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17014621 No.17014621 [Reply] [Original]

Is it true that he and other pomos were CIA plants?

>> No.17014625

>>17014621
To what end?

>> No.17014629

>>17014621
I dont know if he was human. But he was not a plant.

>> No.17014630

>>17014625
The CIA considered them anti-marxists and pushed them to drive people away from marxism

>> No.17014631

>>17014621
Nah it was just Marcuse that slimy fucking bastard

>> No.17014639

>>17014630
While they are definitely anti-marxists I think the CIA would promote people like Rothbard instead

>> No.17014669

>>17014621
The only french postmodern bastards that seemed like intelligence plants were the klossowski brothers. One wrote a shit book on Nietzsche that was praised by everyone for no reason, and the other was a modern artfag painting child porn. Both were rich jews of course. I would not be surprised if the others were intelligence plants.

>> No.17014681

>>17014639
Promoting people like Rothbard, an anarchist, would make no sense for the CIA, people like Hayek and Friedman makes more sense.

>> No.17014714

>>17014681
He was just the first libertarian that came to mind, dumb mistake on my part. Unless you don't consider ancaps to be libertarians in which case I guess I could see that but they're both a part of the same general movement.

>> No.17014995

>>17014639
you underestimate how continental the CIA is.

>> No.17015011

Yes

>> No.17015170

The CIA is only good at fucking things up. read Killing Hope

>> No.17015310

>>17014639
>>17014681

Ron Paul went on Firing Line in the 1980s advocating Libertarianism and the destruction of the CIA. Why on Earth would the CIA want the public to adopt this idea?

>> No.17015329

>>17014621
/pol/ coping again?

>> No.17015426

Plants? Unlikely. But it is startlingly conspicuous that notable European homosexuals somehow entered into the American cultural consciousness, and the Academic circles that brought them across the Atlantic were certainly not behaving organically.

>> No.17016779

Secret services and philosophers/intellectuals. Great topic

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/01/arts/julia-kristeva-bulgaria-communist-spy.html

https://jamesfetzer.org/2015/08/quassim-cassam-a-bona-fide-anti-conspiracy-theory-buffoon/

>> No.17016840

>>17014621
>>17014630
This is the correct answer. Look up "Deflection of French Intellectuals" on cia.gov

It is ironic that they pushed Foucault since his philosophy is basically cia & jooz.

>>17014681
The CIA does not make sense if you try to apprehend it from a political perspective, which has been obsolete since WW2 by the way. Political institutions ruling you is false consciousness. Intelligence agencies are cybernetic agencies - they act as catalysis, not archaic top-down hierarchical institutions.

I built my entire understanding of our current society by reading CIA and various intelligence agencies declassified papers. I am baffled that not more people do so; just the manhattan project is a goldmine of information, it has influenced the entire field of managerial economics and engineering. One deep and radical analysis of this project is enough to comprehend the workings of intelligence agencies and the structuration of power in a liberal society. The only people who truly understand the implications of cybernetic agencies are radical french and iranian marxists (the only two relevant countries that don't have US military bases on their soil lol)

>> No.17016853

>>17016840
>just the manhattan project is a goldmine of information, it has influenced the entire field of managerial economics and engineering.

Elaborate.

>> No.17016854

>>17014639
>>17014681
>CIA supporting an ideology that is focused on less government intervention
Do you have any idea how stupid you are?

>> No.17016863

>>17016840
I've read Legacy of Ashes which I thought gave a solid representation of the CIA.

>> No.17016878

>>17014621
I think they were genuine but the CIA did help to promulgate their ideas.

>> No.17016886

>>17016878
The CIA probably didn't touch their ideas until universities started to apply them. Once they were being applied and the CIA saw that these people were unironically against freedom of speech and other tenants of a liberal society, the CIA was all for postmodernism

>> No.17016890

No, because things nowadays are going precisely in the wrong way Foucault warned us about, so if they were trying to sell Foucault to people they either failed spectacularly or didn't actually try.
Also stop believing burgers own the world.

>> No.17016897

Unlike Marcuse, Adorno, and Horkheimer, Foucault and friends did not work for the OSS/CIA, but were investigated and actively promoted in the 70s and 80s, as a way of subverting radical movements in the West. There are plenty of declassified memos and reports on government websites about it.

>> No.17017027

>>17014669
dude wtf is the point of that book on Nietzsche? Tried reading it, made sense first 10-20 pages then just degenerated into meme-tier pomo writing, just stopped reading it in anger

>> No.17017057

>>17014681
that's what they did. promote neoliberalism and set up dictatorships in latin america.

cia promoted neoliberalism mostly. and it's well documented

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

>> No.17017092

>>17014621
Who cares? Rather or not they are the CIA won and these people are the main philosophers of our age.

>> No.17017155

>>17016897
And its going to backfire on them like when the CIA funded Al Qaeda in the 80s. Desirevolution is coming, peace and love baby.

>> No.17017594

>>17017057
Rothbard is not neoliberal, he's classically liberal

>> No.17017611

>>17014681
Anarchists and their modern incarnation "antifa" are no threat, or the NYT, Twitterati, and mainstream TV news wouldn't be praising them. Bernie is more of a threat than antifa anarchists because the NYT only publishes negative dishonest stories attacking Bernie, but always put antifa in a positive light even when they literally murder people in the street. Antifa is straight CIA and no threat to anyone but small businesses.

