/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17612428]

I'm watching the new Adam Curtis documentary and I just had this thought. What are some books to understand why we are where we are (politically, economically, ideologically) as a civilization and why can't we imagine something better or different?

[Anonymous No.17612499]

>>17612428
whats all that red paint on the floor

[Anonymous No.17612502]

>>17612499
It's rust. That was a water door.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17612517]

That came out in 2016, anon.

[Anonymous No.17612536]

>>17612517
I know. His new one just came out and it is called
Can't Get You Out of My Head (2021)

[Anonymous No.17612556]

That's a very broad question, but the documentary borrows most of its commentary (and even its title) from the works of Baudrillard. Serious, hypernormalisation comes from Baudrillard's notion of "hyperreality"

[Anonymous No.17612572]

>>17612536
is it any good anon?

[Anonymous No.17612574]

Every one of his many docs manages to explain everything there is

t. reddit

[Anonymous No.17612578]

>>17612556
The documentary in the OP pic not the one I'm watching, it's just that I like that one as well. I've introduced unnecessary confusion.
>We are living through strange days. Across Britain, Europe and America societies have become split and polarised. There is anger at the inequality and the ever growing corruption - and a widespread distrust of the elites. Into this has come the pandemic that has brutally dramatised those divisions. But despite the chaos, there is a paralysis - a sense that no one knows how to escape from this.
>Can’t Get You Out of My Head tells how we got to this place. And why both those in power - and we - find it so difficult to move on. At its heart is the strange story of what happened when people’s inner feelings got mixed up with power in the age of individualism. How the hopes and dreams and uncertainties inside people's minds met the decaying forces of old power in Britain, America, Russia and China. What resulted was a block not just in the society - but also inside our own heads - that stops us imagining anything else than this.

[Anonymous No.17612608]

>>17612572
I think so, yes, but I've only watched the first part so far. His narrative can be interpreted differently depending on your own position. He's clearly a liberal or libertarian of some kind. I think the most interesting thing about his documentaries is what he doesn't say.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17612618]

>>17612536
Oh okay, neat.

> and why can't we imagine something better or different?
We have. Lots of us. The old power structures are trying to control us and obscure the truth, so some people are still deluded (ala Matrix power-cods). There’s several fronts eating away at them and the walls will come crashing down soon.
The old money in Europe are calling for a reset, but their money can’t compete with bitcoin, so the second Great Depression starts off with a real crisis between elite’s fiat and next generations cyber money. Do we get that cyberspace purge Blade Runner 2041 depicted or do we get to drain the world’s military might?
Fun stuff.

[Anonymous No.17612640]

>>17612428
Where are we?

[Anonymous No.17612730]

>>17612428

[Anonymous No.17612731]

>>17612640
the end

[Anonymous No.17612750]

I've watched the first 3 episodes. There is a lot of "white people bad" tropes. 1 episode shows that Jews were giving housing to blacks in the UK during the 50/60s, when native britons would not, and that encouraged them to stay in the UK. What a totally anti-semitic documentary!

[Anonymous No.17612761]

>>17612750
i dont give a fuck about your nazi retardation

[Anonymous No.17612845]

>>17612517
I can name it: the leftist-liberal-nihilo-hedonic now. And you are one of its supporters and servants but you can't even see it.

-
There is no salvation but in the Oneness of God.

[Anonymous No.17612853]

Fisher Capitalist Realism for sure

[Anonymous No.17612875]

>>17612428
"Man. Energy. Society." by Earl Cook.
Also check or the writings of Charles Hughes Smith (you can sample some works at charleshughsmith.blogspot.com)

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17612912]

>>17612845
You don’t know what those words mean
Probably don’t understand what I stand for either.
Face the corner

[Anonymous No.17612929]

>>17612428
Oswald Spengler - Decline of the West

[Anonymous No.17612950]

>>17612761
You should. Once Europe and American dwindle of their founding stock, you're going to live in a violent and poor dystopia on par with South America, South Africa, and places like that. The dark races do not have the IQ or temperament of Europeans to construct societies worth living in. Your option will be the dystopia here or fleeing to Asia. Asians, though wealthy and capable, create very regimented, repressed, and authoritarian societies. Europe and the US are very likely to fall into ethnic warfare. All it takes is one serious bump to the system, such as hyperinflation (which we are heading to), and it's going to erupt.

[Anonymous No.17612960]

>>17612618
Does it name the disproportionate power of jews?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17612970]

>>17612960
Anon. It’s money. Not race. Clean your head out.

[Anonymous No.17612971]

>>17612428
Books on Neoliberalism

[Anonymous No.17613001]

>>17612428
http://mileswmathis.com/hyper.pdf
>We see that first in the title HyperNormalisation. My titleHyperAbnormalization is more accurate, isn't it? Have things gotten more normal in the past 50 years?No, they have gotten ever more abnormal. So why would Curtis lead with an upside-down title?Because you are going to be hung by your heels for two hours and forty-six minutes and he needs youto have the proper orientation from the start.

[Anonymous No.17613012]

>>17612517
thanks for posting trannyfly, looks good

[Anonymous No.17613023]

>>17612912
You post Nietzsche, Stirner and Epicurus, I know exactly what you are and you are the quintessence of what I described.

Repent. For your soul's sake please.

[Anonymous No.17613029]

>>17612970
>Anon. It’s money. Not race.
Exactly, it's money, and one race (the jews) has disproportionate control over money and uses that power to further its ethnic interests. That is how Jews actually gained influence in Europe and America, through money lending. Are you seriously going to pretend that Jews don't have a disproportionate presence in banking, media, academia, and key social institutions? That politicians don't have to swear allegiance to Jews through institutions like AIPAC? That Jews don't have powerful political organizations to attack anyone who dares question or criticize, heck even point out their power? Simply stating that the Jews are overrepresented in finance and the media will get you dubbed a conspiracy theorist or an anti-semite. You lefty twits may think race is not real, but the jews sure as hell do think it is, for them. They are the most racially conscious group on the planet, how do you think they have maintained their identity intact for thousands of years without a state or country of their own? They are rabid ethnics.

[Anonymous No.17613051]

>>17612428
For starters stop watching Curtis documentaries.
They seem interesting on the surface but are the equivalent of junk food.
He has no cohesive understanding of anything.
It's all fuzzy montage and "this reminds me of that" correlations.
Put out by the BBC ffs, you actually think there's profound truth in it?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17613075]

>>17613023
Liberals are not leftists.

>>17613029
Jews are not conspiring. Old wealth is.

[Anonymous No.17613094]

>>17613075
>Jews are not conspiring. Old wealth is.
Jews are old wealth. Jews are the most powerful class of rich elites currently. And it's not so much that they are "conspiring". It's simply in their political interest to weaken Europeans and empower other races at our expense.

[Anonymous No.17613101]

>>17613051
I think you really don't get the point of what he is doing. You're supposed to think about the issues and go read yourself.

[Anonymous No.17613105]

>>17613075
new wealth is conspiring. we can fit the jews and old wealth in there too and say "wealth is conspiring."

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17613110]

>>17613094
This is where your cart has flung off the rails.
Capitalism is failing because it’s shit and always has been. The elites aren’t falling for some Jewish plot, you Alex Jones watching turd.

[Anonymous No.17613115]

>>17612517
Literally the first good post I've seen this asshole make in like 10 years
Frankly I'm amazed

[Anonymous No.17613120]

>>17613110
Notice how you're straw-manning because you don't have a leg to stand on.

[Anonymous No.17613126]

>>17613094
>>17613120
You're a schizophrenic chasing red herrings

[Anonymous No.17613129]

I had a phase where I was really into his docs.

Then I kind of forgot and went back to these.

On a second watch I found most of the docs pretty meandering.

[Anonymous No.17613142]

>>17613075
Leftism as a label emerged in the French Revolution, wherein the Liberals were called The Left. The term is much older than Marxism.

[Anonymous No.17613156]

>>17613126
And you're a butthurt turd making ad hom attacks because you can't refute the fact that Jewish power and influence over the west is real and distinct from other elites in several ways. Instead you, like the other fag, are forced to try to explain it in blanket statements about "muh capitalism". Capitalism is being run by people, and jews have a lot of control over its direction.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17613171]

>>17613120
Notice how you twist the plain and simple facts to fit your paranoid racist plots.
Yes, of course some of the power elites are jewish. No, why would they engineer their downfall just in time to risk the ire of gorilla brained imbeciles like you trying to kill them again? No. They want that techno-utopia, with their class still in firm control.
Yes they want to invite all the races into their club, well some of them. They certainly have their racists too, but a lot of them are quite accepting. Of monied people that is. Your type are just pawns and they can’t wait for you all to die of cancer or kill each off so they don’t have to share anything with you. It’s simple imperious sociopathy. Not your cartoon villain race.

