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>The ironclad wastes of the Eagles Nest atop Kehlsteinhaus was a portent to the Zone’s grip; 3rd Infantrymen flowing from the burned façade with whatever sensible treasures sans soot they could get their hands on. Slothrop sits on a tree trunk glaring at the mountainside air, hawks encircling above while fawns inspect craters below, mother deer projecting a plea to follow her, a bid away from the people and their Silly War… and the Spring seeps from all the hollowed streams underground, bestowing waters like the Styx for consumption to forget this terrible time… and the celebrations of hops fueling the carnal conquistadors, supposedly on the good side, unfurl into the unfolding sky, as clear now as the crystalline waters of some private beach where eyes cannot gaze upon the perdition of Men Of Folly—a chance flight out to cremate the care of pernicious beings. A net gain nowhere in sight to him. A dawning of some terrible truth… imagined marionette strings dangling from the fingertips of some gnarled sepulchral hands, placating the disgust of spilling viscera upon the green aisles of Europe, warding off the Angels, who now float, watching, stretched spread-eagle in the penumbra of the Moon, wallowing as their wings are clipped and their spinal fluid fills the space like plasma… the Farben techocrates, whose chants and sigils were spread across the Atlantic, can now feast upon five-course celebrations at black-tie events. The Burnt Offering accepted. All Theater. Terrible Theater.

What was his problem? Was he CIA? How did he know so much about the Argentines and the U-Boats? Did he smoke himself into insanity?

>> No.17026420

>>17026400
He obviously did extensive research into the OSS and the CIA, folks like William F. Friedman, etc. I wonder if his time at Boeing brought him close to military projects - of course, he learned a lot about rocket engineering from there, I wonder what else?

>> No.17026457

>>17026420
I think he was privy to ARPANET. I'm sure the military powers that be were well aware of what they were making at the time, how it would eventually morph into the internet.
I wonder if Pynchon was privy to that as well... would explain the theme of Slothrop's identity being completely atomized by powers far more powerful than he.

>> No.17026499

>>17026457
Very interesting. I wonder if there's some in-depth research one can read about Pynchon and his ties to the military-industrial complex. Would be very interested to read if so.

>> No.17026526

>>17026499
Wait for him to die

>> No.17026587

>>17026499
According to the biographical note in the Cambridge companion to Pynchon, one of Tom's ancestors wrote a pamphlet on enemas.

>> No.17026631

>>17026587
>According to the biographical note in the Cambridge companion to Pynchon, one of Tom's ancestors wrote a pamphlet on enemas.
How do you know this is not a troll?

>> No.17026647

>>17026400
>Pynchon
>redpilled
He loves blacks etc. He is anything but redpilled

>> No.17026654

>>17026647
>>>/pol/

>> No.17026683
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>>17026631
He comes from a long, illustrious family. Hell, one of the early Pynchons was writing gothic stories about dogs too!
I think it's in their blood or something.
Also Inb4 rotated picture

>> No.17026695

>>17026683
Son-of-a-bitching phoneposting cocksucking bullshit.

>> No.17026703

>>17026695
Bro, just crop it slightly before you post.

>> No.17026715

>>17026703
Thanks for the tip. Will use in the future.
Eh, people can crane their necks to read the little bit about his ancestors' affinity for dogs, dynamite, and enemas...

>> No.17026716

>>17026683
Pynchon's ancestry is so Pynchonesque

>> No.17026745

>>17026716
>tfw will never have a family tree as kino as Pynchon's

>> No.17026795

>>17026400
Worse, this man has seen the fabric of the being

>> No.17026851

>>17026795
He's taken a nibble of the forbidden carrot.

>> No.17027002

>>17026654
>loves black cock
Haha dude he so redpilled and colonialism bad

>> No.17027013

>>17027002
Why are you so obsessed with black men, anon? Are you gay?

>> No.17027018

He was a participant in MK Ultra.

>> No.17027045

>>17027018
This. Friendly reminder that all Pynchon novels were autobiographical

>> No.17027377

>>17027013
Pynchon is

>> No.17027439

>>17026400
Is this how the whole book is written? Might read it after all.

