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Is it just me, or is Slavoj Žižek kind of a hack, despite being one of the biggest names in philosophy today? Is philosophy dead?

>> No.17663039

>>17663019
Yes and yes. He's also old, depressed, and may have had a stroke.

>> No.17663041

>>17663019
I wanted to get into his works and saw his retarded take on Islam and decided against it.

>> No.17663048

>>17663041
>saw his retarded take on Islam
What did he say?

>> No.17663049

>>17663041
I have had similar reactions to his views on almost any topic if I delve in to them more than just surface-level. I think some of it might be cultural disconnect and very dissimilar worldviews in general.

>> No.17663054

He's famous because of his personality

> biggest names in philosophy

You'd be hard pressed to find an academic institution that will teach any of his work in America or the UK. I think he's "significant" in Argentinean humanities departments. That's about it.
You got meme'd son

>> No.17663061

>>17663048
Here is an example:
>To many a Western historian of religion, Islam is a problem – how could it have emerged after Christianity, the religion to end all religions?

Have I convinced you he is a hack yet?
https://www.lacan.com/zizarchives.htm

>>17663054
Yes but why should we limit ourselves to what Anglos teach? Have you read the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy's article on Race? Anglo philosophy is utterly cucked. Who cares what the USA or UK are teaching today. Zizek is highly appreciated in way too much of Europe.

>> No.17663094

Let's all watch The Pervert's Guide to Cinema and listen to his annoying lisp https://ok.ru/video/1883736705737

Sorry about your Bell's Palsy, dude.

>there is nothing shpontaneoush, nothing natural about human desires
>our desires are artificial
>we have to be taught to desire

>> No.17663124

>>17663019
All philosophy after Plato is just obscurantist jargon and sophistry. Except for maybe Kant

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>>17663054
>America or the UK

>> No.17663152

>>17663124
Probably a solid foundation in philosophy only requires reading two philosophers: Plato and Kant.

>> No.17663154

>>17663145
Having said that, Zizek is indeed a hack.

>> No.17663160

>>17663152
No, it also requires Aristotle.
>>17663124
>obscurantist jargon and sophistry.
Wrong, Hobbes is the most important AD political philosopher.

>> No.17663187

>>17663019
He’s a big name within a specific kind of philosophy.
They are not talking about Zizek in the philosophy department at any major university in the Anglo world.

>> No.17663193

>>17663124
Imagine believing this.
Plato’s writing is so blatantly a power fantasy and so far-off from any pretense of objectivity, I’m embarrassed to read it.

>> No.17663199

>>17663193
Eternally filtered. Are you an anglo?

>> No.17663208

>>17663019
>>17663054
He's famous for his political views but his philosophy is the most intriguing

>> No.17663211

>>17663208
>intriguing
Oh, is it? What makes it so intriguing anon?

>> No.17663214

>>17663193
cringe anglo

>> No.17663215

>>17663019
Give me the basic gestalt of his philosophy. What is he talking about? What/who is his main influence?

>> No.17663223

>>17663215
Lacan, the ultimate intellectual conman.

>> No.17663224

>>17663215
He's a neomarxist talking about neomarxist things which impresses zoomers who read nothing in their lives most likely like yourself

>> No.17663229

I like his coffee without cream bit

Christianity without trying to preserve gods blue prints, the races, is not Christianity. It is the goyim religion

>> No.17663233

>>17663211
Lacan + buddhism
His views on christ

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>>17663233
How intriguing!

>> No.17663250

>>17663239
You're not an interesting person so you wouldn't be into it

>> No.17663253

>>17663239
imaging being this much of an edgelord

>> No.17663258

It's just you and your low IQ.

>> No.17663261

>>17663250
>You're not an interesting person
Is this what works as an insult in NPC circles?

>> No.17663269

>>17663261
Yes because NPC's read about lacan buddhism. angloid

>> No.17663274

>>17663269
Buddhism is THE go-to religion for masturbatory westerners. Either that or Wicca.

>> No.17663284

>>17663274
You mean some corporate kind of buddhism that isn't offensive. I don't think lacan buddhism is about meditation man. Come on.

>> No.17663291

>>17663284
It only makes it more edgy and rad

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>>17663145
He may be taught in continental academia, but I'm not aware of it.

