How does he get Nietzsche so wrong?

[Anonymous No.17542898]

https://youtu.be/zYUHKAZT1xE

Its impossible to even come to this conclusion about creating your own values if you've ever read Zarathustra (which he claims he did)

Nietzsche highlights in the 1st fuckimg chapter the process fo creating your own values (the spirit becomes the cames, the camel the lion and the lion the child), but this nigga jumps right into
>yeah bro you can't create your own values because you lack discipline
Yeah no shit faggot. You're completely misunderstanding what Nietzsche meant in the first place. How is this guy considered an intellectual?

[Anonymous No.17542902]

>>17542898
He’s unhinged like nietzsche was unhinged. Yet he knows to feel guilty for it and knows the cure (room service)

[Anonymous No.17543006]

>>17542898
He has next to no understanding of philosophy and academics laugh at him

He has less understanding than brainlet tier entry level youtubers do in 5min book summaries

[Anonymous No.17543126]

>>17542898
He's a salesman. He tells retarded cuckservatives how profound they are and makes millions off of it.

[Anonymous No.17543180]

>>17542898
>>yeah bro you can't create your own values because you lack discipline
lmao neetch utterly btfo by a self-help benzo addict.

[Anonymous No.17543184]

>>17543180
Nietzsche admits you need discipline

[Anonymous No.17543185]

>>17542898
Peterson gives what the rest of society can't. A place for young and lost men, to personally grow and tackle their own problems and look at the world's. These young people aren't evil, unintelligent or anything else, they were just abandoned by our education system and cultural life, and was expected to figure everything out themselves. Guess what, we can't figure life out by ourselves. There is a reason why teaching figures like gurus, mentors and preachers have such a high status in all narratives and throughout history.
These young men has been failed by society, because we just sort of expect people to grow up and automatically join the workforce and figure everything out themself. Guess what, the world has changed significantly, the internet has warped most things we know and this generation is teaching out parents how to use it.
Many of these people just need a place to grow, a place where they're welcome to engage in intellectual pursuit without being called any kind of ism whenever they make mistakes. That's the biggest issue the "left" has today, they alienate the average Joe who hasn't read a lot of books, but instead operate on his natural attitudes and start shaming and name calling him. Is he wrong most of the time? Yes. Will you convert him by shouting and bitching about it on Twitter? No. They will find other arenas where they're welcome and feel like they can learn and make sense of the world safely, and that is what Peterson provides. A safe haven for those who haven't read Plato, Marx or dostoyevsky, but still feel disenchanted with modern society. Most of these people agree something is wrong, but lack the language to explain and so Peterson can grip them with his myth constructs and his appeal to common sense and values, because he understands them and can connect with them.
Peterson is not a smart guy, but he has managed to hit the zeitgeist for these people and doesn't belittle them. And that's what matters the most to them.

[Anonymous No.17543191]

>>17543185
this. peterson hate is peak reddit

[Anonymous No.17543195]

>yeah bro you can't create your own values because you lack discipline
If this is your summary of the vid, you are the one who lacks reading comprehension. Not Peterson.

It's not about discipline, but the relationship between the will of the ego and the "soul" (the self for Jung). Only someone as spiritually sick as Nietzsche can think that the will is strong enough to bypass the deeper structure of the psyche.

[Anonymous No.17543201]

>>17543185
>Peterson is not a smart guy
he is pretty smart

[Anonymous No.17543215]

>starts talking about a soul with reference to Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.17543219]

>>17543185
good post

[Anonymous No.17543228]

>>17543184
retard

[Anonymous No.17543234]

>>17543201
Depends on what we think of as being smart. I think he is a good psychologist probably, but that doesn't translate into philosophical or political opinions. I guess it's the usual specialization problem, like doctors being smart in their field, but ignorant in others. The problem is they bring the confidence over from their own field and therefore think they're just as knowledgeable in all other fields, when they're not.

[Anonymous No.17543235]

>>17543195
>Only someone as spiritually sick as Nietzsche can think that the will is strong enough to bypass the deeper structure of the psyche.

wtf are you even talking about? That has nothing to do with what he says in Zarathustra lmao, actually go read the book first

[Anonymous No.17543238]

>>17543185
I don’t care for Peterson’s work, though I haven’t read much in all fairness, but what do people expect to happen to a generation of young white men who have never been spoken about as anything other than a vestige, or a problem? Are they just going to flagellate themselves to death? Or instead they could attach themselves to someone who claims to be able to point to a path to travel.

Leftists have spent a lot of energy in tackling Peterson but much less on genuinely trying to reach the people who he speaks to.

[Anonymous No.17543239]

>>17543228
he literally says in the book, actually present an argument next time

[Anonymous No.17543241]

>>17543215
The reference is also to a criticism of Nietzsche.
Can you retards please learn to read.

[Anonymous No.17543251]

>>17543185
good post
He´s still a cringe retard though. But I guess he is a net positive at the end of the day

[Anonymous No.17543252]

>>17543185
but what about when peterson takes advantage of the laymans lack of complex understanding by misrepresenting things such as postmodernism and marxism to create a political boogeyman that these people can decry, instead of seeking to further their knowledge of postmodern and leftist concepts

[Anonymous No.17543253]

>>17543195
>>yeah bro you can't create your own values because you lack discipline
Skip to the end of the vid, that's how Peterson summarizes it himself. More specifically he says you have to "know yourself", you can't just create values.

[Anonymous No.17543256]

>>17543239
That's not the point you fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.17543258]

>>17543241
He didn't criticize neetch once in the vid

[Anonymous No.17543262]

>>17543235
>That has nothing to do with what he says in Zarathustra
The absolute state of this retard.

[Anonymous No.17543266]

>>17543256
what is the point then?

[Anonymous No.17543271]

>>17543234
He's eloquent and a good rhetorician, otherwise he wouldn't have captivated so many people. That requires a good dose of brains, regardless of whether what he is saying is cogent or not.

[Anonymous No.17543273]

>>17543262
what is this deep structure of the psyche? Enlighten me anon

[Anonymous No.17543274]

>>17543266
not him, but not to treat peterson too seriously on matter of self-discipline. peterson seems to lack the most basic impulse control, and projects it onto everyone

[Anonymous No.17543283]

>>17543252
I think the post's main argument was that even though J.P. isnt very smart when it comes to philosophical ideas, he serves a social function telling easy to grasp narratives to people who are left out of predominant narratives about suffering and victimization. J.P doesnt really want to actually help listeners, he is like shaman, or Nietzsches priest, who domesticates ressentiment of majority by telling easy to understand narratives about ebil postmodern marxists.