[Anonymous No.17613174]

>>17613110
>>17613075
>>17612970
>>17612912
>>17612618
>>17612517

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/how-to-kill-zombie-strategizing-end-of-neoliberalism/

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17613194]

>>17613174
Thanks. Looks nice

[Anonymous No.17613223]

>>17613171
>>17613120 #
>Notice how you twist the plain and simple facts to fit your paranoid racist plots
So I see you're going to misrepresent my position and argue in bad faith no matter what. I won't bother further. You know I'm right, you're simply constrained by your politics to accept it. To concede that Jews have disproportionate power in society, you'd have to concede genetic differences between races as well. Which you can't, since you think biology ends at the neck.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17613268]

>>17613223
Just read the book and let us know if you think the author says Jews dindo nuffing

[Anonymous No.17613378]

>>17613268
I will read it. I agree with the left on almost every issue, except race realism and Jews. Neoliberalism is a cancer that needs to be destroyed, but you've effectively ensured this will not happen by siding with the neoliberals.

[Anonymous No.17613397]

>>17612428
Bro you're living in one of the most politically active eras in recent history with ideologues from all sides wanting something better. Don't believe this affectless pseudo-philosophy

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17613403]

>>17613378
Deliberate misrepresentation out of spite?
I was only a progressive for a few years of my life. And they only indirectly side with neoliberals

[Anonymous No.17613405]

is buttersfly jewish? thankyou

[Anonymous No.17613409]

>>17613378
"race realism" and da j00z are schizophrenic nonsense. i dont want the mentally insane working with me. i would put a bullet in your head to be frank

[Anonymous No.17613413]

>>17612845
You can't see people past the age of 35 apparently.

[Anonymous No.17613415]

>>17613409
>da j00z

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17613417]

>>17613405
No, I’m just seriously sick of the dementia surrounding that brand of bigotry

[Anonymous No.17613420]

>>17612730
Lol

[Anonymous No.17613448]

>>17613397
We are never going to escape neoliberalism until there is a catastrophic event like an immense natural disaster or world war. Neoliberalism has effectively destroyed the left, it eats up lefties, adapts some of your ideas, and repurposes it, effectively robbing you of your revolutionary potential. There isn't a single corporation or billionaire alive today that doesn't agree with feminism, LGBTQ, or multi-racialism. The working class movement has been effectively destroyed and you've helped the corporations do it by supporting mass third world immigration. The mass presence low IQ third worlders completely crushes wages and crushes social relations between people. It's no wonder leaked Amazon documents show they want to increase diversity to destroy organized labour and create disunity between workers.

[Anonymous No.17613449]

>>17613029
This post is too good for this thread. I think even the leftists do know this but they'll never accept it, at least publically, because it has scary implications and they're spineless.

[Anonymous No.17613456]

>>17613417
bigotry is good though? if you can think of a better way to be a bigot, i'd love to hear it

[Anonymous No.17613457]

>>17613409
>"race realism" and da j00z are schizophrenic nonsense
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.17613460]

>>17612428
I was in the same boat you are in years ago when Hypo came out OP.

What really scratched my itch for more content of the sort was going for the individualism of our society.
Culture of Narcissism by Lasch really hit the spot.

I would then read in whatever order the lists on the Blind Pill charts I'm sure someone can post or you can find on here.

Do make sure to watch his mid 2000s docs as well, The Trap is a must and probably his most crafted.

[Anonymous No.17613464]

>>17613409
You're not going to do anything you fucking herd animal. All you people ever do is whine online.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17613465]

>>17613456
>bigotry is good though?
No.

[Anonymous No.17613469]

>>17613448
You prepared for the wrong argument m8. None of what you said actually means that people don't want something better or different
>you've helped the corporations
lol?

[Anonymous No.17613470]

>>17613075
>>17613142
Exactly. Leftism is just further left than liberalism. Its the same beast and your a complete fool to think otherwise, or your just deluding yourself to justify you nihilo-hedonism (which I'm sure is exactly the case.)

[Anonymous No.17613473]

>>17613465
>bigotry is good though?
Yes.

If that's a tranny I'm going to kms

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17613484]

>>17613470
Liberals want to free the markets
Socialists want to free people

Our ends may be vaguely similar, but our methods diverge.

[Anonymous No.17613487]

>>17613473
She's a Russian politician, you're good bro.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17613494]

>>17613473
No it isn’t (to both assertions)
Go and explain why bigotry is good

[Anonymous No.17613496]

>>17613473
that's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Poklonskaya you retard
as a sidenote, it's weird that he's a total cumbrain and posts women he wants to have sex with while simultaneously claiming to be a woman though. like, that's pretty masculine behavior don't you think?

[Anonymous No.17613499]

>>17613413
Pic related, but in jest. What do you mean? I feel like most post 35 year olds come under the hedonism aspect of what I said.

[Anonymous No.17613510]

>>17613496
Full attentionwhoring one way or another. You can pretty much just filter Butterfly though because that faggot never says anything of value, just dumb leftie boomer shit.

[Anonymous No.17613512]

>>17613499
>I feel like
Well there you go.

[Anonymous No.17613526]

>>17613469
>lol?
Who is proposing a radically different society? Communists are not taken seriously by anyone, even in the left commies are just a bunch of boomers.
How haven't you? You support and agitate for mass non-white immigration. There isn't a single lefty (apart from a few really old school boomer types on the fringes of the fringe) that is against continued non-white immigration. Non-white immigration helps nobody except the rich and powerful. It destroys wages and organized labour. It also stops the chances of any real socialist policies gaining traction because white people, who tend to be higher IQ and therefore more economically productive, don't want to give their money away to outsider ethnics, hence the white flight phenomenon and obsession with lowering taxes. Everyone knows higher taxes means more handouts to non-whites.

[Anonymous No.17613535]

>>17612428

Because we still believe in the legitimacy of the concept of government.

[Anonymous No.17613536]

>>17613526
>You support and agitate for mass non-white immigration.

No I don't :)

[Anonymous No.17613539]

>>17612428
There's a list discussed by the blog Samzdat that's right up your alley: James Scott's Seeing Like a State, Karl Polyani's The Great Transformation, Eric Hoffer's The True Believer, and Christopher Lasch's The Culture of Narcissism (tho really any of Lasch's books are worth digging into).

Here's Samzdat's series discussing them all:

https://samzdat.com/the-uruk-series/

Also relevant to your post, he discusses the theme of Curtis' HyperNormalisation in one post.

https://samzdat.com/2017/01/18/alex-jones-deleuze-and-dawkins-are-the-exact-same-person-not-really-about-hypernormalisation/

[Anonymous No.17613543]

>>17613484
No. Your thinking of what Bookchin called proprietarians, these anarcho capitalist types. (Again you self deceiving to try and justify your nihilo-hedonism.) The liberals want a market with a human face that is decently taxed so people can have benefits and shit- you know this but your deliberately obscuring narratives to suit and justify your agenda- seemingly to yourself.

Socialists want state (public) ownership of the means of production. Maybe anarchists want to free people, but its not going to happen anytime soon because we live in this paralysing nihilo-hedonic left leaning bubble where no one cares about anything except themselves.

>our methods.
Leftism doesn't even have praxis anymore. (Praxis is dead, consumed in the performativity of virtue signaling and naive, empty headed, youthful rebellious- these factors fuel each other.) Nihilo-hednoism has destroyed the modern subjects ability to think in the self sacrificial ways demanded of genuine praxis.

[Anonymous No.17613549]

>>17613526
You want to genocide non whites based on them not being white. You are psychotic and your goal is a non starter. All you care about is race and nothing else.

[Anonymous No.17613556]

I posted on /tv/ about it last week, but in short: Adam Curtis is just repeating the same things that he did in the previous docs, except this time it's just completely all over the place. Like, he gives an oral history of how every movement got undermined and ruined by the people in power, then he just tacks on the end a hopeful message for the future. It's just superfluous wankery. His older docs are better.

>>17613110
It's only starting, you fucking idiot. It's only starting.

[Anonymous No.17613557]

>>17613543
This, the herd animalization is strong. They're all just pacified consumers.

[Anonymous No.17613559]

>>17613536
The left largely does. And by the left here, I mean Liberal, centre-left, as well as socialists and commies. All the critical race theory stuff is coming from the leftist mileu.

[Anonymous No.17613560]

>>17613557
And you're mad because you're not pacified yet

[Anonymous No.17613562]

>>17613512
Way to avoid my question and cynically deny me the opportunity to learn. This is a big part of the problem we are facing. If you are in fact older. Older people seems unwilling to actually make the effort to inform he younger generation of their errors out of wha seems to be a nihilo-hendonic nexus of cynicism, hopelessness and laziness.

[Anonymous No.17613566]

>>17613549
Not him but there's no need to kill anyone, just send them back to their countries. Even the Jews would be welcomed with open arms by Israel.

[Anonymous No.17613570]

>>17613566
>their countries
What about the non white people whose families have lived there for generations and know no other place?

