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[Anonymous No.17196584]

Red pill me on the Greek god Dionysus.

[Anonymous No.17196585]

>>17196584
Wine is based.

[Anonymous No.17196586]

>>17196584
nigga liked wine and fucking bitches, what else can i say

[Anonymous No.17196614]

>>17196584
He's probably some Eastern/Persian god adopted into the Greek Pantheon

[Anonymous No.17196617]

>>17196584
Is in fact Osiris and bise worship came from egypt according to herodotus.

[Anonymous No.17196619]

>>17196586
Wine, bitches and spiritual ascent - what is there not to love?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17196625]

A real dude, a revivalist of the pre-Hellenic age, but absorbed by it.

[Anonymous No.17196626]

>>17196614
For long people thought he was a newer god in the greek world, but there's evidence that he's quite old actually.

[Anonymous No.17196629]

Dionysus is the redpill. Dionysus' is the god of wine and ritual madness. Hoards of frenzied women followed him. He ran around in women's clothes and did odd drunken things that weirded the rest of the Olympians out. In Rome he was worshiped as Bacchus and as Dionysus with connection to early Christians and mithraics. Dionysus cult was among one of the first to be outlawed due to the chaos of their drunken ceremonies. Nietzsche wrote some extended philology on Dionysus and I believe that there may be some iconography sharing between dionysians and early christians such as the fascination with wine and tales of gatherings of roaming people. The dionysian mysteries is keyword to dig deeper.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17196632]

>>17196626
Having several names right?

[Anonymous No.17196638]

>>17196629
It's a statue of St. Longinus bro

[Anonymous No.17196642]

>>17196638
But where did the imagery come from?

[Anonymous No.17196649]

>>17196642
It's a renaissance depiction of a roman soldier bro. It has nothing to do with Dionysos.

[Anonymous No.17196665]

>>17196638
But what if St. Longinus IS Dionysus?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17196666]

>>17196638
Not anymore.

Dionysus had a beard. He’ll do.
His spear needs a little modification though

[Anonymous No.17196676]

>>17196649
Longinus was a pagan convert to Christianity who caused the wine blood of Jesus to flow.

[Anonymous No.17196707]

>>17196676
Yeah I know who he is and I catch your drift. I just think that it's the sort of fantaisist interpretation that you could make about any work of art.

[Anonymous No.17196764]

>>17196629
>Nietzsche wrote some extended philology on Dionysus
What's the title?

[Anonymous No.17196822]

>>17196586
femboys dont fuck
they get fucked

[Anonymous No.17196887]

>>17196822
that's disgusting

[Anonymous No.17196910]

>>17196617
well they did both get chopped up and reborn right?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17196914]

>>17196822
He wasn’t a femboy.

[Anonymous No.17196921]

>>17196764
Birth of Tragedy (and to some extent the rest of his philosophical output)

[Anonymous No.17196922]

>>17196764
Birth of Tragedy

[Anonymous No.17196926]

Dionysus = Dharmakaya. I had this revealed to me the other day while reading.

[Anonymous No.17196942]

>>17196584
>Greek
He wasn't. He was a crypto-Hebrew deity of debauchery from the Levant sent to subvert Hellenic civilization.

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYv0apRY No.17197018]

CUANDO DE APOLO EL FULGOR ADUSTA MERIDIANO,

GENIO DESECANDO SEVERO,

CREPUSCULAR DE BACO EL FRUTO MACERADO

INGENIO LUBRICA CHANCERO.

[Anonymous No.17197020]

>>17196584
>wow guys, literally me

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17197025]

>>17196942
>everyone in the east is a jew

[Anonymous No.17197050]

>>17197025
>she doesn't know about the Sino-Semitic origins of Taoism

[Anonymous No.17197074]

>>17197025
Imagine what you would know if you actually read the books you shitpost about.

[Anonymous No.17197117]

He's Phanes Protogonos.
He's Osiris and Horus, Atum Horakhty.
He's Zeus and not Zeus.
Sabazios.
Mithra.
Aion.
Zagreus, Iacchus, Bacchus, Adonis, Liber.
The foremost of Men, Olympians, and Titans.
Thrice-Born, Howling, Warlike, Pure, The Horned One. The first and the last. Father and Son of all the Gods. Divine Child.

