/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17277270]

- Theodor, do you adore jazz?
- Jazz? I Adorno.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how he got his name.

[Anonymous No.17277285]

>>17277270
>NOOO STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE NOOO
Was he a proto /mu/tant?

[Anonymous No.17277312]

>Fiodor, do you have un jet ski?
>No, but I have dos toevski!

[Anonymous No.17277346]

>elitist snobby academic
>well versed in the classics and Western canon
>classical enthusiast who hated pop music and jazz
>composed his own classical music
>thought hippies were bourgeoise idiots who had no revolutionary potential
>pessimist about marxist revolutionary prospects
>thought pop culture was a tool to control the populace in order to sell products and reinforce the capitalist system

was he really that bad? seems pretty based

Adorno is closer to reactionary thought than many people give him credit for and to skip over him because he's been associated with the bogeyman of "Cultural Marxism" (a term made up by people who haven't actually read Marx) is a great loss. Anyone who quickly dismisses "The Culture Industry," Aesthetic Theory, Prisms, Notes to Literature or The Philosophy of New Music are depriving themselves the richest (and, indeed, most satisfyingly elitist) writings on Western art after Ruskin. Even through the dense prose his awe and love of Mozart, Goethe and, particularly, Beethoven can be felt.

Adorno, at every step in his career, lamented and deeply criticized the use of music and film as methods of controlling individuals, which is what he derisively dubbed the "culture industry" -- this is what he saw jazz and Hollywood as doing as much as Stalin did, and he disliked both for it equally. It was a vulgarization of individual experience, which reaches its highest point in, e.g., a Beethoven symphony, where every moment is determined by internal and "tragic" necessity which is, by that very token, the realization of true freedom; by contrast the verse-chorus-verse of a pop song is a forced abstraction into which structurally meaningless differences are plugged in, it is "shallow" and is a betrayal of Western art and bourgeois individuality. Adorno also vigorously resisted any politicized art at all (like protest songs), which he saw as equally vulgar. That he should be interested in shaping or controlling public opinion is absurd. He was an aesthete, pessimist and a quietist.

Adorno, particularly in his writings on art, was as far from a "Cultural Marxist" as one can imagine -- he was rather the last intellectually serious defender of bourgeois/Western high art against all forms of cultural decay (popular music, film, etc.). That the academic left regularly dismisses him as an elitist should be proof that he's worth looking into. Not to mention, the influence of Spengler on Adorno runs deep -- he's probably his third most frequent citation, behind Hegel and Marx. (A strong case could be made for Adorno as being a strikingly conservative Hegelian backlash against vulgar Marxism.)

[Anonymous No.17277351]

>>17277312
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how he got his name.

[Anonymous No.17277380]

>>17277346
>was he really that bad?
Yes because he was a hypocrite. See: >>17277189
He's nothing more than a LARPer

[Anonymous No.17277430]

>>17277380
"broo if you don't like the government why do u pay ur taxes XDDDD broo if you don't like capitalism and property why do u own ur own car and shoes lmao bro just live in a tent XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD haha bro u don't like LABOR??? then why do u work to make ur own FOOD HAHAHAAHAHAHAH XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD"

[Anonymous No.17277440]

>>17277430
Don't criticize media and entertainment then go ahead and fucking consume it anyways. It's that easy.

[Anonymous No.17277450]

>>17277430
He had perfectly ample access to the art he so praised and yet he seemed to prefer to watch the garbage he criticized so much
He wasn't forced to watch the shit like he was forced to live in society

[Anonymous No.17277472]

>>17277346
He was a really shit critic too
He attributes the decline of art to capitalism and so called "commodification"
Capitalism had existed for plenty of centuries and yet all the art he loved seemed to develop in times of capitalism
The "cultural industry" conveniently spreads like wildfire when the ideas he so cherished began to dominate the education systems and bureaucracies of Europe

[Anonymous No.17277476]

>>17277430
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.17277494]

>>17277440
>>17277450
>>17277476
>>17277450
>>17277440
>he watches a TV show therefore he didn't spend all that time reading and studying classical music
He read the completes work of proust baudelaire flaubert verlaine rimbaud mallarme and paul valery, knew every beethoven symphony sonata and string quartet like the back of his hand, knew Mahler and Bruckner's works down to the finest detail, understood the intricate details of Webern's compositions and knew the entire history of German and italian opera and you jealous seething philistines "call him out" because he watches a TV show with his gf.
one needs to actually subject themselves to the horror of contemporary "art" and television to develop the intricate criticism of art and culture that Adorno devised.
Brainlet rage, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.17277522]

>>17277472
>He attributes the decline of art to capitalism and so called "commodification"
Nope, this is a massive over-simplifictation you're retarded, read the essay faggot. Adorno specifically states that art has always been a comodity, but ironically under late capitalism art became "unsaleable", and so took on a very unique character where the "use value" of art that existed in early capitalism and liberal europe was replaced merely with an exchange-value. So in that sense it is not a commodity like the other commodities
also
>Capitalism had existed for plenty of centuries and yet all the art he loved seemed to develop in times of capitalism
lol, why did i waste my time replying to you, you haven't even read Marx.