[Anonymous No.17543285]

>>17543271
fuck off pleb most are fucking idiots

[Anonymous No.17543288]

>>17543274
oh okay, if that was the point then my bad then

[Anonymous No.17543290]

>>17543238
And this is exactly the biggest problem for the modern left, I myself am a leftist.
The alienation of the average person has become so high, that entire political platforms have been risen just to say "fuck the libs / commies". The number one thing I hear my peers talk about if they are modern right wingers, are how much they hate modern PC culture and SJW's. These people arent bad, dumb or evil, they're just alienated by this modern leftist discourse that everything is problematic, and everything is a social construct unless we say so.
The infighting has reached even higher peaks when terms like "brocialist" have become normal and "terfs" being the new hot buzzword to dismiss someone without further reasoning. It's the same strategy that right wingers use by calling you a shill or a jew, total dismissal without trial, only now its terf and racist because you don't instantly agree with them.
And I agree, where should these young men tasked with figuring everything out themselves go? Commit suicide? They're here and we're thrust into a chaotic world with no compass, so no wonder they're going to listen to the guy who doesn't belittle them, instead of the mass calling them problematic.
You can say what you want about Peterson, but not properly addressing why he is so popular, means there will just come a new figure for these young men to rally under.

[Anonymous No.17543291]

>>17543285
incel

[Anonymous No.17543299]

>>17543290
based post

[Anonymous No.17543302]

>>17543290
I think the left is also lucky that it was Peterson and not Uncle Adolf II

[Anonymous No.17543305]

>>17543185
Good post

[Anonymous No.17543311]

>>17543266
It was just a joke you autist.

[Anonymous No.17543316]

>>17543283
The evil postmodern marxist thing is pretty tired at this point. Literally who gives a fuck in light of how many people he has helped rebuild their life? It's such a low hanging fruit and it only makes you tedious faggots look more and more pathetic.

[Anonymous No.17543321]

>>17543235
>>17543239
Nietzsche is just a reference you idiots. Peterson is talking about his own ideas on values.

[Anonymous No.17543325]

>>17543252
This guy summarizes my point very well
>>17543283

[Anonymous No.17543329]

>>17543321
>Peterson is talking about his own ideas on values.

I mean sure we understand that, thats not the point, the point is that he misinterprets Nietzsches conception of values. Not that he presents his version

[Anonymous No.17543340]

>>17543316
if you think we should sacrifice intellectual clarity and rigor for some incels who need a childrens story to sleep sound then you should kys my man. And I'm against envious leftists who only focus on Petersons incorrectness and miss the wider social role he is assuming (which is a product of left's failure really)

[Anonymous No.17543350]

>>17543340
>rigor
>intellectual clarity

[Anonymous No.17543357]

>>17543340
I think we should sacrifice that gay shit if it means stirring young men to discipline and action. I couldn't give a fat shit if he misrepresents the ideas of your faggot imaginary friend favorite philosopher. Kys faggot

[Anonymous No.17543360]

>>17543357
this reply is both based and cringe. Truly a rare sight

[Anonymous No.17543368]

>>17543357
>I think we should sacrifice that gay shit if it means stirring young men to discipline and action
why not both? I read and understand most of the pomos and also I lift, have a disciplinary regime I live by etc. Intellect and will should work together. Read Plato faggot.

[Anonymous No.17543390]

>>17543368
you don´t need to read Plato, you just need common sense to know will and intellect should cooperate lol

[Anonymous No.17543402]

>>17543329
>we understand that
Clearly you don't.
If his point is to discuss his conception of values then the logical conclusion is not necessarily that we must always discuss Nietzsche's conception of values in every thought.

[Anonymous No.17543417]

Peterson is the only current “academic”that has dared to proclaim life is worth living, the suffering is worth it, and meaning can be found.

My favorite peterson quote to ward off you beta male faggots that are offended by his courage to speak about confronting life: “meaninglessness is a virtue. Every moment is the potential birthplace for the kingdom of god.”

Seriously fuck all you depression faggots that can’t even fucking bring themselves to leave their house. You’re a fucking pussy.

[Anonymous No.17543422]

>>17543417
*meaninglessness is an illusion

[Anonymous No.17543435]

>>17543357
>I think we should sacrifice that gay shit if it means stirring young men to discipline and action
If you sacrifice pomos and criticizm, you get a group of diciplined and ready act men who are nevertheless total NPC's, willful slaves for the capital. If that is a win in your book, then youre probably from reddit

[Anonymous No.17543447]

>>17543402
The point is the creation of values, not any given belief in what is valuable. Nietzsche was teh first philosopher to even seriously consider this idea

[Anonymous No.17543448]

wtf did you even watch? he is not citing Nietzsche as a source for his views but Jung

[Anonymous No.17543461]

>>17543185
Not my fault your dad was a deadbeat faggot

[Anonymous No.17543462]

>>17543402
are you being retarded on purpose? We´re not fucking saying he needs to discuss Nietzsches conception of value, we´re saying he is MISINTERPRETING Nietzsches conception of value, do you understand now?

[Anonymous No.17543480]

>>17543435
>NPC
grow up virgin

[Anonymous No.17543484]

>>17543480
triggered

[Anonymous No.17543530]

>>17543417
based

[Anonymous No.17543531]

>>17543185
So what you're saying is, Jordan Peterson is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions?

[Anonymous No.17543532]

>>17543417
You worship a xanax addict

[Anonymous No.17543535]

>>17543531

[Anonymous No.17543537]

>>17543417
he's too sincere for the current culture. he leaves himself open to all the attacks when he cries on stage and talks about pinocchio and slaying the dragon and shit.

[Anonymous No.17543572]

>>17543185
But bro, one can still be a great teacher and explorer for the Lost without misinterpreting and bashing concepts of philosophy. That is all of OP's point.

[Anonymous No.17543580]

>>17543417
that'd be all well and good if the man dispensing this advice wasnt a neurotic depressive pillhead himself

[Anonymous No.17543590]

>>17543580
It's not the teacher, but the wisdom. Peterson dispenses wisdom and ancient truths of old that we have forgotten. That's his value. The man has personal demons and is not perfect, but he is a good guide for lost men.

[Anonymous No.17543606]

>>17543462
And I am saying that YOU are MISUNDERSTANDING the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT.
HE IS NOT DISCUSSING NIETZSCHE'S VALUES
You fucking low iq cunt. Nietzsche is like 10 seconds of that video.

[Anonymous No.17543623]

>>17543606
What if it is an misquoting not misinterpreting?

