Buying dissident literature without being put on a watchlist?

[Anonymous No.17633902]

Is it smart to buy dissident books in today’s climate? If I buy a book like Industrial society and it’s future without getting put in some database or am I just being a paranoid schizo? I don’t want to be thrown in some woke gulag for thought crime so does anyone knows a smarter way to get dissident literature?

[Anonymous No.17633950]

>>17633902
Theres almost definitely a watch list in that various orgs can probably get all the books you've ever bought or anyone who's read a particular set of books. But what would they do with it? A China style social credit system is at least 20 years off. If you become rich and/or famous they will use the info to build a character profile on you.

[Anonymous No.17633960]

>>17633950
But I mean... they already have a better profile on you from your internet search history anyways.

[Anonymous No.17634068]

>>17633902
>If I buy a book like Industrial society and it’s future without getting put in some database or am I just being a paranoid schizo? I
huh, why would be put on a DB for supporting the gays and transsexuals like Ted did before it was trendy?

[Blarty Hongo !H0lVGXJNm6 No.17634096]

>>17633902
If you’re so paranoid about that kind of thing, why are you posting on 4chan in the first place?

[Anonymous No.17634099]

>>17633950
The management class in the US doesn't operate like China. China is honest and open about its method of control, which is force. The US relies on underhanded manipulation as it's primary method of coercion. They could use lists like this to identify potential troublemakers and make their life difficult through any number of ways, including gun control lists, no fly lists, barring people from NSA prechecks, other security checks that might impede employment or education. That's just the hard power aspect of our ruling class. Our true rulers, the oligarchs, might use these lists to target people with advertising, recommendations on Youtube, profile recommendations, or tailored Google searches designed to change our way of thinking. They could likewise fuck with employment opportunities if they decide we're dangerous thinkers.

The sad thing is all of these things are being done already.

[Anonymous No.17634103]

>>17634068
>what they do in their bed
don't you see how that is inherently homophobic, though? He dismisses homosexuality as entirely a sexual relationship, rather than romantic. It's as silly as saying, "Why would I care what you do in bed?" after someone tells you they got married.

[Anonymous No.17634120]

>>17634099
>China is honest and open about its method of control, which is force. The US relies on underhanded manipulation as it's primary method of coercion
Is it wrong this makes me support China more?

[Anonymous No.17634141]

>>17634120
I prefer the honesty of beating up political dissidents over this weird manipulation that big tech is employing.

[Anonymous No.17634192]

>>17633902
Don't worry, no one cares until you fuck up by blowing up logging company offices, shoot up a school or storm the parliament. I advise you against doing such acts, of course.

[Anonymous No.17634230]

There is a curious insidiousness to that article.

On the one hand, it proclaims, out in the open, forces at work behind the scenes working together to manufacture consent; on the other hand, in doing so, it is able to dismiss conspiracy due to its admittance. In a way, it gets someone to admit there are people that steer them but also gets them to still sneer at the idea of someone believing in conspiracy theory.

[Anonymous No.17634251]

>>17633902
1. You're probably already on a watchlist
2. Read them online if you're scared

[Anonymous No.17634271]

>>17634096
I kinda doubt they are going to be cataloging all my shit posts but they might maybe I am too naive. But If I buy “evil” books that seems more likely to raise red flags and get me put on a list somewhere.

[Anonymous No.17634273]

if you're posting about "dissident literature" on this honeypot, you're already on a list

[Anonymous No.17634290]

>>17634120
China is at least honest and somewhat cares about or at least doesn’t actively hate and what to exterminate Chinese people. The west on the other hand.

[Anonymous No.17634303]

>>17634251
>>17634273

Kinda figured but why make it easier for them.

[Anonymous No.17634453]

You are not a dissident. Governments and their analogues have always suppressed texts they didn't like. You wanting to consoom those texts does not make you a dissident. Being a dissident is not some designer brand you can just pick up like the latest fashion. Nothing changes about your life and relationship to state power at all from just reading a book. You'd have to start glowing to be a dissident, and by that point you are likely an unwitting asset of the regime, or of a rival regime.

[Anonymous No.17634472]

>>17634453
Is this a simple man of action versus man of contemplation dichotomy?

