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So this is what /lit/ considers the endgame of literature? I've read tougher books with my ass.

>> No.17340522

/lit/core should be avoided , it’s a pseud trap

>> No.17340525

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dont mind me just passin through

>> No.17340551

No, these are the prerequisites to posting on this board

>> No.17340568 [DELETED] 

>>17340533
Damn, I didn't realize Eilish was so smoking

>> No.17340574

>>17340508
How obscene are each of these out of 10? I don't want to corrupt my delicate mind. :(

>> No.17340577

It doesn't get better. Probable more fun or easier but not better.

>> No.17340592

>>17340533
would

>> No.17340597

>>17340568
Pierce?

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>>17340508
I have long advocated an evolution to our suggested meme trilogy.

>> No.17340661

>>17340508
basic burger/anglo shit.

>> No.17340682

>>17340659
NOW this is a pseud trap. I highly doubt you've read FW. Bolano and JR in the same trilogy? A fucking translation of a Spanish work? Really?

The meme trilogy is the best concoction this board has come up with; it perfectly encapsulates the feeling of being alive in the 20th century, all chalked full of cultural references that one can scour to get a good read on the times of the respective books.
I find that anyone who disagrees, or calls it a "pseud trap" is a complete mouthbreather, or they really haven't read any of the books in the trilogy... and really, who would go on the internet and lie about what books they've read? lmfao, you fucking undergrads make me laugh.

>> No.17340694

>>17340508
I want to fuck your ass.

>> No.17340699

>>17340508
You haven't read shit, OP. Stop lying to sound smart again, you loser.

>> No.17340702

>>17340508
Probably actual endgame books in terms of depth and aesthetics, idk:
Hamlet
In Search of Lost Time
Moby Dick
Brothers Karamazov
The Iliad

>> No.17340720

>>17340702
What a fucking jumbled mix of Barnes and Noble recommendations.
Do you think you're clever for knowing the names of books that anyone who even has a passing interest in literature knows?

>> No.17340726

>>17340508
which books

>> No.17340729

>>17340659
I think the actual meme trilogy in terms of aesthetics and paranoid writing should be Mason and Dixon, The Recognitions and Ulysses.

>> No.17340730

>>17340702
Retard

>> No.17340760

>>17340702
It's like you took the top 10 of every "/lit/ top 100" from the past 6 years and removed the meme trilogy, Lolita and the Bible.

>> No.17340824

>>17340682
I have read TSD in its original Spanish and English many years before that. I appreciate the mini-essay you've written assuming my knowledge and background, you must be the smartest person you know. I honestly think you're reading too far into the idea of "the meme trilogy", it's just books that have always been popular here and an alarming number of people pretend to have books they have not despite being anonymous it seems.
>>17340729
Nobody does schizo writing like Pynchon although I think M&D might actually be more accessible than GR.

>> No.17340832

>>17340659
>- Savage Detectives
>+ The Book of Disquiet
And you might be onto something

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>>17340824
>meme trilogy explanation is literally three sentences
>essay

>> No.17340878

>>17340729
The books need to be famous to be a meme in the first place. M&D is far from Pynchon's most famous work and nobody reads The Recognitions.

>> No.17340937

>>17340838
>not getting memes so much that feel you need to explain them

>> No.17340946

>>17340937
So, memes have a uniform meaning to them across every single human being's perception?
What are you talking about, man?
You're just replying for the sake of replying.

>> No.17340952

>>17340659
I think the actual most discussed books on here now are Moby Dick, Lolita, and something from Tolstoyevsky.

you can't replace the meme trilogy though, it is the perfect 20th century experimental tome anglo selection

>> No.17341007

Where does The man without qualities fit into all of this?

>> No.17341052

>>17340952
Blood Meridian should be there.
Moby Dick
Blood Meridian
Brothers K.

>> No.17341061

>>17341052
Neither Moby Dick nor Brothers Karamazov are twentieth century novels. The latter isn’t even anglo, so why you would consider it to be emblematic of experimental twentieth century anglo literature is beyond me.

>> No.17341098

>>17340659
Superb bait, mate.

>> No.17341109

>>17341061
That dude was talking about the most discussed books on the board. I don't know where this "experimetal anglo 20th cent" lit is coming from...