[Anonymous No.17197162]

>>17196629
So he acted like a degenerate Med?
Do all of the "Retvrn To Tradition" asssholes want this?
I means if this is the case then by definition fags and noramalfags are way more "trad" in Greek tradition than tradcat larpers.

[Anonymous No.17197174]

>>17196584
Just read Dionysus: Myth and Cult, by Walter F. Otto

[Anonymous No.17197175]

>>17196942
t. Apollo

[Anonymous No.17197216]

>>17197162
There's not a single Greek tradition in this respect. Ionians are more fun-loving and "debauched" while Dorians are more stern. Also all Greeks tribes are Mediterranean by adoption if not by birth.

[Anonymous No.17197217]

>>17196942
>Eleusinian Mysteries present in Linear B Greek

[Anonymous No.17197222]

>>17196584
This guy was a real jerk

t. Pentheus

[Anonymous No.17197235]

>>17197216
Even by this standard they have no right to say that fags and degenerates are killing the western civilisation when degeneracy is in the roots of western spirit.

[Anonymous No.17197238]

>>17196666
they’re called penises, butterfly. You should be familiar
(checked)

[Anonymous No.17197274]

>>17197235
Slave morality is killing western civilization, not gays or degeneracy. Christianity took away its warrior spirit and replaced it with forgiveness, world-denial, and meekness. Protestants are more to blame for this than Catholics, but the religion as a whole is a catalyst for the inversion of life.

[Anonymous No.17197303]

>>17197274
Yes, Nietzschean critique for the lack of strength is spot on. But Christian bullshit of "Retvrn To Tradition" is totally dishonest and hypocritical.

[Anonymous No.17197861]

Dionysus = Jesus
Semele = Mary
Zeus = God
Wine = Blood

[Anonymous No.17197902]

if he offers to add festive fog to your cast, take it

[Anonymous No.17198203]

>>17196584
Always been fascinated by how powerful and otherworldly he feels when described in myth, both in the bacchae and in the metamorphoses.
he has this unknowable, mysterious and all dominating quality to him that the other Greek gods rarely have.
Zeus comes the closest being the raw, ungraspable embodiment of fate and power that he is, but even there Zeus feels distinctly more human in his thinking and doing than Dionysus

[Anonymous No.17198257]

>>17196584
wine is good, it makes you happy and fun, it also makes you violent and rapey. It is part of a cycle of growing, fermenting, aging, and drinking, a cycle of transmutation and repetition. Wine is the product of civilisation, but it can make men and women wild and barbaric. He is a God of extremes of emotion and the changes from one to the other, and the extremes of civilisation and barbaric debauchery. Its possible that the wine itself is partly a metaphor more broadly for the contradictory nature of man and society, or that the wine was where it starts and the other ideas like the madness and destruction build up around it.

He was probably the evolution of a very old tradition from around the eastern Mediterranean, and im under the impression that certain cults believed that he had died for the sake of humanity and they drank wine in honour of his death, but I havent really looked in to verifying that.

[Anonymous No.17198326]

>>17196626
>>17196614
He's attested in Linear A by the Mycenaeans, so he's actually older than Greece as we know it. What his role in Mycenaean religion is, however, other than being the son of Zeus, is uncertain (he may have been a wine and parties God, he may not have).

>>17196676
No, he was not.

>>17197235
Homosexuality was a grave crime punishable by death in Greece and Rome. The exception being the later period when decadent aristocrats decide to abandon morality and law in favor of using Democracy as a tool to engage in mercantile excesses (Plato is one of these types, and his entire body of work and position in life comes from being a decadent aristocrat unable to engage in mercantile excess, unlike his peers). It isn't until the Romans start importing Greek (which means Achaean, which means Athenian) cultural and literary ideas that we see this sort of thing show up in Rome (which, while a Jewish Psychologist would certainly find homoerotic, still punished homosexuality as being an unmanly crime). It's very telling that Sulla, who was lambasted and derided (privately) by all of Rome for wickedly retiring to his stately villa with his wife and boitoi twink sexslave, was neck deep in the imported Greek theater scene. He was a huge patron of the Greek (AKA Athenian) theater, much to the chagrin of many around him. Metrobius, the aformentioned boipucci that Sulla retired to fuck, was, wait for it... Athenian. And Metrobius was, according to Plutarch, an actor of a particularly Athenian sort: a man who played women's roles. The Romans, meanwhile, seemingly had no problem with women playing women in theatrical performances.

