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[Anonymous No.17016909]

>modernity
What went wrong /lit/?

Smart responses only

[Anonymous No.17016913]

besides Feminism?

[Anonymous No.17016918]

>>17016909
>modernity
Absolutely nothing

[Anonymous No.17016923]

>Smart responses only

Your question is 5 words, 4 if you drop the address. Modernity, what went wrong?
It's a leading question that relies on a premise for which the only argument you have provided is an image of JBP and some dude from a cartoon I've never watched.

And you want smart responses. The only response you deserve is to be told to fuck off and stop posting low effort slide threads.

[Anonymous No.17016985]

>>17016909
>what went wrong
The idea that humans are by default good and rational and not a bunch of animals who deserved to whipped

[Anonymous No.17016989]

>>17016923
>some dude from a cartoon I've never watched
That's Bojack

[Anonymous No.17016991]

>>17016909
The two wrongs about the modern world are mass-immigration and a decline in sexual values.

These can only be solved through modernity.

[Anonymous No.17016992]

read Modernity and Cultural Decline

[Anonymous No.17016999]

>>17016989
No, that's a cartoon representation of the pedophile and child molester, Ken Little.

[Anonymous No.17017015]

>>17016909

It seems that nothing exists for modern man other than what can be seen and touched; or at least, even if they admit theoretically that something else may exist they hasten to declare it not merely unknown but “unknowable,” which absolves them from having to give it further thought. If nevertheless some persons still are to be found who try to form some kind of idea of an “other world,” relying as they do on nothing but their imagination they picture it in the likeness of the terrestrial world and transfer to it all the conditions belonging to that world, including space and time and even a sort of “corporeality”; in speaking elsewhere of spiritualistic conceptions we have given some very striking examples of this kind of grossly materialized representation; but if the beliefs there referred to represent an extreme case in which this particular feature is exaggerated to the point of caricature, it would be a mistake to suppose that spiritualism and the sects more or less akin to it retain the monopoly of this kind of thing. Indeed, in a more general way, the intrusion of the imagination into realms where it can yield no useful results, and which ought normally to remain closed to it, is a fact which in itself shows very clearly how incapable modern Westerners have become of raising themselves above the realm of the senses; there are many who do not know how to distinguish between “conceiving” and “imagining,” and some philosophers, such as Kant, go so far as to declare “inconceivable” and “unthinkable” everything that is not capable of representation. In the same way everything that goes by the name of “spiritualism” or “idealism” usually amounts to no more than a sort of transposed materialism; this applies not only to what we have described as “neo-spiritualism,” but also to philosophical spiritualism, although the latter considers itself to be the very opposite of materialism. The fact is that spiritualism and materialism, in the philosophical sense of these expressions, have no significance apart from one another: they are simply two halves of the Cartesian dualism, whose radical separation has been turned into a kind of antagonism; and, since then, the whole of philosophy has oscillated between these two terms without being able to pass beyond them. Spiritualism, in spite of its name, has nothing to do with spirituality; its conflict with materialism can be of no interest to those who place themselves at a higher standpoint and who see that these opposites are fundamentally very near to being equivalent, their supposed opposition reducing itself, on many points, to a merely verbal disagreement.

[Anonymous No.17017022]