My point stands. Its highly problematic to portray him as significant in philosophy. He's a niche media personality.

>> No.17663585

>>17663019
Philosophy died when Germans turned it into a soulless and autistic masturbatory act

>> No.17663617

Never trust a man who makes a living performing to undergraduates

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>> No.17663735

>>17663039
>may have had a stroke.
He did have a stroke, he talked about it a while ago.

>> No.17663751

>>17663019
One of my favourite stand-up comedians.

>> No.17663763

>>17663019
No one would give real philosophy a second look today. Just look at any Plato thread here.
You have to be a retard and shill to get a name.

>> No.17663775

>>17663124
But Kant is the opposite of Plato.

>> No.17663845

>>17663019
Zizek looks like he stinks

>> No.17663870

>>17663054
>Analytic philosophers don't teach continentals
Why did you think you were being insightful here?

>> No.17663882

>>17663152
You will look like a second year undergrad if you do this. At least read Heidegger or something.

>> No.17663896

>>17663574
I was taught him in undergrad polphil classes in America. You're just generalizing way too much from your own experience from like 2 departments just like every other grad student.

>> No.17663908

>>17663019
All he does is read Hegel through Lacan, which as a philosophical project is quite interesting. His vulgarities and sense of humor is what made him popular.
When you accuse someone of being a hack, I expect you to have something to back it up, so elaborate.

>> No.17663962

>>17663224
>neomarxist

Doesn't he consistently shit on idpol though?

>> No.17664069
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People who say Zizek is a hack are always those people who only've seen a couple YT videos of his speeches or lectures.

Zizek will a lot of the time greatly simplify his ideas so it can appeal to a larger audience (as, quite often, the audience in front of him is not guaranteed to be well read on Lacan, Hegel, nor Marx). He has perhaps suffered as much as he has succeded with doing his public appearances this way since his personality has become a meme ("haha lmao bro sniffgh sniffhz and so and so an hilarious meme bro").

I am not saying his philosophy is flawless or whatever, but if you actually look past the meme and read one of his works you'll realize that he is a pretty good philosopher

>> No.17664141

>>17663019
hackin up a storm for sure. just get a tissue dude, honestly.

>> No.17664149

>>17663735
What a fucking retard. How hard is it to not be a fat fuck?

>> No.17664151

>>17663061
dont get whats particularly damning about the quoted statement.

>> No.17664234
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>>17663215
>coffee without cream
>macedonians wanking using holes in the ground during earthquakes
>he embraced me and said "you can call me nigger!"
>in the ex-yugoslavian army we used to greet each other with "i fuck your mother", "i fuck your sister"
>kung fu panda
>i am generally opposed to wisdom
>this is the store without milk, the one across the street is the one without bread
>fist-fucking
>what dies on the cross is the father
>the chinese
>fukuyama
>rumsfeld, known unknowns, unknown unknowns
>this for me is the miracle of christianity, god himself becomes an atheist
>hegel hegel hegel, bestimmte negation and so on and so on
>lacan objet petit a
>gulag
>ontological incompleteness, god made reality like a computer game, not fully rendered
>the big other
>sniff sniff and so on and so on

>> No.17664291

>>17664151
I think anon just really hates Islam

>> No.17664295

>>17663962
neo marxism is not idpol.

>> No.17664469

>>17664295
unless jordan peterson is speaking

>> No.17664488

>>17663019
Name one (ONE) good philosopher who is still alive

>> No.17664532

>>17664151
It's a retarded Hegelian take that history inevitably builds up to a certain point and then stops

>> No.17664540

>>17663145
you can post le funny pic all you like but all the best univerisites in the world are in america and the uk

>> No.17664557

>>17664488
nick land

>> No.17664568

>>17664532
Or it's an observation that Christianity has been the default perspective for much of western history, complicating its view of Islam.

>> No.17664580

>>17664069
yep they say he has a "serious" and a "public" mode but to be honest I have only ever seen the latter and found his written work patchy

>> No.17664612

He’s only know for his meme marxism. Has some good work but nothing special. He would be unknown if he was a dissident
Alain de Benoit, Paul Gottfried is much better but are right so unknown
> Is philosophy dead?
No just wait until some brilliant comes along. It’s just rare

>> No.17664651

>>17664568
Obviously not. Read what he actually wrote.