[Anonymous No.17613571]

>>17613562
Ok, here's some advice: don't base your cultural analysis on your feelings. I can't do much to debate your feelings

[Anonymous No.17613575]

>>17613570
Reconnect them with their roots, but honestly not my problem and they are after all a minority. Sorry if you're one of them.

[Anonymous No.17613580]

>>17613575
This is why your ideology will never succeed and will gain no appeal outside of genocidal racists. You deny the humanity of non white people.

[Anonymous No.17613582]

>>17613559
I'm sure those immigrants can imagine something better.

[Anonymous No.17613586]

>>17613575
Let's send all white Americans back to Europe. That would solve the immigration problem of non-whites

[Anonymous No.17613589]

>>17613549
>You want to genocide non whites based on them not being white
I don't want to genocide anyone, you're insane for thinking that. But I know this is the fear lefties have in the back of their mind about accepting the reality of HBD/race realism.
>if we accept that one race has lower intelligence than another, then we will end up genociding that race
It's a total strawman. Sure, you could draw that conclusion, if you're insane, or you also do paid repatriation or grant land.

[Anonymous No.17613590]

>>17613575
>honestly not my problem
well they would be a problem for any white nationalist regime. youd have to deal with it in practice.

[Anonymous No.17613596]

>>17613589
>total strawman
Is it really when you look at what has been done historically in the name of these ideas or what their adherents espouse regularly on this very website?

[Anonymous No.17613599]

>>17613580
You're still thinking in the way of mass appeal and democracy, but that's a rigged game you can't win unless you're a rich corporate neolib.

Anyway I don't deny their humanity I deny them the "right" to live around white people. They can go live with their own.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17613606]

>>17613543
>Socialists want state
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
State socialists are boneheads who have failed to deliver. You can call them liberals if you want, I don’t care, but what they’re doing is not working. The original purpose, ends, are a *socialist* revolution, not a state “revolution” which is just a coup. It is a longer process and appropriately enough, more all encompassing.

>>17613556
Like crypto? Of we can avoid an extinction event and if we can keep computers running?
But seriously, are you a bitcoiner? I have some questions if you can answer.

[Anonymous No.17613607]

>>17613599
What if their own are other Americans, or British, or French or whatever because that's the country they've lived in their whole lives and where their families are? In your eyes these people should be forced to leave where they live for a ghetto or somewhere outside the country because of a racist policy.

[Anonymous No.17613608]

>>17613557
Indeed. Personally I not poltical either. Hence why I said above (>>17612845) theres no salvation except the Lord. >>17613560
I see why people can get made. Human greed, igonrance, lust, hednoism, laziness and unwillingness to learn are destroying this beautiful garden we've been given to tend.
I have to trust in God though otherwise I'm pretty sure I would go mad.

[Anonymous No.17613614]

>>17613586
I'm European but America was built from the ground up by white people.

>>17613590
>>17613607
They can go leech off another country if they have no roots, which is why I don't see it as my problem.

[Anonymous No.17613615]

>>17613571
Your still avoiding the essence of my statement. I both feel and understand rationally that an underlying hedonism is to blame for a lot of our problems. You just did the same thing again that I criticise the older generation for in this post: >>17613562

[Anonymous No.17613617]

>>17613614
You're missing the point. Their roots are in that country. You are denying them their humanity and right to live where they've lived for generations because they don't fit into your romanticized worldview of what Europe should be.

[Anonymous No.17613618]

>>17613614
Yes good goy, you should pay for the mass emmigration of non-whites

[Anonymous No.17613625]

>>17613617
his point is he doesnt care. they are inferior and dont belong there.

[Anonymous No.17613626]

>>17613582
Not in their countries they can't, which is why they flee to ours, but if enough of them come here and gain poltical power, they'll turn our countries into theirs.
There are countless examples of this happening. South Africa is one. While I don't condone colonialism, I think it was immoral and a huge mistake, South Africa was, under whites, a relatively prosperous country in Africa. It had markers close to other European countries, such as average life expectancy and crime rates. Now it has one of the worst murder rates in the world, one of the highest corruption ratings, and other markers of a third world nation. What was the change? Whites lost control of society, they gave it to blacks and they have ruled the country since Apartheid ended. Same thing happened in Rhodesia. Same thing happened in Detroit, Chicago, and other cities. In Europe, there's going to be the added problem of Islam (which is a political ideology as well as a religion), which we luckily don't have in the US.

[Anonymous No.17613630]

>>17613626
>>17613625
Your ideology has no theoretical grounding or serious basis, it's built on prejudice, fear, hate, and ethnic cleansing. It's built on maintaining racial caste divisions and oppressing people based on race. This will never be reconcilable with the left.

[Anonymous No.17613632]

>>17613617
Their roots are not. And again I don't deny their humanity I just don't think they have the right to live around us. Or rather we have the right to decide who may live in our countries at our side.

[Anonymous No.17613633]

>>17613617
>You are denying them their humanity and right to live where they've lived for generations
they aren't human though?

[Anonymous No.17613640]

>>17613632
They don't have the right to live around you in your eyes because of their race. You want to remove people from their home based solely on them being another race rather than a rational reason.

>Or rather we have the right to decide who may live in our countries at our side.
Great, what about the people who disagree with white nationalists? Do they not have a say? White nationalism is a fringe view, so maybe the people want more immigrants

[Anonymous No.17613642]

>>17613606
>State socialists are boneheads who have failed to deliver.
Again your self deceiving and picking your narrative to try and justify your nihilo-hedonism. The state socialists are the only socialists who have ever delivered anything lasting. Everything has capitulated and you know this as well and I think its sad that you try to carry this extinguished torch and I beg you to repent for the sake of your eternal soul.
Your using the classic "that wasn't real socialism" argument and its pathetically infantile and sad. I beg you to seriously reconsider your perspectives.

Repent and pray sincerely for guidance and the one Father of forgiveness will not abandon your soul.

[Anonymous No.17613644]

>>17613630
>reee your ideology is based on bad emotions and bad things whereas mine is based on good emotions, facts and logic
Democracy was a mistake, some people really just don't have a mind for it.

[Anonymous No.17613645]

>>17613626
This is turning into a conversation I'm not really interested in having because it is too vague and not at all related to the point of white societies not wanting something better. Are you not part of white society? You clearly want change.

[Anonymous No.17613647]

>>17613596
The historical argument doesn't really hold water, since we are in a different era. Most of the people thinking in these circles want peaceful segregation in the US, such as by giving whites or blacks their own land and then separating as political entities, but still trading and doing economic activity. Nobody wants mass slaughter or war.
And this is 4chan, people say edgy shit they don't believe.

[Anonymous No.17613652]

>>17613644
Would rather live in a democracy than a totalitarian hellscape that seeks to enforce racial purity to satisfy some incel's wet dream
>>17613642
>Christian nutjob
Post ignored

[Anonymous No.17613659]

>>17613652
i would rather put people like you against a wall

[Anonymous No.17613661]

>>17613640
Removing them based on their race is rational. And yeah that's how it is now because rich corporate neolibs want cheap labour and can make you adapt any stance they want you to.

[Anonymous No.17613663]

>>17613617
Their roots are in their country of origin. Even if they did grow up here. Many of these immigrants even identify with their countries of origin very strongly.

[Anonymous No.17613667]

>>17613661
>judging individuals by averages is rational

[Anonymous No.17613671]

>>17613652
Yes I know you would rather live in a democracy I just don't really care. Vote however you like, it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.17613674]

>>17613663
Come on man you know neolib corporations brainwash them into the same international cosmopolitanism as whites

[Anonymous No.17613676]

>>17613645
I want something better, but it's not possible with the delusions of multiculturalism and multiracialism.

[Anonymous No.17613678]

>>17613661
No it isn't. Removing them based on race is purely emotionally driven.

[Anonymous No.17613683]

>>17613667
Judging groups by averages, yes. If an individual is above the norm that's great, I'm sure they will be a good asset when they return to their country.

[Anonymous No.17613685]

>>17613683
Maybe you could be a good asset back on /pol/

[Anonymous No.17613687]

>>17613614
>America was built from the ground up by white people.
Haha.
>What is the antlantic slave trade¿
>who drained the swamps
>who laid the railways
Smfh mate honestly

[Anonymous No.17613690]

>>17613678
Not him, but it's entirely rational.
If you accept that some races have lower average intelligence and have temperments that make it impossible for the vast majority of them to create good societies, then not wanting them there is entirely a rational proposition.

[Anonymous No.17613689]

>>17613683
Deporting a high performing citizen based on their race and nothing else is highly irrational.

[Anonymous No.17613693]

>>17613690
What an egregious misuse of the idea of the rational

[Anonymous No.17613696]

>>17613690
I don't accept that, because that basis is not accurate and is an assumption based on prejudice.

[Anonymous No.17613700]

>>17613693
How so? It's rational conclusion drawn from scientific, imperical data.