[Anonymous No.17543627]

>>17543531
I'm saying he has connected with a lot of people who hasn't been able to find footing anywhere else.
I see this as an issue with the modern left, we're not able to meaningfully provide what Peterson provides them. I think a lot of young men are sort of lost in these turbulent times, and modern consensus seems to be that everyone needs to find themself, the presupposition being that this is an individual task. I don't think it is an individual task, and that Peterson's succes comes from being this mentor like figure who creates an environment for reading and learning that these people don't find anywhere else. I'm not saying he is a daddy figure or anything, I'm saying that people don't just wake up and become an integrated part of society, they need to read, learn and follow a lot of different things to constantly shift and shape themself. This is the problem with the modern left for me, too quick to point out flaws and prove someone wrong, when instead it's about creating a meaningful environment for the pursuit of knowledge. Many such places exist, but thats not where most people end up, they stumble upon mainstream Twitter accounts that bully and name call everything they deem problematic and are turned off by the discourse.
Ww can bully Peterson all we want, but he has hit the zeitgeist of a generation in a way a lot of others haven't and it's made him famous. All these journalists and people focus on proving him wrong constantly, only to see it pointless. His followers don't care about being proved wrong, theyre actively trying to escape from a world that keeps saying they're wrong for everything they do. It's about engaging with Peterson in another way, and understanding why he is so popular so the modern left learns what it is normal people want. Perhaps we shouldn't fixate on calling everyone who hasn't read 1000 pages of Marx wrong, but instead engage in a meaningful way about modern society as if we're both just working class people upset with it all. This angle might work better than the shrill Twitter voice deeming everything problematic.

[Anonymous No.17543636]

>>17543606
>Nietzsche believed that one potential move forward would be that we could create our own values ... [this isn't a possibility] because you can't create your own values, I mean go try, you can't just sit down and make them

[Anonymous No.17543657]

>>17543606
I´m talking to a literal wall

[Anonymous No.17543662]

>>17542898

>yeah bro you can't create your own values because you lack discipline

This is true though. How do you inflict discipline upon yourself if you're undisciplined?

[Anonymous No.17543691]

>>17543580
Could you not say that about Nietzsche or Dostoyevsky? (obviously he’s not on their level) but I like to think I am capable of seeing who he is and what his weaknesses are and using that understanding to filter how I view his message.

[Anonymous No.17543708]

>>17543532
I have empathy for those I respect. He’s not an alpha male. He’s not perfect. He’s not even what I hope to be at his age. His wife had very advanced cancer, he was dealing with severe auto immune issues, and he is highly predisposed to depression and anxiety as is. I am able to take what he says and apply my own litmus test to it. I see him as far TOO genuine and open about his struggles. I have listened to enough of him and respect him enough to extend him the benefit of the doubt.

[Anonymous No.17543711]

>>17543627
>modern consensus seems to be that everyone needs to find themself, the presupposition being that this is an individual task

That's just a neoliberal ideology, what's the point of engaging it? Has Peterson ever denied this being an individual task though?

>what it is normal people want

Whatever ads show them anon.

>people don't just wake up and become an integrated part of society

Why would you be interested in them being an integrated part of society? Are you a part of the ruling class?

>instead engage in a meaningful way about modern society as if we're both just working class people upset with it all

Should we start by (re)recognizing systemic issues in capitalism rather than repeating "pull-yourself-by-the-bootstraps" slogans over and over again? Has Peterson ever said anything new there?

[Anonymous No.17543713]

>>17543662
You let happen and therefore are disciplined. Without trying theres no missing the mark

[Anonymous No.17543714]

>>17543662
by practicing it, getting inspired, etc

there are several ways

[Anonymous No.17543893]

>>17543711
My point is to hopefully make these people recognize failures in capitalism, instead of listening to Peterson and his neo marxist scare.
However it won't be done if the discourse is like you're doing it, with a sharp tone of intellectual conflict. It's not about proving who is right and who is wrong, it's a futile way to discuss modern politics. Trump has shown this the last 4 years, and is a totem pole of the last 20 years of political discourse, especially online. This incessant proving right wont convert the people listening to Peterson or voting for Trump, because they first and foremost are not looking to join the condescending Twitter horde and leftist armchair philosophers judging them. This is what we must recognize, that our considerations must go beyond mere "right and wrong".

[Anonymous No.17543917]

>>17542898
Because he's a retard and a pseud? It's amazing anyone still thinks he was ever profound.

[Anonymous No.17543924]

I'm convinced this mans whole career is just desperately attempting to compensate for his peculiarly high pitched whiny voice. How people can listen to him talk for an hour plus is beyond me

[Anonymous No.17543932]

>>17543917
woke and true

[Anonymous No.17543942]

>>17543917
But he makes people feel good.

[Anonymous No.17543971]

>>17543402
He is a fucking professor, dude. Why are you defending this? Do you also defend all the Marxist, Freudian, and feminist professors who misrepresent authors and artists in order to push their own agenda too? Anyone in education not chiefly concerned with communicating an accurate portrayal of the authors and artists being discussed should gtfo of education.

[Anonymous No.17544144]

>>17542898
OP thinks you can create your own values LOL

[Anonymous No.17544189]

>>17544144
>You can´t create your own values because you´ll always be trapped in a duality, there is nothing beyond the duality. What is that? Yes I like to suck dicks on the weekend, but what does that have to do with this?

[Anonymous No.17544286]

>>17543893
If your goal goes beyond just being a career politician, essentially just preserving the status-quo, you need a sharp rhetoric.
You need to convince people that you are on the right side of history and show them who their enemies are. It's like you missed everything about the politics of XXth century.


> Trump has shown this the last 4 years

Trump has shown us that we can't get anywhere using strong rhetoric and insisting that our side is right? Is it really the judgement you drew from this whole thing?

[Anonymous No.17544333]

>>17544286
You haven't got a clue.
Line up behind the rest of the bourgeois journalists fact checking Trump, and the smug Twitter intellectuals making fun of Peterson. Their fans don't care, it in fact only pushes them further towards them by constantly vilifying them.
Are they wrong? Yes. Have they despite this mobilized people behind them en masse? Yes. The modern left needs to look at what attracts your average Joe to these causes, despite them being intellectually unsubstantiated. We vilify and critique the venues they are in, without giving them an alternative. What alternative do these guys have to Peterson, the Twitter mob and PC culture that Peterson criticizes?
Fact check and prove wrong all you want, these people and their fan base don't care. If you don't give them an alternative to get behind, and make it attractive to them they will stay in their current bubble because they're being shouted at everywhere else.

[Anonymous No.17544478]

>>17542898
because he´s retarded

[Anonymous No.17546005]

>>17543691
Yes, especially those two. No smart person reads Nietzsche for life advice. He did much more than muh Ubersmench. No one takes Dostoyevsky's """philosophy""" seriously other than christcuck LARPers.

[Anonymous No.17546015]

>>17543971
What did he misrepresent?
Although I don't think you understand what I said.

[Anonymous No.17546213]

>>17543006
Yep.
Even if you like him, his understanding of philosophy is extremely limited.

[Anonymous No.17546273]

>>17543185
>That's the biggest issue the "left" has today, they alienate the average Joe who hasn't read a lot of books
Twitter leftists don't read.

[Anonymous No.17546278]

>>17543184
>>17543239
>>17543462
Nietzschefags confirmed even bigger retards than Peterson.

[Anonymous No.17546287]

>>17546278
Sneed

[Anonymous No.17546289]

>>17542898
>How does he get Nietzsche so wrong?
He's not a well read person in the areas he talks about most.

