Please Rate and Review my Chart!

[Anonymous No.17296747]

Hello!
This is the first chart I have ever made; it's more historical/cultural than purely /lit/, but as it revolves around writers I think it has a place here. So, what do you think?

[Anonymous No.17296773]

>>17296747
>Tolstoy

[Anonymous No.17296824]

>>17296773
Well, he is a notable Russian writer

[Anonymous No.17296826]

>>17296747
>Greece
>Homer
Greece is ancient Greek as Italy is Roman

[Anonymous No.17296835]

>>17296747
Kafka was from Prague

[Anonymous No.17296844]

>>17296835
Yeah, but he wrote in German and to me he's more associated with Austria-Hungary than the Czech region

[Anonymous No.17296845]

>>17296747
Poland's most notable writer is Stanislaw Lem

[Anonymous No.17296866]

>>17296747
Shouldn't France be Proust and Turkey be Yunus Emre by default?

[Anonymous No.17296875]

>>17296866
this
>>17296845
other notable writers, speaking globally, are Witkacy (Insatiability) and Gombrowicz

[Anonymous No.17296890]

>>17296747
Finland and sweden are wtf-tier

[Anonymous No.17296893]

>>17296747
>Uses a semicolon correctly
>Comes across as genuine
>Creative take on the /lit/ chart

You seem like a lovely person OP

[Anonymous No.17296900]

>>17296824
Not as Russian as Dostoyevsky though.

[Anonymous No.17296913]

>>17296747
Watch out, the Dostofags are going to show up in full force.
Nice chart, I actually like this idea a lot.

[Anonymous No.17296928]

>>17296913
DOSTO WEAK
TOLSTOY WEAK
TURGENEV STRONG

[Anonymous No.17296930]

>>17296893
Thank you :)

>>17296900
That's fair, I forgot parts of War and Peace are in French.

>>17296890
I haven't been exposed to much of Scandinavian literature unfortunately. Hopefully as I read more I'll learn about more notable writers.

[Anonymous No.17296931]

>>17296875
>>17296845
hold on, i looked at the pic a bit more and all of it is stupid

kafka for austria?
the most fitting country is germany, but then again hes not the most notable german writer

some unknown hag for czechia?
i thought czechias most notable writer was kundera

france and not proust?

russia and not dostoyevsky?

im also p sure theres far more goin on in sweden than this.

[Anonymous No.17296992]

My take
Most notable European writers, by country:

France - Proust
Britain - Shakespeare
Russia - Dostoyevsky
Germany - Goethe I guess...
Austria - Freud/Wittgenstein
Czechia - Kundera
Poland - Stanislaw Lem
Spain - Cervantes
Italy - Dante

for the rest of countries i guess ill go with your picks!

[Anonymous No.17297027]

>>17296992
>Austria - Freud/Wittgenstein
>not a single proposed Austrian writer in this thread is actually Austrian

[Anonymous No.17297031]

>>17296931
>>17296992
Yeah, I didn't intend it to be "the greatest European writers" from each country, just ones I found notable or interesting, whether for their work or cultural impact on their respective nations.

[Anonymous No.17297037]

>>17297027
austrian jews are still austrians

[Anonymous No.17297054]

>>17297037
ok then might as well do the whole chart and just have jews as the best writers for all of europe, how's that sound, really getting into the spirit of things eh?

[Anonymous No.17297070]

>>17296747
Have you actually read even a quarter of these writers, OP, or are you just posting that list based on wikipedia summaries etc? I mean no offence, I am genuinely curious.

[Anonymous No.17297078]

>>17297054
But not all of those countries have outstanding Jewish writers? I dunno anon you might wanna take a chill pill desu.

[Anonymous No.17297081]

>>17297027
>>17297037
>>17297054
well, there is one Austrian who wrote a notoriously well-known book...

[Anonymous No.17297083]

>>17297054
Bruh, you have countries like Turkey, Azerbaijan, Georgia in your list
What spirit?

[Anonymous No.17297094]

>>17297081
It's shit. I even thought so when I was a NatCuck.

[Anonymous No.17297102]

>>17297081
And hes had some jew ancestry too

[Anonymous No.17297104]

>>17296931
>unknown hag
She is extremely popular.

Czechia should be Kundera, Hasek, Schulz or Vancura.
Slovakia should be Tatarka, Mnacko or Chalupka.
>>17296992
Austria - Bernhard

[Anonymous No.17297109]

>>17297070
I personally have read these dudes:
>Shakespeare (all poetry and all plays except the Winter's Tale and The Tempest)
>Hugo (Les Mis)
>Dante (Divine Comedy)
>Homer (Iliad + Odyssey)
>Tolstoy
>a little bit of Rosseau
>Kafka's Metamorphosis
>some of Cervante's Don Quixote
The rest of these guys came in from research via Wikipedia and older discussions on /lit/ and Quora.