[Anonymous No.17634501]

>>17634472
Speaking of, Bezos will still deliver Evola to you in two days with free shipping.

[Anonymous No.17634549]

>>17634453
There are people in jail right now being held with no bond because they happen to be Trump supporters who committed the ghastly crime of trespassing. They've actually been held for longer than the maximum sentencing allowed for that crime. All this while Democrat politicians bail out leftist rioters across the country and get their charges dropped. This isn't the 90's fantasy world anymore, people are actually being prosecuted for their political beliefs.

[Anonymous No.17634550]

>>17634501
That’s nice of him.

[Anonymous No.17634569]

>>17634549
That’s just the hard power stuff I’m more concerned about being blacklisted by society loosing my job, loosing my ability to use a bank, being put on a know fly list etc.

[Anonymous No.17634587]

If you ever find yourself in federal court facing some bullshit charge because the government is out to get you, things like what you read absolutely will matter. Everything you do can and will be used against you. If they can use your Goodreads profile to help paint you as a white supremacist then they will. They're not going to contextualize your reading of Mein Kampf.

[Anonymous No.17634603]

>>17634549
Oh yes, those people were baited into being comic book villains for the media apparatus, and now suffer for it. Shield is fighting Hydra, evidence will be produced of their wickedness. They are indeed political dissidents from a sympathetic point of view, but sympathy is for losers and they did lose. It also turned into an excuse to purge the burger military and capitol police of right-wingers too, so now the next time they run this kind of op it will be a lot tighter. You should read God Emperor of Dune to better understand what the purpose of failed rebellions is.

[Anonymous No.17634627]

>>17634230
Agreed. It's fascinating and terrifying.

[Anonymous No.17634683]

>>17633902
Don't buy dissident literature. Your outward political position should be vaguely socialist with a hint of intersectional moralism. No one should be able to prove otherwise.

[Anonymous No.17634697]

>>17634683
Nuh uh you need to get everything on my /redpill/ chart and then fill out your Goodreads profile

[Anonymous No.17634721]

>>17634587
Any suggestions on how to get books without them being linked back to me?

[Anonymous No.17634793]

>>17634290
wait till you hear about the cultural revolution

[Anonymous No.17634795]

>>17634587
If it gets to that point just go out like a boss and deny nothing

[Anonymous No.17634819]

>>17634230
They confess without confessing. The “Dimmesdale syndrome”.

[Anonymous No.17634849]

>>17633902
Calm down you’ll be fine. Things aren’t that bad yet

[Anonymous No.17634925]

>>17633902
Well best way to avoid woke gulag is not to read what you're not supposed to.
>>17633950
>A China style social credit system is at least 20 years off
I don't share your optimism, around ten years and west will have social credit system implemented.

[Blarty Hongo !H0lVGXJNm6 No.17634952]

>>17634271
You're flattering your own subversiveness.

[Anonymous No.17634960]

>>17634721
Pirate them or maybe buy with crypto. With Counter-Currents you can only buy through crypto since the banks blacklsited them, and even then you have to be careful not to use certain exchanges like Coinbase since they'll straight up ban you if you send money to wrong thinkers. You might just have to be reconciled with the fact that you're going to end up on a list.

[Anonymous No.17635028]

>>17633902
I found a recruiting pamphlet for a shady looking mercenary group that was disguised by relying on copy-pasting random youtube comments and video-game titles
Basically pages of shit like:
>You’re ready to take a vacation, get away from it all, and enjoy the simplicity of nature. But you’re new to camping and don’t know how to plan a camping trip. No worries, you’ve come to the right place. Brothers in Arms is a tactical shooter video game series by Gearbox Software, consisting of ten individual games. The core series consists of the first-person shooters Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 (2005), Brothers in Arms: Earned in Blood (2005), and Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway (2008). The storyline is set against the backdrop of the liberation of Western Europe. Starring Roddy Piper, Keith David, and Meg Foster, the film follows an unnamed drifter[nb 1] who discovers through special sunglasses that the ruling class are aliens concealing their appearance and manipulating people to consume, breed, and conform to the status quo via subliminal messages in mass media.
It was pretty ingenious and I can't imagine any cop believing that it was what it was even if you sat them down and spelt it out sentence by sentence, but if you've got a 120+ IQ and can read between the lines its very clear what the message is. Kind of a post-modern pastiche specifically made for attracting hyper-paranoid schizoids.
Makes you wonder what sort of fringe dissident communities there are out there.

