/wg/ - Writing General

[Anonymous No.17478772]

Any progress on your novels?

previous thread:>>17460856

For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft

For Poetry:
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry

Related Material:
>What Editors Do
>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar
>Garner's Modern English Usage

Suggested books on storytelling:
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
>Romance the Beat

Suggested books on getting your fucking work done you lazy piece of shit:
>Deep Work
>Atomic Habits

Traditional publishing
> Formatting manuscript
https://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-format/
> Write a query
https://www.janefriedman.com/query-letters/
> Track your query
https://querytracker.net/

Other Resources
>General grammar/syntax/editing help
https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/purdue_owl.html
> When/where/how should I write?
https://jamesclear.com/daily-routines-writers
> What software should I write with?
https://self-publishingschool.com/book-writing-software-best/
> Amazon Publishing to make that KDP monie
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200635650
> Be like Charles Dickens and write serially
https://www.royalroad.com/
> Basic overview of the Screenplay format
https://screenwriting.info/

[Anonymous No.17478790]

I'm going to write a visual novel

[Anonymous No.17478825]

So I was on a thread on /tg/ about geographical worldbuilding and feel this question could also be appropriate to ask here, just extrapolate it to all dimensions of fictional believability and realism beyond geography, it can be easily applied as far as the psychology and behavior of characters. I'm ESL so I'm sorry in advance if it's hard to understand my point:

How much effort do you guys put into creating geography that makes sense? It's the whole scifi issue where you may go through tons of effort trying to make things be logical but when it comes down to it, if something in the realm of speculative fiction is sufficiently analyzed from a scientific point of view, it will always be exposed as an unrealistic crock of shit(even if it takes 100 years to dismantle it in light of further discoveries).

Do you just make it believable enough with common sense logic to avoid the more obvious mistakes(like don't put a scorching desert next to frozen tundra) so non-experts like you and other common folk cant immediately point out the flaws and question its logic?
Like for example, in those medical dramas, most people can enjoy them just fine without overthinking it but if actual doctors try to watch them, no matter how hard they try to accept its just dramatized fiction and do their best to suspend their disbelief, they will still be involuntarily taken out of it, constantly cringing and rolling their eyes at the ridiculous inaccuracies.

Or can we just accept its all pure escapist nonsensical schlock where anything goes and embrace that things are the way they are for maximum entertainment? Because if that's the case, why do we see everyone holding back and making futile attempts at making things adhere to the constraints of realism? If its really just about keeping it believable enough with things that don't blatantly challenge the basic understanding of laymen, doesn't that mean ignorance is an essential part of what allows us to enjoy speculative world building? Because again, if we can simply 100% accept it just comes down to set up whatever accomplishes maximum entertainment and turning some of our brain off there's a whole lot of unnecessary and even counterproductive effort in orchestrating events that feel grounded.

[Anonymous No.17478842]

>>17478772
burn in hell animefag

[Anonymous No.17478860]

>>17478825
>Do you just make it believable enough with common sense logic to avoid the more obvious mistakes
This, because I'm making it up as I go. I may refine a bit down the way but during the act of creation this is what I do.

>r can we just accept its all pure escapist nonsensical schlock... there's a whole lot of unnecessary and even counterproductive effort in orchestrating events that feel grounded.
That's called being lazy and not giving a fuck. If your story is meant to be fun and whimsical, and does it for a reason, go for it. Otherwise people will subconsciously notice, they'll think something is off and then assume you're just being lazy and not giving a fuck. They'll be right.

[Anonymous No.17478864]

>>17478772
I wrote better when I was mentally ill and on a lot of drugs, wtf do I do bros?

[Anonymous No.17478878]

>>17478864
I don't know. I only write good when I'm tired as fuck in the middle of the night. I guess I'm too self-critical when I'm fully alert and that just paralyzes me.

[Anonymous No.17478974]

A few threads ago, I posted about wanting to write a forced incestuous relationship between brother-sister without it being fetishized or making it sympathetic. I come again to ask if it's imperative for me to read psychological books on the subject? While I do not plan on letting realism get the better of me when writing a story, I still want to write their interaction and behavior with some touches of realism.

[Anonymous No.17478983]

>>17478974
If it's not fetishistic or sympathetic what is the point? Are you just writing a "molesting your sibling is bad" story?

[Anonymous No.17478993]

>>17478983
>what is the point
he contracted "the hentai brain"

[Anonymous No.17479018]

>>17478974
>forced incestuous relationship between brother-sister without it being fetishized
I don't think that's possible.

[Anonymous No.17479039]

>>17478974
By forced do you mean one forcing the other, or like somebody else forcing them to fuck?

[Anonymous No.17479048]

>>17478974
you need to read some psychological books.

[Anonymous No.17479152]

>>17478860
>That's called being lazy and not giving a fuck. If your story is meant to be fun and whimsical, and does it for a reason, go for it. Otherwise people will subconsciously notice, they'll think something is off and then assume you're just being lazy and not giving a fuck. They'll be right.
Like I said, I was making an argument beyond worldbuilding, basically about straddling the line between all maners of realism/believability and quality engaging fiction(which by nature inevitably defies scientific logic to some degree)

For example, about character behavior, you may think of Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs as a really engaging, well written character. That said, some genius psychologist from the future that fully understands how human brains work would immediately pinpoint an exhaustive plethora of reasons for why the character is ridiculously unrealistic and not at all grounded in reality. In that case, if you were to argue characters are great not because of how realistic they are and we should overlook the logical flaws of fictional narratives then how come we go through so much effort of making things believable when after all its not about realism? Because if its about making quality engaging fiction while still maintaining a level of believability - enough to fool our ignorant selves(by avoiding the more blatant shit that immediately takes us out of it for making no sense) and keeping us oblivious or more willing to overlook and not overthink the less obvious, subtler inaccuracies - since the only reason those inaccuracies are subtle/less obvious and therefore more easily given a pass is because of our own lack of an immediate deeper understanding of the extent those aspects defy reason, our enjoyment of fiction is bound to a degree by our intellectual limitations.

[Anonymous No.17479172]

>Spend the past three years writing a 400 page book on a "time cube" tier philosophical theory
> It's actually not time cube tier but a genuinely original and pathbreaking idea and a magisterial synthesis of various sciences and disciplines that ought to change how humanity views itself forever
> Realize because I don't have an advanced degree it will still be seen of as a time cube theory regardless, assuming it is ever read at all
>Has negligible chances of finding a publisher and even less of a chance of finding an audience
>Self-publishing it would only certify that it is time cube tier, would make me look like a schizophrenic weirdo
>It won't even be "rediscovered" and appreciated years after my death because that's not how things work in the internet age

[Anonymous No.17479174]

>>17479152
>our enjoyment of fiction is bound to a degree by our intellectual limitations.
uh, yes

duh

[Anonymous No.17479175]

>>17479152
it's not all or nothing, bro. certain genres lack realism, other genres constantly commit to realism, but only so far as it's important to the plot which is often just enough to satisfy an expert and not enough to arouse their suspicion. but that's not even taking into account that what genre you choose determines who your audience is. if you want your piece to have some levity then you can throw in a few exaggerations or inaccuracies because your audience is searching for light fare.

[Anonymous No.17479189]

>>17478825
>>17479152
Can you say the same in, like, 40 words or less?

[Anonymous No.17479190]

>>17479152
Lack of knowledge isn't necessarily an intellectual limitation, especially about things no one actually knows right now, such as your example of "exactly how the human brain works". In the first place I'm not sure if that's a particularly realistic example, and if we were at that point where this was commonly understood by all people and valued to the point where "inaccuracy" broke suspension of disbelief, fiction would more likely be generated by simulations than actually created by human beings.

In the first place unrealistic fiction such as fantasy involves the suspension of disbelief, and attempting to make a fantasy world realistic is somewhat of a fool's errand if pursued too far. Being believable is often more about what feels right than what is literally correct, and I think it holds even if the audience has knowledge of what "would be right." Personally I think what you call ignorance is where creativity is born, what inspires people to fill in the gaps with imagination and where a lot of art is born from. If we were to really know everything, fiction would likely lose all value or purpose in society.

[Anonymous No.17479193]

>>17479189
i second this.

