/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17269940]

Imagine dressing up like this for a photo

[Anonymous No.17269949]

>>17269940
Fagner

[Anonymous No.17269953]

>>17269940
My favorite Jewish composer.

[Anonymous No.17269974]

>>17269940
Yeah imagine being proud of your heritage and art lol

[Anonymous No.17269985]

>>17269940
Maybe he was take on surprise? There are plenty photos of me dressed like a trash at parties or not: glad they did not have instagram in Germany :)

[Anonymous No.17269997]

>>17269940
Wagner was a cringelord. The reason he could get away with it unlike Nietszche is his masculine, attractive facial features, he could even get away with a fucking neckbeard. Face >>> everything. Take the lookismpill NOW.

[Anonymous No.17270078]

>>17269940
Parsifal is the greatest work of art ever created.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6v51tTn9cs

[Anonymous No.17270134]

>>17269997
>he could even get away with a fucking neckbeard.
All interesting people have interesting hair. Show me one great figure without interesting and unique hair.

[Anonymous No.17270163]

>>17270078
this is now a Wagner celebration thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biP4btagZgw

[Anonymous No.17270189]

>>17269940
To be fair, Wagner dressed like this all the time. He had a "ridiculous fancy for luxury" according to himself.

[Anonymous No.17270319]

>>17270134
Shostakovich

[Anonymous No.17270362]

>>17270163
Absolutely based. It's interesting how one can see the development of Wagner's use of mass vocal parts, from his very earliest work through to Tannhauser and Lohengrin and so on. The Tannhauser finale to act 2 I probably prefer to act 3.

https://youtu.be/9x1gR0RBsno?t=3715

LANDGRAVE
A fearful wrong has been committed.
With dissembling mask, the accursed
son of sin came crawling to us.
We cast you out from among us: with us
you may not tarry; our hearth is stained with shame
through you, and heaven itself looks threateningly
upon this roof, which has sheltered you too long already.
However, a way to deliverance from eternal damnation
stands open before you: rejecting you,
I point it out to you. Make use of it for your salvation!
Gathered together on my lands
is a great concourse of pilgrim penitents.
The older ones have gone on before already,
the younger are still resting in the valley.
Trifling though their transgressions be,
their hearts will give them no rest;
to still the devout distress of repentance
they are marching towards Rome for the feast of grace.

LANDGRAVE. SINGERS. KNIGHTS
You must go along with them on pilgrimage
to the city of clemency and grace,
in the dust there to fall prostrate
and atone for your sin!
Before him who pronounces the sentence
of God, cast yourself down;
but nevermore return,
if you do not receive his blessing! Though our anger has been forced to soften,
because an angel checked it,
this sword will despatch you,
if you linger in sin and disgrace!

ELISABETH
Let him journey to thee,
Thou God of clemency and grace!
Forgive him, who has fallen so low,

the guilt of his sin!
For him only will I pray,
may my life be prayer;
grant that he may see Thy light,
before he is lost in night!
In joyful trepidation,
let a sacrifice be dedicated to Thee!
Take, oh, take my life:
I no longer call it mine!

http://www.murashev.com/opera/Tannh%C3%A4user_libretto_English_German

[Anonymous No.17270370]

>>17270319
>great

[Anonymous No.17270371]

>>17270319
Overrated.

[Anonymous No.17270387]

>>17270370
>>17270371
He’s certainly better than most of his 20th century contemporaries. Name a better one besides Stravinsky.

[Anonymous No.17270393]

>>17270387
Strauss obviously

[Anonymous No.17270398]

>>17270387
Scriabin.

[Anonymous No.17270404]

>>17270319
neoclassicist hack just like Stravinsky and Prokofiev

[Anonymous No.17270405]

>>17270393
Not Prokofiev? I think we have a very different taste in music.

[Anonymous No.17270406]

>>17270362
>Hm, I guess I'll give this a go
>Listen for two minutes
>Press stop while wincing in pain
How can you listen to this strident, boisterous, heavy-handed, theatrical garbage.

[Anonymous No.17270410]

>>17269940
/fit/lit/fa/

[Anonymous No.17270420]

>>17270398
Scriabin is excellent, especially his fifth piano sonata. I can’t consider him contemporary with Shostakovich because Scriabin died in 1915 when he was 9 years old.

[Anonymous No.17270430]

>>17270405
I think there are several different anons talking here. I like Strauss, Rachmaninoff, Prokofiev, also Mahler. Don't care as much for Shostakovich.