[Anonymous No.17546355]

What a shit thread
Would any anon like to provide a thorough and well thought out articulation of the following question:
How does one create their own values according to Nieto
How does one create their own values according to Peterson
Where is the apparent contradiction
How can this contradiction be resolved

You fuckers appear directionless

[Anonymous No.17546384]

>>17546355
Shut uo faggot

[Anonymous No.17546390]

>>17542898
>You're completely misunderstanding what Nietzsche meant in the first place.
Oh yeah
Tell me what it means then. I'm waiting.

[Anonymous No.17546399]

>>17546390
Read the first chapter of Zarthustra, its like 2 pages and you'll get your answer

[Anonymous No.17546400]

>>17542898
>filtered by a youtube video

[Anonymous No.17546410]

>>17546384
Post physique fatass

[Anonymous No.17546413]

>>17546399
Just gonna need a quick rundown from OP is all.

[Anonymous No.17546426]

The fact that this guy is considered as one of the most important modern intellectuals really shows how bad things really are.

[Anonymous No.17547107]

>>17546426
I agree. Nietzsche is one of the worst signs of degeneracy and decline.

[Anonymous No.17547280]

>>17546015
>What did he misrepresent?
Nietzsche. When he says that Nietzsche posited that a "potential move forward" was for us to create our own values, he is mistaken (which means his claim that the psychologists "refuted" Nietzsche is bullshit). Nietzsche posited that it was the Overman who was to create new values for mankind, which was doomed to become hopeless after the death of God on its own. The Overman, additionally, is not something one can become through hard work or study or life experience or anything like that, so he didn't even posit that it was mankind's goal to become the Overman either. Mankind is an utterly hopeless species for Nietzsche and he doesn't place the responsibility of creating new values on it.

[Anonymous No.17547315]

>>17546426
yup

[Anonymous No.17547389]

>>17546355
See >>17547280

I'm now starting to realize that Peterson is probably the sole reason for why everyone is confused and hysterical when it comes to Nietzsche these days. The man has been spreading a straw man of Nietzsche's arguments for years.

[Anonymous No.17547451]

>>17547389
same with pomos

[Anonymous No.17547506]

>>17547451
pomos?

[Anonymous No.17547508]

>>17547451
Peterson also is a pomo, despite what he claims

[Anonymous No.17547524]

>>17544286
>convince people you are on the right side of history
lmao you know nothing about how to persuade people. the fastest way to make anyone dig their heels in deeper is to wag your finger at them

[Anonymous No.17547530]

>>17547506
postmodernists peterson attacks, foucault, derrida etc.

[Anonymous No.17547547]

>>17543580
disliking him personally doesn't do anything to critique or address whatever statements he makes. because if you're so smart, you'd acknowledge that 100% of everything he's ever said was already put out there and stated by someone else somewhere before he was popular

[Anonymous No.17547556]

>>17547508
This

[Anonymous No.17547577]

Peterson advises; "Always tell the truth, or at least don't lie". Peterson frequently misrepresents other authors and academics, mainly deceased ones that are political theorists or philosophers.

If Peterson is smart and diligent, the only remaining explanation for why he does the above...is?

[Anonymous No.17547659]

His "philosophy" is garbage but his physchology seems good I think? Any psychology anons that like him?

[Anonymous No.17547748]

>>17547280
That's one hell of a seethe over an interpretation which isn't even wrong.

[Anonymous No.17547786]

>>17547748
>seethe
Stop being a child. And it is wrong, clearly.

[Anonymous No.17547930]

>>17542898
Did any one of you actually watch the video? He literally says:
>Nietzsche proposed that you can create your own values.
>However, psychoanalysts knock that out of the water.

he never said that, according to Nietzsche, creating your own values is impossible. Dumb fucking sheep. He's a moron, but you're not any better.

[Anonymous No.17547942]

At this point, every time someone says "Nietzsche said to create your own values" the only response should be "in what passage?" until these brainwashed mouth breathers fuck off.

[Anonymous No.17547994]

>>17547786
kek what a retard.

[Anonymous No.17548009]

>>17547994
zoom zoom with no argument

[Anonymous No.17548016]

>>17547930
They've spent the whole thread denying that. They think Peterson said that Nietzsche denied the creation of values.

[Anonymous No.17548157]

>>17543185
>Peterson is not a smart guy
he literally has a 156 IQ
he's posted his scores

he's smarter than everyone on this board

[Anonymous No.17548174]

>>17548157
156 IQ is still upper midwit status. He's not that impressive.

[Anonymous No.17548191]

>>17548174
how about you kill yourself you rabid, incorrigible, big black gorilla

[Anonymous No.17548204]

>>17543185
I'm glad Peterson created a safespace for people who hate faggots and niggers, it was really untenable out there

[Anonymous No.17548211]

>>17543195
>Only someone as spiritually sick as Nietzsche can think that the will is strong enough to bypass the deeper structure of the psyche.
I would really love to know how this spastic notion of Nietzsche even came to be. Is it Peterson's doing, or are zoomers just morons?

Nietzsche, the philosopher who constantly emphasized the importance of the body and the instincts, who argued against ressentiment for subverting the instincts and positing a cold, distant God as the source of life and morality in place of the body out of spite for it, who was essentially a biological determinist and an early proponent of evolution, who even advised in Zarathustra against picking up occupations or lifestyles that were against the instincts of one's ancestors, somehow thought that the will could magically "bypass the deeper structure of the psyche" like some harebrained Protestant imbecile (and as if his Will didn't also incorporate the psyche, as if he didn't write about the shadow of the psyche way before Jung did in Human, All Too Human). C'mon!

[Anonymous No.17548393]

>>17548211
Probab ly because he was a faggot who spent all day jerking off and died from crying.

[Anonymous No.17548568]

>>17542898
Dumbass. He says nobody can 'create their own values' not that it is a function of lack of discipline or will power.

[Anonymous No.17548869]

>>17543185
You mean men who are too weak and emotionally insecure to tackle their problems by themselves so they run to some faux-prophet who offers a spiritually charged materialism claiming to have all the answers. Nietzsche called the former the last men. Spengler called the latter the Second Religiousness.

[Anonymous No.17548926]

>>17548869
>You mean men who are too weak and emotionally insecure to tackle their problems by themselves so they run to some faux-prophet who offers a spiritually charged materialism claiming to have all the answers.
Hmmm who does that sound like?

[Anonymous No.17549033]

>>17548393
you will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.17549293]

>>17543417
The Kingdom of God comes from heaven, it outgrows out of heaven and invades our history.

[Anonymous No.17549434]

>>17549033
Ok neetch tranny

[Anonymous No.17549449]

>>17549434
>no u
nice one nerd

[Anonymous No.17550304]

>>17549449
Dilate reddit

[Anonymous No.17550388]

>>17550304
have sex

[Anonymous No.17550631]

>>17543273
It’s called the archetypes. Deep cognitive behavioral patterns that are cannot be overcome. The idea is that you can’t “will” yourself to do something (try even exercising). There are other unconscious forces at play that are the puppet masters so to speak.