[Anonymous No.17479206]

>>17479189
>>17479193
>/lit/
>writing general
>users still can't read two short paragraphs
That's gonna be a yikes from me

[Anonymous No.17479212]

>>17479206
Yeah, it's "writing general" not "reading general". I'm not going to crawl through anon's flooding stream of consciousness in the name of literature, just because he sucks at expressing himself.

[Anonymous No.17479213]

>>17479206
this is a writing critique thread and if you don't think his paragraphs need clarity and concision then that's going to be a yikes from me. a big yikes.

[Anonymous No.17479227]

>>17479193
>>17479189
I'm not sure lol, like I said I'm ESL so it's much more of a struggle to make an understandable point concisely while making sure it's still somewhat substantiated. Sorry for any redundancies and lack of clarity.

[Anonymous No.17479232]

>>17479227
When presenting an argument, you should start simple and clear, and go into detail only when people ask for detail. Just for future reference.

[Anonymous No.17479257]

>>17479039
I don't think force was an appropriate word to use, but the older sister is trying to be in a relationship with the younger brother and is trying to initiate it in a subtle manner.

>>17479048
Can you recommend some, please?

[Anonymous No.17479258]

What do you think of science fiction writing?

[Anonymous No.17479266]

>>17479257
That definitely sounds like a hentai plot

[Anonymous No.17479268]

>>17479258
Scifi is at its best when it's about autistic tech descriptions, science, and future predictions. And at its worst when it's just fantasy but with magic wands replaced with "technology". And don't you dare quote Clarke at me ever again.

[Anonymous No.17479272]

>>17479258
doesn't really float my boner

[Anonymous No.17479287]

>>17479268
This but the opposite

[Anonymous No.17479297]

>>17479287
lol

[Anonymous No.17479408]

I don't know what to write. I'm good at programming, but I feel like if I write something tech-based it will be too esoteric

[Anonymous No.17479540]

Dropped 1k words tonight on a first draft of a new short story. It's not much but it's honest work.

[Anonymous No.17480035]

>>17479408
Why not write a how to book? Like how to make x project, a simple game or app

[Anonymous No.17480087]

>>17479172
>It's actually not time cube tier but a genuinely original and pathbreaking idea and a magisterial synthesis of various sciences and disciplines that ought to change how humanity views itself forever
Sounds like a psychosis in the making, dumb phoneposter.

[Anonymous No.17480205]

>>17479172
Why don't you post a summary of your book and we can decide if you're an unappreciated genius or schizo

[Anonymous No.17480353]

i can't come up with anything and seeing these multi talented amateur game devs make me feel terrible. i'm going to read for now

[Anonymous No.17480437]

>>17480353
Where do you see talented game devs? I've played multiple indie games on Steam and they've all been mediocre to shit

[Anonymous No.17480490]

>>17478825
>How much effort do you guys put into creating geography that makes sense?
Honestly? I just use Azgaar and tweak as I see fit.

[Anonymous No.17480499]

>>17480437
i didn't mean good, only that they can draw and make music and program and design a system and come up with stories/characters probably better than i can. that's a lot of things one is capable of and it can make others feel small, ya dig

[Anonymous No.17480560]

Anybody in here actually have an audience that reads your stuff? No matter how small it is

[Anonymous No.17480583]

>>17480560
yeah my parents

[Anonymous No.17480697]

>>17480560
I have 120~ish people following mine on RR. I have a few friends reading it as well.

[Anonymous No.17480701]

>>17480560
People read the news website I write and edit for and the smut I produce. No one reads my creative stuff though.

[Anonymous No.17480751]

>>17480701
you a journalist?

[Anonymous No.17480769]

>>17480751
I work for a news website so I suppose so, it's one of the things I am.

[Anonymous No.17480835]

>>17480560
my code gets reviewed on a daily basis

[Anonymous No.17480892]

I get so burnt out with the planning phase. Best way to counteract this?

[Anonymous No.17480901]

>>17480892
Writing.

[Anonymous No.17480911]

How hard is it really to get something published? If I look around on amazon there's mountains of garbage, some even with basic spelling errors, published as physical books

[Anonymous No.17480972]

>>17480911
As you imagine, it's as easy as clicking a few buttons and uploading your word doc.

[Anonymous No.17480978]

During last thread, I started to write this story about a chick who is scientifically resurrected in a far future world to fight machine life forms. Just for fun, to unwind, I had no intention to publish it anywhere. Zero planning, no research, nothing, just making it up as I go.

I'm esl but I normally write only in English. In fact, I haven't been able to write anything more elaborate than a shopping list in my own language in over ten years. I've tried many times, but every idea just dies after the first few paragraphs when I don't know what to do with them.
But now, mysteriously, I'm actually excited about this. 3k words in and I'm just getting more ideas faster than I can type them. How the fuck did that happen, anyway?

[Anonymous No.17481081]

>>17480901
f u g

[Anonymous No.17481314]

>>17480560
I've got a little over 80 followers and 240 faves for some innocent slice-of-life stories that play to my fetishes. I've even had a fan PMing back and forth with me wanting to learn more about the world and its characters.

Overall I've had much more success than I thought i would. I was worried that the smut in my writing would be too tame for most people and that nobody would care.

[Anonymous No.17481501]

>>17480560
I have a few hundred followers and consistently get 50-150 faves per story on my M/M ones. M/F gets less. SFW writing I haven't bothered posting, yet.

[Anonymous No.17481591]

>>17480560
Are we bragging about followers now? Okay
maybe three of them actually like what I write

[Anonymous No.17481618]

>>17480560
Somewhere between ~200 and ~3k
I don't have a way to find out how many unique visitors I get so I divide the flat number of views shown by the amount of updates I've put out for a reasonable minimum.

[Anonymous No.17481639]

Hello my friends, I would like your opinions on the part of the story that I only know how to describe as "resolving the climax." In the aftermath of the whole being forced to confront the antagonist thing, one of my protagonist's friends is injured. I sense a good opportunity to force them to make a difficult decision in order to get them healed. However, I already have my protagonist facing the main difficult decision I imagined for them in the climax. Is it worth having them give something else (of lesser importance) up at that point in the story, or would I be better off just hurrying to the happy ending, since I plan on having a happy ending either way?

[Anonymous No.17481685]

>>17481591
what website / service is this, anon?

[Anonymous No.17481688]

>>17481685
Royal road

[Anonymous No.17481851]

I WANNA FUCK THAT 2D CHARACTERS PUSSYHOLE!!!!!

[Anonymous No.17481914]

>>17481639
>the part of the story that I only know how to describe as "resolving the climax.
its called the denouement. there's nothing wrong with a little cleanup at the end, but the small problem should be resolved extremely quickly, and serve to show that everything is a-okay. alternately you can leave the resolution to whatever small issue they're dealing with as somewhat ambiguous as a plothook for your next book

[Anonymous No.17482226]

>>17481914
I think what I'm going to do is have them not want to go to the physical location where the conclusion I have planned takes place, but be forced to in order to save their friend. Seems like a nice linear sort of compromise between a second emotional climax and nothing at all.

That means I've wrapped up my outlining, and it looks like I have about 20 more chapters to write than what I've already written. I hope I can crank out a good draft by the end of March.

[Anonymous No.17482514]

>sent a girl my 1st draft on thursday night while drunk after mentioning it before and she saying she wanted to read it
>she said she'd read it after work
>4 days later, she hasn't said anything
b-bros?

[Anonymous No.17482531]

>>17482514
You fucked up.

[Anonymous No.17482717]

>Alright I'm gonna read this agatha christie novel
>And I'm gonna pay attention to her prose and story construction to learn
>3 pages in I'm in the story and forgot about the prose

HOW DO THEY KEEP DOING IT

[Anonymous No.17482834]

>>17478772
Writing a Touhou doujin book has proven more difficult then I excepted.
I had to scrap a chapter about a wine tasting party at Remilia' mansion because it had to many characters. Now I'm outlining a chapter about a diner party at the mansion instead.
Also, Touhou is so "high magic" that it can be difficult to have conflict or tension sometimes but it's great when I get something to work.