Many of the critics of Sulla are also tapping into a latent anti-Hellenism (by Sullas day totally defeated). While the Greeks were far above the Romans in theater, song, poetry, writing, the Romans did have their own native poetic traditions. Greek Hexameter, of Homer, totally dominated Rome, but the Romans originally used "Saturnian Meter", which apparently was very complicated and "jerky" (whatever the fuck that means). None of it survives in any coherent corpus for us to study.

Having fun is trad, yes. Being an austere loser flagellating yourself has always been an incredibly niche lot in life, even in the Christian period. Being part of a community that engages in activity for its mutual benefit is trad, yes. Being a loner reading the Bible and hating yourself has always been a niche lot in life, even in the Christian period.

[Anonymous No.17198333]

>>17196584
The original Dionysian cults provided people with experience of the transcendent by inducing new and novel states of consciousness through a process of exhaustion - the frenzied use of dance, alcohol, movement and energy provided a clear break from normal life and opened the way up for spiritual experience. Later, non-Greek forms were highly degenerated, however.
>>17196625
Get out of this board, you vile disgusting creature.
>>17196926
Explain.
>>17197235
Shut up pseud.
>>17197274
Shut up pseud.
>>17198203
Zeus, Apollo and Dionysus are the most important Greek gods to know, imo. Dionysus probably stands out the most though, since he is a symbol for what is perhaps most alien to people today.

[Anonymous No.17198348]

>>17198326
>(Plato is one of these types, and his entire body of work and position in life comes from being a decadent aristocrat unable to engage in mercantile excess, unlike his peers).
You have made a mistake and should reevaluate, anon. A lot of the rest of the stuff you say is great which is exactly why it is so sad that you seem to be biased against Plato. Plato and ideas derived from Plato are essentially united to the position you seem to hold.

[Anonymous No.17198384]

>>17196586
don't quote me on that but I remember reading that he was impotent due to too much wine. granted, I read this in some renaissance era novel or something, so it may have come from medieval chrisitan propaganda against vice

[Anonymous No.17198401]

>>17198348
Oh, I'm not trying to deride Plato here. Rather, I'm pointing out that Plato is part of this class of decadent aristocrats using democracy to party and engage in mercantile adventures, but is different from his peers. Perhaps he wrote all of his philosophy as SEETHE COPE because he couldn't engage in mercantile excesses; alternatively, perhaps he wrote it because he saw the excesses of his station, that he could not engage in, and it was precisely because he could not engage in them that he was able to see the folly and pointlessness of them. Imagine what Alcibiades could do if he wasn't always partying, for example. Imagine what Athens could do if it could wrangle all of the Alcibiadeses and put them to a good, coherent use instead of having them bicker and backstab. Imagine what Athens could create if it could wrangle all of these actors and dramatists and poets and put them to good use instead of letting them just do their own thing.

But the very fact that he's humoring those ideas instead of just taking the Dorian line of "fuck 'em" is telling. The Spartans used Alcibiades as a pawn, but they didn't let him engage in the shenanigans he was wont to in Sparta (presumably, the Persians acted similarly). Plato is colored by his station as all men are.

[Anonymous No.17198416]

>>17198401
Why do you have a negative opinion of Plato? What about his ideas do you find disagreeable?

[Anonymous No.17198442]

>>17198203
>even there Zeus feels distinctly more human in his thinking and doing than Dionysus
Interesting. Would you say he comes to embody the animal, bestial side of man, or is there further meaning or nuance to his figure?
Particularly the spiritual aspect of it is strange, with its emphasis on intoxicated, ecstatic, unconscious abandonment.
For this reason it seems today's culture is in fact more in line with his spirit rather than alien >>17198333 What do you think?