>> No.17664665

>>17663061
Imagine Zizek saying 'to many a Jewish historian of religion, Christianity is a problem - how could it have emerged after Judaism, the religion to end all religions'

>> No.17664758

>>17663019
He is not a hack.
He is a true left progressivist.
Yet again, like many postmodern philosophers, he bases is assumptions on his version of psychoanalysis (which is based on Lacan).
Humans live is a false world of ideology created by enlightenment and secured by mass media. We know too much about world, so the only way to cope is to live using false ideology. Otherwise we would kill ourselves.

Zizek proposes a solution to this - if everything is ideology, we should just let smart people create new ideology that will be human- and nature- friendly. His perfect political model is stalinism/state-capitalism. Eventually communism.

>> No.17664795

>>17664758
>Humans live is a false world of ideology created by enlightenment and secured by mass media. We know too much about world, so the only way to cope is to live using false ideology. Otherwise we would kill ourselves.

So you admit his entire philosophy is basically founded on r/antinatalism tier "heh, you don't know nothin', kid..." nihilism

> His perfect political model is stalinism/state-capitalism. Eventually communism.
And the conclusion he draws from this is globohomo state control, amazing.

>> No.17664836

>>17664795
>So you admit his entire philosophy is basically founded on r/antinatalism tier "heh, you don't know nothin', kid..." nihilism
Yes? I mean, postmodernity is a tradition. You either accept it or you don't.
Besides, it's not like absolute intrinsic nihilism can be refuted. It's just that people still keep living, because some things matter to them, even though there is no basis for that.

>And the conclusion he draws from this is globohomo state control, amazing.
I actually agree with him about globehomo control. The only other rational choice would be to embrace Unabomber's ideas. If we want to preserve globalism and technology, we need global control.

>> No.17664853

>>17664795
Sorry for grammar mistakes

>> No.17664856

>>17663700
This was made by an asshurt christcuck

>> No.17664862

>>17663908
>All he does is read Hegel through Lacan, which as a philosophical project is quite interesting. His vulgarities and sense of humor is what made him popular.
there ya go

>> No.17664922

>>17663054
>You'd be hard pressed to find an academic institution that will teach any of his work in America or the UK
Is Yale good enough for you?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1M9-xk-BVg

he talks about

>> No.17665008

>>17664651
In other words you're unable to articulate your point. Noted.

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>>17664922

>> No.17665131

>>17664488
Byung Chul Han

>> No.17665214

>>17663019
the only really insightful thing that he ever said was that Schumann and Schubert Lieder should be sung in a small circle without an opera voice

>> No.17665334

SLAVOJ ZIZEK IS A SOPHIST, NOT A PHILOSOPHER.

>> No.17665516

>>17663094
What a complete retard.

>> No.17665564

>>17664758
That has worked so well in the part.
Socialist realism sure made everyone see the world through its lens and everything suddenly worked fantastic.

Fuck postmodernism, just because nothing can be truly known doesn't mean everything is equally likely or has the same utility.

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>>17665334

>> No.17665596

>>17663019
Hegelian = posturing pseudointellectual sophist.

>> No.17665616

>>17665564
>Socialist realism sure made everyone see the world through its lens and everything suddenly worked fantastic.
True. Socialism in the past was bullshit. Hegelians believe that the future can be different. It's a crypto-religion.

>Fuck postmodernism, just because nothing can be truly known doesn't mean everything is equally likely or has the same utility.
Nah. You should read more. This is just a strawman. Postmodernists themselves are dissatisfied with current state of things.

>> No.17665626

>>17663061
>Have you read the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy's article on Race? Anglo philosophy is utterly cucked.
lol did you read my post from yesterday
That entry is just the opinion of of the guy who wrote it, it doesn't represent analytic philosophy as a whole. On the other hand Continental philosophy has jumped the shark.

>> No.17665650

>>17665616
>This is just a strawman. Postmodernists themselves are dissatisfied with current state of things.
How is it a strawman?
One of the most fundamental ideas of postmodernism is the rejection of objective truth and its in turn used to justify many ideas as valid. It's why philosophers like Zizek still cling to the utterly disproven idea of tabula rasa, without it all his ideas would fall apart when implemented in the real world which is what will happen as tabula rasa is false.