[Anonymous No.17297110]

>>17297094
I never bothered reading it.
Ok let's brainstorm more Austrians.
There's the Austrian school of economics, although some of them were Jews too...
There's Rudolf Steiner, he was a non-Jewish Austrian...
I'm spent, can't think of any others, and unfortunately I'm not really into literary fiction so of course I'm going to name people who wrote more on politics, economics, philosophy and history etc than anyone with artful prose.

[Anonymous No.17297113]

I think the problem with the concept of your chart is that several countries cannot really elicit a single representative author. I'm French and Hugo is probably the best choice you could have made in that contest but it still feels weird because he's not as representative of our cultural psyche as, say, La Fontaine, Molière or Rabelais, and he's not considered "the best" when compared to Flaubert, Baudelaire or Proust for instance. I'm sure many people from many countries can share the same sentiment.
That being said, good job designing the thing. It looks good, and I think the problem I pointed really doesn't have any solution anyway.

[Anonymous No.17297127]

>>17297083
This >>17297054 is not me (OP). I do think the Caucasus is geographically part of Europe, but I'll admit these nations are often more West Asian than European culturally.

[Anonymous No.17297139]

>>17297083
OP's image does not, however, have an author who happened to be an ethnic Azeri as the chosen author in Austria, simply because such an author happened to be an Austrian national.

[Anonymous No.17297154]

>>17297113
That's a fair point and actually France was when I decided to focus more on writers I found notable/interesting than "the best" writer, for the reasons you described.

[Anonymous No.17297159]

>>17297110
The fact that you didn't mention Stefan Zweig, Thomas Bernhard, or Robert Muslim leads me to believe you are not very cultured anon.

[Anonymous No.17297169]

>>17297154
Oh well my criticism is misplaced then, good map OP.

[Anonymous No.17297178]

>>17297159
Robert Musil*

[Anonymous No.17297183]

>>17297078
I am sure we could find some if we really tried?
>>17297081
lol
>>17297083
I am not the OP you retarded homofaggot lol. OP also has a Jew as the Austrian writer, if you didn't know.
>>17297110
If we're talking Jews, Weininger is actually a really based Austrian Jew. Love him.

[Anonymous No.17297187]

>>17297159
>names novelists
I did clearly say I'm not well read in literary fiction, did you miss that point?
I mean, I'm aware of Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, Turgenev and Leskov, but if I were to name a Russian author who I've actually read, it'd be Pitirim Sorokin. I just have different interests to you when it comes to reading.

[Anonymous No.17297199]

>>17297109
Fair enough. I was wondering because afaik typically Paisius is considered a cultural revivalist rather than an author, at least in my limited understanding of my own country's literary tradition. Vazov is typically more renowned - he's our most famous writer and a devoted Romanticist.

[Anonymous No.17297202]

>>17297187
Ah my mistake then.

[Anonymous No.17297207]

>>17297183
>OP also has a Jew as the Austrian writer
Wow are there any real Austrians left or is it just all Jews. I mean, the Dutch arent known for their literature, but I still have to go through atleast 25 Dutch writers before I get too a Jew.

[Anonymous No.17297211]

>>17296747
In Portugal it's Camões, not Pessoa.

In France, Victor Hugo? Seriously? I'd put Flaubert, Moliere, Proust, Baudelaire, or Villon first. I am pretty sure most Frenchmen would rather agree on Moliere than on Hugo.

[Anonymous No.17297227]

>>17297183
stfu, faggot

[Anonymous No.17297231]

>>17297211
Vondel is a perfect pick for the Netherlands, he could have done worse by picking Multatuli or better by picking Bilderdijk. But... thats not that important.

[Anonymous No.17297234]

>>17296835
>>17296844
Božena Němcová is a really poor choice for CZ. She has one famous book and it's not a very good one. Even Jaroslav Hašek would have been a better choice. Karel Čapek. Bohumil Hrabal. All better choices. If you want some old shit, even Karel Hynek Mácha is a better choice.

[Anonymous No.17297239]

>>17296747
Russia - Pushkin
Portugal - Camões
France - Baudelaire
Denmark - Kierkegaard
Norway - Ibsen

[Anonymous No.17297246]

>>17297104
>>17296992
Kundera is a terrible choice. He fled the nation and hasn´t been back.

[Anonymous No.17297270]

>>17297239
>Camões
Who?

[Anonymous No.17297280]

There is literally nothing linking Kafka to Austria.

[Anonymous No.17297292]

>>17297207
>I mean, the Dutch arent known for their literature, but I still have to go through atleast 25 Dutch writers before I get too a Jew.
This is actually surprising because the Netherlands is another very Jewish nation. Typically a huge amount of the Ashkenazis intellectuals in the 19th and 20th century were from Austria-Hungary, though. Various political stripes, too. Vienna was a very Jewish city and served as the central hub of the Jewish communities of the entire Habsburg empire so it's not very surprising. Another anon already mentioned Mein Kampf and if you actually read the first couple of chapters you can see Hitler seethe about how Jewish his homeland is, lol. Pretty funny.
>>17297227
dilate

[Anonymous No.17297332]

>>17297246
He is still Czech. It should be Vancura or Hasek imo. Capek and Hrabal are the most famous though, as >>17297234 said.