[Anonymous No.17482848]

Any advice for a query letter I just sent one out but it was my 1st

[Anonymous No.17482862]

>>17482514
i prompt my test readers with a request that they only read so far as they want and to relay to me where they stopped so i might get a rough estimate on where readers hang and how many drop it altogether. it's a guarantee that part of your readership will not finish your book. it's good to have a sense in how those numbers shake out.

[Anonymous No.17482894]

It was a dark and stormy night

[Anonymous No.17482901]

>Why yes I do read Wish Mountain, how could you tell?

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/37998/wish-mountain/chapter/609878/the-trial-of-hress-dunter-chapter-one

[Anonymous No.17482919]

>>17482901
You should have picked a more attractive pen name

[Anonymous No.17482930]

Hunter Biden gets a $2 million advance for his ghost written book about his drug addiction and harem of mistresses and illegitimate children. I hate rich people. Life is so easy for them

[Anonymous No.17482948]

>>17482901
does the protag tongue-punch the butthole on that jaguar woman?

[Anonymous No.17482972]

I hate generic looking anime girls

[Anonymous No.17483026]

Pro tip for anyone looking to use RoyalRoad as a reader, exclude any fictions tagged with "harem" immediately. It's going to save you a lot of time.

[Anonymous No.17483149]

There's nothing wrong with wanting to write a visual novel!

[Anonymous No.17483164]

>>17482862
I think the real lesson I've learnt is not to send a tech-illiterate girl a pdf document in which the font is so small it's prohibitively difficult to read it on a phone

[Anonymous No.17483170]

>>17483149
excepting the severe brain damage, of course

[Anonymous No.17483215]

Post your best review:
>Oh, this is brilliant. This is absolutely brilliant. I don't have the words to describe how much I love this story.
Sometimes wonder what this person is up to. Probably licking a wall somewhere given their taste

[Anonymous No.17483229]

>>17483215
It's not nice to talk about your own mother like that.

[Anonymous No.17483298]

>>17483215
Ah sorry anon I must have posted that comment in the wrong browser tab

[Anonymous No.17483415]

>>17483215
Too often when I read Science Fiction novels I find myself having to put them down because I'm overwhelmed by endless descriptions of technology that I genuinely don't care about.

With this one, I was actually able to get into the story because I wasn't forced to read about how many ion cannons there are on each side of the ship. There are interesting characters with a lot of personality, and a story that makes sense without having to infodump every other page. Right from the start you're being thrown into an interesting story, and are shown characters that you'll actually find yourself caring about very early on.
The grammar is consistently great, and the author has a style that stands apart from everything else I've read on this site. I don't have anything but praise in this regard. When I first started reading this I came across a few mistakes here and there, but the author has since gone back and rewritten a lot of his earlier chapters to make them better.

If you like Legend of the Galactic Heroes, and space operas in general, you're definitely not going to want to miss this novel. The author also takes the time to include pretty decent illustrations within the chapters, which I find to be a very nice addition.

[Anonymous No.17483468]

>>17482901
If you spent half as much time writing as you seem to spend shilling, you might be able to post more than 4 chapters per month.

[Anonymous No.17483471]

>>17483415
>Saga of the Cosmic Heroes
Jesus christ
Your story may be good, but you really need to think of a different title

[Anonymous No.17483482]

>>17483468
The chapters are written, my editor edits for free so they're done when they're done.

[Anonymous No.17483721]

>>17483468
>4 chapters per month
assuming they're normal length chapters and not sub 2k ones, what's wrong with releasing 1 chapter a week? I mean, obviously readers would like the whole thing splatted down all at once, but it doesn't work like that. what would be the ideal release schedule?

[Anonymous No.17483799]

>>17483471
I think it's a title that works even if it is a little on the nose

[Anonymous No.17483859]

I've been building a garden instead of writing. It feels so good to finally be making things with my hands instead of work/writing all being on a computer.

To manifest my will upon the soil I walk gives a feeling of satisfaction second only to the soft touch of a caring woman.

[Anonymous No.17483882]

>>17482930
Is it though? If he wasn't rich he probably wouldn't live his decadent life of sin, which while it gives him momentary pleasures, is probably largely unfulfilling and empty of meaning

[Anonymous No.17483885]

I WILL endeavor to write or edit one chapter each day. Barring that I will write atleast 2000 words per day. If I need to take some extra time to perfect a chapter I will but I won't use it as an excuse to procrastinate.

Sorry for the blogpost but I need to have my commitment written down so that I don't subconciously try to weasel out of it.

[Anonymous No.17483890]

>>17483149
Fata Morgana is overrated

[Anonymous No.17483896]

for any writer here, but especially begginers: be as minimalistic as you can. this is the cure to almost all bad prose. cut down like crazy. be subtle. keep down the artistry. this will prevent future you from cringing so hard at that awful awful prose youre writing right now.

[Anonymous No.17483941]

>>17483896
I already can’t write enough words, and you want me to get rid of more?!

[Anonymous No.17483970]

>>17483941
You need to let yourself write more words first, then get rid of them. You are like a step below the point where you are ready for his advice

[Anonymous No.17483987]

>>17480087
Wasn't phoneposting. Who has the psychosis now?
>>17480205
I refuse to share my work on 4chan because
1. Posting things here is degrading and cheapens it
2. It's rare for people here to critique in good faith, they tend to come from a hostile and malicious bias.

[Anonymous No.17484001]

>>17483987
There's always shitposters but people in this thread are pretty decent most of the time. I wouldn't want anything I was planning to publish to be findable here either though.

[Anonymous No.17484060]

>>17484001
That's the thing, I don't want to play my hand in a slummy area of the internet like this. It's no sign of self-respect. I wouldn't do it on Reddit either. I can't think of anywhere on the internet where I would present my ideas unless it was on a blog where I controlled the conversation. Which I plan to do eventually. If I could garner interest from qualified individuals I would measure only that as a sign of success.

[Anonymous No.17484105]

>Wrote 2000 words of erotic roleplay
>Can't just sit down and write my novel
What's wrong with me?

[Anonymous No.17484121]

>>17484105
despite how much shit we talk about published authors, i believe it's time we accept that novel writing is actually very hard.

[Anonymous No.17484151]

>>17484121
It is also quite a bit of fun discussing an idea with someone as excited about it as you are instead of just writing in a vacuum.

[Anonymous No.17484228]

>>17484151
>discussing an idea with someone as excited about it as you
God I wish.

[Anonymous No.17484238]

>>17483882
Yeah, I'd rather be rich and have multiple gfs and a $2 million book deal instead of a wagie job, living with my parents, no gf, and no book deal

[Anonymous No.17484241]

>>17484228
Just go on f-list, anon.

[Anonymous No.17484252]

>>17484238
You would probably not be happier

[Anonymous No.17484259]

>>17484252
I would definitely be happier with all those things instead of the current situation, which is not having any of those things

[Anonymous No.17484266]

>>17484259
You would not. Those things don't bring happiness in themselves. If you are imagining a life where those things are making you happy it is already pretty different than what Biden's mentally deficient son is living through

[Anonymous No.17484317]

>>17484266
Dude, that guy is living the life of an isekai protagonist. Completely average, but for reasons, gets to go on fun adventures while surrounded by a harem of cuties. And now he gets an ending like the LOTR, with Frodo/Hunter writing the book that you've been reading

[Anonymous No.17484367]

>>17484266
huge cope.

[Anonymous No.17484390]

>>17484266
I would be much happier if I didn't have to stay up nights with anxiety over whether or not I will make my rent every month right now, yes.

[Anonymous No.17484395]

>>17484317
Maybe if he wasn't addicted to drugs. Addiction drains pretty much all joy out of life.

[Anonymous No.17484412]

>>17483468
Anon, marketing is half of the book's success.

[Anonymous No.17484542]

>>17483149
Based. How do you find an artist to co-operate with?

[Anonymous No.17484543]

>>17484542
Learn to draw and make the art yourself.

[Anonymous No.17484549]

>>17483890
your mom is overrated

[Anonymous No.17484558]

>>17484549
I liked it but the final arc kind of sucked.