>> No.17018275

>>17014621
No not really. They were investigated by the cia because they were viewed as dangerous radicals, not to drive people away from Marxism.

>> No.17018316

>>17014621
>During the Schizo Culture conference, when Foucault delivered his paper on infantile sexuality (later to be developed in The History of Sexuality v. 1), he was interrupted by a member of the National Caucus of Labor Committees, a proto-fascist group associated with Lyndon LaRouche. The next morning, during the “Prisons and Asylums” panel with R.D. Laing, Judith Clark and Howie Harp, Foucault was again accused by a heckler in the audience of being in the CIA. This time he was prepared: “You're right. I am paid by the CIA. Roland Laing is paid by the CIA. Sylvère Lotringer is paid by the CIA. The only one in this room not paid by the CIA is you, since you’re paid by the KGB!” Everyone, including the man from LaRouche’s organization, burst out laughing.

>> No.17018358

>>17017027
Nietzsche and the Vicious Circle is very good, especially the chapter on the conspiracy propagated by Nietzsche, though its talk of an impulsive semiotic is complex, and the ultimately message is not clear (not that it simply renounces a message, but rather the stance of the conspiracy in industrial society, as further developed in Living Currency, is what is vague).

>> No.17018359

The idea that the CIA promoted the thought of certain French philosopher as a way to Balkanize the American left requires us to believe that the CIA literally had its own shadow humanities department that was on par with the humanities departments of the major American universities.

The CIA had people read the works of these people to keep tabs on radical intellectuals.

Promoting Foucault as an anti marxist means that they would have needed readers who could discern the deep structures of Foucault’s social ontology, recognize that it supposed an individualist rather than a collectivist logic, predict that it would lead to an anti-solidarity mind set within left social movements, and then implement a plan to spend his writings. And this is all before there is any secondary literature in English and only a small pool of work in French.

That’s not in the usual wheelhouse of intelligence analysts.

>> No.17018375

>>17014621
I suppose it's possible, but it's extremely unlikely
I think Foucault just became a liberal anti-Communist on his own.

>> No.17019951

>>17014621
isn't it weird how the anons can simultaneously believe that the government is necessarily incompetent but the CIA somehow has infinite and godlike powers to implement social policy

>> No.17019966

>>17019951
low iq. read marx and debord, both aren't exclusive, in fact both are necessary under real subsumption.

>> No.17019977

>>17014621
no, their undermining of the french working class comes from the left's sense of betrayal after the union movement failed to support the '68 rioters. this was the beginning of the identification with antiracist and anticolonial struggles in the global south as the true proletariat with the actually existing white proletariat no longer a revolutionary agent. you can still see this formulation in racial debates now, though not quite in those terms

>> No.17019993

>>17019966
except they are. either the state is incompetent or it isn't. if it is, then the CIA will be just another shitty money-wasting bureaucracy. if the CIA is all-powerful with total global reach then that means the government is in fact extremely competent and therefore should be used to solve social problems. the problem with r*ghtoids is that they refuse to choose one

>> No.17020032

Practically anything in this arena is CIA. Including current practitioners.

>> No.17020953

>>17014625
To make marxism unappealing in western europe.
The pushed Eurocommunism for similar reasons.
Eurocommunism was docile and unappealing to the working class.
The flaw in the plan was that they overestimated the intelligence of the Intelligentsia and more of them fell for the shit than they thought. That had snowballed and now we are in the position we are in today.

>> No.17020979

>>17014621
why did he look so weird? it makes me want to kill him

>> No.17020991

>>17017155
You mean the Taliban and nothing backfired. Oswalt and McVeigh weren't backfire either. Nothing happened there that wasn't meant to happen.

>>17019993
"CIA" isn't a closed system and it isn't necessarily the state or a single agency or a single group of people but many players in and out of the the US government, various corporate boards, and foreign nationals. It has nothing to do with pushing ideology but opening various avenues for economic development and protecting those interests. It is the illegal but necessary counterpart to global development.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9XeyBd_IuA

>> No.17021475

>>17019993
The CIA is not a monolith organization. There are many different factions in the CIA all working independently of each other. Some of them represent military interests, others act on cooperate interests. There is an extreme amount of incompetence within the CIA, yet they still are effective in tasks critical to these interests.

>> No.17021483

>>17020979
He's French

>> No.17021489

>>17021483
that explains my anglo bloodlust

>> No.17021490

>>17014621
Seems like a cope to dismiss the potency and success of their ideas, not that they weren't poison.

>> No.17021497

>>17014681
Naive, the aim was to split leftism from within and branch off a Euro-Communism unaligned with the Soviet Union.

>> No.17021498

>>17021489
Why are anglos so evil?
You guys burned a teenage French girl to death too out of spite.

>> No.17021510

>>17021498
have you heard french spoken? have you interacted with these "people?"

>> No.17021606

The more i read about the CIA the more I kinda want to join them just because it sounds so interesting. If I purge my moralfaggottry, it is unironically probably what me and most of /lit/ would like to do.

>> No.17021624

>>17021510
I have once on a layover to the Netherlands. I tried to buy a single croissant and coffee at a kiosk. the guy got annoyed that I didnt buy a chocolate croissant and got pissy that my French was limited to 40 words since I had no intention of being in any majority francophone nation for any more than 4 hours.

>> No.17021626

>>17021606
The /lit/ thing to do would to become a double-double agent for the CIA and also for its enemies just to stir up chaos.