[Anonymous No.17297364]

>>17296747
Jefimija lmao. Try Crnjanski, Andric, Selimovic.

[Anonymous No.17297366]

>>17297332
Hasek is the 20th century Chaucer and he's criminally underrated.

[Anonymous No.17297376]

>>17297332
>>17297234
>>17297246
>>17297104
Few know even Kundera, for Czechia is pretty much irrelevant culturally, but if someone had to name at least ONE czech writer, some intellectual people would name Kundera, i guess. all others are pretty much unknown on the global scale - capek is culturally relevant for creating the word robot but honestly no one recognizes this or knows his books (talking about the global scale) and hasek is only recognized in CIS countries

t. czech

[Anonymous No.17297392]

>>17296875
I read diary from Gombrowich, it was great. What should I read from him next?

[Anonymous No.17297396]

>>17297366
pathetic hyperbole of a small country nationalist

[Anonymous No.17297428]

>>17297396
Name a better satirist from the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.17297474]

>>17297270
A writer about whom Torquato Tasso, Hermann Melville, Elizabeth Browning, Roy Campbell, and Jorge Luis Borges wrote poems, and who Harold Bloom considered one of the 100 greatest geniuses of Western literature. One of the few writers mentioned with high praise in Miguel de Cervantes's Don Quixote.
Also known as the main foundational author of Portuguese literature. All Portuguese literature - Pessoa included - springs from Camões.

Camöens (Before)

Ever restless, restless, craving rest –
Forever must I fan this fire,
Forever in flame on flame aspire?
Yea, for the God demands thy best.
The world with endless beauty teems,
And thought evokes new worlds of dreams:
Hunt then the flying herds of themes!
And fan, yet fan thy fervid fire,
Until the crucible gold shall show
That fire can purge as well as glow.
In ordered ardor, nobly strong,
Flame to the height of epic song.

- MELVILLE

[Anonymous No.17297497]

>>17297474
>Hunt then the flying herds of themes!
>In ordered ardor

[Anonymous No.17297501]

>>17297474
Are the translations of his works good or is too much lost in the translation process?

[Anonymous No.17297551]

>>17297501
Well, they were mostly made in the 18th and 19th century, and therefore they will contain all the vices of not-so-inspired neoclassical verse. Sir Richard Francis Burton was a great admirer of Camões, and translated the Lusiads, but I don't think it's a very successful poetic work.
Still, I suppose it can definitely be read with enjoyment, because Camões's retelling of Portugal's history and Vasco da Gama's voyage is quite entertaining.

Roy Campbell's translations are good, but he never managed to translate the Lusiads. He died in a car crash before he could do it.
If you can read some romance, then read a translation of Camões into a romance language, because it will be considerably closer to the original (this rule applies to any romance, or Latin author).

But Camões was very similar to Petrarch, in the sense that, although he often had much rhetoric in his all, he managed to turn it into an incredibly colorful and high-sounding poetic music. To this day, even though the Lusiads were written more than 450 years ago, it's still one of the most readable books in Portuguese, because of how strongly the music carries the reader, much like the waves of the sea.

Borges said you could feel the Ocean in the verses of the Lusiads, and called it the Portuguese Aeneid.

[Anonymous No.17297591]

>>17297551
I really should learn a Romance language, I'm no monoglot but there's so much good Spanish, French, Portuguese, abd Italian works out there that are either not translated or translated poorly.

[Anonymous No.17297600]

nice work, anon

[Anonymous No.17297645]

>>17297600
Thanks! :)

[Anonymous No.17297648]

>>17297591
True. Just Cervantes and Dante are enough of a reason to learn.
I recommend you start with Spanish, though my first one is Portuguese.
Don't start with French, because it's more distant from the others. Spanish and Portuguese are very similar, and Italian is quite similar to them.

[Anonymous No.17297790]

>>17297648
dont learn french, period.
>>17296747
turkey isnt part of europe lol

[Anonymous No.17297805]

>>17297790
Asia Minor has been considered a part of Europe for a majority of it's history, just because the people who live there aren't European doesn't mean the geographical area isn't. Was Spain not a part of Europe when it was conquered?

[Anonymous No.17297812]

>>17297790
>turkey isnt part of europe lol
Bro I (OP) consider Azerbaijan to be part of Europe. To be Turkey being part of Europe isn't really a debate.

[Anonymous No.17297813]

>>17297790
French literature is immensely rich. One of the great joys of my life is the fact that I have taught myself to read French.

[Anonymous No.17297819]

>>17297292
dilating your mothers ass

[Anonymous No.17297818]

>>17297812
That's just kinda odd anon, the Caucuses being a part of Europe is an odd opinion to have.

