reaction to the Americanization of the world.
True, but post-modernism grants legitimacy to it.

[Anonymous No.17723744]

>>17723632
>China is already taking a hardline stance against lgbt people
totally untrue

[Anonymous No.17723775]

>>17723744
Actually look into it before denying it.

[Anonymous No.17723778]

>>17723610
>>the truth is completely relative
The Progs don't actually believe this, they just use this to obfuscate when they are confronted with evidence or ideas that they don't like. "your beliefs are the product of illegitimate structures of power, my beliefs are obviously true lol''. It is literally that childish.

[Anonymous No.17723836]

>>17723778
Yeah, but the right should adopt the same strategy. Tactical nihilism.

[Anonymous No.17723850]

>>17723836
the Right exist to be kicked, it doesn't matter what they adopt. The only right wing praxis is military coup

[Anonymous No.17723876]

>>17723850
Nah, it's creating parallel societies and having lots of kids. The enemy is annihilating itself.

[Anonymous No.17723883]

>>17723876
that's lolbertarian praxis and stops working when you run out of places to escape to

[Anonymous No.17723928]

>>17723883
No, religious communities will take over the United States just through birth rates. Amish 7 per female, trad Caths 6. These communities double in size every 20 years or so. Islamists are doing the same in France. It's the only realistic approach. Since the opposition is largely sterile you don't even have to be too concerned with politics and you still win.

[Anonymous No.17723974]

>>17723928
not if the military decides to gulag you

[Anonymous No.17723995]

>>17723974
I'm talking about reality. The US citizenry is protected by democracy and the constitution. These need to hold for about another 80 years then it's over for the left. They will be unable to import enough foreigners to compensate for the births among their ideological enemies.

[Anonymous No.17724009]

>>17723995
that's assuming the cia doesn't come up with some way to pull a "vatican 2" on those communities before then

[Anonymous No.17724026]

>>17723632
>We're seeing this in the transgender/non-binary vs Terf debate. It's mostly a clash between. 1960s-1980s feminists and millenial-gen z feminists who fundamentally deny women and men exist as categories
The absolute state of academia

[Anonymous No.17724033]

>>17724009
They are a conscious reaction against these developments and believe they have to behave in this manner to not go to hell. Stop spreading doom and gloom. The enemy is disappering and the left's nightmare is manifesting rapidly. Europe has far bigger problems because we don't really have those high birth communities.

[Anonymous No.17724068]

>>17724033
>thinking mormons will save the right
are you aware of mitt romney's absolutely neolib positions dude?

[Anonymous No.17724090]

>>17724009
Who do you think fills the ranks of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, if not Mormons?

[Anonymous No.17724129]

>>17724068
They are just one of those groups and exist in a wider society which will become considerably more conservative. They as a whole have low birth rates but the most conservative element among them has the highest birth rates. Meaning internally is happening exactly what occurs externally. With every generation the group will become in genetic and likely also cultural terms more conservative. The same thing is happening with Evangelicals and Catholics, all of those groups. Even Jews.

[Anonymous No.17724179]

>>17723632
>sheer amount of force gender-fluid ideology
Is this force explicable?

[Anonymous No.17724181]

>>17724179
Stfu.

[Anonymous No.17724233]

>>17723610
>Doesn't post-modernism destroy the neoliberal world order on its face?
Liberalism already destroys its own world order with its ideals of tolerance of other cultures. Postmodernism is actually hyper-liberal itself, it's born out of that precise same notion.

[Anonymous No.17724252]

>>17723995
I'm LDS and this meme bothers me. The LDS birth rate might look good but there are only 16 million of us. There are more Seventh-day Adventists, and FAR more Pentecostals, and those people came after we did. The Amish are even smaller and have existed longer than we have by centuries. I absolutely want the world to become Mormon but it will only be able to if conversion rates actually go up drastically. I expect they will actually, because ancient Christianity was not exactly a big religion at all when it was just 190 years old but by the time it was 300 years old it took over the Roman Empire. But it's dumb to think that unless they go up, Mormons (much less Amish) will take over America at the current rate.

[Anonymous No.17724268]

>>17723995
Keep in mind that GLOBAL fertility has been continually declining. There can't be a perpetual game of merely moving people from one area to here because, at some point, it's not enough.

[Anonymous No.17724323]

>>17724181
Genuine question

[Anonymous No.17724521]

>>17724026
This is what happens when you adopt the idea that the truth is relative. People actually start believing in individually defined truth.

[Anonymous No.17724955]

>>17724252
Don't understimate exponential growth. Today there are 250,000 Amish, in 200 years given current birth rates there would be 350 million. And again, there are other groups doing the same thing. The Amish are just an interesting example because they're especially resistant to cultural change. I don't think there are many people who would argue that their lifestyle will change completely over the next few generations. If it doesn't they could actually become the majority over what amounts to two consecutive human lifetimes.