>All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.

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>All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 19:19:35 2021 No.17270595 >>17270572 Sure thing, moshe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 19:20:21 2021 No.17270601 >>17270572 >in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning. That is anathema to nationalism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 19:20:23 2021 No.17270602 we wuz fascists n sheeeit

>>	Sage Tue Jan 12 19:25:56 2021 No.17270621 >>17270572 One of the most pseudo writers ever, wrote two good books Also >heidegger

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 19:29:55 2021 No.17270648 who writes something like that unironically? its practically childish.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 19:36:56 2021 No.17270695 File: 967 KB, 1920x1080, 1610158621137.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17270572 >t. never read nazi writings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 19:39:42 2021 No.17270714 >>17270695 What absolute dreck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 19:41:24 2021 No.17270725 >>17270572 https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/hjhandbuch.htm

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 19:45:26 2021 No.17270755 File: 91 KB, 866x677, 1583004161160.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17270572 >big word = big brain

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 19:46:50 2021 No.17270764 File: 6 KB, 210x240, soyboy-2[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >"Hey! Nazi's are misunderstood. They're the good guys!"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 19:49:45 2021 No.17270780 File: 5 KB, 198x255, images[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this angers me. I am enraged.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 19:52:42 2021 No.17270807 File: 45 KB, 590x300, laughter - mocking PREVIEW IMAGE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17270695 >There will come a day when all the lies will collapse under their own weight, and truth with triumph once again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 19:54:16 2021 No.17270824 >>17270572 True. You could say the same thing about any propagandizing writing, including much of what passes for American elite thought in the pages of the New York Times.

Anonymous Tue Jan 12 20:00:50 2021 No.17270876

>>17270572
I'd give this type of polemics more serious consideration if in all of world history there had been at least one liberal capable of any "complex and critical reasoning" at all, but alas, despite all their blustering they are all naive and pitiful creatures. In my experience, the top 5% of ultra leftists and ultra rightists are generally intelligent, but libs? Libs are universally braindead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 20:03:59 2021 No.17270894 >>17270695 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 21:36:51 2021 No.17271465 >>17270695 Thats pretty Cringe, Eco was right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 22:11:14 2021 No.17271691 >>17270572 It's true. Fascism is an anti intellectual and simplistic worldview. Fascists don't read, they go with gut feelings and visceral hate

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 23:44:56 2021 No.17272218 File: 186 KB, 1389x718, 45CACC2C-5D02-4765-9C2E-AB86418CA4EF.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17270695 Based, Goebbels was right about everything

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 23:46:31 2021 No.17272226 >>17270695 Case in point. Looks like Eco wins.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 23:47:26 2021 No.17272233 >>17270695 rubbish

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 23:49:30 2021 No.17272243 >>17271691 I sense that you think there is something the least bit wrong with this approach to life. Another "brave" academic who liked to shit on fascism once it was easy to do was Sloterdijk.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 12 23:58:49 2021 No.17272303 >>17270695 Correct sentiment, bad prose. Probably sounds better run german

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:01:59 2021 No.17272328 >>17270695 This sounds better in German. This translation is not so bad though, why is everyone making fun of it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:03:34 2021 No.17272337 >>17272328 Oh and also Goebbels is right.

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:17:17 2021 No.17272421

>>17272328
>>17272337
The problem isn't the prose. It's the immense seriousness of its tone. Goebbels believed what he was saying, he took his task seriously, and he expected his listeners to do so as well. Here's an FDR speech with a similar tone: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/froos1.asp
Read the last ten paragraphs, beginning with the following.
If I read the temper of our people correctly, we now realize as we have never realized before our interdependence on each other; that we can not merely take but we must give as well; that if we are to go forward, we must move as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline, because without such discipline no progress is made, no leadership becomes effective. We are, I know, ready and willing to submit our lives and property to such discipline, because it makes possible a leadership which aims at a larger good. This I propose to offer, pledging that the larger purposes will bind upon us all as a sacred obligation with a unity of duty hitherto evoked only in time of armed strife.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:18:20 2021 No.17272429 >>17271691 >anti intellectual Not an insult Most "intellectuals" such as university professors are the dumbest fucking people on earth. Your average construction worker is smarter despite having dramatically less education.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:19:51 2021 No.17272438 >>17272429 Explain what you mean. Why do you think that intellectuals are dumb?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:22:16 2021 No.17272451 >>17272429 sounds like butthurt right winger cope

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:23:52 2021 No.17272461 fascists will bend truth if it leads to racist ends

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:25:05 2021 No.17272471 >>17270695 Never has Eco been vindicated so succinctly

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:26:27 2021 No.17272482 >>17272421 What's wrong with it being very serious sounding? I mean, it's from April 1945, I don't think he was in his best spirits in those times.