[Anonymous No.17297833]

>>17297376
>and hasek is only recognized in CIS countries
yeah, this faggot participated in red terror

[Anonymous No.17297936]

>>17297818
For what it's worth, this is what I consider to be the boundary between Europe and Asia.

[Anonymous No.17298015]

>>17297936
same but remove turkey

[Anonymous No.17298106]

>>17297936
I mean I guess when you have it on a map it makes a little more sense.
>>17298015
>The Caucuses are a part of Europe
>Turkey isn't
Brain dead.

[Anonymous No.17298213]

>>17298106
>Brain dead.
no u

[Anonymous No.17298226]

>>17298213

[Anonymous No.17298679]

>>17296747
Technically competent but conceptually banal. What good is a chart that says "Joyce is Ireland's most notable author!" why? What's the point? Is this buzzfeed? fuck you

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17298980]

>>17296844
That’s like associating him with Israel because he was Jewish.
Prague. Currently in the nation of the Czech Republic.

Nation-statism is as idiotic as trying to figure out who’s best. Whatever metric that isn’t your own, it’s just wankery.
Hey no offense.

[Anonymous No.17299088]

>>17296747
>Turkey

[Anonymous No.17299433]

>>17296747
>Sweden: Kellgren
What a weird choice. Most would say Strindberg.

[Anonymous No.17299447]

>>17296747
Latvian should be Ziedonis or Rainis

[Anonymous No.17299463]

>>17299433
Correct answer is Morberg. Sweden doesn't have that many great writers, so yes, the choice is odd

[Anonymous No.17299471]

Who the fuck is Johan Henric Kellgren?

[Anonymous No.17299790]

>>17296930
>That's fair, I forgot parts of War and Peace are in French
Not in my version

[Anonymous No.17299972]

>>17296747
>bearstar bearson instead of i*sen or hamsun
basert

[Anonymous No.17300135]

>>17296928
if we were to ask Dostoevskij, Tolstoj, Trugenev, Goncharov, Gogol, etc who was the best russian writer they'd say Puskin

[Anonymous No.17300276]

>>17296826
this

[Anonymous No.17300303]

>>17296747
>Szymon Budny in Belarus
kek. I refuse to believe that there are no other more notable writers from Belarus

[Anonymous No.17300314]

>>17296747
That eye is Slovakia

[Anonymous No.17300435]

>>17296747
Why Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson and not Henrik Ibsen or Knut Hamsun?

[Anonymous No.17300523]

I like the concept very much OP. And cool map too, that must've taken ages to edit! My personal picks (for the countries I feel like I know enough about the national literature of) (and which I've actually read lol) would be this:

>Britain: Shakespeare (although it irks me to confine him bc I feel like he transcends the national existence so much)
>Ireland: Joyce is my favourite but I love Wilde and Yeats too and Swift should be mentioned
>France: Hard pick but Molière or Montaigne or maybe a tie between both
>Spain: Cervantes
>Portugal: I love Pessoa but it would have to be Camoës
>Italy: Dante without a doubt
>Germany: Goethe without a doubt
>Norway: Ibsen (If you haven't read at least Peer Gynt and want an in to Scandinavian literature that's my recc)
>Sweden: Strindberg (super underrated on this board for some reason)
>Russia: Pushkin and Tolstoy tie for me. Pushkin is the fount of all Russian literature but Tolstoy was so ingenious and moving and powerful on so many levels and in so many different ways its impossible to dismiss him
>Greece: Personally I prefer the dramatists and I think that Oedipus Rex is a far superior and much work to the epics of Homer (both in terms of real artistic power and genuine enjoyability (the iliad for example is very clunky and superfluous) but I would be deluding myself if I didn't say that Homer was the greatest Greek writer. Maybe I'd do what I did for France and Russia and say Sophocles and Homer

[Anonymous No.17300582]

>>17300523
>Britain
do you think it's fair to have this as one nation?

[Anonymous No.17300596]

>>17300523

And I'll add the thing with Oedipus that I find so incredible is this. Morality is essentially subject to vogue. Times have elapsed over history wherein slavery has come in and out of moral fashion; pedophilia has cycled through acceptability; the gravity of rape has been subject to change; execution is the same; racism is the same; it hasn't been a matter of progress. It has been a matter of being ok in some times and places, and evil in others. The one thing which has been, in all times and places abhorred by all peoples is the act of impregnating (or even sleeping with) one's mother, and the slaughter of one's father. Oedipus Rex manages tap perfectly into this one universla taboo, and thus create a tragedy which is universally horrifying and viscerally shocking, even just to read in summary. Even so, though, it all is setup and executed in such a way as to make it so that the perpetrator of these actions can't possibly be blamed or hated, giving a really deeply impressing sense of pity and hallowing in the audience rather than just contempt and dismissal, which provokes a lot of reflection on broader philosophic issues regarding praise, blame and sympathy. Obviously I know that Sophocles didn't invent the myth, but he is our primary account of, and he could easily have framed everything differently to give a different impression. At the same time, its completely economical and simultaneously gloriously poetic. I could mention also that the play manages to completely subvert every Athenian value and glory of inquisitiveness, and worship of truth, justice, and piety, but I have talked long enough.

