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[Anonymous No.17151972]

What's the difference between Gnosticism, Hermeticism, and Neoplatonism?

[Anonymous No.17151976]

I have no idea but i do know that your mom is gay

[Anonymous No.17152000]

>>17151972
They were all refuted by Nietzsche (pbuh)

[Anonymous No.17152066]

>>17151976
How the FUCK did you know that?

[Anonymous No.17152096]

>>17151972
gnosticism
>demiurge bad
neoplatinism
>demiurge good
hermeticism
>dude weed lmao

[Anonymous No.17152104]

>>17151976
Based gnostic clairvoyance anon

[Anonymous No.17152126]

>>17152096
Pretty much this but for hermeticism it's however you'd say that in Egyptian. Of course, the Neoplantonists maintain that Plato was initiated by Egyptian priests so that traces back to Egypt too. Which leaves gnosticism, of Persian/Manichaean influence. So the real question here is whether you side with Egyptian or Persian theology.

[Anonymous No.17152152]

The gnostics were whiny schizoids and the neoplatonists were well adjusted intellectuals.

[Anonymous No.17152550]

Only one of them Jimmy Page thought was based and galaxypilled.

[Anonymous No.17153513]

>>17151972
Neoplatonism works with Christianity the others don't

[Anonymous No.17153520]

>>17151972
All are cringe but they have different names and property, read Shankara before filling your brain with mind poision

[Anonymous No.17153720]

>>17152126
Any books on this?

[Anonymous No.17153759]

>>17152096
It's more like:
gnosticism
>demiurge bad
neoplatinism
>demiurge good
hermeticism
>the demiurge was the monad the whole time bro

[Anonymous No.17153760]

>>17151972

The differences are vast chasms my lad.

[Anonymous No.17153761]

>>17152152
Schizophrenia is not a sign of insanity

[Anonymous No.17153821]

>>17153761
t. schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.17153897]

>>17153759
The last sounds the most based.
Probably best consumed together with Spinoza and a good dose of oxygen filtered through the process of meditation straight to the lung.

[Anonymous No.17154084]

>>17153759
Isn't the demiurge only part of the monads creation though? Something about how the builder is more than his creations

[Anonymous No.17154092]

>>17154084
but still has his nature reflected in his work

[Anonymous No.17154107]

>>17152152
Unironically this

[Anonymous No.17154143]

arr rook same

[Anonymous No.17154194]

>>17153761
Schizophrenia is a blank man; deterritolization of being.You are being silly.

[Anonymous No.17154285]

>>17151972
Gnosticism gay reddit spirituality dude we're trapped in the simulation bro
Hermeticism is a mixed bag
Neoplatonism is fantastic
check out Eric Perl's Thinking Being for a good primer (free pdf but the book is expensive)
>>17153513
This too

[Anonymous No.17154481]

>>17151972
>Gnosticism
Starts with the letter "G"
>Hermeticism
On the subject of Hermit the Frog
>Neoplatonism
On the subject of Napoleon Bonaparte

[Anonymous No.17154834]

>>17152126
Ancient Egypt was actually a white civilization so ima go with Egypt it makes sense because of all the Egypt mysticism in Hollywood

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.17154982]

Neoplatonism is a school which interprets the platonist doctrines through their interpretation of Plotinus and proclus and porphyry and also iamblichus.

They held varying different beliefs all rooting out of stuff like the timaeus and Parmenides dialogue but systemized in a few different ways.

They in general believed that there was a divine world and this world and between the absolute divinity was a ladder of various divine phases which are correspondent to the planetary spheres and to various numbers.

They had various opinions on how to redeem the soul and bring it back to the position of the monistic heaven.

For Plotinus the soul isn’t completely fallen and reason alone by pure contemplation is sufficient to raise the soul back into the divine world.

Iamblichus however thought we were even further fallen; and that we require theurgy, ritual worship and invocation of deities and that it is more logical to try to enroll the divine forms into the material world and not vice versa, this is why his work was called demiurgy. See Gregory Shaw’s work on Iamblichus

Hermeticism arrives out of late antiquity either around the time of the gospels or just before or directly after, but develops into a full system at the same speed as Christianity and Neoplatonism. Iamblichus for example refers to the writings of hermes. Hermeticism believes in a similar model to Platonism but fixates much more on the usage of planets, herbal virtues, natural elements and so forth as the means to ascent, which is to say, they have fundamentally a view that this entire creation IS the divine world already and the only problem is that man’s mind lacks this illumination and that all nature cleaves to the divine mind, so the means to success is the alchemical union of opposites as they see this material world as the perfect reflection of heaven already, you just must produce the proper circumstances to reveal this.

Gnosticism is a titanic umbrella term which can’t be summarized as demiurge-bad, because some forms of Gnosticism say demiurge-Good. Gnosticism grew up with influence from both of these two traditions and all 3 influenced and spoke to each other, Gnosticism and hermeticism and Platonism influencing normative Christianity through their platonic theologies, the likes of Dionysius and so forth.

Gnosticism In its nature has influences from these, some of it has Buddhist influence, some Taoist, some Zoroastrian, it really depends on the type. Something like mandaeanism appears very differently from sethian Gnosticism which is extremely different from the borborite fragments we have which is very different from the Manichaean stuff we have. The only unifying factor is they believe the experience of divine revelation is the key to divine ascent among all of them.

So they share a lot since they all developed around each other but they’re very different in nuance at times.

[Anonymous No.17156426]

>>17154982
thank you!

[Anonymous No.17156555]

>>17153513
>what is Christian Gnosticism

[Anonymous No.17157113]

>>17151972
Both Gnosticism and hermetics are essentially Neoplatonists

[Anonymous No.17157644]

>>17154982
Based namefag.

[Anonymous No.17157828]

>>17151976
n-no she's not

[Anonymous No.17157872]

>>17152152
>neoplatonists were well adjusted intellectuals
They literally believed they had causality defying magical powers.

[Anonymous No.17158017]

Is there a good Neoplatonist reading list out there?

[Anonymous No.17158037]

>>17154143