[Anonymous No.17613708]

>>17613678
People are swayed by emotional appeals far too often, don't pretend like it's rational for them to be here in the first place. It only benefit those who want cheap labour while negatively affecting social cohesion with tribalism etc.

Sending them back seems entirely rational.

[Anonymous No.17613710]

>>17613700
no it isnt, race "science" is considered fringe and inaccurate by the vast majority of science. the most common cited figures for racial iq come from the bell curve, which wasnt peer reviewed and was based on faulty methodology

[Anonymous No.17613712]

>>17613700
Is that why you're so unwilling to commit to your argument? 'some races' 'vast majority' etc? It's rhetoric. I suggest you do some basic research into what rational and logical arguments actually are. There's no room for suggestion

[Anonymous No.17613716]

>>17613689
The loss of the few high performing citizens is outweighed by getting rid of the rest. I'm no fan of brain drain or whatever it's called in the US anyway, the best and brightest should care for their people, not for personal gain in foreign countries.

[Anonymous No.17613717]

>>17613708
>seems

People are surprisingly honest in their text.

[Anonymous No.17613720]

>>17613696
IQ tests show blacks have the lowest average IQ out of all the races. This has held across multiple studies, across countries and time periods.
Blacks commit more violent crimes than any other races. Again, holds across time and place.
Black's have never created a society worth living in, and we can see the real time deterioration of previous majority white or white controlled places once whites left or lost power.
I know you will attribute this so some socioeconomic factor or slavery or whatever, but it doesn't hold water when you consider how Asians, Indians, and Jews, who were either colonised or mistreated in a similar manner, actually out compete white Europeans in the same metrics.

[Anonymous No.17613725]

>>17613716
It's mind-boggling how ahistorical this line of thinking is

[Anonymous No.17613727]

>>17613720
Woops how did we go from immigrants in general to blacks? I think you just exposed yourself buddy

[Anonymous No.17613732]

>>17613716
This is also something lefties are responsible for, ironically. By ensuring the best and brightest travel to Europe or the US, their countries of origin get brain drained, remain poor and are easier for mega corporations to exploit. Effectively creates an imbalance around the world, with all the smartest and richest people in one part of the world exploiting the rest. Our solution would ensure that those countries regained their smartest and most productive people and could therefore rise out of poverty.

[Anonymous No.17613736]

>>17613732
I'd rather the smartest just form their own society and genocide the rest of the world's population. It's the only rational solution

[Anonymous No.17613739]

>>17613710
>the most common cited figures for racial iq come from the bell curve, which wasnt peer reviewed and was based on faulty methodology
Totally false anon. The bell curve isn't even the main source and the studies mentioned in it were peer reviewed.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17613741]

>>17613642
>picking your narrative
Historical facts, anon. The First International was a real thing.
You’re a historical nihilist

[Anonymous No.17613742]

>>17613727
Why does it matter? It's the simplest example.

[Anonymous No.17613743]

>>17613710
Not him (shouldn't have to say this but I don't want to get tripped up by something said by another), the cowardice of academics doesn't really change the empirical facts.

>captcha wants me to highlight bicycles
>don't click because it's a motorcycle
>wants me to highlight crosswalk
>the picture isn't a crosswalk
>have to do a bunch of other ones after because the robot thinks I'm wrong

[Anonymous No.17613750]

>>17613736
Go ahead, it'll be mostly whites and asians anyway.

[Anonymous No.17613754]

>>17613736
China will do it, assuming they maintain their current political ideology, and it's going to be easy for them.

[Anonymous No.17613759]

>>17613742
That's just the trouble of rhetoric. You're talking about immigrants in general but in the back of your mind you're thinking about blacks and that's the way you're interpreting every response. I don't care either way but it's probably better for you to be aware of this kind of thing when it's going on.

[Anonymous No.17613763]

>>17613754
Incredibly based. Must be those Mongolian genes from their conquest

[Anonymous No.17613772]

>>17613759
I used one set of immigrants to make my case. I could do the same with others.

[Anonymous No.17613778]

>>17613750
Then allow for merit based immigration policy that rewards the most qualified if you believe that this will end up resulting in mostly whites (or Asians) instead of blanketly banning an entire race of people or deporting those who already are legally citizens of the country based solely on race. The merit based policy would reward the most qualified, and if you believe in racial IQ differences then you would think this would result in mostly whites anyway but it would also allow for intelligent skilled people of all races that can benefit the country in some way. Why are white nationalists against merit based immigration in favor of racially driven policy though? Do they perhaps fear deep down that they may be outcompeted and outnumbered by certain non white immigrants?

[Anonymous No.17613788]

>>17613741
The first international did nothing, you know it, I know it, everyone with half a brain knows it.

[Anonymous No.17613792]

>>17613772
You(?) were talking about neolibs, I'm not sure that's relevant to blacks brought over in the slave trade. In any case this becomes less and less rational given the level of ambiguity

[Anonymous No.17613794]

>>17613652
>Christian
wrong. xtianity is an idolatrous, heretical schism through which worship of man and power is allowed to flow into the world.

[Anonymous No.17613797]

>>17613763
Looking forward to the coming decade. I wonder if the actions of China will also be blamed on white people somehow.

>>17613778
I've addressed this in posts already but tribalism, lack of social cohesion etc and I think the best of all races should work for their own people.

[Anonymous No.17613799]

Can you faggots talk about books on topic to the op now

[Anonymous No.17613803]

>>17613797
I disagree with you because I think we should focus on maximizing our economic potential and allowing the most skilled and qualified people regardless of race to move to the country. I believe you are motivated by fear of the other and romanticist nationalist mysticism

[Anonymous No.17613805]

>>17613797
>I think the best of all races should work for their own people.

Do you think the best of the white race has erroneously worked to develop the cultures of lesser races, but have failed? Why has the white race caused the two bloodiest conflicts in human history within itself? If Russians are white, why is their murder rate so high?

[Anonymous No.17613807]

>>17613792
I was talking about neolibs, not sure if that guy was but I'm European and we've got politicians bringing in Africans with the expectation of them being doctors and engineers etc, I don't give a fuck about the slave trade, but the blacks in the US should be sent to Africa.

[Anonymous No.17613808]

>>17612608
he would backhand you for calling him a liberal i think

[Anonymous No.17613811]

>>17613803
>fear of the other and romanticist nationalist mysticism
you're motivated by a lie that we are all the same, invented by rich capitalists for personal benefit

[Anonymous No.17613813]

>>17613778
Multiculturalism destroys social bonds. This is a proven phenomenon. People self-segregate and social trust is lowered. How is it rational for me to want to lower social trust in my society?

[Anonymous No.17613822]

>>17613811
I disagree. My experiences with people of other races have led me to believe that whites are not inherently superior or that they are fundamentally different beyond culture. There are qualified individuals of all races cultures etc and we should reward those who are most capable rather than believing in the delusion of racial superiority and chauvinism as you do. You are driven by hatred and intolerance rather than reason, experience, or fact.

[Anonymous No.17613823]

>>17613805
>If Russians are white, why is their murder rate so high?
Unironically communism. Communism completely destroyed Russia.

[Anonymous No.17613825]

>>17613803
If by fear you mean concern for the well-being of my country then yes. I really don't think we should sacrifice everything just to maximise economic potential though because I'm not a materialist jew.

[Anonymous No.17613826]

>>17613813
Multiculturalism destroys social bonds amongst brainlets. Simply remove the brainlets.

[Anonymous No.17613828]

>>17613823
What of the other soviet republics? If white society can be ruined by a political imposition, what does that say about race? Can the opposite happen?

[Anonymous No.17613830]

>>17613805
Don't really care about how we may have erred in the past. Just want a brighter future.

[Anonymous No.17613831]

>>17613803
Not him, but there is more to life than being a bugman consumer whose sole interest is raising the GDP.

[Anonymous No.17613835]

>>17613825
There is nothing being sacrificed by living around people who look different than you.

[Anonymous No.17613837]

>>17613835
Yes there is because it's about more than looks. Don't fall for your own strawman in thinking it's just about skin color.

[Anonymous No.17613843]

>>17613837
Like what? Muh nation and muh pure white culture of course. Romanticist drivel that holds back progress.

[Anonymous No.17613844]

>>17613837
I don't know how you're going to deport all the non-whites if you're not going by skin colour. Mass DNA tests? Civic proficiency tests would probably be cheaper and less intrusive

[Anonymous No.17613851]

>>17613826
It does among everyone. Read Putnam. You can see it yourself everyday, just look at how divided society is. Extremism is on the rise, conspiracy theories, massive distrust in politicians. The BLM riots of 2020 encapsulated the future we are heading to.

[Anonymous No.17613854]

>>17613843
I'm not a fan of what you're progressing towards so holding back YOUR progress is a positive for me.

