>It's very difficult for me to return to England because, although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears... the gates of England are flooded. The country's been thrown away. Was he based?

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>It's very difficult for me to return to England because, although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears... the gates of England are flooded. The country's been thrown away.

Was he based?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 16:39:43 2020 No.17011555 How did this homosexual pop singer get a Penguin book deal?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 16:39:57 2020 No.17011559 >opposes immigration >immigrates

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 16:42:05 2020 No.17011577

>>17011555
You realize that Morrissey's lyrics are studied at an academic level? He's a poet.

>>17011559
He opposes washing away cultures with mass immigration. Him going to America as an America-loving Anglo is hardly going to hurt American culture is it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 16:44:21 2020 No.17011592 >>17011555 He was a closet Hetero; he only kept up the Homo thing because like the good American he's become he knew it would be bad for sales (given his fan base).

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 16:47:45 2020 No.17011617

I consider myself a racist and a huge fan of Morrissey but at the same time his vegetarianism makes me question every view we happen to share. He is one of the greatest living poets but I cannot give any weight to the political views of a vegetarian, unfortunately. I say this with deep love and respect for this man, who I consider my better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 16:48:55 2020 No.17011627 File: 100 KB, 952x629, 1602787289530.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17011549 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 16:49:06 2020 No.17011629 >>17011617 >racist is this retarded shocking

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 16:52:31 2020 No.17011646 >>17011629 You're very emotional. Those beans don't really supply you with adequate amino acids you know. How is the hairloss today? How is your internal state?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 16:54:02 2020 No.17011660 >>17011592 He's gay. Calling himself "humansexual" is a cope. His first real relationship was with a dude called Jake Owen Walters, at 35.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 16:57:48 2020 No.17011684 >>17011660 Reminder that he was sexually abused as a teenager

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 16:59:00 2020 No.17011693 >>17011617 What about Adolf?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 17:00:20 2020 No.17011702 >>17011617 Vegetarian + Conservative is the ultimate based combo

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 17:01:08 2020 No.17011707 >>17011549 >England is rapidly disappearing under a massive, unending influx of immigrants Yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 17:03:56 2020 No.17011728 >>17011549 https://youtu.be/O1cTiqXWKII >England for the English What did he mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 17:44:10 2020 No.17012026 >>17011660 >humansexual fucking lmao, gotta love moz

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 18:36:22 2020 No.17012333 He and everyone in this thread fell for sensationalist tabloid memes. Pretty disappointing considering his work with The Smiths...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 19:20:53 2020 No.17012647 >>17011577 >I was looking for a job >And then I found a job The stuff of genius.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 19:22:20 2020 No.17012653 Hand in glove The sun shines out of our behinds

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 19:27:09 2020 No.17012692 morrissey is talking out of his ass about "muh islamic britain" while he lives in la and reads shit like paul joseph watson online

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:29:10 2020 No.17013115 >>17011660 >His first real relationship >His first >First There's hope!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:31:10 2020 No.17013124 >>17012653 >Hand in glove >The sun shines out of our behinds This music. I think he read Cervantes. >This one is different because it's US

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:31:35 2020 No.17013125 >>17013115 He probably had sex before, just never dated anybody.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:43:30 2020 No.17013196

>>17013125
>He probably had sex before, just never dated anybody.
That's what I meant (so, so).
I mean if a guy like him also faced this kind of trouble so I might eventually "make it" as well.
Also, is surprising that even after the fame he didn't settled with somebody. He might have had people of both genders jumping on him, you know. So, what kind of fucked up is him?
I wanna learn something about his psyche. I've heard he's kinda cunt, is it true?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:04:09 2020 No.17013304 >>17013125 I'm pretty sure he was celebate up until then. The guy was a pop star who had legions of proto-arthoes begging for him but chose to soar above them. He was very picky I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:08:32 2020 No.17013330 >>17013304 He said that he often felt attracted to people who didn't like him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:12:55 2020 No.17013352 >>17011549 This is why I prefer Pink Floyd over the shit smiths. Pink Floyd was anti-racist. I’m going to go listen to some Pink Floyd now.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:21:14 2020 No.17013407