[Anonymous No.17484582]

Read through And Then There Were None since I kept hearing praise that it's the greatest mystery novel of all time.
Got to admit I'm disappointed. A lot of the culprit's plan seems to be based on pure luck, it's a bit contrived that it just worked out like that. Plus the motive sucks and feels tacked on to justify the entire book

[Anonymous No.17484644]

>>17484543
Anon, I can only be blastingly good at one thing.

[Anonymous No.17484668]

The elevator opened to the 7th floor. Before them a white hallway walled to the right with windows. Magenta and mulberry danced with each other in the star filled sea outside. The windows made these halls quite a bit chillier than the rest of the station. Being cold blooded, the two really never seemed to notice much. How could anyone though, with the sight of heaven right there? It did not matter how many times any member of the group looked at it. Without a doubt, one of them would stop for just a second to exhale and appreciate the silky flow of the solar system. Gold streams ran between the interstellar clouds, illuminating their fluffy shapes. Moving, yet still. Liquid, yet gas. Timeless, yet always changing. A child can imagine what the ocean looks like while living in a landlocked country. Yet, that child never knows for sure the extent of what seeing the ocean in real life would be like. Perhaps, it was not even all that it was cracked out to be, so the child forgets to even ponder the existence of the ocean as they grow older. Really, it is not until that very child has grown into a young adolescent and are shipped off to war in some foreign country do they see the ocean for the first time. Ephemeral shock occurs before the ability to appreciate the scene. Tears as salty as the waves ahead roll down. Suddenly, the realization of how small and precious life is comes over our individual. The ocean is a smooth rock from the distance and a serrated edged knife in close proximity. Like the ocean, once one has experienced the beauty of it’s evergoing mystery, it’s wideness, that cannot be forgotten. It cannot be taken for granted in the same way again, for the ignorance of it’s grandness is gone forever.
“That nebula over there is shaped like a penis.”

[Anonymous No.17484754]

>>17483896
>>17483941
This is about where I am. Some of my stories are barely 500 words. I have a hard time going into detail about anything, and that was always a criticism teachers had whenever we did writing assignments back in school.

[Anonymous No.17484799]

>>17483896
But I've been told my writing is too clinical.

[Anonymous No.17484827]

>>17483896
but if I'm not even trying to write interesting prose how could I ever improve that aspect

[Anonymous No.17485082]

>>17483941
yes, YES
>>17484754
dont go into detail if it isnt important. take anything unimportant out. it sounds like you might not have enough important things, and not just enough things
>>17484799
there is a difference between your writing being clinical and you being clinical about your writing. the tiger poem expresses a lot of emotion for example, but it does so without including anything unimportant
>>17484827
it doesnt have to be interesting. it makes any writing better. if youre goal is anything but writing a lot, then itll make things better.

[Anonymous No.17485175]

One week ago I began uploading my WIP on RoyalRoad. It is far from over, and will need a lot of editing, but it is an easy way to get some feedback on the whole thing. I still have a lot of doubts about RR, as my work doesn't fit within the litRPG/light-novel formula that is successful on RR; but again, it is a simple way to get readers and reviews.
Almost a year ago, I posted different examples of my writing on different critique threads; and the replies I got made me think that perhaps I do have enough talent to be a successful writer, traditionally published even. Perhaps not this particular novel, but one of my future works perhaps.
So this is where I begin to doubt. The wider literary audience (or at least the subgroup that would read my writing) seems to overlap in many areas with the same people that don't have the best opinion of 4chan. However, I need feedback, and few people are as honest as you; people who could just as easily say my writing is shit instead of encouraging me to keep writing.
So what do you think? Should I keep using RR? Should I trust you with knowing my pen name and my writing?

[Anonymous No.17485188]

>>17483215
someone once told me they like my story enough to read it multiple times. that just kinda made me feel good inside you know.

[Anonymous No.17485375]

>>17485175
Don't trad publish with the same name you use to post things on RR anyways.

[Gaskun !!LKQ0Koj4uFz No.17485392]

I was able to get a free 20 minute consultation with Mark Leslie Lefebvre, who’s a big name in the ebook industry. When I told him about what I was working with and how I had an extensive body of work ready to go he emailed me a week later telling me to send along a query/synopsis/series summary as he said he knew of a smaller indie traditional publisher who he thought would be a good fit. I sent it last week. Hoping for a response.

[Anonymous No.17485451]

>in middle of writing something serious
>want to unironically write a LN
>primary motivations are angst, horniness, and releasing head-canons and self insertion plotlines from current anime obsession
I'm not even a chuunibyou bad writer or a coomer. why is this happening to me?

[Anonymous No.17485482]

>>17485392
>gets in by nepotism
amazing. you should literally kill yourself btw

[Anonymous No.17485595]

>>17485482
>his big name has 4503 followers on twitter
I wouldn't blow a gasket just yet. If they're an author coach whose job it is to make connections, they'd probably have more social media presence if they were capable of pulling any strings whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.17485598]

Speaking of blogposting, does anyone have any recommendations of literary blogs worth reading? The closest I have found is gwern.net, but its subject matter is more technology oriented than I'd prefer.

[Anonymous No.17485750]

>Finally start writing
>Realize I didn't come up with a single name
>Need to name my MC, the love interest, the antagonist, the company they're working for, the planet they're on, the civilization they're trying to colonize, and a million other things
Fuck. I guess that's what I get for writing genre fiction.

[Anonymous No.17485754]

So lets say I designed a world with a bunch of set pieces I want to use and have a set of characters but apart from a few key moments I want to happen, I have no plot.
How would I go about figuring out a story that works and weave things together in a coherent way?

[Anonymous No.17485760]

>>17485482
Making connections isn't nepotism, nepotism is when somebody lets their friend or family get a job they aren't qualified. This guy wasn't his friend or his family and they met without any pretenses of a relationship unconnected to their careers

[Anonymous No.17485763]

>>17485754
Link the plot to the set pieces.

[Anonymous No.17485773]

>>17485451
I want to unironically write an LN, but when I say that I just mean a normal book but with anime illustrations in it

[Anonymous No.17485777]

>>17485763
well yeah that's the goal but how?

[Anonymous No.17485778]

Is it too late to become a successful novelist at 30? I have no experience of ever writing beyond accounting / many spreadsheets, but It's something I've become really passionate about in the last 4 months.

[Anonymous No.17485786]

>>17485777
By adding character motivation that pushes towards those set pieces. By adding character you force them to make choices, which is where the story develops.

[Anonymous No.17485792]

>>17485773
Does LN even have a direct english equivalent? I was under the impression that the definition of an LN was that it had limited use of kanji, especially obscure kanji, so that younger readers could read it without needing a dictionary at hand. English simply does not have that problem since even if you're using complicated words, context clues can provide an adequate definition. Whereas with pictoral based languages like Japanese, you simply are unable to even read or pronounce an unfamiliar piece of kanji.

The fact that they tend to be young adult style shit is more of a side effect than anything else.

[Anonymous No.17485804]

>>17485792
I think the closest equivalent would just be a picture book.

[Anonymous No.17485812]

>>17485754
Think about what first interested you about writing in this world. Now think about why that interests you. Write a few sentences explaining it to yourself. That should give you a clue about your novel's theme. Now come up with a protagonist that fits with that theme - they need to learn or teach some lesson related to it. You should be able to go from there.

[Anonymous No.17485819]

>>17485792
Not really. LN itself doesn't even have a great definition. I think chuuni LNs can go pretty crazy on the kanji sometimes so I'm not even sure about that one. Also you can absolutely understand japanese words via context clues, and there's patterns for how a kanji is likely to be pronounced or what it's likely to mean depending on the radicals used even if it's not 100%. It's still definitely different from how English works but it's not as different as you'd think.

[Anonymous No.17485876]

Please don't try to write a LN. Just write a YA novel and put shit like mecha in it while sticking to industry expectations. The absolute highest you can aim for with an "American LN" is a hundred followers on Retard Road. If you actually looked into modern fantasy and didn't just watch anime, you'd find there's plenty of weeb tier shit already like with Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.17485896]

>>17485876
What's the deal with Royal Road?

[Anonymous No.17485905]

Any advice on becoming more subtle with the use of symbolism and metaphors?

[Anonymous No.17485928]

>>17485905
yeah at the part when your character dies and then comes back to life, don't mention that it took place over three days.