[Anonymous No.17613855]

>>17613851
the blm riots were overexaggerated by conservative media and were irrelevant hysteria. theres protests all the time about some issue and always has been

[Anonymous No.17613856]

>>17613835
Wrong
See
>>17613851

[Anonymous No.17613860]

>>17613843
We haven't progressed, if you haven't noticed, we are steadily declining.

[Anonymous No.17613862]

>>17613860
according to whom?

[Anonymous No.17613863]

>>17613851
There are a lot more variables at play than simply multiculturalism. Those issues were prevalent in the 60s as well before mass immigration. Unless you're just talking about blacks in which case I have no idea what you mean by multiculturalism and we can't have a valuable discussion.

[Anonymous No.17613869]

>>17613860
Everyone's still pretty comfortable despite everything that has rocked the liberal world since 1945. Ironically the group most affected by any sort of decline is non-whites.

[Anonymous No.17613875]

>>17613862
look outside bro

[Anonymous No.17613879]

>>17613855
>overexaggerated
>biggest riots in decades
>murder rate jumped through the roof
>estimated 2 billion dollars of damage
All for a violent criminal junky.

[Anonymous No.17613883]

>>17613863
Read Putnam.

[Anonymous No.17613884]

>>17613879
source: glenn beck the blaze and tucker carlson tonite

[Anonymous No.17613895]

>>17613883
I wish I was intellectually dishonest enough to read one book and treat it as though it is the truth because it supports some conclusion I reached somewhat independently. It must be pretty fun

[Anonymous No.17613907]

>>17613884
Not that guy but you americans always surprise me in how ignorant you are even of your own country.

Your masters don't care though because as long as they can get their candidate in office it's all worth it. As long as it doesn't affect them directly they don't care about the costs.

Related: https://archive.is/0RH6S

[Anonymous No.17613920]

>>17613907
Damn, Rodney King riots putting in work. 30 years ago and almost eclipses 20 states' worth of damage... in one city! Where was all the declining and expensive riots between then and now? Thanks (((insurance industry))) for these empirical facts and straight science

[Anonymous No.17613928]

all this stuff is very quaint. we're living thru a period where the ruling class openly tell us they're doing away with the old system and bringing in something new (one with less freedoms but more equality, allegedly)

[Anonymous No.17613930]

>>17613920
The costs to the insurance industry doesn't matter, it's the scale. The affect it has on peoples lives, but you might not care about that if you're a GDP-chasing bugman.

[Anonymous No.17613935]

>>17613895
You can read his articles, which summarise different studies.

[Anonymous No.17613938]

>>17613928
[screams internally]

[Anonymous No.17613943]

>>17613935
I'll make sure to tell the ruling class to read Putnam so they know that multiculturalism undermines trust in politicians

[Anonymous No.17613950]

>>17613884
The telegraph, reuters, FEE, WSJ, and axios, actually. You do also realize there were thousands of videos?

[Anonymous No.17613951]

>>17613930
Indeed. I like how you went with the upper estimate of the cost of damage as though there is little difference between 1 and 2 billion

[Anonymous No.17613956]

>>17613950
Yeah unfortunately there were no camera phones in 1992

[Anonymous No.17613957]

>>17613943
They already know, which is why they are hell bent on trying to integrate them. But it won't work. The elites have ensured their own destruction.

[Anonymous No.17613959]

>>17613957
o_O

[Anonymous No.17613960]

>>17613951
Wasn't me that said $2B.

[Anonymous No.17613962]

>>17613174
>>17613194
here we have the radical Butterfly, thanking someone for posting an OpenDemocracy link to an article by the ever-cringe Mark Fisher. Who are OpenDemocracy?
>funded by the Charles Stewart Mott Foundation among other organisations, including the Open Society Foundation, the Ford Foundation and Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust

the ruling class are eagerly pushing the notion that we must abandon the current system we call capitalism, yet some fools still think we're run by old timey free marketeers, it's bizarre. nothing these radicals believe is in any way antithetical to what the ruling class believe and want for us.

the wealthiest people aren't ideological capitalists, they don't want "free competition", they want to win. and after they win they want to make sure no one else take their power from them. the capitalist stage is over.

[Anonymous No.17613965]

>>17613943
Why do you think the elites are so obsessed with promoting race relation stuff like diversity quotas, special handouts, etc, etc?

[Anonymous No.17613975]

>>17613959
Once the darkies have enough political power in the west, they will try to take over and repurpose the society for themselves.

[Anonymous No.17613982]

>>17613965
Omg they're trying to brainwash minorities into acting like whites

[Anonymous No.17613984]

>>17613975
Even us intelligent whites couldn't wrest control from the eternal jew, I don't think lesser races will be more successful especially when they're all competing amongst themselves

[Anonymous No.17614003]

>>17613984
It's going to descend into uncontrollable violence.

[Anonymous No.17614007]

>>17614003
May the best race win

[Anonymous No.17614027]

>>17612950
This guy gets it.

[Anonymous No.17614029]

>>17612950
Literally Hitler

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17614038]

>>17613962
I think, or thought, that was just an opening quote. No, I did not check the whole thing out, so thanks for the leg work. But now let me clarify, I don’t think the power elites are the freemarketeers. They’re the freelunch socialism for the rich austerity for the working class.
So you believe there’s a hidden socialist cabal pulling strings to get us off capitalism? Weirder than the lizard people conspiracy.
> the wealthiest people aren't ideological capitalists, they don't want "free competition", they want to win. and after they win they want to make sure no one else take their power from them. the capitalist stage is over.
Ah, this makes more sense. I agree

[Anonymous No.17614117]

>>17614038
Just an aside: how do you reckon you'll like your skin being burnt off and regrown and burnt off for eternity butterfly?

[Anonymous No.17614136]

>>17614038
>So you believe there’s a hidden socialist cabal pulling strings to get us off capitalism?
remove the word socialist and sure. i guess that makes me a schizo, surely the ruling class don't have shared interests and plan ahead. i should take my meds.

>Ah, this makes more sense. I agree
if you accept that capitalism is nearing its end (thanks covid), you'd also accept that the vocabulary and discourse used by so-called anti-establishment types is neutered and outdated. using the language they do, everything they express they want, the ruling class agrees with. how they envision it may be different (i.e. with them on top and owning everything) but the crucial point remains that with their current vocab all radicals can do is seemingly agree with them, and that's why dupes like Fischer get published by the Ford/Soros Foundation and Curtis by the BBC.

And it doesn't help that most of them have been dragged into a reactionary culture war where each side believes what the other side doesn't believe and vice versa. "If chuds think Bill Gates and totalitarian lockdowns are bad, then I'll defend them to my dying breath." As a consequence all the political back on forth i read on here is just so quaint and irrelevant, it's like some self-righteous fool in a victorian factory yelling "down with the aristocracy!". and because of the stupid reactionary culture war the other guys in the factory have no recourse but to disagree by yelling, "long live the aristocracy!"

[Anonymous No.17614143]

>>17614136
>As a consequence all the political back on forth i read on here is just so quaint and irrelevant, it's like some self-righteous fool in a victorian factory yelling "down with the aristocracy!". and because of the stupid reactionary culture war the other guys in the factory have no recourse but to disagree by yelling, "long live the aristocracy!"
Tell me about it. Last 4 years of American politics has been this.

[Anonymous No.17614153]

>>17613171
It's a covenant. The Jewish factor is so important because Judaism is the tech that keeps their body functioning. It's a hierarchical order of a specific mentality from a specific spirit. You funnily enough are within this order and proliferate their cause without knowing you do. Ironic you calling the other poster a pawn.
Sociopathy is a function of the Judaic tech. This is why you get manufactured empathy, disgust, love, etc. Phantoms, retarded copies of human traits gifted to the cattle. Sociopathy allows liberation (hint: damnation) from humanity to sway those of a non Judaic spirit.
There;s a much larger game at play here.

[Anonymous No.17614158]

>>17612428
>rejects God and becomes a tranny
>w-why is our civilization so awful?

[Anonymous No.17614552]

>>17612618
>The old money in Europe are calling for a reset, but their money can’t compete with bitcoin
Retard. I have been following bitcoin for years and it will never replace anything. It's slow, expensive and wasteful. The team behind BTC has no interest in scaling it so it will remain as such. It's also highly manipulated because the crypto market is not regulated.
It's only good for buying low and selling high to a greater fool which is what I do.

[Anonymous No.17614642]

>>17614153
schizo

[Anonymous No.17614753]

>>17614153
>>17614642
Yes schizo. Its not a thing about judaism, its a thing about greed, the jews that aren't just happened to be smarter that the rest because as a people they have been studying a fuck tonne for centuries, the ones that have lost their faith are particularly damaging. This is not judaism's fault as a religion or spirituality, its a problem of human greed and idiocy, of the nihilo-hedonic framework [which can also be thought of as idolism in a basic sense- venerating or worshipping anything created as opposed to the creator.

[Anonymous No.17614788]

>>17612950
and that's a good thing
and here's why...

[Anonymous No.17614893]

>>17612950
Based and redpilled.

