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[Anonymous No.17148143]

What's our opinion on Machiavellism?

[Anonymous No.17148312]

>>17148143
unfortunate, redpilled

[Anonymous No.17148314]

>>17148143
The principled man prevails in the end

[Anonymous No.17148323]

>inb4 le prince is le satire poster

[Anonymous No.17148329]

>>17148143
Renounce hate. Embrace peace and ascetism.

[Anonymous No.17148369]

not for me

[Anonymous No.17148383]

just started the prince.

when does it get interesting? i don't care about how to maintain a XVI century fucking duchy

[Anonymous No.17148431]

>>17148323
painfully obvious it isn't a how-to guide

[Anonymous No.17148459]

Is this pic where the sociopath wojak comes from?

[Anonymous No.17148464]

Based and, in fact, redpilled.

[Anonymous No.17148467]

>>17148383
Thats pretty much what it is. Unless you're interested in how politics works its not a particularly worthwhile read beyond being able to follow conversations about it.

[Anonymous No.17148470]

>>17148431
I never even considered this angle, is this the real trüth?

[Anonymous No.17148485]

refuted

[Anonymous No.17148495]

>>17148485
basic gestalt please

[Anonymous No.17148519]

>>17148143
Truthful, redpilled, based and something I apply to my everyday life.
The issue is that most people forget that philosophies are like keys, and genetics are the door.
People genetically predisposed to low empathy and high dopamine will find in Machiavellianism a great tool, while those possessed by guilt will have to look somewhere else.
Like this faggot
>>17148485

[Anonymous No.17148571]

>>17148519
There's a great argument to be made that Machiavellianism, when properly applied, actually results in the least amount of suffering.

[Anonymous No.17148602]

'Our opinion' is that you're a sheep.

[Anonymous No.17148724]

>>17148467
well, it does look like a dissapointment to me. thought it wasn't so centered around politics. i think i'll take Society of Spectacle then.

[Anonymous No.17148899]

>>17148383
i don't care about how to maintain a XVI century fucking duchy
It is a book on how to mantain power, if you can't generalize his ideas into whatever model of power you currently find yourself in, then you are a fucking brainlet. Also, read it again, but instead of focusing on power, focus on who the prince actually is, machiavelli spends a lot of time explaining the characteristic of the ruler as an individual.

[Anonymous No.17148911]

>>17148571
Possibly, it takes a special type of person to apply Machiavellianism while being concerned about its consequences to others, tho.
Some of sort of Fallen Paladin type of architype

[Anonymous No.17148925]

>>17148899
>i don't care about how to maintain a XVI century fucking duchy
Forgot to put it on greentext.

[Anonymous No.17149000]

>>17148459
It’d totally make sense given Machiavelli’s character.

[Anonymous No.17149045]

>>17148314
The principled man is a lie, he's just too smart for you, brainlet

[Anonymous No.17149050]

>>17148383
It's a literal manual on how to rule, anon. These were things that were written often in the Medieval times. I think they called them Gray Mirrors or something.

[Anonymous No.17149070]

Le complex anti hero . Fucking boring man.

[Anonymous No.17149157]

>>17148899
>It is a book on how to mantain power, if you can't generalize his ideas into whatever model of power you currently find yourself in, then you are a fucking brainlet
This.

[Anonymous No.17149906]

>>17148143
>Hated by the Church
>Hated by Shakespeare
>The two conspired mis-quote, half-quote, re-uote, and de-quote
>Society-at-LARGE still believes these propagandas
>Read the Prince for yourself, it is but 90 pages
>Realize he had some good advice and ideas

Of course, in today's discourse, it is not enough to simply like some of an author's or political figure's ideas. You must *entirely* agree of them, and any one else is entirely wrong!

[Anonymous No.17149926]

>>17148143
Redpilled, very useful, but badly misunderstood.

On the other hand I do like Frederick the Great's Anti-Machiavellil.

[Anonymous No.17149927]

>>17149906
Of course, I forget to mention in my haste before lunch, that to simply read another's ideas means you entirely agree with them as well. It is not possible now to read and try to understand opposing views, you must make up your mind before hand and only read from those who support your view!

[Anonymous No.17150119]

>>17149050
Mirrors for princes

[Anonymous No.17151186]

>>17148143
Based and filters midwits almost unfailingly so if a midwit somehow managed to feign an understanding of Plato or Kant, you can still catch them when they say Machiavelli wasn't a philosopher or that it was satire

[Anonymous No.17151197]

>>17148899
>not interestated in forming a XXI century neo-duchy out of the remains of Balkanized America

Lmao