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After reading The Secret History, I would like to read more novels in the same sort of style, often termed Dark Academia.

Can you rec some that isn't just YA garbage?

>> No.17261664

>>17261659
You're a faggot.

>> No.17261666

>>17261659
Harry Potter

>> No.17261678

>>17261659
Nothing written to emulate a specific aesthetic is anything other than garbage. If you really want to read books read Shakespeare or Henry James.

>> No.17261683

>>17261659
Dark academia is just another zoomer meme fotm. It's sad how alienated that accursed generation is from things of the past that once had any authenticity and meaning.

>>17261666
This.

>> No.17261687

>>17261659
Giles Goat-boy

>> No.17261693

>>17261659
If a book falls under the category "Dark Academia" it is most assuredly YA garbage.

>> No.17261836

>>17261659
Has anyone read The Goldfinch? Is it any good? Is it comparable?

>>17261666
>opinion discarded
>checked
>opinion reconsidered
Thanks, Satan.

>>17261678
I can understand the sentiment, but I guess I'm looking for a work that draws from the same well. I have some Henry James on the shelf untouched, but I'm not to drawn to it as of yet.

>>17261683
I have a Classics degree, so I got excited when the friendship was formed by discussing the Locative Case. I'm just looking for something that summons feelings of my university days and isn't just YA writers who LARP being literate.

>>17261693
Unfortunately, it seems that way.

>> No.17261851

>>17261659
unironically the Gossip Girl novels

>> No.17261872

>>17261659
The learned disguise by RC Waldun

>> No.17261913

ever heard of a book called infinite jest?

>> No.17261965

>>17261872
Intriguing, but the author wrote it in high school. Will do more research from his YT channel to see if I'll make the leap.

>>17261913
I think I read about it in a footnote.

>> No.17262033

>>17261965
I can attest for the quality of the learned disguise, basically synthesizes Bret Easton Ellis, Donna Tartt, DFW and Pynchon.

>> No.17262055

>>17261872
>>17261851

based

>> No.17262058

>>17261664
>implying being a dark academia gayboy is a bad thing

>> No.17262138

>>17261678
>I got excited when the friendship was formed by discussing the Locative Case
>isn't just YA writers who LARP being literate
Your definition of "not LARPing as being literate" is odd.

>> No.17262199

I don't see how this is any different than the prep aesthetic that's been around for a century.

>> No.17262225

>>17261664
fpbp

>> No.17262350

>>17261872
>>17262033
Either one of you is Waldun, or it might something worth checking into.

>>17262138
I wasn't trying to define it, per se. Tartt clearly has a good head on her shoulders, whereas others who play around with the aesthetic enjoy the pretension without the work to understand it.

>>17262199
Checked. Do you have prep aesthetic recommends then?

>> No.17262363

>>17261659
Bret Easton Ellis is similar because he and Tartt were college friends but it's not dark academia. Try The Rules of Attraction and Less Than Zero.

The Secret History is unique, it's basically the greatest YA novel ever written, the final boss of YA novels. Highly entertaining.

>> No.17262380

>>17261664
fpwp
Fuck you

>> No.17263912

>>17261659
Not a novel but John Berryman’s Dream Songs evoke dark academia.

>> No.17263923

>>17261659
I also browse aesthetics wiki

>> No.17263937

>>17261659
What the fuck is "dark academia"?? Do you mean "gothic"?

>> No.17263942

>>17261659
Victorian (late 1800s) novels are what you’re looking for. Read some Henry James.

>> No.17264010

>>17261836
>I have a Classics degree, so I got excited when the friendship was formed by discussing the Locative Case.
Based, you have earn a dark academia pass. However, I believe that The secret history is the only exemple of something more than teenagers larping in this domain.

>> No.17264048

>>17261659
Lucky Jim

>> No.17265605

>>17262363
I haven't read anything more than excerpts from Ellis. The Rules of Attraction seem a little depraved to me, but I may give it and Less Than Zero a shot.

>>17263912
I can see why you recommended them, but it's not quite my taste of poetry.

>>17263923
I stumbled upon it after reading about The Secret History. It would be a nice resource, if it wasn't so Tumblr-tier.

>>17263937
>>17263942
Sure. What are some good recommendations?

>>17264010
Shame. If I want to read something of a kind, I must write it first.

>>17264048
Looks good. Added to the list!

>> No.17265668

The Confusions of Young Torless is literally EXACTLY the book you are looking for OP.