>>17013196
Every major artist is "kind of a cunt". Morrissey's disdain for mainstream music is evident in his teenage letters to a penpal and his first songs (Hang the DJ). This anger of the cultural outsider meant he also fell out with other people (I remember one famous female singer whose name I can't recall told an audience once that she congratulated him on his recent album or something and he just walked past and said "what the fuck do you know?"). He has always promoted lesser-known musicians (e.g. bradford, The Smokin' Popes, to name a couple) and has himself always produced music which is both relatable to the average person but also distinctly his own along with all the controversy or lack of "appeal" such music has to the guys who tell radio DJs what to play to retain their commercial audience. When you are someone like Morrissey, who reads a lot, listens to an immensely wide variety of music, really thinks about issues which are unglamorous and is also wholly himself rather than a typical "teen idol", "ladies man", "rude rock&roller", etc then he is naturally going to have a lot of anger for lesser musicians who simply play along with the system and get air time as a result.

He first had sex in his 30s I think (from his autobio) with a man. On the sexual side of things, he is clearly someone who is rather avoidant and content with his own company, and feels nauseated y the scripted "male breadwinner with a photograph of the smiling family on the mantlepiece" meme. The fact his parents divorced and he remained close to his mother likely contributed to his shyness and sort of empathy towards women which precluded him acting like some kind of lothario, especially in working class Manchester where a sensitive, introverted kid had not much chance of that role anyway.

Ultimately, you either "get" him or you don't. If his lifestyle choice confuses you or causes you to suspect him of being sinister, I suspect you don't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:26:03 2020 No.17013444 > Born to working-class Irish immigrants in Davyhulme, Lancashire, Morrissey grew up in nearby Manchester. lol his parents were potato niggers who had immigrated to England.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:26:40 2020 No.17013453 morrissey was obsessed with oscar wilde

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:28:09 2020 No.17013460

>>17013407
>The fact his parents divorced and he remained close to his mother likely contributed to his shyness and sort of empathy towards women which precluded him acting like some kind of lothario

In others that sort of situation is exactly what causes contempt for women later on in their life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:28:28 2020 No.17013462 >>17012692 This reads like a snarky left-wing twitter post, please stop having opinions

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:28:31 2020 No.17013463 >>17011549 Muslims outbredding the anglos is fine since they're just anglos and not people

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:29:11 2020 No.17013469 >>17013444 Strange how he clings to an idea of "Englishness" when he wasn't really English to begin with, and has lived in America for a large portion of his life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:34:18 2020 No.17013502 >>17013407 Good post

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:37:11 2020 No.17013514 >>17013469 I’m convinced most Englishman today are mostly Irish who had immigrated to England in the 19th century. Look at the Beatles. Nearly all Irish.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:38:07 2020 No.17013521 >>17013444 >lol his parents were potato niggers who had immigrated to England. Why all your best writers are irish, british boys? How can they excell in your language even while being hungry? If you feed them properly they might run your country.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:38:27 2020 No.17013523 >>17011559 And?

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:45:58 2020 No.17013578

>>17013453
>morrissey was obsessed with oscar wilde
A dread sunny day
so I meet at the cemetry gates
Keats and Yeats are your side
But you loose
coz weird lover Wilde is on mine

What I find weird is that even then he "didn't knew" he was gay. I mean, c'mon, who more might be that much of a fanboy of THAT guy?

Can you lie that much to yourself?
Should I worry? Kek

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:49:13 2020 No.17013602

>>17012333
What are you talking about? There's almost no advantage to allowing non-white immigrants into white dominated countries for anyone but the immigrants themselves. Except for charity there's no good reason to open your borders, and that kind of dramatically sacrificial charity should at least be consensual, but it never is, despite media, politicians, and schools pushing it on citizens from birth

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:53:48 2020 No.17013628

>>17013602
>What are you talking about? There's almost no advantage to allowing non-white immigrants into white dominated countries for anyone but the immigrants themselves.
You need someone to do your unwanted jobs for ridiculous low wages
(for your standarts).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:57:37 2020 No.17013647 >>17013460 Have you heard his songs, e.g. Kick the bride Down the Aisle?

