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I'm interested in how different Buddhist and Hindu schools and philosophies respond to each other. Are there some good books on this?

>> No.17038123
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This thread will go well

>> No.17038138

>>17038105
>believes that there are Buddhist answers to Adi Shankara
well, about that...

>> No.17038149

>>17038138
I didn't specifically mention Shankara...

>> No.17038171

The Central Philosophy of Buddhism, by Tirupattur Ramaseshayyer Venkatachala Murti.

>> No.17038307

>>17038105
Dasguptas encyclopedia of Indian philosophy has some discussion of the back and forth arguments, although its a massive 5-part series which would take a while to read through. There is also an entire book called “An Evaluation of the Vedantic Critique of Buddhism” by Gregory Darling. Almost all of the Buddhist critiques of Hinduism are against the earlier mimansa ritualists, nyaya logicians, the atomist vaisheshika and the naturalist samkhya; Buddhists for the most part stopped trying to write refutations of Hindu philosophy just as all the more interesting Hindu schools like Vedanta, Tantra etc were coming into stride and themselves offering substantive critiques of Buddhism
>>17038171
I have read that a lot of modern scholars of Madhyamaka Buddhism view Murti’s book as now being pretty outdated, and that it over-relies on Chandrakirti’s interpretation and imputes Absolutist positions to Nagarjuna which the present generation of scholars are pretty hesitant to ascribe to him

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>>17038138
I would be careful about reading Advaita Vedanta interpretations such as Shankara's as a commentary to the Upanishads, they are extremely reliant on Buddhist philosophy (Shankara is called a "cryptobuddhist" by most Hindus, and most scholars agree). If you want to read the Upanishads, work through them with editions and commentaries that aren't sectarian, or at least read an interpretation that is closer to the original meaning of the Upanishads, rather than Shankara's 9th century AD quasi-buddhism.

>> No.17038347

>>17038138
son if i were you i’d be careful

>> No.17038395

>>17038347
why?

>> No.17038465

>>17038307
Chandrakirti's interpretation dominates among extant Madhyamika traditions, especially the Tibetan, so reading Nagarjuna through him is probably more accurate than reading him through a 'present generation of scholars.' The rejection is its own bias, a bias not unlike dismissing or disregarding 'neo'-Platonist readings of Plato for being posterior to Plato in favor of a pseudo-originalist reading favored by moderns, i.e. people even more posterior to Plato. So who is right is a difficult question and potentially even a wrongly asked question. That being said, since OP is looking for comparisons, Murti does indeed compare Mahayana and Vedanta and absolutism is where they touch the most.

>> No.17039209

>>17038149
didnt you know, all of Hinduism = some dude who plagiarist the Buddha, not even kidding

>> No.17039212

>>17038123
poor elephanr :(
hope hes in elephant heaven now

>> No.17039222

>>17038123
wait he's alive though. He's using his trunk to breath air

>> No.17039274

>>17039209
meanwhile...

> The EBT (early Buddhist Texts) frequently bear the stamp of influence from Brahmanical literature in their literary style. The most obvious is the poetry, where we find that the metres are developed from Vedic precedent [6,15–16]. Likewise, the characteristic feature of framing narratives is derived from the Vedas [5]. In the Vedas we also find the models for such organising principles as the Saṁyutta principle of grouping texts by topic,3 and the Aṅguttara principle of grouping them according to number [2, 23–24] [3, 101]. The EBT frequently share metaphors and imagery with the Vedic literature. Indeed, we can point to several shared similes in just one Upaniṣadic passage, the dialogue between Yājñavalkya and his wife Maitreyī: the origin of the sound of the conch or the lute, (DN 23.19/DĀ 7/MĀ 71/T 45 vs. Bṛhadāraṇyaka Upaniṣad 2.4.7–9), the rivers that merge in the ocean (AN 8:19 vs. Bṛhadāraṇyaka Upaniṣad 2.4.11), and the ocean that every- where has one taste, the taste of salt (AN 8.157 vs. Bṛhadāraṇyaka Upaniṣad 2.4.11)

>yfw Buddha took 3 different metaphors from chapter 4 in the second section of the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad alone

>> No.17039397

>>17039209
are you thinking of shankara? he mostly plagiarized nagarjuna. that's why everyone calls him a crypto-buddhist.