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:28:37 2021 No.17272492

>>17272438
He's one of these "senile Tolstoy" turds who likes to romanticize laborers by somehow pretending the uneducated peasants are wiser than learned academics. It's really common among smug assholes who can't stand all the other smug assholes who are just like he is so "slums" it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:30:16 2021 No.17272504 >>17272429 --> >>17272451

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:30:31 2021 No.17272506 >>17272482 There is nothing wrong with it. We just happen to live in a time when people are not serious, people do not take anything seriously, and people react with revulsion whenever they hear expressions of seriousness.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:30:37 2021 No.17272507 >>17270572 so like leftists with their word policing

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:37:30 2021 No.17272534
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>>17270572
>"complex" ideas need complex words
Postmodernism was a mistake. The only thing making so-called "complex ideas" complex is obtuse, circuitous wording designed to obfuscate the author's own intellectual bankruptcy. Observe:

"I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all."

vs

"Objective consideration of contemporary phenomena compels the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account."

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 00:42:32 2021 No.17272552

>>17270572
So America was, has been, and is currently fascist? As evidenced by this thread, a repressed and impoverished vocabulary only leads posters to hurl baseless, low effort ad-hominems, and cycle around the juvenile and insultingly simple left-right, good-bad dichotomy. All critical reasoning in this thread, regardless of overt political orientation, has been abandoned. This is a problem with the entire board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 01:27:00 2021 No.17272749 >>17270572 I mean, he's right. Aryan means Iranian and somehow the Nazis tried to pervert it into some fantasy Germanic mythos.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:12:01 2021 No.17272941 >>17272749 Aryan is mainly used for a group of languages. But yeah you're right these braindead fucks do some serious WE WUZ'ing. Still they have the audacity to accuse other races of WE WUZ'ing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:28:15 2021 No.17272999 >>17272534 Extremely based

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:29:58 2021 No.17273007 >>17272328 >why is everyone making fun of it? It's a fucking Goebbels quote what do you think lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:37:35 2021 No.17273039 >>17273007 What's wrong with Goebbels?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:41:25 2021 No.17273052 >>17270695 derivative

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:43:02 2021 No.17273059 File: 796 KB, 1097x924, umberto-eco.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17270572 This Sephardi kike is pretty effay in my opinion.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:44:23 2021 No.17273061 >>17270572 >taught the world how to think From the sounds of it, he's telling us what to think.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:44:23 2021 No.17273062 File: 179 KB, 1200x1200, Eco.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17273059 Got Jewier over the years though, lol (They often do...)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:44:45 2021 No.17273064 Everyone knows that intelligent right-wingers aren't fascists anyway, they support monarchy and aristocracy instead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:46:36 2021 No.17273070 >>17270572 Is this true? Because that's exactly what modern American schoolbooks do. It's the reason I didn't discover literature until I was an adult.

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:49:45 2021 No.17273082

>>17270695
>do not let times of misfortune, [long ass fucking sentence, longer than the sentence it’s splitting in two so that you don’t even know what it meant in the first place and you have to go all the way back, read it, read the part after this, then put the two together, convincing you firmly that this was written by some spastic], turn you into a coward
Brilliant writing, heil Hitler

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:50:17 2021 No.17273087 >>17273070 who do you think influenced the Nazis

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:53:40 2021 No.17273105 >>17273082 First of all, its translated, so this quirk might be on part of the translator. Second, if you think that's hard to read, you should really work on your comprehension.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 02:56:46 2021 No.17273124 >>17273105 This isn’t just hard to read, this is formulated poorly to begin with. If you had to say this, you’d probably get very confused yourself. Oh well, if you people want that and cone across as the sperges you are, be my guest

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 03:02:33 2021 No.17273146

>>17270601
Explain the dumbing down of the modern curriculum by introducing modern feminists and coloured authors and rejecting everything thats old. Equally isnt pc narative designed to lower the total number of words used, in order to stop critical thinking?