>> No.17027704

>>17027439
Pretty much

>> No.17027726

>>17027704
It's so dense, every page has so much going on.

>> No.17028084

>>17026400
Who tf is this chucky cheese-lookin motherfucker? I refuse to believe that Thomas Pynchin looks like that!

>> No.17028816

>>17028084
It's T. Chungus

>> No.17028926
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>>17026420
Public library records are a very underrated source of research. IIRC Tom Clancy got a visit from the FBI because his descriptions of military hardware were shockingly accurate to the pentagon. Turns out they'd just forgotten to make that stuff classified.
>>17026683
>theology
>chemistry
>finance
>ghost dogs
>nasal surgery
>airships
>enemas
This hack ripped off his own family tree.

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>>17027439
>>17027704
>>17027726
>mfw Pynchon didn't write this. I wrote it. Tee-heeeee!

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>>17029024
Another one of my classic pranks in which I trick anons into thinking something I wrote was actually Pynchon's, sacrificing a passage that could've proved competitive in a microfiction contest, just so I can get the autistic satisfaction of fooling my bros on /lit/.
Tee-hee! Tricked!

>> No.17029106

>>17026499
Death is Just Around the Corner podcast has some interesting biographical info about Pynchon

>> No.17029147

>>17026400

Was he English? He has very English teeth!

>> No.17029185

>>17029147
He's Chinglish.

>> No.17029638

>>17029185
No, he's Jewish.

>> No.17029649

>>17026683
William Pynchon founded Springfield MA, setting the stage for Springfield to be the most common city name in the US.

>> No.17029660

>>17029649
I wonder if this has anything to do with The Simpsons and Freemasonry...

>> No.17029673

>>17026400
he's extremely bluepilled, by all anecotes and his own books

>> No.17029684

>>17029673
You have to go back.

>> No.17029692

>>17029684
nah

>> No.17029696

>>17029673
>>>/REDDIT/

>> No.17029708

>>17029692
yah

>> No.17029716

>>17029024
>>17029066
You motherfucker, anon

>> No.17029723

>>17026400
>imagined marionette strings dangling from the fingertips of some gnarled sepulchral hands
>The Burnt Offering accepted
Is he saying what I think he’s saying?

>> No.17029727

>>17029684
>>17029696
seething

>> No.17029731

>>17029723
He's not saying anything YOU think he's saying, okay? Got it? You fucking got that, PAL?

>> No.17029749

>>17029731
Come off it, Tom

>> No.17029769

>>17029024
>>17029066
In fairness, the first sentence is convincing but it loses it's believability after that. You still get the Pynchon vibe right, though. You should actually put your talents to a good end, anon.

>> No.17029778

>>17029723
Reminds me of this part in GR.
>I wander all the Diaspora for stray children. I am Israel. I am the Shekinah, queen, daughter, bride, and mother of God. And I will take you back, you fragment of smashed vessel, even if I must pull you by your nasty little circumcised penis.

>> No.17029812

>>17029769
Thanks for the kind words, anon.
But lol, I do this every-now-and-then and the same thing kinda plays out...
>frame a passage as something by another, well-renowned writer
>Oh hey, wow, are all his books like this?
>Tell people it's me, some twenty-something frog-posting anon
>... well, ummm, I... well it was good for a bit, but then it... ummm...

>> No.17029834

>>17029812
Don't get me wrong, it's still great, but I did just skim it the first time and only read it properly once I realised I'd been duped. Still, good stuff.

>> No.17029922

>>17029834
Thanks, m8. Most of the time the people I show my writing to compare me to William Gibson... which I'll take, since it really impresses the Molly types.
I'm currently working on some internet novel, so I guess the comparisons are apt.
Might get published, might end up a colossal failure. I'm sure if it is, the anons here, if they read it, would pick up on the fact that I'm a shitposter.
Keep an eye out, /lit/. I hope to truly become /yourguy/.

>> No.17029966

>>17029778
Lmao I fucking love Pynchon

>> No.17029973

>>17026400
Why does his head look like it's been hit with a rubber mallet

>> No.17029982

>>17029966
Page 478, 3rd paragraph of the Penguin Twentieth Century Classics edition.