[Anonymous No.17300605]

>>17300582

not really but I'm just playing by the rules that have been set out by OP

[Anonymous No.17300616]

>>17300582
no but then we have to decide what to do with Northern Ireland and I don't feel like getting car bombed

[Anonymous No.17300651]

>Belgium
wtf

[Anonymous No.17300667]

>>17296747
France should be Céline.

[Anonymous No.17300697]

>ukraine
should be Gogol
>inb4 buttblasted ruskies
couldn't care less about your third-world shithole disputes, but gogol is as much of a russian as nabokov is american (and for the same reasons)

[Anonymous No.17300704]

>>17296747
E
Ko je jebote Jefimija????

[Anonymous No.17300745]

>>17296747
Change Poland to Słowacki.

[Anonymous No.17300803]

Great chart 10/10

OP is creative and trying

[Anonymous No.17300809]

>>17296747
>not forgetting about Liechtenstein
bless your heart

[Anonymous No.17300843]

>>17297292
>This is actually surprising because the Netherlands is another very Jewish nation.
This just means Jews have a much harder time getting their foot in the door. Basically, any Jew trying to infiltrate Dutch society would have to go through both a highly money-savy regent-class that has controled the Netherlands for the last 400 years as well as the highly puritanical Reformed clergy. Jews never succeeded in doing that, while in Austria they had to deel with a lot of old gentry and decadent catholic priests.

There is almost no important Jewish writer in the Dutch language, after the first half of the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.17300844]

>>17300843
>There is almost no important Jewish writer in the Dutch language, after the first half of the 20th century.
I mean before the first half of the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.17300846]

>>17296747
This is a retarded chart and you should stop making them.

[Anonymous No.17300861]

I have been learning Polish for a year and I want to quit this godforsaken language but I was wondering if /lit/ could find any /lit/ reason to not give up and learn French or Jap instead. Is Polish poetry at least any good :(

[Anonymous No.17300885]

>>17296747
>Shakespeare
>Scotland
It's a creative chart nonetheless, a fresh take on the format here. Very good work OP.

[Anonymous No.17300886]

>>17296900
>Dostoevkij over Tolstoj
pleb.

[Anonymous No.17300889]

>>17300886
sometime you'll get over the nabokov phase and start having tastes and opinions of your own, anon

[Anonymous No.17300911]

>>17297207
Harry Mulisch is a jew

[Anonymous No.17300912]

>>17296845
Lem was a Jew, and so was Kafka. Jews should be disqualified

[Anonymous No.17300925]

>>17297364
>Andric, Selimovic
Not pure Serbs

[Anonymous No.17301085]

>>17300843
Sephardis did that for the past 400 years

[Anonymous No.17301201]

>>17296747
While Trubar is historically important, as writers either Prešeren or Cankar would better for Slovenia.

[Anonymous No.17301278]

>>17300925
A штa cy oндa, дa ниcy cлyчaјнo Хpвaти или Бoшњaц? Cpби кoји пишy o Cpбимa и Mycлимaнимa нa тepитopији Peпyбликe Cpпcкe. Пpoчитaј њихoвe биoгpaфијe и изјaвe, oбoјицa ce изјaшњaвaјy кao Cpби.

[Anonymous No.17301298]

>>17300697
Lol, retard, third-world shithole is your ukraine
And gogol write in russian and consider himself as russian author
Nabokov write many of his books in
english
What's books Gogol write in ukranian? Where is at least only one?

[Anonymous No.17301338]

>>17297211
This is correct. Camões holds a more prominent position in Portuguese literature than Pessoa.

[Anonymous No.17301343]

>>17296747
I don't know about that Jefimija choice

[Anonymous No.17301348]

>>17296747
As a Bulgarian Paisius is a propaganda writer and his history is so off he must have known it's a lie. He was a propaganda writer or so deep into his monastic life he didn't give a shit. Either way his "Bulgarian History" is not a literary masterpiece, but only a historical artefact.

I'd recommend Hristo Botev's poetry as the best from BG lit or if you want the most influential you'll have to get trough the brain-dead prose of Ivan Vazov complete with a bad plot. If you are stuck on the idea that it needs to look at the theological texts and psalm, prayer, liturgy translations. Jacobson has an essay on Church Slavonic poetry.

>pic related the absolute state of Bulgarian lit

[Anonymous No.17301359]

>>17301348
*it needs to be some sort of founding text for the discourse you'll have to look...

[Anonymous No.17301363]

>>17301278
seething
Andrić je nedvosmisleno jugoslovenski pisac nego ikojeg od triju naroda. Selimović je najprirodniji za bh. pisca (srpskog ili nesrpskog). Pitanje je više za nešto suštinski vezano za Srbiju, u kojoj mjeri bih se složio da su ili Crnjanski ili Pavić bolji izbor.