[Anonymous No.17635038]

>>17633902
Pretty sure we are all on a list for visiting 4chan anyway. If it gets to the point of being a problem for those books, the same problem will exist for this website. Last few years have shown that the news will fabricate whatever reality they desire to. What this website is or was won't matter.

[Anonymous No.17635099]

Idk about you guys but I'm constantly encouraging terrorist acts and getting called a glowie but so far I haven't had any issues. Its possible we just aren't that important.
I do notice threads being tailored specifically to lure me in, get personal info sometimes tho lol. It helps being a hyper-paranoid schizoid, but I take the fact that they bother with such things to be kind of encouraging.
Honestly I wish any CIA agents here would just recruit me into their old-boys club. I'm smart enough for it that I could kick some serious ass as an analyst, but instead I encourage random anons with mental disorders to bomb federal buildings because system collapse seems my most realistic path for social advancement.

[Anonymous No.17635114]

you dont get on the fun list by reading books.

[Anonymous No.17635118]

>>17633950
>you just know

[Anonymous No.17635157]

>>17634068
reminder that ted wanted to be a tranny thing was mostly hammed up by both the government and his defense attorneys to discredit his manifesto and bolster an insanity plea respectively. even zerzan has talked about how ted's lawyers had zero interest in actually defending him they were just anti-death penalty activists

[Anonymous No.17635164]

>>17633902
put me on a watchlist you alphabet niggers I swear to god this is financial advice I know what you globohomo people are planning fucking check'em god as my witness

[Anonymous No.17635170]

>>17634230
it gets even better than that, the very existence of that article means the author has already secured the rights in writing from everyone written about for the purposes of optioning it as a movie/tv series/both. "how a dictator was toppled" the major streaming event only on [platform]

[Anonymous No.17635171]

>>17633902
>posting on 4chinz
You're already on the list.

[Anonymous No.17635180]

>>17635028
Did you join?

[Anonymous No.17635197]

>>17634549
Don't trespass

[Anonymous No.17635206]

>>17633902
order them to a local bookstore and pay with cash?

[Anonymous No.17635215]

>>17633902

[Anonymous No.17635232]

>>17633902
I have On the jews and their lies. I am on so many lists that I do not give a fuck anymore.

[Anonymous No.17635234]

>>17635180
Nah. I tracked them down to a bike gang front and a couple PMC pages, and managed to get into some of the personal writings of whoever wrote the recruitment pamphlet but I'm hesitant to go further than that. Ether they're a backdoor into sketchy levels of society (they mention standing guard for various private events while you 'work your way up' to having political connections) or an unhinged LARPer who's bike gang has fallen apart due to drama. Either way, I'd have to drop everything and spend months being hazed by this bike club with a very real possibility of ending up in federal prison or as a patsy for some psych-ops false flag.

[Anonymous No.17635315]

>>17635234
Anyways they seem like a bike club with some deep state connections that occasionally provides 'services' in the MENA theater. Not unheard of, but I'd bet my left nut it's filled with redneck freaks and repressed homos. All my research has led me to the conclusion that joining the Freemasons and having more than a passing interest in occultism is the most respectable way to get into the deep state. Occultist circles and street gangs are, baring Ivy Universities and Wall Street, the main places that those types seem to recruit from.

[Anonymous No.17635433]

>>17633902
>“It’s astounding how close we came, how fragile all this really is,” says Timmer, the former Michigan GOP executive director. “It’s like when Wile E. Coyote runs off the cliff–if you don’t look down, you don’t fall. Our democracy only survives if we all believe and don’t look down.”
Yes, we all have to believe. Don't look down haha.

[Anonymous No.17635457]

>>17634120
I think the pretense of American freedom ends up doing more harm to Americans in the long run because a lot of them really believe it. Both America and China have grotesque security apparatuses collecting info on the general public, but at least the Chinese don't suffer the illusion that they are free. Because of this, their gov is able to brazenly and openly use their surveillance to the end of say, covid contact tracing. America could not do something like this while maintaining the facade that their people are free and so basically all Americans end up seeing of their privatized surveillance apparatus is google shilling them boner pills and custom tees based on their search habits.