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:05:38 2020 No.17013669

>>17013602
well the more people there's in your country the more workers there are which drives the economy further, the more people there are the more people are buying producs good and services in the stores of your country which also moves the economy further.
or what are you some fucking communist who wants the state to decide what workers can the bussineses hire and where can people come and go.
i say let them come and let the free market sort them out

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:11:52 2020 No.17013703

>>17013628
No, any necessary but traditionally undesirable jobs that can't be automated should be part of our education. Instead of being taught that flooding our countries with violent, ugly, artistically dim, and small-souled immigrants we should be taught how to take care of our own countries, communities, families, and ourselves, and be proud of it

But when people learn to take care of themselves (grow and hunt food, and build and maintain shelter and transportation), there aren't many actual necessary jobs left. And any job that's intrinsically harmful to health or the soul can be given to violent criminals. No need to import

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:18:40 2020 No.17013762 >>17012692 How is he wrong?

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:22:31 2020 No.17013782

>>17013669
>well the more people there's in your country the more workers there are which drives the economy further, the more people there are the more people are buying producs good and services in the stores of your country which also moves the economy further.
The more people in your country (especially non-white): less land, and land is more expensive; more pollution; more congestion; more crime; natural resources more scarce; detrimental to country's cohesion; detrimental to culture and the arts; increased employment competition creates worse work conditions and wages; politics/policies skew toward immigrant desires, all of which tend to run counter to previous majority population; eventual transformation of country into something that more closely resembles countries that non-white immigrants were desperately trying to escape

But you're right that more immigration means that the richest citizens become richer. Worth it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:55:42 2020 No.17013928 >>17013124 He read many things but many of his greatest lines came straight out of 60s kitchen sink cinema

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:57:39 2020 No.17013934

>>17013628
You reveal how privileged and out of touch with the working class you are by parroting the neoliberal meme that such a thing as an "unwanted job" exists. The poor want to work, if you had ever been poor you would know any job is better than no job. Immigrants are scabs.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:04:28 2020 No.17013968

>>17013703
>>17013782
>>17013934
Hmm, I agree with much of what you're saying, but why are you taking out your frustrations on the immigrants themselves? Wouldn't it make more sense to direct your anger to your leaders who imported them? I mean, if you were such a great and noble race, then why were your white leaders so corrupt to sacrifice their own working class? Why were they so inept and callous?
Maybe you're not as great as you think you are?
Regardless, I agree that homogeneous societies tend to be higher trust and more peaceful in general. A lot of second-generation immigrants acknowledge this too when they become older and start to realize something is amiss.
Anyways, we both know your leaders didn't open border "out of the goodness of their hearts", so cut that crap. I think it's pretty low IQ to open up borders to war-torn countries, or anyone for that matter, and accept hordes of low-class migrants.
"The white man opens up his borders and cries out in pain when he inevitably gets a shit ton of rapists and monsters."

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:07:22 2020 No.17013987 >>17013968 You gotta be subtler if you wanna bait, mon nègre.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:12:04 2020 No.17014019

>>17013987
I hate blacks more than you in all likelihood since I had to shoot one in self-defense.
I'm not trying to be subtle. I am very direct and honest. The reality is your leaders don't give two shits about you, so they were willing to sacrifice their own working class for greater profit and power.
I agreed that a relatively homogeneous society is more preferable, since it leads to higher trust and order. However, I don't see how you're a superior people given such a grave mistake...
If anything, the immigrants destabilizing your culture are a symptom of a deeper problem, which has basis in your own ineptitude in removing traitorous leaders.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:13:06 2020 No.17014023 >>17014019 >ineptitude in at*

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:14:12 2020 No.17014031

>>17013987
I’m not him but how is it bait? You can’t admit to yourself how cucked you are by your own masters that you’re afraid to even look at them in accusation? And so you look at any other direction, oh it must be the negroes, the muslims, the immigrants. It can’t possibly be the masters I worship and sacrifice my blood and time for every day. It just can’t.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:26:02 2020 No.17014071 >>17013968 You're right but the problem isn't a lack of greatness it's being sold out by the political class as you said.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:30:29 2020 No.17014090