[Anonymous No.17486006]

>>17485876
What if I want to write porn?

[Anonymous No.17486075]

>>17485792
YA genre fiction has essentially all the same connotations and tropes.

[Anonymous No.17486078]

>>17483987
>invents the new timecube
>is worried that people will degrade and cheapen his idea
feels like the last glimmer of sanity from a mind that is about to be lost

[Anonymous No.17486112]

I am about to begin my read-through of my first draft.

[Anonymous No.17486115]

>>17485750
>MC, the love interest, the antagonist, the company they're working for, the planet they're on, the civilization they're trying to colonize
Sounds extremely generic.
Tell me why I should read your finished work.

[Anonymous No.17486145]

>>17486115
It's porn and the love interest is, if you'll pardon the tv tropes speak, a starfish alien. I'm not trying to write the next 2001 here. I just want to get xenophiles off.

[Anonymous No.17486154]

>>17485778
30 is young, I'm a decade older but also I'm not successful, heaps of cunts only publish for the first time when they're at retirement age

[Anonymous No.17486156]

>>17486145
>a starfish alien.
What?

[Anonymous No.17486174]

>>17486145
im so fucking hard right now

[Anonymous No.17486180]

>>17486156
It's just a term for a non-humanoid alien.

[Anonymous No.17486209]

>>17486075
the difference is YA genre fiction is overwhelmingly geared towards women, while LN market is mainly teenage boys

[Anonymous No.17486210]

>>17485750
https://www.fantasynamegenerators.com/

[Anonymous No.17486219]

I have finally plotted out a 3 act structure.
Now I can start writing the actual plot.

[Anonymous No.17486227]

>>17486174
I will not accept any reviews that do not show a picture of either your hard/flaccid penis, or the paper towel you used to clean up.

[Anonymous No.17486253]

Does anyone else hate reading their own stories? I get the same feeling as when I listen to my own voice on a recording.

[Anonymous No.17486282]

>>17486253
Yes.
So far I basically haven't aside from checking things I've recently written (basically just the last session). I probably won't give it a serious read until I've finished it.

[Anonymous No.17486289]

Why do we create when we can't enjoy the creations we produce?

[Anonymous No.17486301]

>>17486289
Because we want others to enjoy it yet we are too self conscious/critical of ourselves.

[Anonymous No.17486305]

>>17486289
So that others can.
The main reason I write is because I want the people that read my stories to be able to have the same rushes of emotion, wild trains of thought on what could come next, and need to keep reading to have their curiosity quenched that I did when I read my favorite stories.

[Anonymous No.17486322]

>>17486253
>>17486289
I used to experience this when I was just starting to write seriously but I got over it. Couldn't read a sentence without shutting the document.

Have you guys started writing within the past year or two?

[Anonymous No.17486333]

>>17486322
First guy here, about a year for me. I still make myself proofread because I don't want to upload something full of errors, but I have to resist the urge to skip through it as fast as I can.

[Anonymous No.17486339]

>>17486322
It might not make you cringe anymore, but do you actual enjoy your own work as a consumable experience?

[Anonymous No.17486363]

>>17486339
Yes. I even ordered a copy of my book from Barnes and Noble's printing service to put on my shelf.

I think it's because I've grown more confident. Multiple professors and beta readers have reinforced my self esteem over the past couple of years. I also managed to get a job in the field of English despite not even having an A.A. degree yet. I feel good about my writing.

[Anonymous No.17486395]

>>17482514
chances are she hasn't read it. anons on /lit/ always complain about being drained after work to read. this could be the case, she probably will never read it, was probably being nice to you. especially if the draft is book length.

[Anonymous No.17486460]

Is it wrong to gas a depressed friend's writing / writing talent up when you know he's actually bad? My intent is to push him to write (because he always talks about being a novelist) since he's never actually finished anything.

[Anonymous No.17486483]

>>17486460
Don't lie and pretend like he's the greatest ever, but don't tell him he's shit either, depressed people don't get motivated by that generally. Encouraging him to write at all would be the best, and then giving constructive advice on anything he does show you if he ever actually writes.

[Anonymous No.17486490]

>>17486483
Yeah, he's a self-destructive type, and always thanks me for believing in him, so I know he would react terribly if I would say something negative, but.. I do worry about gassing up his work too much, I say I think he could get published if he finishes a novel, that kind of stuff, because I just want him to write (what he talks about so often, but almost never does)

[Anonymous No.17486496]

>>17486460
imo yeah, that's a bad friend move, you're going to lead him to believe he's good when he's not. Instead of telling him he's good, just encourage to keep practicing, encourage him to finish a story. He's not going to be your friend anymore if he ever find outs the truth, especially if he's depressed. If you're his real friend you'll be honest with him.

[Anonymous No.17486562]

>>17486460
You know how you become a better writer? You read more. Start some book club shit with him where you read books with good prose and story structure and discuss that with him. With shitters you can't just point to all the things bad in their work because if their natural inclination when writing was to not do those things, they wouldn't be on the page. You gotta take them from the ground up if you actually want to help them.

[Anonymous No.17486637]

>>17486490
Rather than motivating him by saying he's intrinsically talented, you should focus on the fact that you can't learn or do anything unless you start, and that it might be a positive outlet for him for form as a habit

[Anonymous No.17486827]

the magazine isnt responding! they already accepted my stuff but they arent following up on my questions. did they up and steal my shit? i just want an aswer

[Anonymous No.17486882]

>>17486827
what magazine is it? and did you have to agree / sign on to anything when they accepted it? what are the terms?

[Anonymous No.17486945]

I’m afraid people won’t want to read my story because the main characters aren’t white

[Anonymous No.17486967]

>>17486827
lol, what kind of a magazine steals an anons work!

[Anonymous No.17487181]

>>17482514
I had a friend of a friend who wrote a real, published book, so I bought it on Amazon. I'm at the 15% mark and I have little desire to find out what happens. The plot is slow and the characters are retarded. But I can't say that to him or to the original , so I say nothing

[Anonymous No.17487185]

>>17487181
What's it called? I love reading "bad" books that have been published.

[Anonymous No.17487198]

fuck, I'm being overwhelmed by how cliche and painfully telegraphed my plot twists are. I'm cringing at myself too hard to write

[Anonymous No.17487240]

>>17487198
What are the plot twists?

[Anonymous No.17487293]

>>17487240
all the stupidest ones at once

>early in the story, the MC visits his adopted mother's memorial, a willow tree with a plaque that says her name, Constance
>MC gets isekai'd on the way home and winds up with a bunch of other kids who are trapped in a magical world that's strangely similar to the real one
>later, he learns an old rumor about a portal way home whose boundary is marked with a willow
>the old leader of the group, a girl named Connie led an expedtion there but never returned
>one of the survivors of the expedition mentions the willow showed them her grave and images of the world ending
>eventually the MC goes on the exact same quest
>they learn from another survivor of the expedition that Connie sent the two of them home but went back to save a baby
>eventually they get to the willow and find Connie frozen in time near it, but as they approach time resumes
>they see images of the world ending
>MC finally gets to the tree and sees Connie
>Connie is Constance, his mom
>the baby she went back to rescue is him
>the tree's her memorial
>the magic world was a post-apocalyptic earth all along
>cue retarded mental breakdown


I'm a retard for thinking any of this was a good idea. I feel like offing myself

[Anonymous No.17487301]

>>17487293
I mean, that sounds like something that would get published if it was well-written. Maybe alter the plot here and there where it's the most expected, but don't throw it out just because you're insecure.

[Anonymous No.17487306]

>>17487185
It's not that bad, I've read a lot worse, but my friend was pumping up the book so much and the author was so proud that she completed a trilogy. The novel begins with the main character's grandpa dying. The main character's cousin is so distraught that he runs away. But grandpa didn't die from a magical reason. They're making cocoa with chocolate powder, but cousin? accidentally sprays insecticide on the powder. Everyone says to throw out the chocolate powder, but Grandpa is cheap, wants to make cousin feel better, says it's fine and eats it. Next day, he's dead from insecticide poisoning.

