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Good books where hero saves damsel? I know it's old fashioned/sexist, but I'm a fan of the trope.

>> No.17104111

>>17104064
Conan the barbarian

>> No.17104293

>>17104111
This. Get the Del Rey ones.

>> No.17104329

>>17104064
Good books where damsel gets raped? hehe >:^)

>> No.17104362

>>17104111
This, but if you really want the stereotype, I recomend the Jordan ones. If you want badassery, blood, gore, honor and some spill of sweet ass I would highly recommend Robert E Howard's.

>> No.17104388

>>17104064
don quioxote

>> No.17104392

>>17104064
why do girls love books where they do nothing and just wait for a chad to solve their problems free of charge?

>> No.17104401

>>17104064
Sexism isn’t evil.

>> No.17104405

>>17104064
Will Shreck be able to retrieve Fiona’s panties from the dastardly knight!?

>> No.17104418

>>17104401
It is.
It leads to world’s like this one.
Treat women like your betters. Like full on monarchs, queens of the household. Yeah. Educate your daughters to be worthy of that and that’s a society of chivalry

>> No.17104421

>>17104064
You could write a modern one where you overcome your cuckoldry

>> No.17104436

>>17104064
Ivanhoe
The Faerie Queene by Spenser

>> No.17104453

>>17104418
holy shit i all ways thought that you were a tranny but this is irrefutable prof that you are an old lonely senile woman

>> No.17104482

>>17104453
That’s nice of you to realize, but don’t you see the sense in it?
It would be quite an incentive for women to become better people all around. For the men would not be their knight in shining armor unless they were as educated, compassionate and all that good stuff. Be the second of the household.

>> No.17104533

>>17104453
>>17104482
Nope, pretty sure he is in fact a tranny.

>> No.17104540

>>17104421
If a modern author used this trope he would just be called a simp by the posters here

>> No.17104569

>>17104533
I don’t even give a fuck if you use the wrong pronoun, furfag. Just fuck off

>> No.17104574

>>17104482
WOMAN! when I behold thee flippant, vain,
Inconstant, childish, proud, and full of fancies;
Without that modest softening that enhances
The downcast eye, repentant of the pain
That its mild light creates to heal again:
E’en then, elate, my spirit leaps, and prances,
E’en then my soul with exultation dances
For that to love, so long, I’ve dormant lain:
But when I see thee meek, and kind, and tender,
Heavens! how desperately do I adore
Thy winning graces;—to be thy defender
I hotly burn—to be a Calidore—
A very Red Cross Knight—a stout Leander—
Might I be loved by thee like these of yore.

>>17104436
>Spenser
only good pick in this thread

>> No.17104611

>>17104574
I am as a knight errant as thee, proud lad.
Comrades in arms should we be

>> No.17104779

>>17104064
Read Robert E Howard. Conan does that shit a lot and the adventures are described excellently. Mostly short stories but they're so old that you can find a bunch of collections of them in a single volume.

>> No.17104853

Why do women pretend that they dont like being "saved" by a hero?
Isnt that what everyone wants, a magical person, who asks for nothing, to come along and save them from their current circumstances?

>> No.17104862

>>17104064
just go play zelda you're gonna have a better time

>> No.17104915

>>17104853
Women aren’t all one way. Some of them want Shrek, some of them want a knight in armor, some others want to prove themselves in some career before settling down with a a family, and a minority don’t want to fulfill that biological contract bullshit and opt out of the baby factory business.

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17104963

>>17104064
>people have completely lost the ability to read these tales on a microcosmic level as the spirit (spiritus, pneuma; masculine) saving the soul (anima, psyche; feminine)
Try the Ramayana

>> No.17104974

>>17104915
when they opt out of the female business they just become shitty men

you are not a successful woman and you're nothing compared to a man

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17104995

>>17104974
Stop being such a pill and get better than me.

>> No.17105357

A Princess of Mars + sequels

>> No.17105424

>>17104064
>>17104064
The Legend of Sant Jordi

>> No.17105440

>>17104064
Isn't this porn? It looks like one of those 3D image sets you find on the Misc section on Exhentai.

>> No.17105443
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17105443

>>17105440
this, op should have picked something more tasteful

>> No.17105456

>>17104995
I wish to smell thy tootsies, Butterfly,
Do not refuse me or of grief I'll die.

>> No.17105462

>>17105443
that's a horse not a damsel you sick fuck

>> No.17105473
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17105473

>>17105443
I've looked it up and yeah the artist who did the OP pic is a porn artist. I'm not personally bothered by it to be honest, I just felt like pointing it out since that style seemed so familiar.

It would have been funny if OP decided to put an image of a monster actually being the one saving the girl.

>> No.17105482

>>17105473
g-d i wish that was me

>> No.17105485

>>17105473
cool scenery, wonder what country it is

>> No.17105519

This discussion has been derailed by the well-known butterfly effect, a common occurrence in chaos theory and /lit/ threads.

>> No.17105603

>>17104392
That's a bit unfair but insofar as it's true, it's reasonable. Women know that just by virtue of existing, they are valuable (coz of the childbearing thing) and a chad doing stuff for them "free of charge" is proof that chad (and by extension society) recognizes this.