[Anonymous No.17550654]

>>17550631
Nietzsche calls these the drives, he defined the will as a multiplicity of drives.

[Anonymous No.17550675]

>>17546273
>Twitter leftists don't read.
Underrated post. Discuss literally anything with them and you will find they know less than most middle-schoolers

[Anonymous No.17550682]

>>17548191
gorillas are an endangered species, you turd

[Anonymous No.17550685]

>>17548211
Not just instincts, but what Jung called the religious instinct and the neurosis that generally followed if the person ignored it. This is what he was missing, as evidence of his lifestyle and repression. The urge of the psyche to become the total personality by the unconscious. Jung presents compelling evidence for this and redefines god as not just an idea, but a description of the psychic landscape that sets the rules for your behavior, that which you cannot win against. Nietzsche didn’t quite go beyond the obvious instinctual nature of man, and into the processes that are really pulling the strings, though he was close. He didn’t conceptualize god as something more than an abstraction but an actual description of the reality we are forced to contend with, our inner god.

[Anonymous No.17550721]

>>17546213
>>17543006
>>17543126
>>17543180
reddit

[Anonymous No.17550726]

>>17550721
>Peterson
>not reddit

[Anonymous No.17550741]

>>17542898
Jordan Peterson is unironically a post modernist

[Anonymous No.17550747]

>>17547389
That has been an issue long before Peterson you fucking zoomer.

[Anonymous No.17550755]

>>17542898
Here he is talking at length about what he meant by this. https://youtu.be/DC0faZiBcG0?t=2388

[Anonymous No.17550900]

>>17543006
>>17543126
Both of you would get destroyed in a debate with him regardless jej

[Anonymous No.17550906]

>>17543185
Quality post

[Anonymous No.17550911]

>>17542898
The camel represents holding a burden doesn't it? That fundamentally requires discipline as the first step.

Lmao brainlet

[Anonymous No.17550918]

>>17543417
This. Every other so-called intellectual in this regard has been useless to society. It is the duty of intellectuals to find what is worth preserving in life. The modern intelligensia just want to burn everything to the ground and start anew. Fuck those people.

[Anonymous No.17550922]

>>17543417
Based

[Anonymous No.17550928]

>>17542898
OP, did you even watch the video? He's citing Jung's criticism of Nietzsche. Nietzsche claimed that you can create your own values by evolving your spirit (camel carries burdens, lion wants its own domain, child represents potential). Jung, however, said this is nonsense because you cannot create your own values. Peterson is agreeing with Jung, not Nietzsche.

You're the retard OP.

[Anonymous No.17551225]

>>17543191

Yeah only fedora tipping atheist, libtards that get dopamine hits from reading Guardian hit pieces and twitter derp usually hate him.

[Anonymous No.17551255]

>>17550928
Weak bait

[Anonymous No.17551273]

>>17547942
Literally in the first chapter in Zarathustra, and several subsequent chapters, stop being a brainlet

[Anonymous No.17551352]

>>17543185
Great post, except for one thing
>Peterson is not a smart guy
His IQ is over 150

[Anonymous No.17551431]

>>17543302
this. Sure you can argue that he's manipulative to some extent when it comes to shilling his books and stuff. But the fact is, it seems like he's genuinely motivated to try and help these dejected young men on the fringe of society. If he wanted to, Peterson could've pushed it much further, perhaps even singlehandedly pushing the radical right wing agenda that a lot of people think he is doing. Perhaps that is what inspires the uproar by all kinds of people against him: they fear the influence that he seems to have on people. Jordan Peterson is pretty much a meme on /lit/ who laugh at how milquetoast a lot of his ideas really are, but most people who criticise JP don't see him for his ideas, they see him for the reach he has. I found Jordan Peterson when researching existentialism in high school, and I quite liked his lectures, and I began to incorporate some of what he said into my normal life. I've heard some people describe him as a good "gateway intellectual" and for that purpose, I think Peterson has a use. In retrospect I was glad I found him in such a neutral light, seeing as he's definitely had his name dragged through the mud by the usual media suspects. Definitely made me ponder on him a lot more than I otherwise would of.

[Anonymous No.17551451]

>>17550928
>>17543606
Based. /lit/ outed for failing youtube tier logic.

[Anonymous No.17551633]

>>17548211
Nietzsche ended up clinically insane. That's the only proof you'll ever need that his philosophy is an aberration.

[Anonymous No.17551644]

>>17551633
When will you retards drop this trope? You're not smart

[Anonymous No.17551649]

>>17543253
You can't take the summary without the context. Peterson comes at Nietzsche from the standpoint of Jung and depth psychology.
If you remove that, you'll end up with a banal statement about discipline.

[Anonymous No.17551669]

>>17551644
When it stops being true.

[Anonymous No.17551700]

>>17544333
Fuck you are a moron. The left is not intellectualy substantiated either. Its a bunch of lunatic bullshit and yes Ive read it all. The only reason its taken seriously is because american universities (capital) push them. Incindentally most of these ideologies are regressive, critical and destructive to western culture and though this is not a key point it must be stated by anyone honest: it is because they are Jewish. None of this will be changed regardless of how many bootlicking backflips of Foucault or Derrida or Adorno or whoever you make.

[Anonymous No.17551744]

>>17543662
i think you need to rewatch kung fu panda

[Anonymous No.17551748]

>>17551700
I understand that the plain truth must not be spoken. The leftist mind is totally enslaved by notions of romantic socialism, utopian humanism and unstoppable progress towards these end points. The more absurd the ideologies supposedly leading to these final ends become, the more the leftist mind becomes emotionally invested in upholding them, were it not so the entire paradigm of progress towards social utopia under the leftist flag would collapse and this would short-circuit the leftist mind and render him insane bringing all kinds of questions he thought he solved already (rightists and conservatives are morons who dont read, christianity is false, capital is the root of all evil etc. etc.) back to the forefront. The leftist will do anything, even defend communist massacres of millions, but he must never actually regress to the true intellectual honesty of questioning his own basic assumptions, that is why he must never experience the short-circuit even if the whole world perishes.

[Anonymous No.17551793]

>>17551748
In short, arguing with a leftist is a total waste of time because their neurotical attachment to irrational romantic humanist utopian ends will never allow them to see that they are wrong even if the whole world is burning. This has been the key mistake of people who assume that the key of leftism is intellectual conviction based on reason, these people are then always surprised how leftists proceed to ignore all bad consequences and clearly erroneus intellectual positions and proceed as if nothing happened. Leftism is a neurotic psychological attachment to a religious feeling, it is in the primary sense an idolatry before it is an intellectual position and this is something only a few Catholic intellectuals who criticized modernity as heresy above all understood. The roots of modern leftism are not intellectual or based on reason, they are a heresy, an idolatry and as all heresies and idolatries cannot be solved by simply showing the intellectual error of them since reason has never been their lifeblood.