[Anonymous No.17301390]

>>17296826
Yeah OP you should definitely use a modern Greek, Cavafy or someone like that, Homer's Greek is a different language and modern Greece would be utterly unrecognizable to him.

[Anonymous No.17301419]

>>17301363
Дa y пpaвy cи, дpyгa двoјицa cy битнијa зa cpпcкo пoднeбљe мaдa Цpњaнcки јe ипaк вишe вeзaн зa Boјвoдинy и Cpбe y Aycтpoyгapcкoј.

[Anonymous No.17301428]

>>17296845
This

[Anonymous No.17301455]

>>17296747
Weren't Snorri Sturluson from Norway?

[Anonymous No.17301488]

>>17301455
No

[Anonymous No.17301492]

>>17301455
Iceland is Norwegian clay

[Anonymous No.17301644]

>>17300911
>Harry Mulisch is a jew
The only people who will put him within the first 25 best Dutch authors are either lefties or read only modern literature. Both the Golden Age and the late 19th century to early 20th century has plenty of better authors then Mullisch. There are also a few good ones in the 18th and 19th century.

[Anonymous No.17301650]

>>17296845
If Kafka is somehow Austrian, then Joseph Conrad would be Poland's most notable writer.

[Anonymous No.17301654]

>>17301085
>Sephardis did that for the past 400 years
If they did, the Dutch would be antisemitic, they usually are not, the Dutch defeat the Jews at their own games.

[Anonymous No.17301768]

>>17296826
relevant pic. Why do Modern Greeks seethe so much about this? Their language is more fucking stupid than French, they pronounce everything like ee

[Anonymous No.17301781]

>>17300523
Strindberg is a real sleeper on /lit/. He's right up this stupid board's alley otherwise.

[Anonymous No.17301845]

>>17296747
Halldór Laxness might be a better pick for Iceland, but I don't think anyone will protest Snorri being there instead.

[Anonymous No.17302139]

>>17301419
Meni stvarno ne pada na um ni jedan srpski romanopisac iz Srbije u proteklih 70 godina. Pjesnika gro, dramaturga takođe, masu Srba iz Bosne ali baš ni jedan romanopisac

[Anonymous No.17302467]

>>17296845
Lem is popular abroad, but he is not nearly as significant as Mickiewicz

[Anonymous No.17302505]

>>17297936
t.turkroach

Azerbaijan and Turkey have neither the right, nor the desire to be europeans. Georgia and Armenia are in Asia, they are just christian

[Anonymous No.17302514]

>>17296747
IIRC it was Kosztolányi who said about Kazinczy that he never wrote anything good in his life, but even so, his entire life as a reformer of the language was worthy enough to be called his masterpiece instead. So I'd advise you to choose someone else, maybe Petőfi, Arany János, József Attila, Babits Mihály, Madách, or even Kosztolányi himself.

[Anonymous No.17302576]

>>17296747
You misspelled Croatia. Also, I don't know what your criteria was, but Gundulić is a writer briefly mentioned in school and never really read outside it, Miroslav Krleža and Marija Jurić Zagorka would have been a more logical choice to me.

[Anonymous No.17302717]

>>17296747
Mickievic is from Belarus, not Poland;see Rousseau as Swiss instead of French.
Ironically, Simon Budny was born and probably raised in modern Polish borders. It is even kinda far from historically Ruthenian part of Podlasie region.

Also, Budny is close to literally-who tier in Belarus. Skaryna is unmatched in notability, but he wrote like one preface to a book, lol... I dunno whom to offer as replacement who is not from 1000 years ago. Uladzislau Karatkievic mb

[Anonymous No.17303364]

>>17300523

Just went to sleep and woke up I change my mind for France to be Moliere and Flaubert instead

[Anonymous No.17303431]

>>17303364
no Proust?

[Anonymous No.17303491]

>>17301348
Vazov is a great poet tho, on par with Botev. I'm also not a fan of his prose (I don't think anyone is), but he's at the top for better or worse.

[Anonymous No.17303531]

>>17302717
t.litvin

[Anonymous No.17303829]

>>17303491
Both of them are underwhelming and I'm often ashamed to have such a poor literary history, but yeah I guess his poetry is on par. What pushes Note over the edge for me is that he has bold ideas about the world to come, while Basic strikes me as idealising history for the nomenclature. What Botev does on an ethical level is more acceptable.

[Anonymous No.17304025]

>>17296747
Scotland and Wales really deserve their own spots.

[Anonymous No.17304264]

>>17303431

No can't stand Proust

[Anonymous No.17304295]

>>17303431

Can't stand him and I should add he's not nearly as good as Flaubert or as Innovative and influential as Moliere. Or Montaigne, or Baudelaire or even de Sade if you want t seriously talk about international impact on literature and philosophy. He also mangles himself with the insufferable French habit of creating a vast vast amount of installments into one single work that takes a lifetime to write ala Zola and Balzac. Waste of time. People say stupid shit like "well if you don't want to sit through 3000 pages of someone tossing about in bed trying to sleep then that just means youre not really into lit and dont like reading!!!!". Bullshit. I like to eat food but it doesn't mean I want to eat an entire elephant much one that's diseased and not even fully cooked like Proust's crap is.