[Anonymous No.17198506]

>>17198442
I am the second anon. The complex part of your question is that Dionysus embodies whatever you decide he embodies. It would certainly be possible for him to embody a degenerated, animalistic and bestial aspect of man - those are the more defective forms of Dionysian worship I was referring to. Ideally, however, the Dionysian mysteries should lead to the opposite - a spiritual, rather than animalistic experience. You have to keep in mind that all of these transgressive and intoxicated celebrations occur in sacred context. The aim is for the alcohol and motion to "wash away" the normal, profane way of thinking. If you are dealing with bad human material, this will lead to a lower, bestial state, since there is nothing else left, but the original intention was instead to glimpse a state in which you go beyond instinct and arrive at spiritual freedom; you go "beyond mortal concerns", so to speak.
In this regard, modern civilisation is completely different, even with all its drugs and alcohol and intoxication, since all of these lead at best to a state of stupor or the dominance of instinct. Modern intoxication functions like anaesthetic rather than a source of spiritual liberty.

[Anonymous No.17198685]

>>17198506
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
>You have to keep in mind that all of these transgressive and intoxicated celebrations occur in sacred context.
What do you mean by sacred context? What would be a sacred Dionysiac context, as opposed to profane?
>but the original intention was instead to glimpse a state in which you go beyond instinct and arrive at spiritual freedom; you go "beyond mortal concerns", so to speak.
I don't quite understand how this "spiritual experience" of "letting go" could lead to any good. I'm sure it feels amazing in the heat of the moment, but then you're back in this harsh, cruel world dealing with the realities of scarcity and competition for resources.
Is it somehow similar to the Buddhist notion of letting go of the desire for these resources?

[Anonymous No.17198718]

>>17196584
I remember he promised to fuck a dude, but the dude died, so he got a dildo and fucking it on top of the guy's grave. He also hung out with bitches that ate blood, so, overall, a pretty cool guy, I'd say.

[Anonymous No.17198791]

>>17198685
>What do you mean by sacred context? What would be a sacred Dionysiac context, as opposed to profane?
The mindset you approach intoxication with changes depending on if you are just going to get wasted at the pub with your buddies or if you are attending a cult orgy with the desire to venerate your patron god.
>I don't quite understand how this "spiritual experience" of "letting go" could lead to any good.
The only way to understand is to experience it.
>I'm sure it feels amazing in the heat of the moment, but then you're back in this harsh, cruel world dealing with the realities of scarcity and competition for resources.
The point of the experience is to make you realise that the there is more to existence than scarcity and competition for resources. If you transcend the human condition, even for a moment, you will be less inclined to feel caught up in human troubles.
>Is it somehow similar to the Buddhist notion of letting go of the desire for these resources?
No, the Dionysian methodology follows the opposite path - rather than detachment, excess. Buddhism rejects the material world as an illusion, whereas Dionysism becomes drunk on the energy of the world. Both lead to a surpassing of normal consciousness.

[Anonymous No.17198881]

>>17198791
>No, the Dionysian methodology follows the opposite path - rather than detachment, excess. Buddhism rejects the material world as an illusion, whereas Dionysism becomes drunk on the energy of the world.
Sorry but this seems contradictory at best, hypocritical at worst. Excess inherently requires resources and human labour to sustain it, which in turn leads to competition for these.

[Anonymous No.17198895]

>>17198881
>Sorry but this seems contradictory at best, hypocritical at worst. Excess inherently requires resources and human labour to sustain it, which in turn leads to competition for these.
I don't know if you are the same anon, but this is completely besides the point. We are not even talking about material excess here, but excess of energy and intoxication, a certain quality of supernatural "drunkenness".

[Anonymous No.17198917]

>>17196584
Today, I will remind them (Nietzschefags): his cult was very popular with commoners. That is, people of non-noble blood.

[Anonymous No.17198919]

>>17198416
I don't think anything I've said belies a negative opinion on Plato, and truth be told I don't think I have a negative opinion of Plato as a person. His desires to reform decadent Athens and to harness its power and energy (that it is wasting on worthless things) is admirable. It's very easy to say that everything must be black and white, and that you either have to accept something or hate it and want to destroy it, but this very much rejects the possibility for compassion. To say that Alcibiades is a bad man for going to orgies and such and that you should shun him for it is cruel, precisely because you steal from Alcibiades the possibility of living better if you were to take him aside and show him the right way.