[Anonymous No.17277524]

>>17277494
>He read the completes work of proust baudelaire flaubert verlaine rimbaud mallarme and paul valery, knew every beethoven symphony sonata and string quartet like the back of his hand, knew Mahler and Bruckner's works down to the finest detail, understood the intricate details of Webern's compositions and knew the entire history of German and italian opera and you jealous seething philistines "call him out" because he watches a TV show with his gf.
Unironically yes. It's not an excuse.

[Anonymous No.17277531]

>>17277524
lol.

[Anonymous No.17277542]

>>17277531
If Adorno watched TV then why shouldn't I? It ultimately destroys his argument.

[Anonymous No.17277675]

>>17277270
Never forget Adorno's Last Performance aka The Breasts Attack
https://youtu.be/QDyC448swa4

[Anonymous No.17278242]

>>17277675
based

[Anonymous No.17278352]

>>17277285
No, because he had taste.

[Anonymous No.17278375]

>>17277270
>has a heart attach when some new lefty hippies start putting flowers on him and kissing him in the middle of a lecture
Lmao.

[Anonymous No.17278382]

>>17277472
>Capitalism had existed for plenty of centuries
But that's wrong you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.17278512]

>>17278375
Imagine not groping up all of them in front of the crowd and asserting your dominance forever. Could never follow the philosophy of such a man.

[Anonymous No.17278522]

>>17278375
>>17278512
man didnt have time for thots
he was too busy critiquing capital and the enlightenment

[Anonymous No.17278622]

>>17277675
The dude was sexually harassed :(

[Anonymous No.17278669]

>>17278512
>>17278522
He was a very conservative a person and was deeply insulted by the crossing of the student/lecturer divide, which he considered a strong and important one of authority.

Funnily enough.

[Anonymous No.17278715]

>>17277675
>mfw Adorno was sexually harassed by three radical feminists
can't make this shit up

[Anonymous No.17278756]

>>17278352
Post nose, retard.
>>17277522
Kys, schlomo.

Adorno threads belong to bunkerchan, not /lit/. Keep your Jewish subversions to yourselves.

[Anonymous No.17278774]

>>17277346
When you look like this and have unquenched narcissism, elitism is a good option.
He was am unmusical retard nevertheless

[Anonymous No.17278779]

>>17277494
>He has studied extensively on the harmfulness of drugs and actively persecutes them
>Why do you complain that he's a junkie
>Brainlet rage, fuck off

[Anonymous No.17278780]

>>17278756
Adorno was a writer and philosopher. This thread is appropriate for /lit/. It doesn't matter if you disagree with him or if he triggers you since you are anti-semitic.

[Anonymous No.17278846]

>>17278780
A pompous a elitist with no understanding of the aesthetics of the works he purportedly understood deeply
There's a difference between loving the classics and inspecting new works critically
And going
>Old good, new bad
Like Adorno did

[Anonymous No.17278847]

>>17278756
>gets called out for being an illiterate faggot
>NOOOO NOT THE JEWISH TRICKERINOS

[Anonymous No.17278856]

>>17278779
the realm of thought is to find nuance, to avoid comparing the incomparable by making apparent qualities that are hidden. if you think u can btfo philosophy by making trite comparisons and finding "logical incongruities" you are not well versed in thinking and should probably read some aristotle

[Anonymous No.17278870]

>>17278756
>Adorno threads belong to bunkerchan, not /lit/
lol would u prefer we discuss BASED Julius Evola and Storm of Steel?

[Anonymous No.17278878]

>>17278870
What's wrong with storm of steel?

[Anonymous No.17278888]

>>17278878
nothing really, it's just the go to /pol/tard novel.

[Anonymous No.17278925]

>>17278888
quads of truth

[Anonymous No.17278945]

>>17278925
>>17278888
but actually, without memeing Mein Kampf, which no one reads, isn't Siege the go to /pol/tard novel?

[Anonymous No.17279027]

>>17278756
>>>17278352
>Post nose, retard.
>>>17277522
>Kys, schlomo.
>Adorno threads belong to bunkerchan, not /lit/. Keep your Jewish subversions to yourselves.

[Anonymous No.17279068]

>>17278945
do people actually read Siege?