>> No.17665693

>>17665650
>most fundamental ideas of postmodernism is the rejection of objective truth
>Objective truth
>Implying truth can be non-objective
>Implying that non-strawman will openly reject truth
Demented angloid bugman.

>> No.17665709

>>17665650
>rejection of objective truth
>everything is equally likely or has the same utility
These two things are not interconnected.

Reread my original post. I discussed what Zizeks concept of ideology means. Nothing matter and nothing is true, but some things still do without reason. He thinks we should control things that matter, because (sic!) people can't do this themselves.

Fuck, every single postmodernist is like this. They all cry that we must find new meaning from our ass.

>> No.17665710

>>17665693
Good job not understanding my criticism.

>> No.17665743

>>17665650
Postmodernists (Foucault, Derrida, Baudrillard...) all (most of them) are AGAINST the destruction on values. They just describe the process how enlightenment led to this.

Main problem is modern universities where stupid people are indoctrinated into ideas they don't fully understand.

>> No.17665754

>>17663274
Wicca is not a religion

>> No.17665769

>>17663019
>Is philosophy dead?

Wake up everything is fucking dead. Phil, lit, architecture, art, music, fashion. It's all down the fucking shitter.

>> No.17665771

>>17665743
>Main problem is modern universities where stupid people are indoctrinated into ideas they don't fully understand.
I agree, and I like several French postmodernists. The problem is how postmodernism is used today.

>> No.17665775

>>17664069
Larger audience as in fat people

>> No.17665778

>>17665334
Smooth brain CÆMGENVS strikes again

>> No.17665785

>>17663019
yeah he's hacky as fuck no actual philosophers respect him, he's just a fucking meme and good at what mark fisher called "market stalinism"

>> No.17665837

>>17665334
Are you angling for worst trip on the board?

>> No.17665898

>>17663223
You got filtered but I can't blame you

>> No.17665915

>>17663019
No, his real stuff is legit good, but it's mostly commentaries on Hegel and others. It's his pop philosophy that's garbage.

>> No.17665937

>>17663019
He’s ok. Yes philosophy is basically dead.

>> No.17665976

>>17665785
I don't understand why Fisher is so popular. Zero new ideas. I have read the same things in Fukuyama and Baudrillard

>> No.17666003

>>17663239
based

>> No.17666150

>>17663700
I have a hard time believing any actual Buddhist believes in karma

>> No.17666627

>>17666150
That's ridiculous. Of course they do. You just don't understand what karma means, or else you'd realize that you most likely believe in it, too. It's simply the principle of cause and effect writ large. If you throw a rock straight up in to the air, it might hit you in the head if you aren't paying attention, or you might be able to avoid the results of such "bad karma" by mindful awareness of reality-as-it-is. Karma is the recognition that all effects have causes, and all causes are themselves effects of earlier causes. That is to say, everything that "is" right now, "is" because things in the past "were." So the actions you take now based on what "is" will produce the effects and causes of what "will be." Therefore doing unwise things and not paying attention to consequences can hurt you down the road.

It really isn't somehow "magical" or moralistic like westerners usually believe. It doesn't discriminate between good and evil. It is just that every effect becomes a cause for future effects. You can either try to swim against this current, or cooperate with it to try to create a better world and better life.

>> No.17667286

>>17666627
Ironically enough I learned this from Ram Dass who was a classic American boomer who did the LSD-india-pilgrimage thing

>> No.17667297

>>17664234

you have to admit his analysis of kung fu panda is pretty insightful...

>> No.17667378

>>17665898
It’s a religion like Mormonism, Scientology, Freudianism, or Marxism. You either buy into the cult 100%, or it’s totally lost on you.
Its followers are adepts in endless reinterpretation to make any ad hoc application stick.

>> No.17667432

How did he get popular in the first place? Making it out of Slovenia seems uneasy...

>> No.17667489

>>17667378
It may sound like that with all that jargon that didn't even have a fixed meaning but the basis is irl observations and occasional success where medicine response would be to stuff you with zombie pills.
You can verify the thesis on this very board. Lack of name of the father function leaves young men deserted, without a position, insecure, unable to assume the role of a man.

>> No.17667620

>>17663574
>Its highly problematic
ok twitter faggot

>> No.17667631

>>17663054
Any university in the US with a continental lean will teach Zizek in their 20th century philosophy class.