For some reason, I think I missed this while skimming, they think a ghostess kidnapped little cousin and maybe Grandpa is a ghost now too. However, due to immigration laws and tourist visas, mc's family moved back to the United States and couldn't search for him. It is up to the mc to sneak back to Mexico to search for lost cousin.

They don't talk to the ghostess until the ~20% mark at chapter 10. If you get the book, you should start there.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B076K9QJ5R/

[Anonymous No.17487351]

>>17487293
It sounds like it could be fine if well executed. But the willow tree and the Connie-Constance thing sound pretty easy to guess, so think about how to misdirect the reader to keep it from being too obvious without just hiding information.

[Anonymous No.17487368]

Please critique?

Today we honor our three captains
For their actions and impact in
A time of uncertainty and need.
They've taken the lead,
Exceeding all expectations and limitations,
Uplifting their communities and neighbors
As leaders, healers and educators.
James has felt the wounds of warfare,
But this warrior still shares
His home with at-risk kids.
During Covid, he's even lent a hand
Live-streaming football for family and fans.
Trimaine is an educator who works nonstop,
Providing his community with hotspots,
Laptops and tech workshops,
So his students have all the tools
They need to succeed in life and in school.
Suzie is the ICU nurse manager at a Tampa hospital.
Her chronicles prove that even in tragedy, hope is possible.
She lost her grandmothers to the pandemic,
And fights to save other lives in the ICU battle zone,
Defining the front line heroes risking their lives for our own.
Let us walk with these warriors,
Charge on with these champions,
And carry forth the call of our captains!
We celebrate them by acting
With courage and compassion,
By doing what is right and just.
For while we honor them today,
It is they who every day honor us.

[Anonymous No.17487371]

>>17479268
what if I use tech to emphasize my theme?
theme being "fuck humanity lol"

[Anonymous No.17487373]

>>17480701
are you the copyeditor anon I saw a couple threads ago? because damn I want to get into that shit but no one wants to pay full time

[Anonymous No.17487378]

>>17480978
new idea syndrome I call it
new shit is more exciting than planned shit just by principle. were all pantsers on the inside

[Anonymous No.17487404]

Who copyedits/copywrites? Any advice on how to get there? I know there are at least two of you.

[Anonymous No.17487450]

>>17486882
you know the one. i didnt sign anything. its anonymous too. i just wanted these stories published but not the unedited versions. i hope they get back to me and publish the edited ones.

[Anonymous No.17487457]

>>17487450
Lit quarterly?

[Anonymous No.17487492]

>>17487457
>Lit quarterly
is it a big deal to get your story on here? or does the magazine get a lot of traffic?

[Anonymous No.17487505]

>>17487492
It's a meme magazine from here, but from what I've heard, it's fairly become competitive to get in

[Anonymous No.17487528]

>>17483721
Well, he didn't release a chapter per week, but three chapters on week 1 and the fourth a month later. Having a regular, reliable release schedule is a pretty big deal when writing web serials, whether that's once a week, once every three days, or so on. Readers don't like to pick up stories where you can't tell when the next chapter will be posted, if ever. Most of the authors of such fictions just go MIA before long and you'll regret the time wasted

[Anonymous No.17487547]

>>17487378
The gist is, none of my new ideas before felt exciting in the morning after, or carried longer than 200 words. Something just randomly clicked here.

[Anonymous No.17487586]

>>17487547
I always vet new ideas by letting the initial excitement pass and then seeing if it comes back again later, so I don't commit to something I'm going to get bored of fast. It's probably just a good idea.

[Anonymous No.17487672]

>>17487457
no the lesser one

[Anonymous No.17487681]

How do you brainstorm? I daydream about coming up with ideas but never manage to actually do it.

[Anonymous No.17487746]

>>17487672
The guy who made Hypersphere?
Moby Dick annotated by a hundred anons?

[Anonymous No.17487861]

>>17487746
no its the even lesser one. r u doing this intentionally? its anonymous and it had threads recently but now its complete ghost. maybe a dream? a dream maybe

[Anonymous No.17487927]

>>17487586
I try to write anything that comes to mind. It's okay if it doesn't work out and is never finished, what matters is that you get words on the page. Even a tiny bit of experience is better than sitting still, doing nothing.

[Anonymous No.17487988]

>>17479268
This.
>>17487371
Then you're probably a fucking retard.
>>17487681
For things to put into a story or for new ideas for a story?

[Anonymous No.17488002]

>>17487988
For things to put in the story. I'm fine when it comes to coming up with an idea and major themes or plot points, but figuring out what should actually happen, and when, and how to tie things together is another matter

[Anonymous No.17488037]

>>17488002
I have no clue, sorry.
I just write what feels right. Sometimes I stop to ask myself what something I've written says about some part of the story, typically that part ends up being a character. I try to keep that in mind for later whenever it becomes relevant. I also sometimes just think about what would be interesting to do.
I struggle most with the details in between the point by point outline of what happens.

[Anonymous No.17488516]

>>17487988
>For things to put into a story or for new ideas for a story?
not him, but new ideas for stories please
and yes i am aware that if you can't come up with a plot in thirty seconds then you are not a storyteller and ngmi

[Anonymous No.17488529]

>>17485760
Nepotism is specifically for family, if you want to split hairs on semantics. Giving an unqualified position to a friend would be cronyism. I'm agreed on the non-malignancy of making connections, though - charisma may not help you write better, but it certainly makes the querying process smoother.

[Anonymous No.17488760]

>>17485392
nice one dude, what have you been working on these days? haven't seen you around here for ages

[Anonymous No.17488823]

>>17486219
Congrats. I'm working on my outline, wish I was writing.

[Anonymous No.17488904]

>the virgin author who cringes at his own creation
>the chad musician who can record and listen to his sick jams

[Anonymous No.17489438]

>>17486219
>3
ngmi

>>17487293
It's fine

[Anonymous No.17489550]

The book im currently writting would be way better suited as a film or a TV series

How do i cope with this fact?

[Anonymous No.17489691]

>>17489550
Get it trad published and hope for a TV deal?

[Anonymous No.17489723]

>>17489550
smack your face into a needle cause clearly you need your ego popped. just write a series of books dude. start small. get bigger. you're a nobody right now dude. The dream is a tv series but you don't have the connections, budget, or talent to do that man. just write man. eyes on the prey not the horizon.

[Anonymous No.17489729]

>>17489550
The book I'm writing started as a script, but I've since turned it into a book. The dialogue is fire, but the rest needs some massaging.

[Anonymous No.17490038]

>one (1) hour
>210 words

[Anonymous No.17490160]

>>17489723
Not him, but I have similar feelings. It's more that I visualize it in my head with camera angles and music and stuff, and it's hard to capture all of those sorts of things with just text.

[Anonymous No.17490404]

>>17489723
Some things are more suited to a visual medium, I don't think it's necessarily all about the ego boost of more visibility. It's just reality that TV, Movies, animation etc are all very expensive mediums that involve a lot of people to make anything decent happen, while you can write a book by yourself. But the lives of most people are filled with TV and movies, or have been at some point at least, so it's natural your mind will imagine things that mimic what you have consumed despite the fact that you have no power to create them.

[Anonymous No.17490615]

>>17482901
Do people on here with serious amounts of views and readers actually convert that into money or is it enough to do it for the "love" of writing?

[Anonymous No.17490692]

>try to write in present tense
>every few pages realize I've slipped back to past tense
god damn it, why is it so hard?

[Anonymous No.17490748]

https://www.reddit.com/r/menwritingwomen/
Make sure to never describe a sexy woman!

[Anonymous No.17490763]

>>17490748
I get making fun of nonsensical descriptions of women's anatomy, but the rest of this shit is just women being women and crying that men think sexual thoughts about them.

[Anonymous No.17490790]

>>17490748
This is a place where they'll whine about Holden saying something lecherous. I went back into my manuscript and put like three more sentences in that only talk about boobs because of them.

[Anonymous No.17490843]

>>17490692
>Try to write in past tense.
>Keep slipping into present.
I feel your pain man.
>>17486112
Good luck anon.
>>17482226
>I hope I can crank out a good draft by the end of March.
Good luck anon, you got this!

[Anonymous No.17491137]

>>17490763
Worse - it's men who have been convinced that they are obliged to cry when they see things like that.