>> No.17029989

>>17029024
Ah, I thought it seemed a bit overwrought even for Pynchon

>> No.17030004

>>17029966
I love him too, anon :)

>> No.17030049

>>17029922
Have you got a working title? Or a title I can look out for in the future? Would genuinely be interested to read some of your actual, less parodical work.

>> No.17030118
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>>17030049
No idea, probably something Biblical...

>> No.17030322

>>17030118
nice one arkid

>> No.17030630

>>17029024

nice. keep up the good work, OP, you could make it some day

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17030811

wait,this isnt actually fuckin Pynch
fuck outta here

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17031098

>>17030811

>> No.17031139

>>17029024
It's good, but the Styx is not the river that erases memory.

>> No.17031285
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17031285

>>17031139
f u g
I sure hope someone was FIRED for that blunder...
t. coombrain

>> No.17031382

>>17026683
This is so freaking motivational. I'm going to get off my ass, be great, have a family with a lot of kids, make sure they're great too so eventually my family tree will consist of extraordinary people

>> No.17031520

>>17031382
Your inbred family won't even be able to write an enema pamphlet.

>> No.17031615

>>17031520
Looool l don't give a shit about writing loser

>> No.17031770

>>17031615
Whatever, man. My kids are gonna write cyberpunk stories about transcybernetic hamsters.

>> No.17031876

>>17029716
'tis proof that retards on here haven't read the biggest meme on the board. Disheartening.

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>>17031615

>> No.17031893

>>17031876
I mean he did paraphrase a couple of lines this time. The stand being "all theater". But I don't remember too much of the farben cartel getting mentioned in GR. Idk I read it when I was 17 and just wanted to post my burning Pynchon book image.

>> No.17031915

>>17031893
The only thing you read at 17 was "How To Unfuck My Dog."

>> No.17031951

>>17029673
I dont think you write a book about all the conspiracies and lead up to 9/11 and mention just about every angle possible and stay bluepilled.

He seems more willing to follow and explore every narrative tread than most people. The lies he tells are more instructice than the truth

>> No.17031974

I really like the middle late pynchon novels. Ive read against the day 3x, mason and dixon 2x, and vineland 2x. Gravity's Rainbow and V are really good but they make me depressed and kindo of schizoid feeling, like Dune Messiah.

Maybe i am just lighthearted, but i like to laugh and sit there reading in fascination, not brood and feel a deep loss. The end of the Chronicles of Narnia had me in tears too though so im kind of soft

>> No.17032679

>>17026457
He was most definitely involved in ARPANET

>> No.17032902

>>17031285
hyuk hyuk hyuk

>> No.17033231

>>17026400
this isn't GR

>> No.17033295

>>17033231
We know, read the thread

>> No.17033301

>>17033295
It's pretty obvious

>> No.17033440

>>17033301
Ou big smarty pants here, pushing up his glasses, calling things obvious.
Keep your daughters locked up, fellas!

>> No.17033554

what was the point of GR?

>> No.17033584

>>17033554
To get pussy, dumbass.

>> No.17033585

>>17033584
rude

>> No.17033640

>>17033440
Daughters are not property to lock up when appropriate. Back to the cave with you, primitive man.

>> No.17033709

>>17033440
lol cope

>>17033584
I thought that was V.. Kindof a one trick pony, huh?

>> No.17033723

>>17033640
>>17033709
Have sex.

>> No.17033730

>>17033723
with you?

>> No.17033830

>>17033730
Gay.

>> No.17034033
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17034033

>>17031770
It's okay, man. I'll make sure my kids read your kids' books about transgender hamsters.

>> No.17034396

>>17033723
As can be gleaned from my illuminated and uncontentiously correct opinion on daughters, it isn't me who needs a lay.

>> No.17035068

He's part-Jewish, never forget.

>> No.17035238

>>17035068
>all the anglo pomo writers are actually jewish!
is there a more cringy schizo zoomer/lit/ meme?

>> No.17035252

>>17035238
Pynchon's mother was half-Jewish, why can't you accept that

>> No.17035261

>>17026400
Can someone tell me about this guy? What makes his writing good, and why is Gravity's Rainbow in all the /lit/ lists I see.