[Anonymous No.17304305]

>>17304025

Scotland at least

[Anonymous No.17304312]

>>17304295

And if you don't understand what I mean by 'not cooked' the last three instalments of ISOLT is literally first drafts.

[Anonymous No.17304363]

>>17296747
I'd replace Bjørnstjerne with Ibsen or Hamsun

t. Norwegian

[Anonymous No.17304375]

>>17296747
>all dead white men

[Anonymous No.17304392]

>Hungary
>Kazinczy
He might be "important" historically but nobody actually reads his works because enlightenment literature is boring as fuck.

[Anonymous No.17304622]

>>17296845
Not nearly as notable as Mickiewicz. There's really no competition here.

[Anonymous No.17304656]

I would recommend Rainis for Latvia instead. Pumpurs is notable, but if you have to choose ONE, Rainis would be a favourite for it. Tbh he is a bit of a national father figure and hero in many ways but well deserved

[Anonymous No.17305173]

>>17296747
Interesting that non-Bulgarian would know Paisius of Hilendar. How did you learn of him?

[Anonymous No.17305241]

>>17296747
For Albania, it shouldn't be Buzuku, nobody reads him. The most widely read Albanian author is Kadare, who almost certainly has a lock on being recognized as the best Albanian author of the last fifty years, but he's still alive and it seems like your chart is aimed more at historically notable examples. So instead consider Gjergj Fishta.

[Anonymous No.17305454]

>>17296747
Okay so looking at more of the listed authors that I'm not familiar with, OP it seems like for any country where you didn't know any authors you went on the Wikipedia page for that country's literature and chose someone mentioned, favoring historical figures that Wikipedia lists as responsible for "reviving" the nation's literature or starting a literary movement. That's a fine basis for a chart I guess, but it's not a very good /lit/ chart because people will presumably use a /lit/ chart to identify some author that they can actually read. So when they look at your chart and see Buzuku, or Hilendar, or Agricola, or Jefimija, or Fikret mentioned they're going to try to look up those authors and find that there aren't any books by those authors available to read. There are ways to fix this if you wanted to make the chart better for /lit/, but based on your OP it doesn't seem like that's your goal.

[Anonymous No.17305499]

>>17302139
Бopиcлaв Пeкић јe мeни јaкo зaнимљив oд cpпcких.

[Anonymous No.17306752]

>>17296747
It's very attractive.

[Anonymous No.17306782]

>>17299463
>>17299433
Sweden's most notable writer is probably Stieg Larsson

[Anonymous No.17306810]

>>17298980
Arguably his most important identities were:
1. Jewish (first and foremost)
2. German (first & ancestral language, wrote all his works in German, studied at a German university & his social group was German, spoke Czech with a heavy German accent)

3. - ... doesn't exist. he lived in Prague. that's it. he didn't identify as Czech, or Bohemian, in the slightest

[Anonymous No.17306840]

>>17296866
>>17296875
>>17296992
>Proust
Fuck no, Hugo is the king of French literature.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17306860]

>>17306810
So you see how stupid nation-statism is?

[Anonymous No.17306927]

>>17297648
>I recommend you start with Spanish
I agree. It's the most useful and prolific and a sort of a middle point between Italian and Portuguese. If you speak it, both can probably understand you.

[Anonymous No.17306946]

>>17297936
this is what i consider to be europe

[Anonymous No.17306964]

>>17300861
>I have been learning Polish for a year
why?

[Anonymous No.17307019]

>>17300861
These are all good novelists:
>Lem
>Witkacy
>Gombrowicz
>Hlasko
Good plays&playwrights:
>Wyspianski's Wesele
>Fredro's Zemsta
>Slawomir Mrozek
Good poets:
>Mickiewicz
>Norwid
>Lesmian

speaking of Polish literature, poetry, and foreign literature in general, the major problem is translations. polish literature hasn't made it as far as russian literature because Poland wasn't an empire, its culture was subjugated and repressed, so it had little facets to the outside world. this means that there were few translation efforts (as the polish language itself was known only by few, since it was considered a minor language of a subjugated stateless people), and the language is hard to translate well in general. poetry is especially untranslateable in p much any language, while Polish literature is p much all poetry.

here's what Czeslaw Milosz - Poland's most renowned translator/writer/essayist - had to say about Lesmian (along with another translator):
>He is, however, little known outside of his home country, mostly on account of his neologisms-rich idiosyncratic style, dubbed "almost untranslatable" by Czesław Miłosz and "the ultimate and overwhelming proof for the untranslatability of poetry" by noted Polish Shakespearean translator, Stanisław Barańczak.[3]

here's an adorable romantic poem by Lesmian (not an example of Lesmian's writing that was mentioned above but still touching)
>Gdybym spotkał ciebie znowu pierwszy raz,
>Ale w innym sadzie, w innym lesie -
>Może by inaczej zaszumiał nam las
>Wydłużony mgłami na bezkresie....