>>17014071
I would suspect a great race to take certain preventive measures to ensure they wouldn't be sold out by their own political class. If you were so great, why could you not preempt this? Maybe some humility is in order?
I agree with desiring a homogeneous society since historically speaking that was the norm and led to more stability overall. I don't agree with your race being superior though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:36:49 2020 No.17014125 >>17011577 >academic level implying that means anything lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:30:50 2020 No.17014402 morrisey is an autistic faggot hypocrite one moment talks about how he dislikes foreigners then the next about how he hates racism retard tier

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:31:10 2020 No.17014404

>>17013968
>but why are you taking out your frustrations on the immigrants themselves?
I'm not. They're doing what they think is best for themselves and their families, which is exactly what they should be doing
>Wouldn't it make more sense to direct your anger to your leaders who imported them?
Yes
>then why were your white leaders so corrupt to sacrifice their own working class?
It's a combination of a lot of things. Greed, idealism, altruism, indoctrination, non-white influence. I can go into detail, but you probably already have a sense for most motivations and causes

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:49:17 2020 No.17014487 >>17014090 Historical illiteracy : the post

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:49:42 2020 No.17014492

>>17014404
>altruism
I disagree. Your leaders are not altruistic at all. They're just doing it for their own self-interest. For example, one reason, out of many, they accept hordes of immigrants is to destroy worker's unions. It falls into corporatist agenda. Their goal is to spread capital at all costs.
>non-white influence
If you're referring to Jewish meddling, perhaps you are correct. However, I would expect "superior" white people to not fall for their petty tricks. Pretty pathetic to be completely undermined by "non-white influence", but I don't agree that's the main reason.
>Greed
This is the main reason, ultimately speaking. Your leaders make Faustian pacts with whoever they can benefit from, and they are willing to sacrifice even their lower class kin. To be honest, there's nothing unprecedented about this.
>They're doing what they think is best for themselves and their families, which is exactly what they should be doing
In my own personal view, it is unethical for men who have no ancestral ties in lands to have children with native women. This is because in most Indo-European ancient epics and myths, which suffuse language, patrilineal lineage is considered immensely important to one's identity. I do not personally find it unethical to sterilize foreigners, but I do find it unethical to kill them or bar them from the arts or sciences once they settle on the lands. If you were to pass a law for sterilizing foreigners, then it would fix most of your issues. However, it seems you prefer to take out your frustrations on the symptom rather than the cause.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:52:00 2020 No.17014506 >>17014487 How is my post historically illiterate? Most long-lived societies have been genetically homogeneous. Having foreign men take your women as brides introduces a lot of tensions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:56:15 2020 No.17014834 >>17012647 The classics

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:31:03 2020 No.17014987 >>17011577 Then we really are lost

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:40:13 2020 No.17015467

Whenever you're talking about immigration and someone says this

>You need someone to do your unwanted jobs for ridiculous low wages (>>17013628)

Just give up. They grasping at straws. People have been doing their own jobs for hundreds of years and now these people think we need to import Jamals to clean our toilets.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:56:58 2020 No.17015536 >>17012647 Yes. He was looking for something, and then he found it, but also found that this was not what he needed to feel fulfilled. He just exchanged the gulty of being a dead weight to the feeling of tiredness of a boring work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 07:12:33 2020 No.17016150 >>17015467 The NHS and care industry would collapse without immigrants

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 07:40:49 2020 No.17016265 >>17016150 no it wouldn't because there would be fewer natives needing treatment who is feeding you this propaganda?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 07:55:24 2020 No.17016342 >>17011646 I haven't eaten meat in 3 years and I bet I bench more than you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:02:33 2020 No.17016369 >and if there's someone somewhere, with a big nose who knows

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:02:40 2020 No.17016370

>>17013703
>(grow and hunt food
Have you ever been to Britain? What are people going to hunt, sparrows? There is less wild land in Britain than anywhere else in Europe, (other than Ireland), and the vast majority of people don't have access to nearly enough land to grow anything more than some lettuce leaves or chillis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:05:36 2020 No.17016382 >>17014125 >t. never went to uni but thinks it's useless because of what right wing Youtubers have said

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:05:36 2020 No.17016383 >>17013628 retard, no Companies use immigrants as low wage workers. Companies would be forced to pay whites more if not for immigrantts