[Anonymous No.17551800]

>>17544333
>>17551748
Blessed trips of quality writing

[Anonymous No.17551813]

>>17551793
>This has been the key mistake of people who assume that the key of leftism is intellectual conviction based on reason, these people are then always surprised how leftists proceed to ignore all bad consequences and clearly erroneus intellectual positions and proceed as if nothing happened

This is why I lean towards civil war as the only way I see as tenable to truly restore balance.

[Anonymous No.17551848]

The more power the left gets the more it outs itself as a demonically inspired irrational heresy. When you give them total power the first thing they do is start massacring priests and monks and desecrating church property. Intellectual? There are demonic entities invested in the leftist paradigm and it always manifests at key moments, even Marx wrote verses to Satan. The metaphysical reality always makes an inroad into the purely material one and shows its ugly face. But as long as we will scoff at this and cut God away from our reality so long the left will have the power and be used as an instrument of Divine Punishment for out own disbelief. The left is the offshoot and the whip of a godless world. The fault does not lie with the left alone but with your disbelief. Go on and roll your eyes and scoff, this is the reason why you are where you are, but in your sickness you prefer everything above God. Every idea except responsibility towards God is preferrable, well then don't complain.

[Anonymous No.17552071]

ITT: butthurt rightists
Peterson is a schizo and so are you.

[Anonymous No.17552083]

>>17551793
>>17551800
>>17551848
Take your meds, schizos. God ain’t saying shit to you.

[Anonymous No.17552105]

>>17551813
You ain’t doing shit, Cletus. You already lost.

[Anonymous No.17552414]

>>17550685
Jung was a superstitious man, his ideas are not worth considering that seriously. Plus, will to power was how Nietzsche went beyond the will of the individual.

[Anonymous No.17552822]

>>17552414
>Jung was a superstitious man, his ideas are not worth considering that seriously.
I bet you're not even capable of defining or describing the distinction between conscious and unconscious.

>Plus, will to power was how Nietzsche went beyond the will of the individual.
The will to power is analogous to the antithesis of the eros principle, I.e., the will to self preservation.

It is the completely negation of the instinct to preservation of the species (the prerogative impulses of the objective unconscious). The will to power is the instinct to self preservation manifest through an identification with the state of being which embodies it.

You literally couldn't be more incorrect.

Maybe you should read Jung?

[Anonymous No.17552857]

>>17543185
based and correct mostly. However I think you are wrong about leftists being right or culutred EVER, specially on twitter, even though i agree the rightists that support peterson are quite retarded at least at the begining.

[Anonymous No.17552931]

>>17552822
Nietzsche already wrote about dreams and the shadow of the psyche in Human, All Too Human. To say that Jung somehow understood the unconscious while Nietzsche didn't is pretty ridiculous.

>You literally couldn't be more incorrect.
Beyond Good and Evil §19 and Will to Power §1067 show otherwise, as do his passages on nihilism and the subject as a fiction. Will to power was an ontological basis for his work and something that exists on all levels, both at the level of the individual and the level of the universe. So saying he "didn't quite go beyond the obvious instinctual nature of man, and into the processes that are really pulling the strings" is totally false.

[Anonymous No.17552981]

>>17552857
rightists are definitely the more plebeian on the whole, there is a reason they barely have any intellectuals these days. What they get right is due to common sense, they can't reason discursively.

[Anonymous No.17553067]

>>17552981
yes in genearal they are plebs, i i'll give you that
>there is a reason they barely have any intellectuals these days.
i dont agree with that, though. i think the reason is that we barely even exist inside the academia. For isntance i originally wanted to study politics or philosophy but I feel so disgusted by the lefty bullshit on campus i am studying engineering.
>What they get right is due to common sense, they can't reason discursively.
thats almost a contradiciton, because common sense is generally the same as palying basic logic, and I think the right is the only able to give actual arguments instead of fallacies like playing the victim when they are losing. Only the most intelligent in my class were conservative, measured in maths/history knowledge/skills. The other rightist are those who barely know how to do a sum, so they fuck up the average.
pic related is an example of the right arguing agaisnt the plebian lefties

[Anonymous No.17553109]

>>17542898
fuck off retard. Peterson is based

[Anonymous No.17553255]

>>17553067
>i dont agree with that, though. i think the reason is that we barely even exist inside the academia. For isntance i originally wanted to study politics or philosophy but I feel so disgusted by the lefty bullshit on campus i am studying engineering.
Actually it's probably partly due to genetics. We know from psychological studies that openess to experience (which includes intellectual curiosity and aesthetic sensitivity) is the only trait in the Five Factor Model that consistently predicts political orientation. Personalities with a bent towards intellectual/artistic pursuits tend to lean left/liberal for whatever reason.
>thats almost a contradiciton, because common sense is generally the same as palying basic logic, and I think the right is the only able to give actual arguments instead of fallacies like playing the victim when they are losing.
Common sense is something most people have, even if they have zero proclivity towards intellectualism. For example most people can grasp that there is something dreadfully wrong with idealism, even if they can't refute it. It has nothing to do with strong logical skills.

[Anonymous No.17553267]

>>17553255
>genetics
>psychological
>openess to experience
>Five Factor Model

ISHYGDDT

[Anonymous No.17553280]

>>17550900
if the debate is limited to philosophy than no

[Anonymous No.17553341]

>>17550900
>implying that a pop debate is actually an arena for intellectual exchange and not just a glorified shitting match
being good at public speaking and talking quickly is not a benchmark of intelligence or intellectual depth. you are not engaging with ideas, you are glorifying peterson because of his ability to churn out witty hot air. this is only compounded by the fact that your only response is "he would destroy you in a debate" rather than actually offering a counterargument. you're not interested in thinking, you just want to watch academic WWE to make your brain feel nice.

[Anonymous No.17553395]

>>17552931
No, he did understand that there existed an unconscious. He was perhaps one of the first to articulate that explicitly yes. However, what I'm arguing is that there is more depth to Jung's studies of the unconscious that Nietzsche didn't have the time to fully explore. Instead, he proposed a solution based on the limited knowledge of the psyche that he had. Crime and Punishment illustrated perfectly what Nietzsche failed to realize, that is, you cannot fight against your inner morality. You are not the one in control and there is such things as good and evil.

[Anonymous No.17553461]

>>17552931
What he did was completely negate the instincts to procreate, to have a family, to fit in and be classified by social strata through performative norms, I.e. he refused to let his instincts for the continuation of the species interfere with the will to power (the instinct of self preservation and conservation).

So, you've misunderstood him as he misunderstood himself.