>> No.17105623

>>17104533
I'm confused.Is he or is he not a tranny?

>> No.17105648

>>17105603
how is it unfair if it's true

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17105663

>>17104418
>the only way womans can be not retarded is if mens make themselves give them everything (because womans cant do anythign on their own)
womans would be treated better if they were actually better and not just inferior versions of mens.

>> No.17105665

>>17105623
He was a real woman in my mind

>> No.17105677

>>17104064
>I know it's old fashioned/sexist, but I'm a fan of the trope.
You need to replace "but" with "therefore".

Of course this is common in lowbrow stuff (i.e. stories people want to read). In "serious" literature, especially these days, they usually mess about with the trope, e.g.:

>Pride and Prejudice
Darcy saves the day by sorting out the whole thing with Wickham & Lydia. This demonstrates to Elizabeth that he will be a good and selfless provider. A slight twist on the classic formula, because the hero saves Damsel B in order to get Damsel A.

>Light In August
Byron saves Lena by stepping in to look after her when Joe abandons her. He's a nice guy but still the opposite of the traditional damsel-rescuer.

>The Crossing & Cities of the Plain
In TC there's a pretty traditional bit of damsel-rescuing which (more or less) works. In COTP there's an attempted damsel-rescue which very much doesn't. McCarthy finds it hard to write Boy Meets Girl with an unequivocally happy ending.

>> No.17105678

>>17104574
was keats a simp?

>> No.17105681

>>17105648
I said "insofar as it's true"; i.e. there is some truth in it but it's not the whole truth.

>> No.17105687

>>17105678
He was, a bit. He loved a woman who didn't really reciprocate and didn't seem to be all that great, from what we can gather.

>> No.17105744

>>17105678
Yes, and also a manlet. A proto-incel, if you will.

>> No.17106160

>>17104064
Ruslan and Lyudmila by A.S. Pushkin

>> No.17106190

>>17104064
What's wrong with being old fashioned/sexist?

>> No.17106206
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17106206

>>17106190
It’s not politically correct, so autist on Twitter will sperg out of you say you like it

>> No.17106856

>>17105663
Fag.

>> No.17107335

>>17104482
>>17104418
>>17104405
Kill yourself tranny

>> No.17107368

>>17107335
Fag

>> No.17107375

I wanna go back to a time when someone could discuss shit without ever mentioning pop gender theory once. No "Whiteknighting is sexist", no "what is wrong with being sexist", no "wrong pronoun, kek", just none of it. Remember when you were younger and still completely defective mentally but didn't have all these fucking language viruses at the very least?

>> No.17107443

>>17104329
Goblin Slayer

>> No.17107496

The John Carter of Mars books are all about saving the girl. Princess of Mars is the first and a really good read.

>> No.17107499

>>17107375
I agree. They were simpler times.

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17107509

>>17104064

>> No.17107870

>>17104064
Gor novels

>> No.17107946

>>17104418
>woman advocates privilege for women
So transparent.

>> No.17107958

>>17104064
Bridge of Birds

>> No.17107968

>>17104064
>I know it's old fashioned/sexist
Stop being a cuck

>> No.17107990

I don't understand why people try to make the damsel in distress trope bad. Good woman/ the love of your life are worth saving and protecting.

>> No.17108011

>>17107335
based
>>17107368
fuck off tranny

>> No.17108022

>>17107990
It's not enough for women to be the beneficiaries of overwhelming charity and privilege from male attention. They also want to feel self-reliant and like they have agency. Problem is, these are two irreconcilable things, and women want both, never getting what they want.

>> No.17108028

>>17104064
The orc has probably raped the princess (or whatever that woman is) already. Why should the knight bother to save her? She's used up goods.

>> No.17108037

>>17108028
Presumably he's a private contractor hired at an exorbitant day rate by her father to get her back alive.

>> No.17108038

>>17104064
>chud incel /pol/ knight doesn't save queen becuase he is sus
books for this feel?

>> No.17108056

>>17108037
Yeah, that's a good point. I was going by the more traditional plot devices in which the knight saves the princess out of love

>> No.17108072

>>17104064
>those whip wounds
Welp, I'm hard now.

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17108088

>>17107946
I would rather we go it alone, but the thread was asking for some chivalry stuff.

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17108097

>>17108088
Kill yourself tranny

>> No.17108118

>>17108097
There’s no such thing, furfag

>> No.17108207

>>17104392
Because it's realistic.

>> No.17108248

>>17104064
Chaucer gives himself a funny take off of these stories in his book where his character recites a tale where the hero is pelted with rocks and runs off.

>> No.17108747

That is terrifying. The future looks darker every day.

>> No.17108784

>>17108747
>>17108088

Nah, this could help a lot in order to fight mass extinctions, straight up cloning is damaging on the long term, but with this, you could take a population of 20-30 individuals and bring it back up to a normal number without requiring cloning.

>> No.17109693

>>17108118
Tranny, ugly ugly ugly tranny

>> No.17110804

>>17108118
>t. has no womb

>> No.17111440

>>17108784
>Nah, this could help a lot in order to fight mass extinctions, straight up cloning is damaging on the long term, but with this, you could take a population of 20-30 individuals and bring it back up to a normal number without requiring cloning
Can't you see the social consequencies of this kind of shit?