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:06:15 2020 No.17016387

>>17015536
>He was looking for something, and then he found it, but also found that this was not what he needed to feel fulfilled. He just exchanged the gulty of being a dead weight to the feeling of tiredness of a boring work.
This. Any NEET can relate.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:26:27 2020 No.17016965

>>17016370
>no space
That's why you don't do this:
>14% of the UK’s population, or 9.5 million people
The size of the foreign-born population in the UK increased from about 5.3 million in 2004 to almost 9.5 million in 2019
Deport, stop bringing more people, and have less babies until the landmass can comfortably support the native population again. It's so obvious, ridiculous, and tragic

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:30:12 2020 No.17016981 >>17011577 >studied at an academic level So is Kendrick Lamar, what's your point.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:33:19 2020 No.17016997 >>17016383 University are just the tool the working class uses to surpress people with higher sensibilities.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:38:04 2020 No.17017020 >>17011559 he emigrated. retard. in america he is an immigrant. he emigrated from the UK.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:42:24 2020 No.17017044 >>17011627 super comfy

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:46:30 2020 No.17017063

>>17016965
Better land management and a concerted effort on rewilding and improving ecology over profit would do just as much good in my oppinion. So much land is used up on animal agriculture, so eating less meat as a nation would help a lot. Extra things like promoting community gardens, creation of woodlands, and non-animal graing pastures would all help too.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:50:18 2020 No.17017079

>muh he hate immigrants but he EMIGRATE, pretty hipocrytical, huh?
FUCK OFF. Anyone who "hates immigrants" is actually talking about non-white immigrants. Stop pretending you dont know that.
Nobody complains about white immigrants, ever.
(not since the 1800's, at least).

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:54:16 2020 No.17017097 >>17016981 only because he represents black culture and it is very "in" these days to do black studies Morrissey was studied in a time where the only other people taken seriously were people like Byron and Keats

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:55:05 2020 No.17017102

>>17013602
This obsession with whiteness is insane. Indian and Chinese immigrants to the UK do much better economically and academically than the native White British population. Apart from this, they have enriched the culinary tradition of Britain so much that curry and Chinese food are essential to British cuisine and culture, favourites of the working class white Briton that Morrissey drools over. Pakistanis may do worse on the other hand but we have to remember why there is such a large Pakistani minority in Britain in the first place: we invited them after the war and subsequently in order to perform cheap labour, the benefit they brought to revitalising the British economy after WW2 is incalculable. And what about the White non-British immigrant? A sizeable minority of immigrants in the UK are from countries such as Poland and Lithuania, and this group is renown for basically dominating the construction industry in this country. They might be genetically closer to Britons than non-whites but they are still foreigners with different cultures and ideals at the end of the day, but you don’t focus on them.
Honestly it seems like you’re a deracinated American who comes from a mix of European ethnicities which means you can’t cling onto being a pureblooded “Irish”, “German”, “British”, or “Italian”, like people in Europe do, and so you’ve created this identity of “whiteness” which you’re now trying to push onto European society where it doesn’t apply.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:55:19 2020 No.17017104 File: 85 KB, 680x453, 1598473843786.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17017079 t. based department, redpilled unit

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:59:06 2020 No.17017124 >>17017102 this anon was grown in a test tube in some secret new labour laboratory right after blair's victory

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:01:42 2020 No.17017140

>>17017079
>Nobody complains about white immigrants, ever.
Ask East Asians about white Thailand sex tourists.
Watch documentaries about West-Germans hating East-Germans immigrating during the early 90s.
Do a survey on how Londoners feel about Polish immigrants.
Think of the Irish in 19th century New York.
Add countries where white immigrants won't immigrate to for political reasons.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:10:48 2020 No.17017193 >>17017140 >tourists that moves the economy and are ungratefuly hated (the hookers may love them tho) >exception >polish >exception >intrinsically exception

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:13:29 2020 No.17017212

>>17017193
>nonwhite immigrants provide a boost to the economybut they still shouldn't be allowed in because of cultural reasons
>it's okay for whites to go to Thailand and use the country's poverty to create a culture of prostitution because after all they "move the economy"