In this sense, I'd say that Plato getting "into the muck" of Athens is a supremely compassionate act. There's nothing negative about this, it's very positive. It would be so easy to just wash your hands of such a scenario and say "not my problem, they can get fucked". Plato doesn't do that.

I disagree with the metaphysical ideas he postulates, but that's really a secondary point to Plato himself. When we step back and look at what Plato was doing, what he was really doing, ignoring the minutiae, I think Plato is very admirable, and I'm glad that we in the West have him to look back on.

[Anonymous No.17198928]

>>17196584
He was a Chad who liked orgies

[Anonymous No.17198939]

>>17198919
Ah, I see. I must have gotten the wrong impression.
>I disagree with the metaphysical ideas he postulates
This is unfortunate though.

[Anonymous No.17198943]

>>17198895
>excess of energy and intoxication, a certain quality of supernatural "drunkenness".
Which is achieved through substances and sex, right? The former being a material resource and the latter a human resource.

[Anonymous No.17198992]

>>17198943
Anon, I want you to go to a nightclub and ask a qt girl if she'd like to trade her human resources with you for your material resource (alcohol). Maybe even sign a contract on it? The bartender could act as a guarantor.

[Anonymous No.17199004]

>>17196584
Don't worry anon, just gobble more pills.

[Anonymous No.17199061]

>>17198992
You are then already competing in the sexual marketplace, which in turn requires you to compete for material resources.
Just saying this Dionysian approach seems a little hypocritical. Either you play the game of this material system or you go for the temperance and ascetism route.
Seems to me that if you want the supernatural drunkenness you must choose the former route. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.17199109]

>>17199061
Anon I don't know how to correct you because what you are saying seems completely incoherent. We're not at a New York Mall. We are not talking about "material resources" or "market competition". I am describing to you one of the traditional methodologies for knowing the supernatural. The Dionysian cults induce mystical ecstasy through the use of intoxication in sacred contexts. It's that simple.

[Anonymous No.17199118]

>>17196822
that's hot

[Anonymous No.17199138]

>>17197235
>they have no right to say that fags and degenerates are killing the western civilisation when degeneracy is in the roots of western spirit.
That's because it takes like 5 minutes of thinking to realize this, something they are quite literally incapable of doing; they are nothing but sponges of propaganda, complete and utter brainlets.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17199139]

>>17197074
And which book did I claim to read that claims Dionysus was from the Levant?
I am under the impression that the attributes of the deity was from several areas. There’s nothing Hebrew about him, but I imagine the man came from Anatolia anyway
https://youtu.be/YPKhOyM1gZ8

>>17197238
Pinecone tipped staff

[Anonymous No.17199164]

>>17199138

[Anonymous No.17199219]

>>17199109
>The Dionysian cults induce mystical ecstasy through the use of intoxication in sacred contexts. It's that simple
Surely the preparation of such lavish intoxicating sacred orgies required plenty of resources and human labor even in antiquity.
It is no spiritual freedom, but merely a sentimental illusion of it, dependent on intoxication which is temporal. This is the impression I get.

[Anonymous No.17199257]

>>17199219
I am surprised that this is what you have decided to take away from this conversation, but it's not like I can stop you. I think you've completely missed the point.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17199412]

>>17199139
Meant to post this of course
https://youtu.be/1YsC32xLnkY
*sigh*

[Anonymous No.17199466]

>>17198442
im the first anon, i mostly agree with what >>17198506 is saying, who i assume is using Nietzsche's reading of Dionysus. id definitely say it is not animalistic. maybe 'mad', 'unknowing' or 'chaotic' are the better terms. he is incredibly unpredictable, and refuses to take on a clear identity or motive, while at the same time seemingly doing everything with ease.

if you wanna put an analysis of modern society on it id say that that sense of the 'Dionysian' as 'beyond reason' is something that came into western culture with the introduction of romanticism after the perceived failure of the enlightenment project. stuff like Goethe, Nietzsche and Kierkegaard are good examples of this. This seems distinctly more spiritual, and less graspable than the clear-cut reason of the enlightenment.
the modern landscape has this weird split in it where half is modern science/analytic philosophy guided by re-introduced Kantian enlightenment thought (i suppose you can associate with Apollo), while the other half is literature and philosophy mostly stuck in post-modern/post-structural transcendental thought (you could associate with Dionysus).