>> No.17667635

He's kind of lazy, recycling ideas and working within a system that he seems to take for certainty. Still better than most mainstream philosophers

>> No.17667640

>>17667631
Damn, already a relic of the past

>> No.17667694

Many famous or influential philosophers were little known or appreciated in their time. I wouldn't exactly call philosophy dead, we are just unlikely aware of the truly observant works.

>> No.17667705

>>17664540
According to America and the UK.

>> No.17667726

>>17665334
You contribute nothing to this board

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>>17664234

>> No.17668209

>>17664234
>this for me is the miracle of christianity, god himself becomes an atheist
I actually like this

>> No.17669765

>>17663700
Based

>> No.17669841

>>17664557
based

>> No.17669851

I think Zizek he has tourettes

>> No.17669892

>>17665334
Please, if you could just reach butter level of posts you would be tolerable - this is by far the worst poster on the board...

>> No.17671148

imagine thinking zizek is a postmodernist

>> No.17671155

>>17664557
Based

>> No.17671158

>>17663019
I can understand why many people think he is crazy, and why many people here write him off as an idiot.
You need to dig beyond a lot of stuff and understand his framework to really get a lot of his other shit.
Its like understanding him occurs in retrospective, you start by listening to his jokes and reading his easier books, but then you delve into his philosophy and you understand more and more why he uses the jokes and how he does etc.
He makes a lot more sense when you know more about his philosophical project, but that is a very different category than his meme tier stuff, it's serious philosophically dense stuff.

>> No.17671161

>>17663019
This thread is garbage. Nobody here has even read Zizek

>> No.17671190

>>17671158
>it's serious philosophically dense stuff
yes, but is it good?

>> No.17671291

Zizek is a fun guy with interesting views on Hegel, Freud and Lacan. People here just hate on him because every Hegelian is seen as an obscurantist and because "muh leftism is destroying the west".

>> No.17671462

>>17671161
agreed. what an embarrassment. do zoomers really sit around and talk shit about philosophers they do not understand and have never read?

>> No.17671488

>>17664532
>doesn't understand Hegel
>doesn't understand Zizek
>has read neither
>well, if you ask me...
we didn't ask you retard

>> No.17672664

>>17663019
the longer you just ramble and run your mouth the less people give a shit

>> No.17672736

>>17663215
>*schniff* vee shee how de toilettes of yurop are divided into tree separate camps *schniff*
>first, vee have de German toilette. The *schniff* German toilettes contain zee ledge, dat allows zee German to analyze his feces. Dis is is dee ackshual konserfatif model in Yurop *schniff*
>den vee haf de French model. De French toilettes are dee radicals of yurop, and for dis reeson deir toilettes *schniff* are filled with much vater, submerging zee feces in turbulence dat prevents any *schniff* effektif analysis
>finally, *schniff* ve have de English toilettes. Zee English, are zee typical pragmatists of Yurop *schniff*. Zey are the middle ground betveen zee German and French approach. Zee English haf decided dat dey vill fill deir toilettes only halfvay viff vater, allowing radical change ven necessary, but not sacrificing any analytic chances

>> No.17672766

>>17664758
>he bases is assumptions on his version of psychoanalysis
Which is a pseudoscience. How can anything based on pseudoscience be valuable?

>> No.17672780

>>17671161
fuck you anon, i've actually read the sublime object of ideology

>> No.17672784

>>17666627
Neuton's third law of thermodynamics. Further proof that we have moved past the need for philosophers now that we have science

>> No.17672793

>>17672784
of motion*

>> No.17672801

>>17663019
>Is philosophy dead?
You don't know about the good work being done unless you are an academic working in the field. Philosophy comes with no fanfare. All the best scholars are virtually unknown to anyone outside their area of expertise.

>> No.17672852

>>17672766
Well, it's arguable. Can you really can ALL psychoanalysis pseudoscience? At some point in time we will discover a working pyschoanalytical model.

>>17671161
doesn't this make the cut? >>17664758
I have watched some lectures about The Sublime Object of Ideology

>> No.17672877

>>17672801
Name a thing that is "not dead" in postmodern times? Everyone just cares about power.

>> No.17672888

>>17672784
>Neuton's third law of thermodynamics

>> No.17672906

>>17672784
Blasphemy.
There is no way you can extrapolate a natural scientific law to any higher degree. It's an unjustified induction.