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:15:31 2020 No.17017220

>>17015536
Oh damn. Oh. Damn. Damn oh. D A M N. I totally get it now. It's genius because it baits you into identifying with this idea that achieving x will grant you fulfillment, then punishes your naivete by showing that x is ultimately pointless, because you will always be disappointed by something else.
Now that you mention it, you can really see the influence that insight has had on later generations, like that famous stanza by the Scottish poet G. Roundskeeper-Willie:
>The Englishmen took all our women
>which was bad.
>Then they gave them back
>which was WORSE.
He does the same thing, y'see: he sets up this idea that the feelings of humilliation, loneliness and sorrow tied to the loss of their families are the root of his ancestors' unhappiness, then immediately digs deeper into their nature by pointing out that they were already unhappy, due to the stress and shallowness of domestic life. In doing so, he actually weaves a meditation on each man's individual desire for solitude with the denounce of a societal issue: the organization of traditional households.
Fucking Morrissey, man. He opened the way for some truly amazing thinkers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:17:07 2020 No.17017234 >>17011646 You can still get those amino acids from eggs and dairy, right? t. non-vegetarian

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:17:28 2020 No.17017237 >>17017220 this but unironically

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:28:09 2020 No.17017299 >>17016981 Kendrick's lyricism is fucking top-notch though, what are you getting at? This is ill-disguised wanking to established tradition. New- and Pop-culture aren't inherently lesser for having been created within living memory.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:29:40 2020 No.17017305 >>17017212 >nonwhite immigrants provide a boost to the economy No. And comparing tourism with mass immigration is hilariously stupid.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:30:08 2020 No.17017310

>>17017299
Only someone who hasn't read real poetry or hasn't appreciated it can say that Kendrick or Morrissey are great lyricists who deserve to be studied in academia. Read Byron's 'The Prisoner of Chillon' and compare it with anything these two plebs ever wrote.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:32:56 2020 No.17017326 >>17017305 >No. Oh, so you're basically clueless then?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:33:55 2020 No.17017334 >>17013628 the reason those wages are low in the first place is due to automation, monopolization, and mass immigration inflating supply/demand for work but of course, modern left-wingers are nothing more but hyper-capitalist shills

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:34:04 2020 No.17017337

>>17017220
In fact, you could even argue G. Roundskeeper-Willie doesn't even come close to Morrissey, despite being one of the best poets of his generation. He has to make his pain explicit (which was bad - which was worse), whereas if he was truly on par with t h e M o z he could've expressed it just with the odd verses (They took our women - then they gave them back).
Such power, man. You can really feel the tiredness in those second lines that are just mirror opposites of the first ones. Like:
>I wanted to have fuck
>and then I had fuck
Or:
>I wanted to have lunch
>and then I had lunch
Or even:
>I wanted to be published
>And then I was published

>And everyone knows I'm insufferable now
>In my life
>Why do I try?
>I can't even pull my head
>Out of my ass

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:36:27 2020 No.17017345 >>17017310 The idea that Kendrick and Byron are even trying to do the same thing is a moronic false equivalence. Are you actually this pretentious in real life or do you just turn it on for /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:36:51 2020 No.17017349 I mean yes but British culture isn't really a thing anymore anyways, every person I know just drinks, has sex and calls other people wankers

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:37:07 2020 No.17017353 >>17012647 >pick out one line from entire corpus and use it to shit on author reddit-tier analysis

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:38:18 2020 No.17017358 >>17017102 >muh food every time

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:43:15 2020 No.17017379

>>17017345
It's not a pretence. I enjoy rap music sometimes as a guilty pleasure, at least I did in my teens, but to call it anything more than the product of an ignorant, deprived, and uneducated subculture, to associate it with art, to study it in universities, is absurd. There is no feeling, no emotion, no philosophy, no depth, nothing that would make you weep or become pensive like a poem can do. It's just a bunch of aggressive people from poor backgrounds shouting on a microphone about how richer, more violent, and more sexually successful they are than "you".