[Anonymous No.17199500]

>>17199466
>who i assume is using Nietzsche's reading of Dionysus
I am referring to Evola's views on Dionysus, rather.

[Anonymous No.17199528]

>>17196914
When you're drunk and horny, a hole is a hole.

[Anonymous No.17200929]

>>17198326
>He's attested in Linear A by the Mycenaeans, so he's actually older than Greece as we know it. What his role in Mycenaean religion is, however, other than being the son of Zeus, is uncertain (he may have been a wine and parties God, he may not have).
>>17196626 here, remembered something like that, just couldn't remember the exact details. But because he mythically comes from the east historians/scientists of the past has thought that he was adopted

[Anonymous No.17200984]

>>17198919
Which metaphysical ideas do you agree with?

[Anonymous No.17201106]

>>17197018
I don't think this guy is old enough to be on this board desu...

[Anonymous No.17201304]

>>17196584
Dionysian Mysteries are for plebs, the Eleusinian Mysteries were the real deal

[Anonymous No.17201384]

>>17197861

[Anonymous No.17201491]

>>17196926
>>17198333
Dionysus mythos is a anthrocentric retelling of cosmic process, like the transference of divine warfare in the Timaeus to Atlantis and Athens away from the Olympians. Titanic dismemberment of the cosmic body of Dionysus creates humanity but Dionysus is born again, just as all reality effluviates from the great void-self of Vairocana Buddha and is capable of dwelling in.

[Anonymous No.17201520]

>>17196585
Only if it's non-alcoholic.

[Anonymous No.17201551]

They ate human flesh at his Cult of Dionysus parties....

[Anonymous No.17201589]

>>17201551
While celebrating Dionysus, Greeks got drugged, drunk, orgied, and ate that virgin boy they raped.
That's why Jesus inverted it with non-alcoholic wine, and they ate bread to be Jesus's body. Jesus was correcting the evil past.
Bread is the body torn apart.
Jesus was commemorating the boys.

Greeks are genetically non-White by the way, if you're wondering why they're so savage. Their entire culture, everything from mythology to architectural columns, comes from Hindu trash. It sucked in Ancient Greece too. The people who made it cool and artsy later are the Western Europeans in the Renaissance through 1800s.

[Anonymous No.17201665]

>>17201304
>Eleusinian Mysteries
People don't understand how disgusting and savage the Greeks were until they learn about this.


You should also realize how sick the myths were. Western Europeans turned barbarism into beauty by depicting history as beautiful in paintings. Some people are so naive to think the myths are like that. Orpheus was one of the dismembered.

Orpheus was ripped to shreds for not honoring Dionysus.

[Anonymous No.17201685]

>>17198928
based Hades enjoyer

[Anonymous No.17201759]

>>17201665
Another sick myth, the rape of Europa. Sure, make it all pretty in 1700s French paintings, but it symbolizes the Greeks coming to Europe. They are not native to Europe. They are native to the Middle East and they came here a long time ago. People in the myths represent areas of land, Europa being the coast of Southeastern Europe. Zeus, being the god of Greeks thus representing them, crossed the ocean with Europa to rape her. The rape of Europe. Greeks think they own the continent.

Don't you think it's a little suspiciuous how glowingly we learn aboout Greeks in school? When we all know the writers of textbooks hate White people, they speak of Greeks as beautiful, artistic, flowery, gentle, serene. The rest of Europe is cold, dark, and sickly. Greece is pink and gold and white and green. Kind of strange how the people who hate us will talk so praisingly about "White" people... or not. They're mocking us with all this "Ancient Greece was great" crap.

[Anonymous No.17202087]

>>17201491
Interesting take. Thanks.
>>17201551
>>17201589
Take your meds, schizo.
>>17201665
>>17201759
Take your meds, schizo.

[Anonymous No.17202632]

>>17199219
You are completely missing the point. Would you call a Buddhist a hypocrite for wearing material clothes and living in a material house? The context of a ritual is not relevant at all. Of course a party has to be physically arranged for it to fucking happen. Its about the transient bliss of the moment. A party animal isn't a hypocrite if he still goes to work in the morning.