[Anonymous No.17491167]

Crit?
40 pages, but finished.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lef51jBNK3sRIR6IwqdVLnaTIEdZjFhynuLsaPBUeEk/edit
I can uhh, give you wallpapers that are nice in exchange.

[Anonymous No.17491183]

>>17491167
Looks like someone coom'd on the rocks and then took a look at it in UV light. Oh, you mean, not crit for the pic?

[Anonymous No.17491188]

>>17491167
Can you give a synopsis so I know if I want to spend braincells on this or not?

[Anonymous No.17491280]

>>17491167
Man, you post this shit several times a thread. If anybody wanted to read it, they would have. I think the problem is you're just like "read this longass shit I wrote" with nothing to sell it, and then you start with some abstract visual bullshit we don't have any reason to care about. Either start with the story (ideally) or at least promise some sort of story

[Anonymous No.17491368]

Is writing the only common creative hobby where the actual act of creating something is usually considered to be hard work and unfun

Drawing things is fun
Practicing a new song is fun

[Anonymous No.17491389]

>>17491368
>Drawing things is fun
You have either never drawn or are a talentchad

[Anonymous No.17491396]

>>17491368
>Drawing things is fun
Says you. I've tried a few times to get into drawing but I just end up frustrated. Simple stick-figure doodles are fine, but trying to produce any kind of quality is a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.17491406]

>>17491368
Learning how to draw is hard as fuck and you make lots of ugly shit before you get remotely good. Practicing a new song takes a lot of work and repetition to get right. Doodling like a 5 year old and playing three blind mice on your recorder are fun.

[Anonymous No.17491410]

>>17491368
I have a lot of fun writing. I mean, there are definitely sections where I slog through but overall its a lot of fun.
>drawing
>practicing a new song
both of those can also be very frustrating

[Anonymous No.17491413]

>>17491167
the other guy was right i would be more inclined to read if you posted a pepe or wojak instead of some random bullshit

[Anonymous No.17491420]

>>17491280
>several times a thread
you must be seeing double dude, I post it max one time every couple threads and even then I knew that I'd get called out
back into the bunker
>>17491188
everyone is an asshole except me, robot edition
>>17491183
what do you think of this picture

[Anonymous No.17491422]

>>17491368
Practicing a song is fun, sure, but get back to me after you've tried recording an album.

[Anonymous No.17491425]

>>17491368
you've never got gud enough at drawing where you knew your next one would take you 8 hours+ only to have users look at it for four seconds on social media then scroll away

[Anonymous No.17491443]

>>17491368
>is usually considered to be hard work and unfun
That's weird. If someone doesn't think it's fun, why do it? It's definitely not very hard work by any means

[Anonymous No.17491463]

>>17484317
>And now he gets an ending like the LOTR, with Frodo/Hunter writing the book that you've been reading
Those book "sales" will be horrible because nobody will want to read about Hunter Biden and that family. Later we'll probably learn that the book deal was mainly another way of funneling money to him and the mandatory "10% for the big guy."

[Anonymous No.17491469]

>>17491443
For me, creative endeavors are mainly just a means to an end. I have ideas in my head that I want to share, and since I can't just copy them from my head and paste them into my computer, I guess I either have to write or draw. And I'm fucking terrible at drawing, so writing it is.

[Anonymous No.17491646]

>>17491422
How should I start?

[Anonymous No.17491650]

I have to write a 10 minute play in 3 hours, what do I do

[Anonymous No.17491661]

>>17491650
Spend these three hours writing a 10 minute play

[Anonymous No.17491663]

>>17491650

[Anonymous No.17491676]

>>17491646
exactly

[Anonymous No.17491681]

>>17491650
Kirito and his harem have a beach episode

[Anonymous No.17491720]

>>17491681
this will be preformed by actors on zoom lol

[Anonymous No.17491730]

>>17491720
cast yourself as the lead and have several erotic scenes with all of your female costars

[Anonymous No.17491749]

and then there's a big climax where Kirito has to defend Asuna from a jealous harem member using the secret power hidden in his left hand

[Anonymous No.17491755]

>>17491730
I'm thinking about something in the vein of this aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.17491773]

Is there a better alternative to scrivener on windows? The windows version looks like a spreadsheet editor from the 90s

[Anonymous No.17491798]

>>17483149
What did she do wrong again?

[Anonymous No.17491820]

>>17491773
Use the windows scriv 3.0 beta.

[Anonymous No.17491821]

>>17491773
sounds like you got filtered son. You could try campfire or whatever the hell it's called. Just google free scrivener or something there are quite a few like SEW I think.

[Anonymous No.17491833]

>>17491773
>>17491821
>>17491820
tfw only open office chad in /wg/

[Anonymous No.17491843]

>>17491773
Just use word

[Anonymous No.17491868]

>>17491820
Oh shit that actually looks like it was designed in the last 10 years

thanks anon

[Anonymous No.17491877]

A bit different, but since you lot are the writing experts, I was wondering if any of you might be able to give me feedback on my personal statement?

>>17491858

[Anonymous No.17492037]

>>17491833
>open office
Is that any good?

[Anonymous No.17492043]

>>17492037
no but its comfy and leaves you alone, and thats enough

[Anonymous No.17492061]

>>17492043
To each their own, I suppose.

[Anonymous No.17492075]

>>17491877
Don't worry about it chaps, someone said I shouldn't post it online. I didn't think there was any reason not to but better safe than sorry

[Anonymous No.17492103]

>>17492075
i already archived and saved it you can not escape from what comes next

[Anonymous No.17492192]

>>17492075
Should have just posted on Pastebin with only those with links could see it with a date expiration.

[Anonymous No.17492196]

>>17478772
Es ist ein Jude!

[Anonymous No.17492361]

>>17491877
Sorry, anon, but it's deleted.

[Anonymous No.17492422]

>>17492037
more than adequate

[Anonymous No.17492464]

>>17492422
I can only find Apache OpenOffice, is that the same thing?

[Anonymous No.17492494]

>>17491877
Thread was deleted, anon. Couldn’t read it.

[Anonymous No.17492509]

>>17492464
they both crash at the same rate so sure

[Anonymous No.17492533]

>>17492509
Anon, please, I need a concrete answer.

[Anonymous No.17492611]

>>17492464
that's it
>>17492509
text documents and excel speadsheets dont crash at all. the powerpoint one though gets really angry if you start including hires pictures

[Anonymous No.17492681]

>>17492611
>that's it
My computer says that's its harmful if I download it.

[Anonymous No.17492710]

>>17492681
>uncritically believing the microsoft jews
w/e anon pay bill gates $50 plus tip for it instead

[Anonymous No.17492717]

>>17492681
>My computer says that's its harmful if I download it.

Tell Bill Gates to go fuck himself.

Try Libre Office instead.
https://www.libreoffice.org/

[Anonymous No.17492718]

>>17492710
I just want to know if it's true or not, anon. I just want reassurance.

[Anonymous No.17492731]

>>17492718
Just run it through antivirus software if you're that worried

[Anonymous No.17492759]

>>17492717
>Try Libre Office instead
Kek, not that anon, but it’s says it’s harmful as well. The fuck is bill gates doing?

[Anonymous No.17492785]

Been studying to get accepted to grad school for linguistics (through undergrad phonetics, phonology, and syntax into morphology), I also got some poetic style encyclopedias and poetics textbooks as additional courses.

Will these enrich my approach to poetry? I want to start leraning how to write in classical forms to discipline my approach away from prosy blank verse. Any works in poetics, other than the bread and Aristotle?

[Anonymous No.17492794]

>>17492759
Beats me. I got tired of all of the spyware and other bullshit with Windows and switched to Linux Mint years ago.

[Anonymous No.17492804]

>>17492494
>>17492361
Here you go anons, and anyone else who wants to give feedback. It might read a little cold, but the course I'm applying for specifically said they want to see the development of my academic interests and the independent exploration I've done around the topic. Appreciate anything you have to say.

[Anonymous No.17492824]

>>17492804

[Anonymous No.17492888]

>>17488823
Thanks. I live in my outlines, but I've never made it this far into the process before. Exciting but scary.
>>17489438
I don't need an extra planar derivative of a dodecahedron act structure, I'm not making high art here.