>> No.17265676

>>17262363
>The Secret History
sounds just like lord of the flies

>> No.17265698

>>17261965
Ah, but RC Waldun is a literary prodigy. He is one of the greatest Australian writers of the twentyfirst century

>> No.17265779

>>17265698
only in case there's absolute no competition

>> No.17266025

>>17261659
obviously, Stoner

>> No.17266042

>>17261659
You and your buddies ought to be shot and hanged.

>> No.17266097

faggot

>> No.17266105

>>17261659
nabokov's real life of sebastian knight

>> No.17266199

>>17261659
Proust
Sebald
Bernhard
Late 19th c French satanic, dark writers
-huysman, baudelaire, lautreamont, etc
20th c eastern europeans
-krasznahorkai, nadas, schulz, gombrowicz, kis, selimovic, hrabal, etc
poets like anne carson, theresa hak kyng cha
any ancient greek more obscure than aristophanes
only peripheral modern philosophy, like hans blumenberg, bachelard, sloterdijk spheres trilogy etc
bourbaki texts on mathematics
walter benjamin
simone weil
french annales school historians
any 17th century french drama
economics - henry george, leon walras, polanyi
outdated work on mythology (including schelling but ignore all german idealism as its twitter-bro tier)
georg simmel
levi-strauss
zhuangzhi
frank stanford

>> No.17266264

>>17266199
>Sebald
This OP
Read the rings of saturn

>> No.17266275

>>17261666

yeah Harry Potter minus the magic i.e. the part that actually makes it enjoyable

>> No.17266288

>>17261659
Fuck off you /fa/ tourist. You are easily the worst kind of larger on this fucking website. Leave and never come back.

>> No.17266350

>>17266288
>getting mad at /fa/
not being /fa/ is anti-/lit/
might as well be fat

>> No.17266510

>>17266288
>/lit/ -> /fit/ -> /pol/ -> /lit/
>get called a /fa/ tourist
Why don't you get the fuck off my Zulu stick fighting forum?

>>17266025
Read it a year or two ago. Enjoyed it thoroughly, although I wouldn't pin it as 'dark academia'.

>>17265668
>>17266105
>>17266199
Will look into these a little later.

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17266522

>>17266510
>/pol/
>/fit/

>> No.17266561

Hello, fellow female, I recommend Demian by Hesse.

>> No.17266593

>>17266522
>not being /fit/
enjoy having your head smashed in, brainlet beta

>> No.17266650

>>17266593
your body is a decaying body. if you worship your bodily beauty then get ready for despair to hit on your face every morning in your late years. "enjoy" your peak bro when you are at it. but it won't last much longer. death is the greatest egalitarian.
Schopenhauer said that we when hit our peak decay picks up acceleration because we start moving downhill with nothing to look forward to but death.

>> No.17266718

>>17261659
Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition, followed by the entire Boehmian corpus.

>> No.17266738

>>17261664
fpbp

>>17261659
but "dark academia" IS ya garbage

>> No.17266752

>>17262380
chew shit and die ratfuck

>> No.17266830

Vicars' Close in Wells

>> No.17266855

I like the house in the bottom row.

That is all.

>> No.17266866

>>17261659
better this than nigger street wear I suppose

>> No.17266874

>>17262058
>trip
>is gay
Whoa...

>> No.17266885

All this time I thought "dark academia" was just /fa/ LARPing as intelligent scholars. Now it looks like it's just borderline Harry Potter cosplay.

>> No.17266943

>>17266650
The same is true with your cognitive abilities...

>> No.17267067

>>17266943
well most people don't even reach their intellectual peak. death and uncertainty is under the noses of most people who are interested in literary/artistic endeavours.
speaking from my experience, people who do workout as a serious hobby most of the times they are fucking pricks who inhabit a viscous type of self confidence. like they're free from the effects of entropy or some shit.

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17267139

>>17266522
>pic rel
It didn't have to be this way, anon.
I just wanted the education promised me by antiquity.

Also >>17266593

>>17266650
One can be /fit/ without the worship of one's body. We are incorporated and ought to achieve a form of excellence with that body. Plato was an Olympian.

Gaze upon Goethe's dead body:
>Frederick [Schiller] drew aside the sheet, and I was astonished at the divine magnificence of the limbs. The breast was powerful, broad, and arched; the arms and thighs were elegant, and of the most perfect shape; nowhere, on the whole body, was there a trace of either fat or of leanness and decay. A perfect man lay in great beauty before me; and the rapture the sight caused me made me forget for a moment that the immortal spirit had left such an abode. I laid my hand on his heart – there was a deep silence – and I turned away to give free vent to my suppressed tears.