[Anonymous No.17202894]

>>17196629
>Hoards of frenzied women followed him. He ran around in women's clothes and did odd drunken things
This is wholly the same as the average club fag in the western world. So either Dionysus has no more value than a literal alcoholic faggot cumbucket that stalks the nights of any major city in the world, or being said faggot is the real path to transcendence

[Anonymous No.17202909]

>>17197018

[Anonymous No.17203044]

>>17198442
Dionysus doesn't embody a "side." Have you never been completely drunk before or witnessed an extremely drunk merry-making person? In such a state, lines become blurred, especially the ones that are created psychologically. Instead, Dionysus represents the total annihilation of all sides, and their conversion into the consumption of a single elixir. That's what the orgies are meant to represent, artistically speaking: all bodily fluids are flowing together as one, all distinct bodies are mangled together as one, pleasure and pain are infused with each other into one.

[Anonymous No.17203063]

>>17201665
>>17201759
go watch murdoch murdoch videos little freak

[Anonymous No.17203621]

>>17203063
I hate that stupid simp show. It's not funny.

[Anonymous No.17203634]

>>17202087
I'm AGAINST this, by the way. I don't support their satanic cults. I'm not tolerating it so I don't need meds.

[Anonymous No.17203743]

>>17202087
Everyone in this thread:
>yeah yeah Dionysus had orgies and drugs and crazy parties they were really rabid lol
Someone else:
>yes they did do that
You
>nooo not like that you're wrong take your meds

[Anonymous No.17203806]

>>17199257
>>17202632
these anons understand; transcendence.

[Anonymous No.17203934]

>>17202632
>A party animal isn't a hypocrite if he still goes to work in the morning.
A party animal isn't ascribing a spiritual transcendence to it.
>Its about the transient bliss of the moment.
Sure it feels blissful in the moment, but then life goes on with its sufferings, hardships, injustices, competition for resources, and general irrational bullshit that arises from the human passions. I simply don't see how a sacred orgy every now and then provides a solution to the more pressing issues of the human condition other than a fleeting escape from it.

[Anonymous No.17203966]

>>17202632
>Would you call a Buddhist a hypocrite for wearing material clothes and living in a material house?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.17203995]

>>17203743
because saying he was the party-god isn't really what he was; most of the orgiastic parties ended up with ritualistic possession. the possessions sound more like something out of protestant sects speaking in tongues instead of frat parties.

[Anonymous No.17204026]

>>17197274
>>17197303
you two would only have a point if Christianity didn't have 2,000 years of history to look back on.

[Anonymous No.17205777]

>>17196632
I saw this play at an outdoor ampitheatre. Was fun

[Anonymous No.17205852]

>>17196584
Wish those twink statues had bigger cocks, hung twinks are patrician

[Anonymous No.17205855]

>>17204026
The very fact that it’s history does not extend beyond written record shows how truly brief a “tradition” it is

[Anonymous No.17205876]

>>17196584
He cute

[Anonymous No.17205883]

Reincarnated as Jim Morrison. What more can I say.

[Anonymous No.17205888]

>>17196584
One thing for certain
Jesus' obsession of Wine and its ritualistic use definitely came from Dionysus

[Anonymous No.17207069]

>>17203634
>>17203743
You are dumb and cringe.
>>17203934
>the more pressing issues
Well there you go. You take suffering, hardship, injustice and other gay bullshit as your frame of reference for the human condition, whereas the Dionysian cults take the transcendental frenzy of sacred celebration as their frame of reference.
>>17203966
based retard
>>17205855
>"tradition is when you write and the more you write the more traditional it is"
ok pseud
>t. not a Christian

[Anonymous No.17207098]

>>17198506
What is this based on? Is there anything written about Dionysian mysteries?

[Anonymous No.17207120]

>>17207098
I am basing this on Evola's analysis, as I mentioned earlier, though there is no one work where he examines Dionysus. IIRC some of these bits I got from Ride the Tiger, others from his essays - I think the Bow and the Club compilation - and others still from other writings. Evola is a member of the Traditionalist school and I have found that he has a very interesting approach to the various methods by which the ancients used to grasp at the transcendent.