>>17017015
The moderns, generally speaking, cannot conceive of any other science except that which deals with things that can be measured, counted, or weighed, material things that is to say, since it is to these alone that the quantitative point of view is applicable; and the claim to reduce quality to quantity is most characteristic of modern science. In this direction the stage has been reached even of supposing that there can be no science at all, in the real sense of the word, except where it is possible to introduce measurement, and that there can be no scientific laws except those which express quantitative relations; Descartes’ “mechanism” marked the birth of this tendency, which has grown more and more pronounced ever since, the rejection of Cartesian physics notwithstanding, for it is not a tendency connected with any particular theory but with an altogether general conception of scientific knowledge. Nowadays people try to apply measurement even in the field of psychology, which lies beyond its reach from its very nature; they end by ceasing to understand that the possibility of measurement rests solely upon a property inherent in matter, namely its indefinite divisibility, unless indeed it be supposed that the same property is to be found in everything that exists, which amounts to materializing everything. As we have already remarked, it is matter which is the principle of division and pure multiplicity; the predominance attributed to the quantitative point of view, and extended, as we have already shown, to the social domain, does therefore indeed constitute materialism in the sense mentioned above, although it need not necessarily be connected with philosophical materialism, which, as a matter of fact, it preceded historically in the course of development of the tendencies inherent in the modern outlook. We will not dwell upon the error of seeking to reduce quality to quantity or upon the inadequacy of all those attempts at explanation conforming more or less to the mechanistic type; that is not our present purpose and we will only remark, in this connection, that even within the sensible order a science of this type has but little connection with reality, of which the greater part must necessarily lie outside its scope.

[Anonymous No.17017028]

>>17017022
While speaking of “reality” another fact should be mentioned, which might easily be overlooked by many, but which is very significant as a sign of the mentality we are describing: we refer to the habit of using the word “reality” exclusively to denote reality belonging to the sensible order. As language is the expression of the mentality of a people or of a period, one must conclude from this that for those who speak in this manner everything that cannot be grasped by the senses is illusory and even totally non-existent; it is possible that they are not fully conscious of the fact, but this negative conviction is none the less the underlying one, and if they assert the contrary one may be sure that this assertion is only the expression of some much more superficial element in their mentality, although they happen not to be conscious of the fact, and that their protest may even be a purely verbal one. If this should seem to be an exaggeration one has only to try and ascertain, for example, what the supposed religious convictions of a great many people amount to; a few notions learnt by heart in a purely academic and mechanical way without any real assimilation, notions to which they have never given any serious consideration, but which they retain in their memory and repeat on occasion because they form part of a certain formal and conventional attitude, which is all they are able to understand by the word religion. We have already referred to this “minimizing” of religion, of which the “verbalism” we mentioned represents one of the latest phases: it is this which explains why many so-called “believers” in no wise fall short of the “unbelievers” in the matter of practical materialism; we shall return to this question later, but first we must conclude our investigation of the materialistic nature of modern science, since this is a subject that requires to be treated from various angles.

[Anonymous No.17017035]

>>17017028
Attention must once again be drawn to a a point that has been mentioned earlier; the modern sciences do not possess the character of disinterested knowledge, nor does their speculative value, even for those who believe in it, amount to much more than a mask behind which purely practical considerations lie concealed, one which makes it possible nevertheless to retain the illusion of a false intellectuality. Descartes himself, in working out his physics, was already primarily concerned with extracting from it a system of mechanics, medicine, and morality, and a still greater change came with the spread of the Anglo-Saxon empiricism; moreover, the prestige of science in the eyes of the general public rests almost solely upon the practical results it makes attainable because, here again, it is a question of things that can be seen and touched. We have said that pragmatism represents the final outcome of all the modern philosophy and marks the lowest stage in its decline; but outside the philosophical field there also exists, and has already existed for a long time, a diffused and unsystematized pragmatism which is to philosophical pragmatism what practical materialism is to philosophical materialism, and which merges into what people generally call “common sense.” This almost instinctive utilitarianism is inseparable, moreover, from the materialistic tendency: common sense consists in not venturing beyond the terrestrial horizon, as well as in not paying attention to anything devoid of an immediate practical interest; it is “common sense,” above all, that regards the world of the senses as alone being real and admits of no knowledge beyond what proceeds from the senses; and even this limited degree of knowledge is of value in its eyes only in so far as it allows of satisfying material needs and also sometimes because it feeds a certain kind of sentimentalism, since sentiment, as must be frankly admitted at the risk of shocking contemporary “moralism,” really is very closely related to matter. No room is left in all this for intelligence, except in so far as it may consent to be put to the service of practical ends, acting as a mere instrument subordinated to the requirements of the lowest or corporeal portion of the human individual, “a tool for making tools,” to quote a significant expression of Bergson’s: “pragmatism” in all its forms amounts to a complete indifference to truth.