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>>17111440

>> No.17111479

>>17105687
>He was, a bit. He loved a woman who didn't really reciprocate
So... Like Dante?

>> No.17111488

>>17106856
>>17107368
kek this is the first time i've seen butters slangin the shit, i am amused

>> No.17111489

>>17108248
which tale is this?

>> No.17111498

>>17111471
You women will be even more unhappy with this lastest bullshit.

>> No.17111507

>>17108097
fucking EW lmao

>> No.17111508

>>17104418
>We shouldn't treat women as less than men
oka-
>Men should treat themselves as less than women

Sorry, you lost me. Sexism is bad.

>> No.17111512

>>17108022
maybe if you talked to women you'd realize that they are not one single person holding all these opinions in her single mind

>> No.17111563

>>17111440
>Can't you see the social consequencies of this kind of shit?

I see no evidence of it being applied to human beings. And I see the potential consequences to of avoiding the loss of preserved species.

>> No.17111586

>>17111508
Mmm. Putting them in charge of the house. Treating them like royalty, but only if you feel they deserve it. Seriously, men would have the power to reject women who aren’t worthy of that treatment.
It’s kind of a balance.

>> No.17111599

>>17111512
Maybe if you talked to me, you'd realize I don't think in the ridiculous caricature you've just emotionally laid out.

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>>17111508
>Sexism is bad.
Sexism is a natural part of romance, and this is not a bad thing.
Is it not sexist that a man loves a woman for her feminine graces? And is it not also just that man should play out his ordained role as woman's saviour and defender?

>Ah! who can e’er forget so fair a being?
>Who can forget her half retiring sweets?
>God! she is like a milk-white lamb that bleats
>For man’s protection. Surely the All-seeing,
>Who joys to see us with his gifts agreeing,
>Will never give him pinions, who intreats
>Such innocence to ruin...

>> No.17111699

>>17104064
Orlando Furioso

>> No.17111703

>>17104064
The complete James Bond series

>> No.17111751

>>17104064
Check out some Medieval Chivalric romance!

Chretien de Troyes is a favorite and a good place to start
>Lancelot, Knight of the Cart
>Yvain, Knight of the Lion

>> No.17111806

>>17104064
Shrek:The Novelization.

>> No.17111833

>>17111586
>Putting them in charge of the house. Treating them like royalty, but only if you feel they deserve it.

I had this conversation with my roommate (female) and we basically both want the same thing- we want to be the ones taking care of our spouse, be the breadwinner, and be the head of the household. She's bi and would prefer a househusband, but would settle for a housewife because she thinks that's unrealistic since in her words, "most sub men are usually gay."

Someone has to be leader. Some people are born to lead, and some are born to follow. I think people should embrace it, because I think families (read: those with children) should have one parent stay at home. The sex of the parent that stays home doesn't matter, it just has to be one.

>> No.17111851

>>17104064
My diary.

>> No.17111860

>>17111602
based drunk frog

>> No.17111880

>>17111833
>Someone has to be leader.
I personally like equality. So maybe I’m just trying to make men more subservient. Gay or not, bisexual or not. Hell, she could hook up a nice polyamorist household. Gigachad would be down with being subservient to her.

>> No.17111899

>>17104064
Shaquissha the Zombie Slayer

>> No.17111906

>>17111880
>I personally like equality. So maybe I’m just trying to make men more subservient.
Isn't that a contradiction? "I don't like equality so I'm going to shift the balance of power from being heavy on one side to heavy on the other." You don't fight injustice with more injustice.
>polyamorist household
madotsuki vomiting.jpg
we're both looking for monogamy but you do you bud

>> No.17111943

>>17104401
Correct. We must acknowledge our differences and realize that they are both equally as valuable. Problem is people view anything that isn’t the “ same “ as unequal but dichotomy in nature brings imbalance. Woman and men should embrace their unique roles and realize that each difference brings something of equal value to the table but in different ways. Sexism willingly acknowledges that each sex is different and in general more suited to different things and that’s ok

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>>17111906
I didn’t think I was being unjust by encouraging knights and ladies. (I donno what roll I’d prefer) just proposing a way away from patriarchal sexism.
And monogamy, bigamy, polygamy. As long as it’s love I’m for freedom

>> No.17112085

>>17111943
>they are both equally as valuable
Besides being necessary to produce more men, why are women valuable at all. Aren't they mentally and physically inferior to man? Additionally, the second sex lacks the ability to channel the muse of poesy. Besides beauty, what virtue does the female sex possess? Aren't women merely a stunted imitation of the form of man, just as man is created in God's image?

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>>17104418
Oh hey, aren’t you that Tranny with no father figure? I didn’t realize that you’re a simp as well.

>> No.17113049

>>17111479
Except that Keats actually tried with Fanny (he wrote her pleading letters etc) whereas Dante never spoke to Beatrice and went off and married someone else, so she never realized he idolized her hopelessly. She might have reciprocated if she had ever had a clue he actually liked her.