[Anonymous No.17553595]

Not to create another Nietzsche thread, what is your opinion on the Birth of Tragedy? I haven't read any Nietzsche but from glimpses I'm more attracted to what he has to say about art and aesthetics specifically moreso than his ideas on morality and Christianity (I know it's all connected though). Which books of his should I read to get the most out of his aesthetics?

[Anonymous No.17553733]

>>17553595
Youd be reading him for his criticism of aesthetics, not necessarily to define your own conceptual framework in any way other than through a supercilious integration of critical diction and ideas.

If youd like to refine your aesthetic sensibilities you should look to developing whatever creativity you have. If you have none, perhaps learn semiotics and the psychological theories of association from the psychoanalysts.

[Anonymous No.17553748]

>>17553395
>However, what I'm arguing is that there is more depth to Jung's studies of the unconscious that Nietzsche didn't have the time to fully explore.
That could be true, as I haven't read much Jung and Nietzsche wasn't concerned all that much with it.

>what Nietzsche failed to realize, that is, you cannot fight against your inner morality.
I don't see how he failed to realize this. When does he argue to go against your own instincts? He always says the opposite.

Be not virtuous beyond your powers! And seek nothing from yourselves opposed to probability!
Walk in the footsteps in which your fathers’ virtue hath already walked! How would ye rise high, if your fathers’ will should not rise with you?
He, however, who would be a firstling, let him take care lest he also become a lastling! And where the vices of your fathers are, there should ye not set up as saints!
He whose fathers were inclined for women, and for strong wine and flesh of wildboar swine; what would it be if he demanded chastity of himself?
A folly would it be! Much, verily, doth it seem to me for such a one, if he should be the husband of one or of two or of three women.
And if he founded monasteries, and inscribed over their portals: “The way to holiness,”—I should still say: What good is it! it is a new folly!
He hath founded for himself a penance-house and refuge-house: much good may it do! But I do not believe in it.
In solitude there groweth what any one bringeth into it—also the brute in one’s nature. Thus is solitude inadvisable unto many.
Hath there ever been anything filthier on earth than the saints of the wilderness? AROUND THEM was not only the devil loose—but also the swine.

>>17553461
>What he did was completely negate the instincts to procreate, to have a family, to fit in and be classified by social strata through performative norms,
No he did not. See above. You seem to have ignored the part where he states that his philosophy is for a certain type of person, not for everyone.

[Anonymous No.17553760]

>>17553733
kys

[Anonymous No.17553797]

>>17543185
>implying leftists read books
information flow nowadays is like a river of sludge and filth streamed 24/h in people's brains, and said people would rather scream at eachother those -isms instead of saying anything productive. They are completely and utterly ideologically possessed whilst not having an inkling of what ideology it really is, they just scream things to feel good about themselves and to affirm us v them dynamics
People who gravitate towards Peterson are most likely those who would like to think that there is more to the world than perpetual shitflinging and namecalling, this whole mess that is modern society, what Peterson refers to as "chaos" in some instances, pretty much
a lot of young and lost people, particularly males, want to get out of it, while the young leftists, seeing as they culturally are in power, revel and relish in their own filth, believing themselves to be enlightened

[Anonymous No.17553848]

>>17543580
>ad hominem
should we also disregard everything Dosto wrote about because he was addicted to gambling and had several affairs?
Anonymous retards brought the stereotype of the holier-than-thou critic to whole other levels of repulsive, both here and on twatter

[Anonymous No.17553887]

>>17553760
You'll speak when spoken to, peon.

[Anonymous No.17553918]

>>17552083
so cool anon, are you still stuck in 2006?

[Anonymous No.17554040]

>spiritually sick
>the soul
lmao give me ONE shred of evidence that any of that’s real

[Anonymous No.17554078]

>>17554040
>>17554040
>give me ONE shred of evidence that any of that’s real

here you go: >>17554040

[Anonymous No.17554125]

>>17554078
evidence of absence is not evidence of existence

[Anonymous No.17554213]

>>17554040
What do u mean by real?

[Anonymous No.17554264]

>>17553918
Quiet kikeworshipper

[Anonymous No.17554324]

>>17554264
you have mental issues I assume?

[Anonymous No.17554393]

>>17554324
You’re the Christian here.

[Anonymous No.17554431]

>>17551748
>The more absurd the ideologies supposedly leading to these final ends become, the more the leftist mind becomes emotionally invested in upholding them, were it not so the entire paradigm of progress towards social utopia under the leftist flag would collapse and this would short-circuit the leftist mind and render him insane bringing all kinds of questions he thought he solved already (rightists and conservatives are morons who dont read, christianity is false, capital is the root of all evil etc. etc.) back to the forefront. The leftist will do anything, even defend communist massacres of millions, but he must never actually regress to the true intellectual honesty of questioning his own basic assumptions, that is why he must never experience the short-circuit even if the whole world perishes.
Absolutely fucking true. The modern day leftist is like the new 18th century nobleman. All of his self-esteem is derived from things he never worked for. For example, have you ever heard a leftist talk about how proud they are to be anti-racist? If you were to ask them how this came to be, if they worked or struggled to achieve the state of anti-racism, they would scoff and dismiss your question. Because the answer is obvious, they were inculcated from a young age by the education system to BE anti-racist, ergo it's not exactly something they earned or worked hard to achieve.

The modern leftist is obsessed with values they did not work to achieve. Things like their race, their sexual preference, etc. All of these things require a boogeyman, a caricature of a human being to stand in stark opposition to. What good is being an anti-racist unless there exists some evil caricature of a racist? What good is being queer if heterosexuality weren't some all-assuming power?

The left NEEDS the right to be villain or else their entire existence would be shown to be the hollow lie it is. This is what happens when you derive your sense of self-worth from your inherent qualities rather than ones you work to achieve. Much like the nobles of old, who thought themselves superior because of their blue blood, today's leftists have this predominant characteristic of unearned superiority.

[Anonymous No.17554435]

>>17543126
Nailed it.

[Anonymous No.17554525]

>>17554393
I am not
So which mental issues do you have? One, several...

[Anonymous No.17554531]

>>17553918
2006 is some year I’m supposed to recognize?

[Anonymous No.17554880]

>>17554040
Shut up

[Anonymous No.17555044]

>>17542898
Can you neechee fags just die? JP didn’t get anything wrong he just didn’t fellate your syphilis ridden fraudster. JP is right when he says that, that’s what he’s trying to get at.

[Anonymous No.17555161]

>>17542898
JP is a total pseud and anyone with a brain already knew this years ago. That isn't to say his basic "advice" is wrong, but he's not nearly as smart as people give him credit for and a lot of his more complex takes are pretty far off the mark.

[Anonymous No.17555199]

>>17548157
>he literally has a 156 IQ
Proof positive that IQ != general intelligence even if there's a correlation.

[Anonymous No.17555233]

>>17555199
Then what does it equal?