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>>17672784
>Neuton's third law of thermodynamics.
>Neuton
>thermodynamics

>> No.17673255

>>17672852
>Can you really can ALL psychoanalysis pseudoscience?
yes

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>>17672784
this will never not be relevant
dilate

>> No.17673651

>>17673255
Don't you agree that advanced research in brain morphology and physiology will help phychoanalysis to become a legitimate science?
It won't be a psychoanalysis at this point - perhaps we will call it somthing else.

>> No.17673863

>>17673304
s o y's would be very angry if they knew what the people on the left talk about

>> No.17673885

>>17663019
Reactionary Leftism is an awkward niche to find oneself in

>> No.17673899

>>17673863
Imagine if they actually read Isaac Newton.

>> No.17674074

He is the finest Neo-Hegelian thinker of the postmodern epoch

>> No.17674084

>>17664234
there is old dirty joke about jewish farmer going fishing

>> No.17674087

>>17672784
bait or epochally retarded. your masters would be proud

>> No.17674591

Zizek is discussed in "theory" classes, usually English departments, as is most psychoanalysis. And that's fine-- most western philosophy programs are just analytic liberal wankery at this point. His interpretation of ideology is crucial to understanding our times for anyone intellectually curious.
>epic communist man talks funny and says dirty jokes
I think leftist zoomers have made him seem much more of a cringe meme than he is. Jokes are integral to his ontology (you can laugh at ideology but it still works-- this is the understanding he developed growing up in yugoslavia).
His reading of Hegel, which has rehabilitated him into the public eye better than anyone in recent years other than maybe Popper, is about contradiction as ontology. You dont have to read lacan or whatever to see how this makes sense. A lot of pseuds in this threads who apparently are too brainlet to read him should just throw on one of his lectures that he uploads to youtube for free in good faith if they actually care about learning. I don't care about his politics at this point I just think he is perhaps the foremost critic of our times; he is certainly sympathetic to the "anti pc" attitudes of websites like this one

>> No.17674624

>>17663019
there's very few non "hacks" in academia/politics these days
he has some interesting takes here and there, more so than most talking heads imo, but that's all he is really desu

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>> No.17674843

>>17674591
said popper but meant to say pippin. Popper is the main reason libs are scared of hegel

>> No.17674904

>>17667705
according to the number of forefingers clamoring to get into said institutions.

>> No.17674959

>>17674843
>Popper is the main reason libs are scared of hegel
why is that

>> No.17675161

>>17674959
Because 10 minutes listening to Popper and you get out the Poker.

>> No.17675212

>>17664665
Zizek the so-called "rebel" knows not to ask the wrong questions.

>> No.17675260

>>17671462
zoomers have this need to be recognized and validated far more than any generation before them. its almost paradoxical, because the zoomer will go as far as to publicly say they dont care about validation and attention, but if they truly didn't, they wouldn't have gone out of their way to publicly post about it. On the internet, as we all know, anyone can have an opinion. zoomers always have an opinion. on the chance they get called a faggot, at least they got a (You), and on the chance someone agrees, it is a nice stroke of the ego. this is why I believe the quality of discussions on the internet have gone down so much, because the intent isn't to actually discuss anymore, but rather to stroke the ego with recognition.

>t. zoomer

>> No.17675333

>>17675260
Damn that's literally me. Thank you for putting the effort to unveil my disgusting nature anon. I will start being a better man starting now.

>> No.17675372

being a marxist in the 21st century automatically means you are an idiot who cant think critically

>> No.17675380

>>17675333
because there are no IDs on this board, I am suspicious this is irony, but if it isn't, good luck to you. i struggle with this too

>> No.17675421

>>17675380
It's not irony, it's genuine struggle with a disgusting flaw that's deeply rooted. Your analysis was on point and it made me realise that lately , without even realising I've slipped again into this ego trap. It's an ongoing fierce battle which seems it will never fucking end

>> No.17675499

>>17675421
>>17675260
this need of recognition but desire to seem too cool to care I think is a pretty hegelian point, zizek would be proud anons good job
>>17675372
you havent read him; he is not a marxist and addresses these failures numerous times

>> No.17675630

>>17675421
hey anon, i do it too, that is why ive become aware of it, and you are too.
the fact that you are fighting that battle is honorable, and it isn't honorable to make you feel better about yourself. you aren't philosophically "better" for fighting that battle, but you are more aware of your human condition, and that makes you less of an animal. that is at least something to be proud of.
there are many people who fall into the ego trap constantly and aren't even aware of it. its a blessing and a curse, ignorance is bliss yada yada. but you get the idea. the end goal is to overcome that ego, and it is hard to do. try meditation.