>> No.17035269

>>17035261
Memes and poop and conspiracy and BBC. That's the tip of it

>> No.17035308

>>17035252
Let me guess, you read the cover of Bleeding Edge and didn't understand it?
>>17035252
>>17035269
found the schizo zoomemer who hasn't read anything this year

>> No.17035323

>>17026400
God Pynchon's writing is horrible. Pynchon is to literature what family guy is to tv: random, sporatic and non-sensical content tied together into a sloppy plot.

>> No.17035325

>>17035323
Another zoomer bites the bait

>> No.17035360

>>17035323
It's not actually Pynch's writing

>> No.17035473

>>17035308
I read more this year than any other. Ironically, 3 books are pynchmann's. Different anons btw.

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17035482

>>17035323
>Pynchon is to literature what family guy is to tv

>> No.17035487

>>17035325
>>17035308
Found the zoomer whose first serious author is Pynchon.

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17035494

>>17035068
that you're an incel?

>> No.17035505

>>17035487
Well yeah he wrote the index to the end of history. There's nowhere else to go now

>> No.17035520

>>17035505
You will come around.

>> No.17035560

>>17035308
You're responding to me. I've read every work of Pynchon's and I'm actually on pg. 402 of a GR reread. He's still a Jew that hates Christian Europe and White America. Every novel of his is replete with anti-Whiteness, though he is still a great writer.

>> No.17035574

>>17035560
>He's still a Jew that hates Christian Europe and White America
Source?

>> No.17035602

>>17035520
>you WILL eat the bugs

>> No.17035611

>>17035574
Ishmael Reed's one of his noted influences.

>> No.17035624

>>17035602
>you WILL stop with the idol worship in a couple years of reading.

>> No.17035625

>>17035611
You think he's Jewish because he read a black guy's poems?

>> No.17035635

>>17035611
wow you don't say

>> No.17035674

>>17035625
>Yellow Back Radio Broke-Down is a western that spans some three centuries of history and references locations from across the United States landscape. Through the three colorful protagonists, Chief Showcase, a Native American, Drag Gibson, a white land capitalist, and the Loop Garoo Kid, an African-American cowboy, Reed criticizes the hypocrisy of the American Church, the warping of history to degrade the portrayal of African Americans, and ways the "white man" attempts to destroy the "black man".
This is what happens when you believe the first thing that google throws at you; ironic for someone raising brow at jews.

>> No.17035704

>>17035674
>black author says wypipo bad
Groundbreaking.
>raising brow at jews
Still not sure why you are obsessed with depicting Ruggles as a Jew. He referenced Reed because of (((Freemasons)))

>> No.17035711

>>17035574
Have you read his first three novels? "Weissmann"/"Blicero"? "Whiteman Death"? Do you know what the rocket symbolizes? Do you know that "V" in Hebrew translates to the number 6? and rabbinical scholars have determined for centuries that "V"/"6" (6 million) must "vanish" in order to create the state of Israel? And the very first mention of "V" in V. in Stencil's notebooks mentioned she "vanished". His first three books are a condemnation of the Western White Man and his technology and his religion and his race.

>> No.17035745

>>17035711
Unironic yikes.

>> No.17035757

>>17035745
incisive retort faggot

>> No.17035758

>>17027018
Is MK Ultra just the everything inside of everyone?

>> No.17035763

NGL, I read the first half of GR and even if this excerpt had been in there I wouldn't have remembered. Call me a pseud but I have no real memory for prose. Or verse. Language seems to pass me by in a caliginous haze, subsumed by my subconscious to be regurgitated later as discrete, free floating sentences devoid of context. How 2b a more rooted writer?

>> No.17035765

>>17035704
The "pynch==jew" guy isn't me, but his imperialist guilt is particularly hard to glance over, especially when it informs a lot of his symbolisms. Read his opinions on Mailer's essay on black sexuality.

>> No.17035780

>>17035325
>>17035360
You are the ones who have been baited

>> No.17035821

>>17035765
Yes and? Have you even looked into his family's history?

>> No.17035823

>>17035763
As good as he writes, Pynchon's prose is not the most quotable or memorable. Its an unsynced orchestra playing a very technical piece; each instrument is impressive when heeded on its own, but the whole isn't very beautiful. I, for one, appreciate his later books in that he certainly got better at writing sentences, even when they lack the punch of his early work.