>>17266561
lel.

>>17266718
I'll pass. I'll get to Hegel once I know my Kant inside and out.

>>17266830
Thanks!

>> No.17267152

Dude I fucking love Ancient Language with Outdated Grammar that No One will Ever Use Again!

>> No.17267182
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17267182

>Outdated Grammar

>> No.17267184

>>17267152
t. cultureless brainlet

>> No.17267207

>>17261659
David Lodge's Campus Trilogy

>> No.17267326

>>17267139
Thank you for acting exactly the way I expected.
Also stop believing in the words of a necrophile you sick fuck.

>> No.17267385

>>17267152
Is there anything the anglo fears more than non-atrophied case system?

>> No.17267487

>>17267207
Looks comfy, desu.

>>17267326
>not being a necrophile
Never going to make it.

>>17267385
Probably being corrected on their use of the subjunctive.

>> No.17267669

>>17266874
I'm not gay.

>> No.17267683

Stoner

>> No.17267701

>>17261659
These instagram 'aesthetics' are retarded and you should be embarrassed. You might like "Old School" by Tobias Wolff.

>> No.17267730

>>17267701
They're entertaining and give zoomers at least some semblance of subcultures away from mainstream drivel

>> No.17267757

>>17261659
Spend a month learning to read Beowulf in Old English.

>> No.17267795

>>17261659
The real Dark Academia is actual, professional academia, but you need to stake your livelihood on it to fully realize it:
https://www.johnskylar.com/post/107416685924/a-career-in-science-will-cost-you-your-firstborn

And that's for science, I let you imagine how bad it is for humanities.

That said, read Brideshead Revisited, it's the book The Secret History was modeled after, and it is what YA would look like if it were literary and didn't suck.

>> No.17267815

>>17267683
I've read it.

>>17267701
Haha, seems like a good one to tack on at the end of this reading spree.

>>17267757
Probably should. I've spent only a little time with Old English. Absolutely hyped about the Instrumental case, and any language with a Dual.

>> No.17267827

>>17267795
As much as I have previously felt called to a life of Academia, the era is not for me.

>> No.17267840

>>17267730
Social media "subcultures" are literally just branded ad campaign lifestyles, and they are absolutely mainstream.

>> No.17268401

>>17267067
So you're just accepting you're a physically weak, stupid and insecure little man?

Lmao, never did an attempt to appear intellectually superior go so wrong. DAYUM!

>> No.17268603

>>17267067
Most people don’t reach their physical peak either, or at least what they have the potential for. Sure, a lot of gym rats may be dumb, but that’s no reason to skip out on physical fitness, which is essentially an investment in your self and wellbeing and can also be enjoyable.

>> No.17269770

>>17261836
I read The Goldfinch after reading The Secret History expecting something comparable but I was terribly let down. They are not alike at all and The Goldfinch is much, much worse. Skip over it, or at least don't approach it expecting it to live up to The Secret History.

The only book I've read that I would classify as having a similar vibe to The Secret History is The Magus by John Fowles.

>> No.17269864

>>17261659
>>17269770
That's a real shame. I had only heard mildly good things from The Goldfinch until now. I trust your opinion more.

I'll add The Magus to the list.

Reflecting upon everything, I realized that two novels by Roberston Davies approach the subgenre:

- A Mixture of Frailties, which is the third of a trilogy, but the others are not necessary at all.
- The Rebel Angels, which is the first of a different trilogy, which lampoons the seriousness nature of a proper Liberal Arts College.

>> No.17269933

>>17267827
>As much as I have previously felt called to a life of Academia, the era is not for me.

I know the feeling. Academia and universities seemed so interesting and exciting. I love researching and learning, and would have liked to become a professor. But now the institutions seem cancerous and full of the worst people imaginable who are bent on propagating inanities and making everyone miserable.

>> No.17269976

>>17261872
HUH?
hehe g-good one, anon.

>> No.17270169

>>17269933
>be me at a Great Books Program
>Do everything from the ancient Egyptians to Postmodernists
>Get invited with several star students to review the curriculum and provide input
>Lefty female monopolizes time about trying to modify the curriculum to be more feminist
>"Plato shouldn't be taught, because he lived in an era when women didn't have rights."
>Professor nods with respectful dismissal
>Rest of the session continues with those most hostile to the canon and tradition speaking and trying to dismantle and criticize something they haven't begun to appreciate

>> No.17270388

>>17270169
The stupid ones are the most vocal, yes. They have no ability or knowledge, and so it is easier to tear things down than to build them up.