[Anonymous No.17614900]

>>17613075
>liberals are not leftists

Why can't you understand that words change their meaning overbtime? You retards seem to understand this when it comes to the term "conservatives" but not when it comes to "leftists"

[Anonymous No.17614907]

>>17612572
hypernorm is stylishly better, this one has more a bitter lake feel to it: better narrative, but less appealing in visual and audio terms

[Anonymous No.17614928]

>>17612960
there's a jewish landlord renting cheap to immigrants in the UK narrative and why he's hated by the community for that, and also a MalcomX-esque direct naming of the Jew when he talks about Black Power groups in the 70's America

[Anonymous No.17614955]

>>17612517
Just looked this book up and it looks epic. Thanks Butterfly.

[Anonymous No.17614961]

Risk society by Ulrich Beck.

It informed curtis' "world leaders are only concerned with managing risk and no longer have any idea for a better society " idea.

[Anonymous No.17615139]

>>17612950
there's still many european countries that have no issue with ethnic diversity (and are not going to have soon because they lack appeal to immigrants)

[Anonymous No.17615176]

>>17612428
plenty of people have imagined things that are better or different, but there is a lot of work put into suppressing and trying to discredit their ideas.

[Anonymous No.17615276]

>>17612428
HyperNormalisation came across as pleb tier gatekeeping and misdirection.
I can't say I feel all that enthusiastic about committing myself to 3 and a half hours more of that sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.17615331]

>>17613075
>Jews are not conspiring. Old wealth is.

Old wealth has been conspiring on its own since forever. The City of London Corporation is nearly a thousand years old.
However Jews have also constituted shadow government-like, just a lot later, individuals started accumulating power at the end of the 19th and associated with existing power structures until Israel was formed and could become a crucible for all those interests to turn to.
The biggest joke of this timeline is that the Protocols weren't true about Jews at the time they were written, but could apply 100% to the City of London Corporation, but almost immediatly it *also* became true of certain groups of Jewish people and now it is almost absolutely impossible for people to understand properly that the real OG evil kid raping wealth stealing conglomerate isn't DA JOOS, but the Anglos. (with the caveat that the Catholic Church was actually the real OG one, but because of some other factors couldn't fully embrace their own nature).

[Anonymous No.17615390]

>>17614961

[Anonymous No.17616269]

>>17612536
So anyone watched it yet?

[Anonymous No.17616309]

>>17612517
ok this post passes, you did it, congrats, you can stop using your tripcode and posting forever now

[Anonymous No.17616402]

>>17614642
>>17614753
Sorry guys! Forgot to take my meds today.

>nihilo-hedonic framework
?
>humans, greedy fuckers and idiots to boot!
Cool.
>idolatry sucks
Sick.

Back to the mental hospital for me and back to elementary school for you!

[Anonymous No.17616466]

>>17613617
now do israel
oh wait

[Anonymous No.17616481]

>>17612428
Adam Curtis is just edgy enough that he's allowed to be played on the BBC but he's not some major redpill like people shill him as.

[Anonymous No.17616488]

>>17613075
>Jews aren't "Old wealth"

[Anonymous No.17616500]

>>17616481
Adam Curtis shows you the upper limit of what cosmopolitan elites are willing to entertain or think.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17616806]

>>17616488
>The queen of England is Jewish
>Vatican City is full of Jews

>>17615331
My aim is to focus on the actual problem. Which is the system, and not a race/religion that christians have been scapegoating for centuries

>>17614900
Yes they change. And liberals are no longer what the world considers leftist. In every country they’re rightwing market fundies

>>17614552
It isn’t slow for people with access to a computer. Apparently helping Nigeria and Indonesia. Faster and easier than their currency. It isn’t commonly used money now, but when the dollar tanks and the depression sets in...

>>17614136
>all radicals
The ones the media shows you anyway. Yes, much confusion going on. I only glanced at the article

[Anonymous No.17617215]

>>17616806
>old scot nobles claim they are jewish
>who manages vatican city finance
>focus on actual problem which is the system
who makes the system

liberals still are considered 'leftist'. right/left current paradigm practically only denotes social leanings.
btc is very slowly becoming a dinosaur. crypto is the future. btc? doubtful. also was likely created by intel so dont be so quick to think itll be the saviour.

>>17615331 this dude is right i guess
its the anglos. rotties are anglos masquerading as jews. jew doesn't just equal ethnic. no matter what one thinks of e michael jones his idea of the jewish revolutionary spirit is ingenious and ideally would be the framework for how we define 'jew'.

[Anonymous No.17617234]

>>17612428
read yarvin

[Anonymous No.17617264]

>>17612618
>The old money in Europe are calling for a reset, but their money can’t compete with bitcoin, so the second Great Depression starts off with a real crisis between elite’s fiat and next generations cyber money. Do we get that cyberspace purge Blade Runner 2041 depicted or do we get to drain the world’s military might?
is this the lefty version of Q

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17617276]

>>17617215
>Vatican City IS run by Jews!
Hahah
>who makes the system
You mean made the system. But it doesn’t matter. Who unmakes it? Quite a lot of jews would like to unmake it too. Help them.
>Liberals
You don’t know what that even means
>crypto
I donno what will happen there, but I doubt your accusation is accurate.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17617286]

>>17617264
It’s open speculation about the facts before us.

[Anonymous No.17617341]

>>17616806
you should actually read it.

[Anonymous No.17617403]

>>17613803
Yes, that is the corporatist worldview.

[Anonymous No.17617465]

>>17617276
you didn't grasp what i was getting at. they are of the same spirit.
vatican has been infiltrated can this be disputed? the old order is long perished.
what presupposes a system? the people who enforce it. bizarre you discredit categories we can use to describe such people
>plenty joos unmake help them
alright ill sign up tomorrow
>dont know what liberal means
alright, define it
>i donno but i doubt your accusation is accurate
ye im speculating because tech is monopolised

[Anonymous No.17617474]

>>17616269
I'm on part 5. Its a massive bombardment of info

[Anonymous No.17617502]

>>17612428
"Where we are" implies there has been any social development or any progress on the road to a better or worse future.

This is one of the biggest misconceptions in many critical ideologies.

Don't let those technological trinkets fool you.
If you take a look at older literature, you will realize we aren't really much different than a thousand years ago.

[Anonymous No.17617538]

>>17613803
Suck corporate cock harder

[Anonymous No.17617543]

>>17612950
Sad but true
>Jews are not conspiring. Old wealth is.
Both are conspiring against you you dense

[Anonymous No.17617586]

>>17612950
>muh hyperinflation
stop letting memes do your thinking for you

[Anonymous No.17617603]

>>17613001
did he even watch the doc? hypernormalization specifically means "aggressively pretending that everything is fine as it grows increasingly fucked"

[Anonymous No.17617611]

>>17617586
It's just one example. George Floyd's death erupted into a massive ethnic conflict (which is what it was), in part, because of the lockdowns caused by the meme virus. Imagine if covid was substantially more dangerous.

[Anonymous No.17617646]

>>17614907
the entirity of episode 5 was the best constructed joke of all time

[Anonymous No.17617679]

>>17617611
floyds death was manufactured by intel.
how do we know this? media coverage and promotion, protest protections.
its part of the meme virus. mythos building

[Anonymous No.17617822]

>>17617679
>media coverage and promotion, protest protections.
It's in the interest of elites to placate blacks, and giving them media attention and crumbs is one way to do that.

[Anonymous No.17617858]

>>17617822
they could be placated easier and more effectively by force. what has happened since the 1960s is effectively molding them into a weaponized population. simple divide and conquer

[Anonymous No.17617869]

>>17613626
south africa and rhodesia were british colonies, anon. SA only existed for 33 years under apartheid as an independent country and rhodesia just 14. it's not hard to see that both periods were just the regions coasting off the momentum of empirebux. it's disingenuous to pretend like either were built as autonomous white homelands. rhodesia in particular is closer to a classical utopian intentional community scheme and vanished in about the same amount of time it takes most communes to fall apart

[Anonymous No.17617889]

>>17613642
>implying domesticated socialist policies weren't a deliberate concession to keep the population from turning to hard marxism-leninism

[Anonymous No.17617910]

>>17613805
are you talking about ethnic russians or "russians" in the sense of russia as the remnants of an imperial superstate that included numerous non-slavic ethnicities?

[Anonymous No.17617915]

>>17613823
>first into space
>

[Anonymous No.17617916]

>>17617869
Anon, the Boers went to what is now SA hundreds of years ago and created a country out of a patch of dirt. The British Empire didn't gain control until much later. By that time SA was already the crown jewel of the continent.

[Anonymous No.17617941]

>>17613920
if you compare a map of curfew areas and los angeles proper it's astounded how big the 92 riots were. and the LAPD weren't allowing them to happen to spite donald trump, they'd completely lost control of the situation

[Anonymous No.17617952]

>>17613928
the ruling class always presents its prerogatives as both desirable and inevitable

[Anonymous No.17617958]

>>17612853
This.