>> No.17341120

>>17340592
seconded but unironically

>> No.17341190

>>17340508

I'd say Ulysses and Infinite Jest are probably the two hardest books to I've read. To the Lighthouse and Sound and the Fury were also really hard but a lot shorter so they were doable. 2666 was also a chore to get through.

Endgame books? Finnegans Wake... fuck that, good luck, a piece of abstract art as literature, will never read. Tale of Genji and Bleak House are two others I've tried several times and abandoned after getting a little lost about the plot.

>> No.17341226

>>17340574
in ij there's a scrne where a faggot rapes an other faggot prostitute and deliberately gives him aids...
so pretty tame i guess

>> No.17341259

>>17341190
Unsubscribed

>> No.17341821

>>17340659
JR is a masterpiece. Don't meme it with brainlets here.

>> No.17341825

>>17340508
Ha-HA

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>>17340508

>> No.17342226

>>17340508
the quality of bait on this board has really taken a nose dive in the past couple years. We used to have some truly great bait threads. Of all of /lit/'s issues these days, these repetitive zero effort bait threads depress me the most.

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>>17340508
>So this is what /lit/ considers the endgame of literature?
no?

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>>17340533
THE ARCHITECT IS PLEASED

>> No.17342597

>>17342584
yes actually

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>>17342597
r/4chan isn't 4channel, fren

>> No.17342615

>>17342597
t.underread zoomer

>> No.17342623

>>17342610
>>17342615
Name one (1) English-language novel you've read which is harder than the ones in OP. Inb4 shifting goalposts, it's clear from the choice in OP that we're talking novels in English

>> No.17342628

>>17342623
Mason & Dixon

>> No.17342630

>>17342623

Finnegans Wake is harder than all of them. The Recognitions is harder than two of them. Against The Day is a harder Pynchon. IJ isn't hard at all.

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>>17342623
>IJ
>Hard

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>>17342630
>Against The Day is a harder Pynchon
Anon...

>> No.17342646

>>17342630
>>17342631
Lol, utter pseuds. I'm a pretty smart guy (verified IQ of 148) but even I broke into a cold sweat at times while reading IJ. There's some pretty complex grammar and vocabulary in that book, and – did you even read Hamlet and the Odyssey? Maybe the symbolism went over your heads?

>> No.17342647

>>17342635
I mean, it's not a hard book, but it's harder than GR.

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>>17342646

>> No.17342651

>>17342646

Yes, I have read all of Shakespeare and Homer. IJ isn't hard. It's an easy version of a type of novel that is usually hard. Even Coover has more difficult points.

>> No.17342652

>>17342623
Absalom Absalom!
The tunnel
>Inb4 shifting goalposts
OP said literature not anglo lit, doesn't matter if he only posted anglo novels. Zettel's traum is harder than atleast 2 of them on there.

>> No.17342667

>>17342652

I have read everything else (but one that costs like 500 dollars) by Schmidt in English. I'm looking forward to that one, but saving it for the right time.

I'd say that AA is harder than GR and IJ. I don't think that's it's harder than U.

I really enjoyed The Tunnel. It didn't strike me as difficult at all, but it's definitely much better than at least 2 of the books in OP.

>> No.17342675

>>17340720
>>17340730
>>17340760

Guys. Just because a book is popular doesn't mean it's bad. There are reasons these books are so popular/revered.

>> No.17342686

>>17342675
I like you; really, I do. You're probably real purty too.

>> No.17342697

>>17342667
Nice. AA didn't feel harder than GR to me, but it was definitely harder than IJ. Haven't read Ulysses yet.
Tunnel is weird to me, i wasn't a big fan of it but still interested enough to finish it, maybe that made some passages impenetrable.
The English translation of Zettel's traum weighs 6 kgs lol. Its about twice as long as IJ by word count.

>> No.17342701

>>17342675

I enjoyed IJ, but I would argue that, outside of a certain type of white dude, IJ isn't really that revered anymore.

Also, on the main topic, there are Vollmann books that are harder than at least two of them. One might even argue that Rising Up (unedited) is harder than U, just due to the sheer length of the bastard.

>> No.17342717

>>17342697

My reason for not reading ZT yet is sad. I prefer to read one book at a time and I do most of my reading while laying down. ZT is going to be a bitch to hold up for that long, so I'm actually looking into buying a special stand for it so that I can be lazy.