[Anonymous No.17555359]

>>17552414
>Jung was a superstitious man
lel

[Anonymous No.17555716]

>>17555359
>muh collective unconscious

[Anonymous No.17555851]

>>17555716
Ok then, explain your criticism of Jung with reference to his ideas.

[Anonymous No.17556048]

>>17555199
>Even if there's a correlation.
Of like 99% with a 1% margin of error lmao.

[Anonymous No.17556087]

>>17553255
>intellectual=artistic
lmao retarded take. Arts are axiological, intellecutals are epystemological. Phycycists are intellectuals, a lot more than literature pseuds and lefty pseuds ins sociology.
That "five factors model" seems quite stupid too.
Common sense generally does relly on logic or facts. Actually logic is common sense made into rules. Another example:

[Anonymous No.17556112]

There's not morality so there can be no right or wrong. Therefore Peterson is right.
Neetchuh is shite.

[Anonymous No.17556123]

>>17542898
>im the only one who truly understands <philosopher>
fuck off undergrad. stop being 20

[Anonymous No.17556165]

>>17555851
The collective unconscious and aspects of it like the anima and animus are far-fetched notions. There are habits and instincts ingrained in the body, but anything related to social / memetic interactions is going to be too recent in our history to be instinctive; not to mention, trying to assess an individual's psychology this way is reductive and backwards. Jungian psychoanalysis as a field is full of quacks and loons and it's no surprise why. Behavioral patterns are not derived from archetypes nor do the archetypes represent anything within us because "us" is a fictional notion to begin with.

[Anonymous No.17556424]

>>17556123
Based.

[Anonymous No.17556449]

>>17556123
based

[Anonymous No.17556628]

>>17556123
based

[Anonymous No.17556927]

>>17553748
Would Nietzsche agree with this statement. "Morality and your purpose is to be discovered, not created." My sense is that yes, he would disagree with this statement. His solution implied some level of transcending yourself, which Jung would've argued is the opposite of a solution.

How he defined instincts matters. He took more of a pass at the instincts, but didn't dive deep enough. The problem is, your moral compass is too complicated to completely articulate. That's where Nietzsche can be distinguished from Jung. He believed in unbridled skepticism of the old morals, while failing to realize his own human nature, though he pretended to take that into account. He lived miserably because of this, as if possessed by his unnatural illustration of Zarathustra.

[Anonymous No.17556935]

>>17553797
All leftists do is read books.

[Anonymous No.17557034]

>>17556165
Not him but I bet you couldn't define the unconscious in contrast to consciousness.

[Anonymous No.17557087]

>>17556935
there are other types who do not, in my experience

[Anonymous No.17557151]

>>17557087
We call those people 'anarchists'

[Anonymous No.17557582]

>>17556927
>Would Nietzsche agree with this statement. "Morality and your purpose is to be discovered, not created."
He would disagree, but his disagreement doesn't support your thesis that he implied some level of transcending yourself, because for Nietzsche, the act of creation is a bodily act (Deleuze called it the autoproductive unconscious). The body creates its own reality, its values, its morality, and so on.

>He lived miserably because of this, as if possessed by his unnatural illustration of Zarathustra.
Perhaps, but whether this is true or not doesn't make much of a difference. His critique of morality and metaphysics is that these are a type of degeneration of the instincts. Nietzsche conceived of the will as a multiplicity of voracious instincts that, in its natural state, was chaotic. Moral and metaphysical principles tread on that natural chaos.

[Anonymous No.17557597]

>>17550900
>implying moving the goalpost is "destroying" someone in a "debate"
Lmao keep drooling retard

[Anonymous No.17557643]

>>17557582
Also, note that "body," "instincts" and "will" are all interchangeable in this post

[Anonymous No.17557671]

>>17557582
And just to summarize the terms in this post for clarification: the individual will is the body, and the body is a multiplicity of instincts.

[Anonymous No.17557699]

>>17556123
based

[Anonymous No.17558371]

>>17542898
These truly are the twilight days of /lit/. Just watch the damn video, he's not saying that we can't conceive of personal values he's saying we can't just reprogram ourselves to follow them, because he's a psychologist and he knows that your 'values' aren't your values if you don't enact them and feel like doing so.

[Anonymous No.17558761]

>>17553341
>ad hominem inditement of other people's ad hominem argument styles
Wha-huh?

[Anonymous No.17559786]

>>17556087
>intellectual=artistic
I said the trait includes *both* intellectual curiosity and aesthetic sensitivity. Not that they are the same.
>That "five factors model" seems quite stupid too.
Probably because you don't understand it. It has more predictive power than whatever folk psychology you can come up with.
>Common sense generally does relly on logic or facts.
No, common sense has nothing to do with deductive logic. Common sense is not a skill, most mentally functional adults have it by default. But ask them to put their thoughts in a form of a clearly defined set of premises and a conclusion, and watch how their brain struggles.

[Anonymous No.17559788]

>this thread is still up
this board is doomed

[Anonymous No.17559814]

>>17559788
I made it Im so sorry. I didnt think it would have more than like 30 replies lmao

[Anonymous No.17560619]

>>17543185
cringe

[Anonymous No.17561373]

>>17542898
bump

[Anonymous No.17561379]

Saving this thread as proof how stupid neetchfags are.

[Anonymous No.17561428]

>>17543185
learn to use the fucking return key, god damn this is a mess

[Anonymous No.17561500]

>>17559786
You see, iif we are talking memes, ntellectuals have a more promienent use of the left brain, and arts on the left so they are different.
No, the five factors model is a teen magazine quiz tier, just like the reatarded reddit mbti, just made up nonsense
>common sense has nothing to do with deductive logic.
yes it does, otherwise explain how did people come up with logic. I agrre though that in some cases common sense can be not logical, for instance methaphysical as you said before, bu logi is included in commen sense, not all common sense is included in logic

[Anonymous No.17561512]

>spend years trying to peddle religion under the guise of science
>finally get to debate someone who knows shit about both religion and atheism
>embarrass yourself by claiming that oil paintings are impossible without the belief in Jesus Christ and that people thousands of years ago totally knew about genes because they used to draw spiral patterns
>spend 3 years criticizing marxism
>finally get to debate an insane but highly knowledgeable marxist on stage
>turns out The Communist Manifesto and Archipelago Gulag is literally all you have ever read about the topic
>get destroyed so hard you OD on opioids and have to be put in coma

Jesus. I agree with the whole clean your room thing but damn.

[Anonymous No.17561572]

>>17543185
How is this a good post?
>Peterson provides a safe space for uneducated, underread retards who don't understand the world but still hate it
The solution to that is to start reading, to engage with real literature and thought. Peterson could have used his attractive manner of speech to spread real wisdom and education to these disgruntled retards you describe. Instead, he chooses to be a sophist.

[Anonymous No.17561591]

>>17542898
Peterson is right here. We can't create our own values and live by them. It is pure arrogance to disregard your tradition and the values of the society around you.