[Anonymous No.17617966]

>>17613962
>...the virtues of “competition” are “conveniently to be reserved only for the masses. Competition and risk is for small businesses and other little people like private and public sector employees.” The invocation of competition has functioned as an ideological weapon – its real aim is the destruction of solidarity, and, as such, it has been remarkably successful.
why don't you try actually reading the link instead of making yourself look like a retard by trying to dab on it

[Anonymous No.17617976]

>>17617915
Space travel was more the result of high human capital and investment than the specific result of communism. Russians had actually pioneered rocketry, it was a Tsiolkovsky who derived the classical rocket equation that was later used by other scientists and engineers for space travel. He also argued for multi-stage rocket systems, which were eventually used. All of this in the late 19th and very early 20th centuries, more than 5 decades before we actually went to space. The Cosmism movement also emerged in Russia. Assuming political stability and economic development, it's likely Russia would have got to space anyway.

[Anonymous No.17617996]

>>17614003
it won't because brown violence is unfocused and easy to contain. the goal isn't to eliminate violence, it's to create a planet where the elite's rule is impossible to challenge. it's the reason why 35 shootings in 36 hours in chicago doesn't raise an eyebrow but some boomers milling around the capital building for an hour or two before leaving requires the national guard to occupy DC for 3 months

[Anonymous No.17618000]

>>17617858
The goal of elites is to integrate blacks and turn them into consumer bugmen like the rest of us. Which isn't going to work because of their substantially lower IQ.

[Anonymous No.17618048]

>>17617915
What I meant by communism is that it created an extremely corrupt system, which grew out of economic stagnation and general decline. By the late 70s and 80s, most people didn't really believe in communism, not even the elites, as an actual coherent ideology. It trotted along out of inertia, the elites didn't want to lose power, so kept they kept it going. The whole thing was so corrupt by then that everyone was simply stealing. Even the factory managers. That corruption transferred over into the post-soviet era, with many of the same people still in power today.

[Anonymous No.17618051]

>>17617916
>dutch east india company
you're not helping your case nazi boy

[Anonymous No.17618053]

>>17618000
the goal is to turn us into blacks. and it's going according to plan
what >>17617996 said
they promote dysgenics and further devolution into the bestial (easily tamed) to allow greater and greater margins between the mobs capability and theirs.

[Anonymous No.17618077]

>>17617996
>>17618053
That's too conspiratorial and cartoonish for me.
But I'm willing to be convinced.

[Anonymous No.17618094]

>>17618077
what would you like

[Anonymous No.17618125]

>>17618053
plus collective violence is fundamentally an expression of group energy. said energy can be dissipated safely through carnival or dangerously via organized insurrection. viewed from this lens the rioting last summer was a used as an enormous pressure release valve for the rising tensions caused by declining living standards and the new biosecurity regime

as a side note, i'd further argue that the entire pandemic response from the wuhan quarantine on has been a planetwide carnival in response to the post 2008 neoliberal global regime (trump and brexit being the dead canaries)

[Anonymous No.17618147]

>>17618077
look at it this way: agribusiness technology is easily and readily repurposed for human populations

[Anonymous No.17618177]

Read any book on political framing because that's all he does in these documentaries. Then just go on Wikipedia and go wild. Enjoy

[Anonymous No.17618192]

>>17618125
>declining living standards

In the US? Poverty is easier and more comfortable to live in than ever. People are living longer.

[Anonymous No.17618207]

>>17618192
Have you been in a coma? We're currently in an artificial economic depression with high joblessness and the life expectancy is going down.

[Anonymous No.17618212]

>>17618125
i see what you are saying though i would question whether it released any tension? what sect(s) of the populace would you say this applies to?
i would argue the opposite; saying it was an escalation into building the mythos of the new order. a faux empowerment of the low used against the middle to intimidate them.
but perhaps thats what you meant by pressure release and i misinterpreted and the onset

[Anonymous No.17618222]

>>17613051
This is pretty much how I felt too watching hypernormalisation.
>>17613101
If that's really what he intends, it kind of feels like a documentary is one of the worst formats for this, as most people I know who watched hypernormalisation seemed to assume that as a documentary, it's intended to be relatively self-contained.

[Anonymous No.17618241]

>>17613051
Bingo. Also he has massive blind spots because he's a rent boy for the liberal establishment that he writes off as a conspiracy.
>5/5 stars from the guardian!

[Anonymous No.17618256]

>>17618094
My point is that the views of elites, like Bill Gates and others, are quite public. Their views are written in books, newspapers, and blogs by people like Steven Pinker and other highly publicized academics. They regularly give talks and conferences at places like Davos, universities, and the world economic forum. They have websites like the slate star codex (which was read by silicon valley elites) where they are quite open about what they believe. They aren't secretly masquerading around, they are relatively open about what they believe. For the most part, it does seem that most of them believe that multi-racial society can exist for the long term, as long as everyone is effectively integrated into the system. This is why corporations are all pledging quotas for board members and other key positions. Why universities have quotas for racial minorities. The elites are effectively trying to create a new multi-racial elite. If you really think about it, it is entirely rational for them to do this. Mass immigration is necessary for economic advancement, but that also means the immigrants need to be integrated into the system.

[Anonymous No.17618273]

>>17618077
>conspiratorial
>cartoonish
You're mistaking the description of the effects of the plan as the purpose the enactors set out with. "Turn white people into black people" doesn't mean that Bill Gates is sitting in his evil office tower going "Muahahaha, those blacks sure are stupid, let's turn those independent whites into black people, then we can rule them forever!". It means the same economic and cultural conditions of the black community are desired for the white community.
>Low classes resist education
>High classes are conditioned to further the ideological narrative
>High promiscuity creates reliance on consumerist infrastructure
The negative side effects of this are low-level localized violence and drug abuse, which inevitably means more money for businesses (I.e., broken window economic theory. If I break a window and get it repaired for $100, the repairman makes $100, but no economic growth has actually occurred), without needing to expand economically which requires expenditures. So inflation without the inflation. For the elite classes of the US, their position is secured because the only people who rise to the workforce level are fully indoctrinated and will not challenge the industrial base.

To elites, this may appear as "Sex is fun, let the poor people have and we'll protect them from its consequences!" thus ensuring high promiscuity, "People who think X are stupid, and I don't trust them to do Y!" thus ensuring that negative thought never enters the professional sphere, "The poor people are too incompetent to fix their issues, let's help them while giving them the material they need!" thus ensuring reliance on the central elite as a source of basic staples and material goods.

[Anonymous No.17618280]

>>17618256
Why are you so sure their public pronouncements are identical to their actual goals and behavior? this isn't even true for random everyday people, let alone elites who have the means to conspire very easily and strong incentives to do so.

[Anonymous No.17618356]

this might be interesting for you. I don't think there's one cohesive book that give you a lineal explanation of how the world became as it is in the same way that Curtis does. He just borrows from a lot of authors and puts historical pieces together. See the redpill chart for reference.

[Anonymous No.17618394]

>>17618280
So you're saying the dialogues they have with each other are all fake and gay? So you think when they all meet up at the world economic forum or when they write books they are all just lying? That's simply an absurd idea. I'm sure they have beliefs they don't share in public, but generally they view themselves as morally righteous. Morally righteous people share their beliefs.

[Anonymous No.17618455]

>>17618256
think in terms of time scale. what you've just said.
integrate races, curb the differences into a newly designed block which is easily malleable minimizing any potential threat.
the elites speak half truths. they are magicians (magi) showing you the right hand while the left shuffles out of view.
it is not so much a matter of economics for these people, it is about crafting the world to their design and ensuring they continue to do so in the future. economics is a weapon they utilize.
>>17618273 this guy has a much more robust grasp of it, but i can expound if need be

[Anonymous No.17618507]

>>17618394
compartmentalization. i think most of them certainly do believe in what they profess but its a game of chess. some are knights some bishops. the king and queen sit at the top with great mobility and protection but it is the hand that moves them that sees all.
who is the hand? you can get into the powers and principalities discussion but that may be moving too far off topic for now.