>Może innych kwiatów wśród zieleni bruzd
>Jęłyby się dłonie dreszczem czynne -
>Może by upadły z niedomyślnych ust
>Jakieś inne słowa - jakieś inne...

>Może by i słońce zniewoliło nas
>Do spłynięcia duchem w róż kaskadzie,
>Gdybym spotkał ciebie znowu pierwszy raz,
>Ale w innym lesie, w innym sadzie...

[Anonymous No.17307057]

>>17296747
>UK
>Shakespeare
oh give me a break

[Anonymous No.17307300]

>>17296747
>shakespeare
not even the greatest writer of his generation

[Anonymous No.17308424]

>>17305241
Was going to say this. Kadare was nominated for the Nobel Prize for Literature I believe, and just checking up on him now it seems that he won the Neustadt Prize.

https://www.neustadtprize.org/2020-ismail-kadare/

[Anonymous No.17308459]

>>17303531
If Rousseau is Swiss instead of French, then Mickievic is Belarusian instead of Polish, easy as. Poland is a smoker's France anyway.
Put a Lem on Poland.

[Anonymous No.17308490]

>>17296747
It's such an odd thing to see Rustaveli on this board.
Brilliant, witty and marvelous writer

[Anonymous No.17308506]

>>17308459
>>17302717
But then again, that would make Gogol the most notable Ukrainian writer. Which hohols are okay with, I recon, but reeeeing from Moscow would outroar the pszeeeing from Warsaw.
I suppose fitting Bahuszewicz in Belarus would be better - he is actually taught and read at schools, and not just casually mentioned like Budny or Tyapinski or the rest, and he has that weird moustache.

Seriously, fuck Rousseau, he's an eyesore.

[Anonymous No.17308573]

>>17296747
I take an issue with Konstantinas Sirvydas. He wasn’t really a writer, just a catholic scholar and preacher. He wrote a dictionary of Lithuanian, Latin, and Polish, and also a book of sermons that he preached. That’s basically it to my knowledge. Someone like Antanas Škėma would be more appropriate in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.17308632]

>>17296845
No. Only for polish redditors

[Anonymous No.17308646]

>>17305454
Hilendar is a monastery you brainlet. Paisius OF Hilendar

[Anonymous No.17308978]

>>17296747
Hey OP, didn't read the entire conversation and won't really say suggestions for your chart, just passing by to say I saw it and found it very nice.
It's a cool and creative chart, hope you had nice suggestions and comments.
Bet it was hard to edit the european map, so cudos for you.

[Anonymous No.17309122]

>>17308459
>Poland is a smoker's France anyway.
kek

[Anonymous No.17309329]

>Romania
Yep.
>Republic of Moldova
It's probably not going to bother anyone, but Ion Creanga did not live in the part of Moldova that's known as Republic of Moldova today. I don't know who you could replace him with though.

[Anonymous No.17309712]

>>17302576
Bullshit, Marko Marulić or bust. Krleža was a libtard and Zagorka a woman

[Anonymous No.17309748]

>>17302576
Zagorka isn't even obrađena in school.
Marulić wrote in archaic Klingonian-Croatian that nobody understands.
Gundulić is a fine choice but maybe not very iconic.
Brlić-Mažuranić and Kovačić are the two most internationally famous, but the former wrote for children and the latter was a Jew.
So I guess Krleža is the best choice.

[Anonymous No.17309750]

>>17309712
These kind of charts should be unbiased, which you are clearly not, therefore your opinion is highly irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.17309780]

>>17309748
>Zagorka isn't even obrađena in school.
Tajna Krvavog Mosta was obligatory reading when I went to school, guess they changed that. Still famous among regular folk.
Šenoa is also quite famous, but despite being counted among Croatian writers, he wasn't of Croatian heritage (both parents were foreigners), so I guess he wouldn't be the best example.

[Anonymous No.17309786]

>>17309750
Shut up libtard

[Anonymous No.17309794]

>>17309780
Yeah, I don't know why they decided to cuck her out of the curriculum.

[Anonymous No.17309848]

>>17296747
Remove fucking Božena Němcová, she's not writer, she's cunt. Fucking disgrace. Her books are complete shit and were released and recognised only becouse she sucked everyone's cock. Worst books I've read.
Hrabal, Čapek, Hašek, Klíma, Erben, Mácha, Zeyer much better.
>They are irelevant to the west
Who cares what some retarded western niggers think, fuck em.
>Kundera
Fuck that traitorous swine KGB rat

[Anonymous No.17309955]

>>17296747
>Portugal
>Fernando Pessoa the eternal virgin instead of the great Camões
miss me with this gay shit

[Anonymous No.17309995]

>>17296826
Seething mutt

>>17296866
Proust is a jew, not French

[Anonymous No.17310588]

>>17308646
Thank you for the valuable correction.