[Anonymous No.17017039]

>>17016909
Neoliberal capitalism absorbed and commodified human thought and emotion. Classic psychological conditioning found it's home in ad culture and Operant Conditioning it's home in Social Media. This has lead to deep alienation of human life and worldviews similarly schizophrenic as we entertain ourselves with false reality. We're consumers and human capital stock. It can't possibly last...is what we always say...but it can and will even if it costs the avergae man more true internal freedom.

[Anonymous No.17017041]

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[Anonymous No.17017047]

Slow but sure eradication of everything we hold valuable.

[Anonymous No.17017052]

People thought technological hijinks would make people feel more satisfied. They were wrong.

[Anonymous No.17017059]

Modernity is the answer to Fermi's paradox.

[Anonymous No.17017061]

>>17017015
>>17017022
>>17017028
>>17017035
Traditional and Guenonpilled.

[Anonymous No.17017080]

>>17016909
You. You is where modernity went wrong.

[Anonymous No.17017132]

>>17016909
We don't know what our era is defined by until it's too late. I missed most of the "cornerstone" movies and books of the 2010's because there's no way of knowing what shit sticks.

[Anonymous No.17017609]

>>17017015
>>17017022
>>17017028
>>17017035
holy based....

[Anonymous No.17018246]

>>17017061
>b-but we live in the best time in human history
False
The Kali Yuga,prophesised events
In relation to rulers, it lists:

Rulers will become unreasonable: they will levy taxes unfairly.
Rulers will no longer see it as their duty to promote spirituality, or to protect their subjects: they will become a danger to the world.
"At the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respectable gentlemen of the three higher varnas (guna or temperament) and when nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice, even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the supreme chastiser." (Srimad-Bhagavatam (2.7)

Wikipedia doesn't have this but this was also prophesised.
People will start migrating, seeking countries where wheat and barley form the staple food source.

Avarice and wrath will be common. Humans will openly display animosity towards each other. Ignorance of dharma will occur.
Religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy, physical strength and memory diminish with each passing day.
People will have thoughts of murder with no justification and will see nothing wrong in that.
Lust will be viewed as socially acceptable and sexual intercourse will be seen as the central requirement of life.
Sin will increase exponentially, while virtue will fade and cease to flourish.
People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks and drugs.
Gurus will no longer be respected and their students will attempt to injure them. Their teachings will be insulted, and followers of Kama will wrest control of the mind from all human beings.
All the human beings will declare themselves as gods or boon given by gods and make it as a business instead of teachings.
People will no longer get married and live with each other just for sexual pleasure.
Weather and environment will degrade with time and frequent and unpredictable rainfalls will happen.
Earthquakes will be common.
Maximum age of humans will be 50 years by the end of Kali Yuga.
Many fake ideologies will spread throughout the world.
The powerful people will dominate the poor people.
Many diseases will spread.
At the end of Kali Yuga, lord Vishnu will take birth on earth to wipe out the sinners.

This is the most accuarate prediction I've ever seen,can't wait until the methaphorical anti-Christ comes around and destroys modernity,until then,must accelerate,must agitate,and must destabilize.
Humans truly do have a collective subconscious.

[Anonymous No.17018273]

>company needs to expand in a capitalistic system
>waters down product for mass appeal and lower production cost/higher profit
>quality of product goes down

[Anonymous No.17018600]

>>17016923
>and some dude from a cartoon I've never watched.
https://youtu.be/QT13kk8HDDo

[Anonymous No.17019001]

this board needs to relax about modernity, yeah it has some problems but overall it's pretty fun