[Anonymous No.17618512]

>>17618212
more or less. i agree with you regarding the mythos building but i also can't quite believe in the overwhelming competence of the professional-managerial elite so i think that's really more that grievance is the only collective identity they're capable of promoting anymore, and that's because they can only view life through a lens of contracts. thus the administrative-professional's vision of political action is the lawsuit, which itself affirms the existing legal-economic order in its appeal for justice

there was also a marked religious element to the events last summer. i've seen some anons on here talking about the second great awakening as a historical reference and i agree more and more with that. there was a bunch of (mostly white, affluent) liberals in my city who held what was essentially a tent revival every wednesday for BLM, complete with altar calls. these were people who rarely set foot in a church even for weddings yet with just the right impetus they re-enacted the form of their ancestral religion, i think that indicates that the whole floyd thing really scratched a spiritual itch for americans that neoliberal capitalism normally neglects (except for consoomer fandoms)

[Anonymous No.17618520]

>>17618192
US living standards have been declining for decades, improvement is only simulated by the extension of easy credit

[Anonymous No.17618543]

>>17618394
the elite have class consciousness, anon. they're they only group of people that are allowed to

[Anonymous No.17618544]

>>17612761
And no one cares about your insect-mind bullshit yet here you are

[Anonymous No.17618558]

>>17618544
>t.bugman in denial

[Anonymous No.17618579]

>>17618512
>there was also a marked religious element to the events last summer. i've seen some anons on here talking about the second great awakening as a historical reference and i agree more and more with that. there was a bunch of (mostly white, affluent) liberals in my city who held what was essentially a tent revival every wednesday for BLM, complete with altar calls. these were people who rarely set foot in a church even for weddings yet with just the right impetus they re-enacted the form of their ancestral religion, i think that indicates that the whole floyd thing really scratched a spiritual itch for americans that neoliberal capitalism normally neglects (except for consoomer fandoms)
Edward Dutton has a great take. The whole BLM thing for white liberals was effectively built on religious fervor and exultation. Denouncing racists was akin to denouncing heretics. Someone once said you can take religion away from man, but it will be simply replaced by another one. I think that has effectively happened in the west, science has killed God, but then politics became God.

[Anonymous No.17618583]

>>17612950
rational analysis
>>17617586
insane

[Anonymous No.17618586]

>>17612428

so many dumb arguments, so few recommendations

guess that's the state of /lit/

OP you might want to check out:

Frederic Jameson - The Geopolitical Aesthetic (coined the term "cognitive mapping" which Curtis is deeply indebted to)
Mark Fisher - Capitalist Realism (not a brilliant book imo but Curtis rips Fisher off massively, even just in the soundtrack choices)
Michel Foucault - The Order of Things (coined the term "episteme," probably the most influential postmodern theory text on philosophy of history)
Kojin Karatani - The Structure of World History (very interesting bleeding edge analysis of macrohistory)
Peter Sloterdijk - Rage and Time (unique and approachable post-theory on the failures of the 20th century, not very rigorous tho and should be read with a critical eye)

also pretty much everything Adorno ever wrote

[Anonymous No.17618593]

>>17618544
>>17618583
You seem to have really triggered some commie. Nice job boyos

[Anonymous No.17618604]

>>17618512
>that's really more that grievance is the only collective identity they're capable of promoting anymore, and that's because they can only view life through a lens of contracts. thus the administrative-professional's vision of political action is the lawsuit, which itself affirms the existing legal-economic order in its appeal for justice
forgive me, can you expound on this a bit please. i fear i'm only half grasping what you're saying
>marked religious element
ye interesting. do you think the powers are aware of this drive and deign to create a synthetic religion from it somehow? i ask because it reminds me of a clip i saw of kanye on jre talking about having church at nba courts or something of the like. i live in aus so theres a degree of separation in my view

[Anonymous No.17618644]

>>17618604
Not him but it's pretty clear that secular liberalism is meant to replace religion. They have their holy texts (How to be Antiracist, White Fragility), sermons (Late night/Network News), martyrs (Big Floyd, That girl who was living with her murderer drug dealer boyfriend) and even their own religious calendar with holidays (Black history month, pride month, juneteenth). But this one is backed by state power and institutions to make it totalizing (forced racial sensitivity training in federal government that leaks into every fortune 500 company)
Hail Kamala

[Anonymous No.17618665]

>>17618644
shaky foundations though no? can they hold?
wouldn't it be a stepping stone to something more solid?

[Anonymous No.17618750]

US coastal elites use newspapers like the New York Times as their mouthpiece. By reading papers and books recommended by them and others, you can gain a good understanding of the coastal elite mileu.

[Anonymous No.17618796]

>>17618665
I believe the answer is that they're trying to prolong integration of the United States through psychological warfare, at least until China collapses. There is no stepping stone with plans like this because, yes, the foundations are shaky, and they're shaky because the elites in the US are fairly incompetent ideologues. The "plan" is to ensure that their summer homes are safe from Russian or Chinese occupation as the US stagnates into oblivion.

[Anonymous No.17618876]

>>17618543
Of course, they have class consciousness and it is expressed through institutions in society and become the dominant values.

[Anonymous No.17619007]

>>17613549
>Everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi!

[Anonymous No.17619094]

>>17613617
Holy shit. I didn't know there were so many jews on lit.

[Anonymous No.17619165]

>>17618604
anon here, basically what i was getting at about grievance culture is that it's the only thing resembling a unified cultural field left in multicultural societies. while once the elite tried to rally disparate groups of americans around american patriotism or people in the UK around the empire etc our only grand narrative now (at least in america) is how america has wronged you. it's basically impossible to reconcile your average second-gen latino with your average urban black and your average high-income indian, these groups are not only vastly different but also mutually antogonistic. the only "unifier" is being "marginalized" (the preferred term) by an imagined dominant white majority and/or historically wronged by the state. this serves to dual function of absorbing the actual grievances of various populations while delegitimizing existing legal and community structures that could potential threaten the neoliberal hegemony.

the lawsuit thing is a distinct vision of politics as an administrative question. francis fukuyama pointed out that the two most vast-reaching political and cultural changes that occured in the united states in the 20th century were roe vs wade and brown vs board of education, which legalized abortion and started the massive desegregation and integration program respectively. both were initiated as lawsuits by private individuals and the massive changes caused by both decisions never ever passed through the normal legislative process. you're from oz so obviously these won't resonate with you quite so much but given the arc of the 20th century i'm certain there's a series of legal decisions essentially made by unelected officials that pushed australia into its current globohomo trajectory

[Anonymous No.17619198]

>>17618579
it's also worth noting how many europeans took up the BLM fervor in american terms despite the different histories of their nations. hell, there were BLM protests in fucking japan, a nation with absolutely zero history of african enslavement

[Anonymous No.17619206]

>>17613727
Blacks are the most obvious example since they are so far behind all the other races. All black-controlled countries are shitholes and have been for at least 2000 years. Even with all the money that has been dumped into Africa by the west, there has been no progress. It's unbelievable how brainwashed people can be and the mental hoops they have to jump through to justify this nonsense dogma about the races being all the same.

[Anonymous No.17619218]

>>17618750
NYT is better understood as representing one faction of elites. if you read it together with WSJ and the economist you're getting a more holistic view of their zeitgeist

[Anonymous No.17619232]

>>17613727
anon is forward-thinking. by the end of the century every other person on the planet will be african

[Anonymous No.17619282]

>>17613826
People prefer to cooperate with others of their own kind. The more points of contact they have in common, whether its race, language, culture, etc., the more they will trust each other. This is not difficult to understand. This is why multiculturalism is pushed so heavily by corporations and capitalists. To weaken the national character of a country and alienate the workers from each other so as to more effectively exploit them and to prevent them from unionizing.

[Anonymous No.17619443]

>>17618796
mm perhaps
>>17619165
interesting. i see, thankyou.

[Anonymous No.17619676]

>>17619218
I know that's why I said "like" nyt. The "prestigious" outlets basically.

[Anonymous No.17619691]

>>17619165
>this serves to dual function of absorbing the actual grievances of various populations while delegitimizing existing legal and community structures that could potential threaten the neoliberal hegemony.
How long can that lost though?

[Anonymous No.17619904]

>>17617465
liberals are capitalists but just with a muh gays and trannies sheen. capitalists are not leftists.

[Anonymous No.17619926]

>>17619904
Yes but leftists support the gay and trannies, which is why they can so easily absorb leftism and sell you Che t-shirts.

[Anonymous No.17619941]

The one thing liberals can't absorb is religious extremism and the far-right. That's why Biden declared "white supremacy as the greatest danger in America", meanwhile in Chicongo and Detroicongo, there's over a hundred shootings per weekend.

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>>17617341
I did. He makes fine points I would add or contend with a little here or there, but we’re generally in agreement that we need to organize and expand.

>>17617465
Liberals stand with capitalism and statism, be they freemarket fundie, soc-dem “nanny state”, radical democrat or will tool of the oligarchy neoliberal fine with censorship.

[Anonymous No.17620721]

>>17619691
from the elite's perspective, forever but only because their time is an eternal present. from a realistic standpoint, maybe a decade tops before civic virtue is so depleted that a new form of government is required. i believe that the elite think that cybernetics will be sufficiently advanced by that point that naked force won't be necessary anymore. think 1984 but big brother is your smartphone and in allegra

[Anonymous No.17620930]

>>17614907
I'm fine with that. Hypernormalisation was a fun watch but honestly copied and simplified a lot of the material in Bitter Lake with a cooler atmosphere and tone

[Anonymous No.17621030]

>>17613586
I'd love to be sent back to Europe at this point. The US is an absolute shitshow and will continue its rapid decline.