[Anonymous No.17492922]

>>17492804
Sounds like a load of bullshit.
>the course I'm applying for specifically said they want to see the development of my academic interests and the independent exploration I've done around the topic
Ah, that's why.
I'd get rid of ",to me," and ",in turn" in the first sentence. They add nothing. May as well replace them with ums and ahs as verbal ticks.
Otherwise, as far as what they want to see, its fine.

[Anonymous No.17492926]

>>17492888
5 act structure is superior but you shouldn't be thinking of acts at all

[Anonymous No.17492942]

>>17492926
enlighten me on 5 acts

[Anonymous No.17492946]

>>17492922
Thanks anon. My usual writing style is a lot more personal and discursive, hence those bits in the beginning. They actually advised to avoid personal anecdotes and the like. I could just as easily write about how literature saved my life, how it continues to be a support in my darkest moments, and how it forms a huge part of my belief and value system. But instead they want to see
- academic areas of interest arising from undergrad
- independent study conducted in area of interest
- awareness of critical discussion at a high level
- time management skills and the like
Which doesn't leave a lot of room for the meaningful stuff. Ah well.

[Anonymous No.17492965]

Anyone else suffer from ADHD? How do you stay focused on writing and reading without medication? It's such a monumental task for me.

[Anonymous No.17492990]

>plot relies on protag with memory loss

bros I'm not gonna make it
move on without me

[Anonymous No.17493020]

>>17492990
Nothing wrong with the story's plot with dependent on the protag with memory loss

[Anonymous No.17493037]

>>17492990

> Flowers for Algernon

Now that was sad.

[Anonymous No.17493043]

>>17492965
I have ass burgers and I usually get stuff done with coffee/monster

[Anonymous No.17493066]

>>17492990
Still Alice is a famous book about Alzheimer's

[Anonymous No.17493156]

>>17493066
It's just not the same, anon.

[Anonymous No.17493179]

>>17487351
I think I know how to fix the willow thing but I'm not sure how to handle the name giving everything away

[Anonymous No.17493215]

>>17485482

oh you sweet summer child

[Anonymous No.17493226]

>>17492942

this

[Anonymous No.17493237]

>>17493215
You shouldn't encourage nepotism

[Anonymous No.17493264]

>>17492804
Funny, I was just helping my brother in law with his master's application. I would remove the "in turn" from the first sentence. I would also phrase the second sentence like,
>Literature's continual, organic evolution and the desire to trace the course...
In the second paragraph, make "--from religious turmoil and..." its own sentence. That whole sentence runs a little long so I would try and break it up.
You should also include the full name of authors like "Shapiro."
>...the Greek dramatists, and Roman...
I would change that to,
>...the Greek dramatsits, along with Roman...
I would make the part shortly after where you discuss Paradise Lost its own paragraph.
I'm not sure if you're American, but generally the rule when naming larger books like Paradise Lost is to italicize them.
Didn't get to read the whole thing, but hope this helps anon.

[Anonymous No.17493272]

I've been getting a lot of good feedback in other threads on a short story I'm working on. If anyone has any comments on this passage, I'd appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.17493296]

>>17492464
Libre office is the successor to open office, its good. Scrolling is bad which is a little annoying but its a tiny use case

[Anonymous No.17493335]

>>17493272
>Only a few feet in front of him,
Stuff like this, frontloading sentences with something you're going to put a comma after and start the real sentence, is something you do a lot as a rookie and grow out of. It never reads terribly, just a bit slow and clunky. Stuff like, "Carefully picking up the x, he ....". Prefer more direct statements. The active rather than the passive voice is a meme but it's a meme for a reason.
First sentence is unclear, feels like its missing words.
Shouldn't interrupt the pattern of >The first... >The next... >The third bullet sentences one after the other with >One of the molars - work that into the sentence before.
Splinters not splitters
>dove his hand - overwritten - >acting as its own entity - clumsy
And settle on Burns' or Burns's

[Gaskun !!LKQ0Koj4uFz No.17493370]

>>17488760
Trying to write a cyberpunk novel that isn’t anything like blade runner, ghost in the Shell or cyberpunk 2077. I think I’m onto something. How’s about you?

[Anonymous No.17493381]

>>17493370
>Trying to write a cyberpunk novel that isn’t anything like blade runner, ghost in the Shell or cyberpunk 2077. I think I’m onto something.
How far have you gone into it and what's it about? And are you planning on going traditional publishing or Alternative publishing?

[Anonymous No.17493400]

Have you ever written basically fanfiction of your daily life? I'm trying to now and it's a struggle trying to imagine and write the kind of things other people in my life might say.

[Anonymous No.17493404]

>>17493400
Just go with the slice-of-life approach. It's how most YA starts with.

[Anonymous No.17493429]

>>17493404
No.

[Anonymous No.17493440]

>>17493400
>Have you ever written basically fanfiction of your daily life?
For what purpose? I just can't see it happening.

[Anonymous No.17493455]

>>17493400
Lately I've been thinking about writing my 'mental fantasies' (the shit I imagine that is unrelated to what I write). I could definitely plan it as a slice of life type of thing that could be popular, similar to doujins but prose. Could make it erotic even, that shit sells a lot.
I'm still not so sure about it, but it is something I keep in mind.

[Anonymous No.17493504]

New thread for those who wish to post.

>>17493501

[Anonymous No.17493507]

edge dump

He cant be somewhere else if im not in one place to begin with. His mind is hooked on multiple barbs, some shiny others dull all of them cannot be removed unless they are first pushed throug the flesh and then cut.
The older ones where simple from childhood. The ones lead to the others. Clumping thorns that pulled the bush he cannot find which wound to bandage. When the blood finally became too valuable to loose or maybe because his creditors has come to collect on it he slowly scrambled.
“This one!” He would think clutching the snagging hold and twisting it. “This one, is where I will let it drip.” And some would come of it. A great piece or too with the ink yet no too cuts are the same and time would change the mind.
Writhing back the openings would soon become more painfull then at first inspected. They where drying up and the water from the sky had spilt some confusion. Now here was an old opening no longer reinforced by past healing it would be slashed, the pain of its defeat was no longer stinging.
So again his debts where paid and the mind rested easy as one cupped it. Running sliding red all the same before too long came back the throb.
Repetition is agonizing at first the idea that not only will the burden carry but the burden will not lift or sink. Ones legs will never have relief and one wont ever even wince smiling at having felt a greater weight. Too the mule it sighs a death as cycle becomes line and pain becomes mute. From wound to wound barb to barb now the cuts have no definition and gouging one place is almost the same as sewing another.
One solace I can take is the discussion of cuts and barbs and sewing for in-between hooks their is a nothing which we want forever. But he can only hold and everything is sharp so unless he fall forever he must grip the branches

[Anonymous No.17493539]

>>17478825
just discworld it, accept its nonsensical shlock but be somewhat consistent about it.

[Anonymous No.17493598]

>>17493335
Thanks anon. It’s a cheap way I’ve been trying to vary my sentences but I think I need to grow out of it.

[Gaskun !!LKQ0Koj4uFz No.17493602]

>>17493381
Mid 20’s protag works for a steadily failing branch of a company that leases artificial bodies (mostly to the terminally ill or veterans) broke and living in a compartment of a vaporwave themed building, his only friend is the “Schwarzenegger in his prime” sized body building cyborg “Bubblegum dynamite” who’s only working security for the company because she’s on suspension for possible use illegal parts during her weight lifting exhibitions. When a passing sky craft drops an engine through the roof, the robot who works on the upper floors cleaning the bodies and upgrading the servers, (who also begs the MC to see the outside world, it uses the autonomous building repair machines sent by corporate to start building extra square footage that reveals a psychedelic PKD-esque/13th floor “back rooms” zone that will become the only refuge after unknowingly stepping into the sights of undead yakuza cyborgs that mistake him for a target. I know that’s a lot, but it makes sense when it’s not crammed into a run on sentence filled mega paragraph.

[Anonymous No.17493729]

>>17493264
Thanks, anon. Appreciate it.

[Welcome No.17494246]

>>17493729