[Anonymous No.17270446]

>>17270430
Have you given his first piano concerto a try? The last movement is spectacular IMO.

[Anonymous No.17270479]

>>17270405
I like Prokofiev, but every normie classical listener I've ever known loved and raved over Prokofiev.

[Anonymous No.17270484]

>>17270446
I'll give it a shot, thanks.
For something a little more impressionistic, I adore Ravel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A4Lxm3IpvY

[Anonymous No.17270485]

>>17270479
It’s because of Peter and the Wolf.

[Anonymous No.17270500]

>>17270484
That’s fantastic, thank you. I haven’t listened to many pieces by Ravel.

[Anonymous No.17270507]

>>17270406
Unironically filtered. It's like you missed the entire dramatic context of the piece.

[Anonymous No.17270525]

>>17270507
Music is the most abstract of arts. It should stand up on its own as pure sound, without the need for dramatic or narrative context. Those things are crutches for a lesser showman, such as Wagner.

[Anonymous No.17270533]

>>17270485
I think it's more because of the youtube recommended Isle of the Dead and his piano concertos. They always know those pieces.

Honestly I just don't think Prokofiev is good enough to rave over that much anyway. He's just a good composer.

[Anonymous No.17270534]

>>17270387
prokofiev

[Anonymous No.17270537]

>>17270525
holy based and absolute music pilled

[Anonymous No.17270543]

>>17270533
he's one of the greatest melodists there ever was

[Anonymous No.17270560]

>>17270525
This is the most dilettante understanding of Wagner possible. It's not just that you only know Wagner as a musician and think he shouldn't have been an opera composer like all the other normies, it's that you literally think his music is bad.

Maybe it's just the reading in English which is so much worse, but is at least saved when read with the German followed next to it. Go into the libretto link and read both the English and German and try again.

Otherwise I can only conclude you have a tin-ear and listened to Wagner bombastically yourself, and were unable to receive the subtlety in the music.

[Anonymous No.17270568]

>>17270543
>he's one of the greatest melodists there ever was
What!? I was exaggerating when I said he wasn't good enough to rave over, but I wouldn't call him one of the greatest melodists of all time.

Explain why you think this.

[Anonymous No.17270581]

>>17270537
>absolute music pilled
Literal retard tier split which neither Wagner or Brahms believed in, even though Wagner invented the term, and their followers, especially Brahms, rabidly fought over it.

[Anonymous No.17270587]

>>17270568
listen to any melody he wrote

[Anonymous No.17270591]

>>17270543
Mozart and Schubert would like to have a word with you.

[Anonymous No.17270594]

>>17270587
Give me an example of what you think best exemplifies it.

[Anonymous No.17270597]

>>17270537
t. Hanslick

[Anonymous No.17270609]

>>17270525
Wagner could make music that stands up on its own, look at his symphony or overtures

[Anonymous No.17270624]

>>17270525
keyed
>>17270560
locked

[Anonymous No.17270651]

>>17270624
stop pushing this retarded unfunny meme, it'll never catch on. back to discord with you, tranny

[Anonymous No.17270652]

>>17269997
A lawyer or doctor with his same face could not get away with it either. It’s the fact that he was a famous artist, musician, and composer. Nothing less than a 19th century equivalent of a rockstar.

[Anonymous No.17270669]

>>17270594
https://youtu.be/oMKP3gwRJHI?t=188
https://youtu.be/xXBmd_oQkmo?t=763
https://youtu.be/L1VRZN99eF8
https://youtu.be/SSihvfCV5a4

[Anonymous No.17270671]

>>17270591
i said one of the best
not THE best
no one can beat Schubert
I would also add Tchaikovsky

[Anonymous No.17270682]

>>17270669
timestamp didnt work for the 7th
go to 1:55

[Anonymous No.17270743]

>>17270591
based schubert(pbuh)poster

[Anonymous No.17270759]

>>17269949
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raimundo_Fagner

[Anonymous No.17270779]

>>17270669
>>17270682
Listening to that 7th, it kind of reminds me of a Tezuka comic.

[Anonymous No.17270801]

>>17270669
The violin concerto no.2 is quite lovely

[Anonymous No.17270909]

>>17270669
Listen to this. Perhaps people will change their mind about old Shosty.

https://youtu.be/KPzJg4lizLk

[Anonymous No.17270948]

>>17269940
Parsifal is one of the greatest works of art ever created.

It stands as equal to Faust or Hamlet.

[Anonymous No.17271335]

>when youre /mu/ especially /classical/ and you see /lit/ discussing music, especially classical music, especially the shits made by romantifaggots