>> No.17035851

>>17035823
yawn

>> No.17035858

>>17026457
Sort of. His position in Boeing put him in proximity to Bomarc surface to air missiles, which ran on something called SAGE, a direct predcessor to ARPANET, basically a bunch of computer terminals connected across state lines via phonelines, one of the earliest iterations of what would become regular consumer internet. I think he had some inkling even then that basically all technologies began with exorbitant military-industrial funding and then eventually trickle down to consumer-level goods, but that foundation in the powers that be never truly goes away, and I think that was a major source of his paranoia. I think that's what he was sort of alluding to with W.A.S.T.E in Lot 49, when he shows people who assume it's just something their workplace uses to send messages, or when Oedipa encounters random bums and poor people using it too, I think Pynchon had some inkling that this technology would arrive for the consumer (like modern internet), something available to the general public that everyone assumes is open and free for their use when in reality, it's always been a defense project byproduct.

I've kind of come to associate the V2 Rocket with this same sort of lineage of technological advancement that led to internet in that it was, for its time, the culmination of the bleeding edge of advancement in countless disciplines, Chemistry, Mathematics, Physics, Ballistics, Engineering, all come together to kill from hundreds of miles away. For the first time, the world was on a grid. This idea appears in variation in basically all of his works, Mason & Dixon coming to terms with their committing raw, unbroken landscape to territory, all for the corporate fascism of the East India Trading Company would be another example. I remember Inherent Vice references ARPANET directly. There's a looming sadness that kind of hangs over that whole book, it's not the 60's anymore and Doc's persona still remains unchanged in a world that is quickly proving it to be obsolete. I remember there being some quote in there somewhere about there being a coming time where there'd be no more leads for him to follow because everything and everyone would be accounted for.

>> No.17035860

>>17035851
Take that Tom! You live with it.

>> No.17035872

>>17035711
>Do you know what the rocket symbolizes?
"Whiteman Death"?

>> No.17035890

>>17035711
It's not a condemnation of religion so much as the corrupt institutions that function with it's auspice

>> No.17035908

>>17035872
Inherent Weiss. From P's perspective the V-rocket is the epitome of the White Christian European death drive--the culmination of all White suicidal/genocidal history in one final hateful point of black device sacrifice.

>> No.17036034

>>17035252
>>17035821
WASP she seems catholic

>> No.17036043

>>17036034
https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/materia/the-fake-hermit/
>Taking after his mother, Katherine Frances Bennett, the future novelist adopted Catholicism, the first deviation from his paternal ancestry.
>Pynchon minded his own business, he was quiet and really neat, very Catholic and a very smart guy.
>When he finished college, Pynchon was dating a girl named Lilian Laufgraben. Her family was Jewish and preferred that their daughter marry a dentist with the same religion. Heartbroken, the writer turned to some friends for comfort

>> No.17036083

One more BTFO
https://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=9505&msg=1496&keywords=siegal
>When his parents came to visit, he introduced his mother this way: "Jules,
this is my mother. She's an anti-Semite. I just didn't want my children to
surround themselves with Jews." I remember her as an exceptionally beautiful
woman, all cut glass, ivory and sable. I believe she had been a nurse, had a
lot of Irish in her and was a Catholic. Though Mr. Pynchon was a Protestant,
she raised their children in her own faith.

>> No.17036141

>>17036034
I meant more in regards to imperialist guilt. His stance on this forms a significant chunk of Lot49

>> No.17036175

>>17036043
>>17036083
pg. 19 of V.
>What sort of Catholic was she? Profane, who was only half Catholic (mother Jewish)
. . . and who is Profane based on?

>> No.17036190

>>17036175
woah. . .

>> No.17036192

>>17036175
Benito was half Italian. Pynchon isn't and can't be. He is obsessed with jews though.

>> No.17036846

What have you done to my thread?

>> No.17036868

>>17036846
the /pol/tards got to it, I'm sorry anon

>> No.17037231

>>17035858
based effortpost

>> No.17038159

>>17034033
Based and blessed digits