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Anonymous Wed Dec 16 21:51:08 2020 No.17048082 [Reply] [Original]

What is postmodernism?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 21:52:28 2020 No.17048089 >>17048082 this image

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 21:53:39 2020 No.17048095 File: 166 KB, 364x493, 1582989165220.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17048089 >>17048082 this image

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 22:00:13 2020 No.17048132 >>17048082 Reacting to the world based on the past instead of the present.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 22:04:30 2020 No.17048166 >>17048132 This is actually what postmodernism is, with the added specificity that people are behaving that way because the present is too complicated for them to comprehend meaningfully

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 22:34:38 2020 No.17048374 File: 161 KB, 538x316, 1601925506041.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17048082 It is the idea that there is no Absolute Truth.

Anonymous Wed Dec 16 22:45:11 2020 No.17048462

one tenant of postmodernism is there is no universal truth or grand narrative to history. in the past thinkers subscribed to ideas like the great man theory of history, the enlightement theory of constant progress, or marxism which states history is driven by class relations, production forces and economic/material conditions

postmodernism is more based on relativism, subjectivity, and deconstruction. that is why it is amusing when peterson conflates postmodernism with marxism which asserts a grand narrative to explain history and itself as a science, exactly the opposite of postmodernism

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 22:46:49 2020 No.17048469 >>17048095 literally wife material

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 23:21:58 2020 No.17048696 File: 161 KB, 538x316, 1602222510749.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17048082 This.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 23:23:26 2020 No.17048708 I'll be fuckin real quick

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 23:27:15 2020 No.17048728 >>17048082 Just watch these https://youtu.be/zmYegIGhwtc https://youtu.be/U4hS5NSzPxw https://youtu.be/OsfKrNLIwhM

Anonymous Wed Dec 16 23:44:10 2020 No.17048828
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authors who announce the end of grand narratives created by western enlightenment, rationalism and materialism (people like kant, hegel and marx)

everything, as in every ideology or worldview, or the most credible historical or philosophical analysis is open to interpretation, because everything is discourse, can be altered, was altered because it came from a human
even scientific knowledge is targeted, because the way it arrives to us through news or scientific authorities can have an ideological interest or scheme in it
it denies that we can ever discover a truth, because multiple truths are available, and all can be questioned and altered, because as time advances, new interpretations will appear, and they can be just as forgeable or credible

it stands completely opposite to marxism or dialectical materialism, which is a modernist, materialist ideology, who indicates that there is a truth, a correct societal diagnosis, that can be achieved only through the economical point-of-view, since everything else, from culture to politics is determined by it

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 23:52:47 2020 No.17048880 spohists revival

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 00:13:05 2020 No.17048998 >>17048082 I don't know, I'm not there yet

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 00:35:08 2020 No.17049122 >>17048880 cringe

Anonymous Thu Dec 17 01:38:53 2020 No.17049461

>>17048082
Nietzsche asked what happens if every concept that had been assumed to be be true was actually just a cope, and the entire philosophical framework of the West collapsed as a result

Postmodernism is just cope for not being able to attach meaning or importance to any concept no matter how obvious because of this

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 03:48:42 2020 No.17049981 >>17048462 Marxists used post-modernism philosophy to spawn the hundreds of oppressed/oppressor narratives.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 03:56:13 2020 No.17050018 >>17049981 And then right-wingers synthesized the dichotomy to create a hellish human condition we get to witness every day, even on this board

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 04:08:16 2020 No.17050062 >>17048082 maybe part of the reason i want to suck the barrel of a shotgun

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 04:13:22 2020 No.17050085 >>17048828 based effortposter. This is the gist of it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 05:18:54 2020 No.17050278 A broad spectered literary reaction to modernism

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 06:24:57 2020 No.17050481 Post-structuralism, bounding on anti-structuralism

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 07:40:10 2020 No.17050756 Why is everyone on this board retarded?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 07:52:26 2020 No.17050794 >>17050756 It is fun

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 10:36:28 2020 No.17051603 >>17048082 my dick

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 10:51:01 2020 No.17051679 File: 485 KB, 600x1078, 1549147653613.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Why yes, I watch her streams as well

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 13:09:17 2020 No.17052601 >>17048082 You must have some idea considering the image you chose when making the thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 13:15:20 2020 No.17052637 >>17048095 this acc gave me a few good laughs why did they have to go

Anonymous Thu Dec 17 13:16:46 2020 No.17052651
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>>17048828
>marxism (thesis) versus postmodernism (antithesis)
If those are the options, they have so much common ground that I'd rather not choose at all. Fuck dialectics and fuck their inevitable synthesis.

Anonymous Thu Dec 17 13:26:13 2020 No.17052718

>>17048828
Ive become increasingly annoyed by the term 'postmodernism' in this way because it seems to be used more like a general boogeyman for 'philosopher you dont like that denies your ideas'.
Im reminded of the fact that the word 'Nihilism' was first used by a theologian against Kant. is a term nobody actually identifies themselves as, but one thats always used by other people that are pissed that someone debunked their project.
that definition of postmodernism does the same, its not doing anything different from Modernism but it gets framed (mostly by pissed analytics) as this radical 'post-truth' project distinct from Modernism.
Nietzsche or Heidegger do exactly the same, use vague language, deconstruct narratives, defuse metaphysics and deny reaching some fundamental truth, but they are always excluded from the list for some reason.

Anonymous Thu Dec 17 14:54:21 2020 No.17053324

>>17052718
I think that postmodernism is better than the shitty larpy Marxism of today at critiquing capitalism. What leftists fail to notice is that all their values and struggles got absorbed into the capitalism system. Their revolutionary ideas very quickly become products. Lefties love to boast about how their Black Panther movie and poc trans merchandise is a form of progression towards socialism when instead it's the complete opposite, a reinforcement of the status quo which is a utilitarian dopamine spike oriented society where everyone is "protected" from any sort of struggle or suffering (God forbid anyone call someone a mean word bigot).

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 14:57:59 2020 No.17053353 >>17053324 >What leftists fail to notice is that all their values and struggles got absorbed into the capitalism system. Their revolutionary ideas very quickly become products. read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recuperation_(politics)

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 15:02:54 2020 No.17053390 >>17048469 I think you missed the "transgirl" part

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 15:07:22 2020 No.17053415 >>17052718 >>17053324 It's both trash because both is grounded in ethical nihilism. Basically it's postmodern emotivist ethics versus marxist utilitarian ethics. Embrace the strausspill, read MacIntyre and return to Aristotle (pbuh).

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 15:18:47 2020 No.17053519 >>17053415 >return to Aristotle Nobody can. I can't. You can't. Stop larping , consumer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 15:21:10 2020 No.17053538 File: 34 KB, 853x543, strauss.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17053519 You can embrace Aristotelian ethics right here and now by cultivating proper virtues through earnest and constant practice. Embrace your telos and join me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 15:48:15 2020 No.17053779 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHtvTGaPzF4&t=2s

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 17:16:03 2020 No.17054419 >>17052601 It's still fun to see how others define it

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 17:19:24 2020 No.17054441 File: 161 KB, 538x316, 1595646856131.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17048082 Pic related.

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