>> No.17675724

>>17675630
>>17675421
the battle will never end we can only recognize deadlock. Meditation etc is fine but you will never overcome ego and it is ideological to think so. Embrace the contradiction inherent in subjectivity--the dialectic cannot be resolved but only understood

>> No.17675727

>>17664557
Based

>> No.17675882

>>17675260
>>17675499
yes a classic hegelian subject that can only exist for itself if it exists for another. many such cases

>> No.17675885

>>17675724
it can be resolved with sufficiently intense training. zizek's never had a taste for deep oriental praxis and it's why sloterdijk overshadows him. sorry man I don't really buy buddhism being entirely circumscribed by lacan's system lol

>> No.17675953

>>17663019
You could say that he is because he self-plagiarizes and re-publishes the same ideas over and over again. But really that's not his problem and more a problem with what academic culture demands of him. If you are an idiot who believes the hype and buys physical copies of every one of his books thinking it will be a new revolution thats on you. Everyone has to make money somehow.

I don't really think that kind of critique is meaningful and think his real value is in translation and advocacy of philosophy to the general public, especially Hegel.

>> No.17675982

>>17665564
>just because nothing can be truly known doesn't mean everything is equally likely or has the same utility
>>17665650
>One of the most fundamental ideas of postmodernism is the rejection of objective truth and its in turn used to justify many ideas as valid
Where the fuck do people get this stupid idea from?

>> No.17675998

>>17663019
>is Slavoj Žižek kind of a hack
All of his hackish stuff is an obvious rube grift.

>> No.17676002

>>17663054
The Sublime Object of Ideology gets a bit of play in introductory literary theory and criticism courses.

>> No.17676012

>>17664469
Neomarxism isn't a thing outside Peterson's crap.

>> No.17676045

>>17676012
That just isnt true. Postmodern neo-marxism isn’t a thing, obviously, but neo-marxism is a real tendency.

>> No.17676053

>>17675885
what do you mean circumscribed? Zizek criticizes what he calls "western buddhism" through lacan because he sees neoliberalism as a project set on making people whole when such a task is impossible, through things like corporate wellness, charity, woke shit, drugs etc. "mindfulness" is dangerous because it tries to circumvent negativity that makes us who we are, same with AI

>> No.17676877

>>17664532
Cringe dunning-kruger

>> No.17678218

>>17676053
yeah he does but he has a few things to say about real buddhist praxeology and how buddhism can't take lacan's auto-recoiling void blah blah blah. like I said, sloterdijk is the superior thinker in this regard. I don't think psychoanalysis is richer than a 2,000+ year old tradition, that's just silly

>> No.17678625

>>17663145
Literally the only relevant Univeristies

>> No.17679055

>>17678218
haven't read what he says about actual praxeology (or sloterdijk for that matter) but I don't think he is the cultural iconoclast everyone says he is; he just thinks negativity is crucial

>> No.17679724

>>17672784
Fucking hell anon you are on the wrong board

>> No.17679733

>>17664557
cringe

>> No.17679735

>>17679055
i've read zizek and i respect him profoundly. i just think he's a bit disingenuous to traditions like buddhism, and DEFINITELY gnosticism.

>> No.17679776

>>17663019
Is it just me, or is Slavoj Žižek kind of a hack, despite being one of the biggest names in philosophy today? Is philosophy dead?

>> No.17679786

>>17666627
it absolutely can have a "magical" element to it, in that the causes and effects can be mechanisms that are far more complex than we can comprehend and therefore appear magical
btw magic is real it's just a means of harnessing manifestation

>> No.17679960

>>17663019

byung chul han is way better and more grounded

>> No.17679991

>>17675953
I dont understand, shouldnt he be making enough money not to rely on publishing books?

>> No.17680898

>>17664532
>anon can't even understand hegel's easiest lecture series

>> No.17680952

Sublime Object of Ideology is a crucial text

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