If you got through AA, you shouldn't have much of a problem with U. I found it useful to have a general summary of the themes of each chapter available to me after reading them. That way, if there were themes that were more oblique, it helped keep them at the forefront of my mind going forward.

>> No.17342728

>>17342717

*AA is probably my favorite book of all time. On the original subject, while most Faulkner is difficult, it's not that hard to comprehend. The Sound + The Fury makes AA look easy. Short of Finnegans Wake, it is probably the hardest book that I have ever read.

>> No.17342998

>>17341226
he doesn’t deliberately give him aids. the prostitute has aids. the rapist gets offended when he is told to wear a condom and cuts it off deliberately to spite him, accidentally giving himself aids. hence the title of the film, “Accomplice!”

>> No.17343034

>>17341226
>>17342998
dfw sounds homophobic as fuck... what an asshole

>> No.17343037

>>17342728
Reading Absalom, Absalom! right now and can confirm it's very difficult. If he didnt give me the genealogy and chronology in the back to cheat I would be completely lost

>> No.17343055

>>17342998
I remember it as the guy using the razor to cut a slit in his anus to ensure a full fluid exchange...
The bit about the prostitute carrying the little corpse of her miscarried baby for weeks on end until the smell was too unbearable was pretty tame too.

>> No.17343058

>>17340508
i readed all these, i gather that makes me pretty smart right? like at least 120 IQ, maybe higher

>> No.17343065

>>17343055
What the fuck is this shit, Emergence? I never knew DFW was such a sick fuck.

>> No.17343264

>>17343058
>Readed
Try again fren

>> No.17343311

>>17343264
readé?

>> No.17343337

>>17343311
I meant the books :)

>> No.17343340

>>17343337
will it make me smarterer?

>> No.17343351

>>17343264
Red

>> No.17343447

>>17343037
Is Faulker the capeshitter of the canon?

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>>17343034
Dave had his troubles...

>> No.17343505

>>17342647
no it isn't

>> No.17343809

>>17341052
Is blood meridian actually good? I got one chapter into it but the way it's written made me want to commit Sudoku

>> No.17343875

>>17343809
It's pretty great. It starts to pick up from chapter 4, but if you don't like the syntax then maybe you won't like it going forward. Worth a try though, McCarthy's style takes some getting used to. It's the greatest American novel of 20th century imo, if that means anything to you.

>> No.17343883

>>17343447
Tf does that even mean?

>> No.17343888

>>17340508
>tougher books
Anon, they're not recommended for being tough, they're recommended for being great works that share similar attributes.
I'm sorry you thought they were supposed to be hard though lol I hope you understood everything

>> No.17343898

>>17343065
yeh me neither. I guess that's because no one's actually read infinite jest

>> No.17344024

>>17343875
when last I tried reading it I was pretty rusty on reading as a whole, currently reading The Plague has been shaking some rust off and I'm back to feeling confident in my reading again. I'll give it another crack now that I might be able to follow the syntax more easily.

>> No.17344055

>>17343037
Nah Absalom ain’t difficult

>> No.17344069

>>17343065
He was literally just retelling stories he heard while he was attending AA meetings.
Fuck, when did this board become so full of coddled, sheltered normies?

>> No.17344093

>>17342194
based schizo intellectual

>> No.17344190

>>17344069
t. homophobic psychopath

Do you feel proud?

>> No.17344199

>>17344190
Can you stop with your mental illness already?
Why are you so afraid of reality, white boy?
Are you just baiting?

>> No.17344481

I tried starting gravity's rainbow the other night. I did not enjoy it at all. IJ was good tho. I'm about halfway through the divine comedy rn, it's better than both of those 2 books by far.

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>>17342194
now this I can get into

>> No.17344930

I Have read v by Pynchon and it was quite enjoyable. But i cant get into GR, no matter how many times i try to read it, i dont get it. It's too obscure, too long, the sentences dont make any sense. Maybe because I am ESL

>> No.17344978

>>17344930
GR shouldn't be that impenetrable for someone who got through V. Read Lot 49 fren then try GR again.

>> No.17345099

you guys are a bunch of faggots i wish i knew you in real life id fuck you up

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