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 03:56:35 2021 No.17273397

>>17270572
Education was far better during Franco's regime than now in Spain. The College's access test for humanities was translating Horace without dictionary. Even in politics, there was a care for wordling and rethoricism that now is absolutely lost.
https://youtu.be/VeLTgeyIdew

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 05:32:24 2021 No.17273730 >>17273082 >long ass fucking sentence Why do you yanks have to talk in such a cringey way?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 05:35:03 2021 No.17273738 >>17272749 No, it doesn't. Read more, research more. You don't have to be a Nazi, just not a retarded American

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 05:36:35 2021 No.17273746 >>17272941 >>17272749 Lol research the (proto) Indo-Europeans and their migrations if you want to understand the proper use of the word (Indo) Aryan

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 05:46:23 2021 No.17273795 >>17273062 >Trusting what a kike-lover has to say about a philosophical doctrine that almost necessarily despises Jewry shiggy diggy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 05:50:32 2021 No.17273820 >>17273082 Have you heard of the German language?

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 06:04:34 2021 No.17273887

>>17273795
Fuck me, Wikipedia Early life isn't going to work this time:
>Towards the end of his life, Eco came to believe that his family name was an acronym of ex caelis oblatus (from Latin: a gift from the heavens). As was the custom at the time, the name had been given to his grandfather (a foundling) by an official in city hall. In a 2011 interview, Eco explained that a friend happened to come across the acronym on a list of Jesuit acronyms in the Vatican Library, informing him of the likely origin of the name.
Have no idea why his grandpappy was a foundling though, is it possible he shares some interesting, hidden connections to some other people?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 06:08:37 2021 No.17273897 >>17270572 >fascists dumb >me smart There you go. I summed up his entire political philosophy and saved you some time

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 06:16:59 2021 No.17273930 >>17273897 Reductive and universal, name a worse duo

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 06:21:09 2021 No.17273955 File: 37 KB, 600x687, FFA8A533-B62B-4EEB-9F35-AAA56F32F40A.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17270572 >literally looks like a soi redditor Every single time They look exactly like you expect them to

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 06:27:08 2021 No.17273986

>>17270572
>All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning
Seems to me like he’s trying to justify the worst excesses of his own intellectual tradition. I still haven’t seen anyone successfully defend or justify the stylistic tendencies of continental philosophers. The only argument they ever seem to make is that it operates as a gatekeeping apparatus or allows for the its participants to to have a feeling of elitism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 06:29:47 2021 No.17273997 >>17270695 epic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 06:31:49 2021 No.17274006 >>17273955 You can't even separate reality from the internet, your opinion has no value

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 06:33:43 2021 No.17274013 >>17273955 any time some fag tries to argue for some faggy opinion, make sure to ask what they look like. ugly people are ill on the outside and it affects the inside

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 06:33:52 2021 No.17274015 >>17273887 Wouldn't be surprised. It seems there's always some connection.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 07:19:14 2021 No.17274207 >>17270572 Thank G*d liberal pedagogues enriched them

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 07:22:18 2021 No.17274223 >>17270695 this isnt a schoolbook

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 07:23:34 2021 No.17274232

>>17271691
Sure thing, fascist writers didn't read, fascist thinkers (Giovanni Gentile, Hugo Spirito, Mussolini himself, the nationalist syndicalists that preceded them) didn't think. For self proclaimed defenders of intellectualism it's painfully obvious how much you never bothered with actually engaging primary sources.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 07:24:05 2021 No.17274236 >>17274232 >fascist >thinkers

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 07:25:42 2021 No.17274243 >>17274236 >(You)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 07:27:14 2021 No.17274250 >>17270695 Strong pseud energy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 07:52:48 2021 No.17274361 >>17271691 Why not just say you're a communist and dislike them

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 08:52:49 2021 No.17274733 >>17272534 That any post-modern pseud can make that kind of piss from the poetic juice of Ecclesiastes, it does not follow that Nazi schoolbooks aren't even worse in their way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 10:19:04 2021 No.17275279 File: 86 KB, 736x710, eco-wife.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17273955 you too would join antifa if this was the gf you got assigned

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