[Anonymous No.17635459]

>>17633902
Everyone's already on a watchlist anon. You're on a watchlist the second your parents put your name down on your birth certificate and you get your social security number.

[Anonymous No.17635565]

>>17635170
>they subverted democracy
>*dramatic music*
>to save democracy

[Anonymous No.17637120]

>>17634068
Huh, never knew Ted had AGP. Highly commendable he didn't troon out. I might just check out his stuff.

[Anonymous No.17637188]

>>17635099
based

[Anonymous No.17637234]

>>17634103
this has to be a concern troll

[Anonymous No.17637243]

>>17633902
You're not getting sent to any gulags under neoliberalism you utter fucking brainlet. God I hate Americans so fucking much.

[Anonymous No.17637286]

>>17635099
based glowie

[Anonymous No.17637299]

>>17634099
China is not honest

[Anonymous No.17637329]

>>17633902
What books would cause you to be tracked?

[Anonymous No.17637341]

>>17634721
Brick and mortar stores. Pay with cash.

[Anonymous No.17637353]

>>17635457
I agree.
I'll add a somewhat tangential statement I was once told. Just because you are free to do something doesn't mean that you can ever possibly hope to do it. A random homeless has the liberty to stay at a Hilton hotel but it is with almost near certainty that they will never have the means to do so, and this is functionally equivalent with not having the right to stay there at all.

[Anonymous No.17637395]

>>17634960
Which exchanges are safe? I don't want to get banned just for purchasing the occasional Evola they print, even when there is no chance his politics will ever be realized.

[Anonymous No.17638403]

Bump

[Anonymous No.17638763]

>talking about how to avoid a watchlist

onto the watchlist you go

[Anonymous No.17638814]

>>17637395
You can pay Counter Currents with a money order.
Print out an order form and mail it to them.
I won't tell your mom.

[Anonymous No.17639580]

>>17635170
I think about this shit all the time. I don’t care if it’s autistic but when I look at things happening in the world today I try to imagine how it will be written in a history book or Wikipedia article by our ruling class, like “here’s how we toppled dictator trump with the help of the brave BLM protestors”

[Anonymous No.17640814]

>>17633902
No. The things that put you on a watchlist are joining shit like the American Communist Party, Antifa, and the obvious Anonymous and those group concerned about X Supremacy.
Buying dissident literature will not put you on a watchlist also as you can always say it is for academic or self development or so.

[Anonymous No.17640834]

>>17635099
>Honestly I wish any CIA agents here would just recruit me into their old-boys club
I have thought like this ever since I knew about the surveillance program. I just think it must be very funny to see what some anon is jerking off to for shits and giggles.
>>17637243
But you will if you're any kind of realist, you ding dong.

[Anonymous No.17640845]

>>17634549
I'm neither here nor there with either the BLM protests or Capitol rights, but I think it obvious that Big Daddy Government is going to be more concerned with fucking you up the ass when your particular protest involves entering their offices. Even if what was committed therein was (from what I saw) mostly harmless. Uncle Sam doesn't care if lowly Americans brutalize each other in the streets, but will sure as shit prosecute anybody waltzing into the DC living room.

[Anonymous No.17641283]

>>17637243
You'll just be kept impoverished and ostracized to the point that you'll be unable to live with any decency, which is much bette, right?

[Anonymous No.17641338]

>>17633902
Which books are we referring to? You can get free ebooks of pretty much anything. Manifestos, Mein Kampf, etc. Do you guys really think there’s going to be mass-bans? Or are you just being paranoid?

[Anonymous No.17641376]

>>17640814
Leftist unironically believe they are dissidents in the year of our lord 2021

[Anonymous No.17641415]

>>17634683
>socialist
you guys are morons. in the US, no one is out here putting people in gulags for not being socialists, and they're not going to start anytime soon.
being cancelled on twitter for being an insufficiently woke cartoonist or whatever is REALLY not equivalent to anything bad happening to the average citizen who gets dissident lit