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:44:54 2020 No.17017382

>>17017102
>Indian and Chinese immigrants to the UK do much better economically and academically than the native White British population.
Doesn't matter. They destroyed the culture.
>Apart from this, they have enriched the culinary tradition of Britain so much that curry and Chinese food are essential to British cuisine and culture
Nobody would better cuisine for all the shit that comes with immigration. Ridiculous argument - Asian immigrants lower quality of life in every part of the UK where they form a large proportion of the population.
>Pakistanis ... benefit they brought to revitalising the British economy after WW2 is incalculable.
They also brought in grooming and crime.
> And what about the White non-British immigrant? ... you don’t focus on them.
Because they generally integrate and don't erode the culture with Islamic practices.
>...you’ve created this identity of “whiteness”
It has nothing to do with whiteness, it has to do with culture. White cultures are compatible. Asian cultures are not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:45:04 2020 No.17017383 >>17017353 Don't worry, I'll be sure to dissect the entire Smiths discography if I ever set out to publish a peer-reviewed paper on Morrissey's lyrics. In the meantime, one line is good enough for me to have fun here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:45:56 2020 No.17017388 >>17017383 I've never listened to his music lmao.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:49:18 2020 No.17017397 >>17017388 I didn't even know he was a musician, I thought the only thing he'd done was that sitcom, Men behaving badly.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:50:06 2020 No.17017403

>>17017379
It's not a pretence. I enjoy Byron's poetry sometimes as a guilty pleasure, at least I did in my teens, but to call it anything more than the product of an ignorant, sheltered, and pretentious subculture, to associate it with art, to study it in universities, is absurd. There is no feeling, no emotion, no philosophy, no depth, nothing that would make you weep or become pensive like a song can do. It's just a bunch of aggressive people from rich backgrounds writing on a piece of paper about how manlier, more tormented, and more sexually promiscuous they are than "you".

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:50:31 2020 No.17017405

>>17017349
>I mean yes but x culture isn't really a thing anymore anyways, every person I know just drinks, has sex and calls other people (slur)
very insightful anon, with that kind of reasoning I can see you'd make it far in university
for some reason this shit is only said about Europeans, very curious

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:51:43 2020 No.17017409
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>>17017403
>It's not a pretence. I enjoy Byron's poetry sometimes as a guilty pleasure, at least I did in my teens, but to call it anything more than the product of an ignorant, sheltered, and pretentious subculture, to associate it with art, to study it in universities, is absurd. There is no feeling, no emotion, no philosophy, no depth, nothing that would make you weep or become pensive like a song can do. It's just a bunch of aggressive people from rich backgrounds writing on a piece of paper about how manlier, more tormented, and more sexually promiscuous they are than "you".

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:52:20 2020 No.17017413 >>17011559 He’s an Anglo, so he’s welcome in the U.S., which is a country founded but Anglos.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:56:07 2020 No.17017441

>>17017358
Nice, you picked out one sentence of the whole argument and couldn't even respond to it.
>>17017382
Do you want to substantiate the claim that Chinese and Indian immigrants "destroyed the culture" of Britain? Again, they perform better than native White Britons under every single metric you can think of: crime, academic success, economic productivity, anything. You also say "Asian immigrants" dishonestly because then you can pull out statistics about Pakistanis, who I already said perform badly, while grouping in Indians and Chinese, so that you can make them all look bad. Unfortunately the world is more complex than that.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:56:51 2020 No.17017447

>>17017102
why do you people always pretend it's about le food
>mexicans in the US? it's okay, cuz tacos
>pakis in the UK? it's okay, cuz curry
>somalians in Italy? it's okay, I guess
>algerians in France? ehhh they deserve it
you like the idea of Europe being flooded and the working class being eroded, that's it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:58:04 2020 No.17017453 >>17017403 Yes, Byron, the poet/man-of-action/prolific traveller/soldier was so sheltered anon.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:59:35 2020 No.17017463

>>17017441
>hey perform better than native White Britons
that's because native white britons are the vast majority, while immigrants from china and india are a selected minority of their respective countries who have enough money and resources to move to the UK, they are not representatives of their countries' average
why do you accuse the other anon of "dishonestly" representing data while you are guilty of the same thing? what makes you resentful against white britons

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:59:52 2020 No.17017468 >>17017447 Are you retarded? The culinary point was one sentence of my entire argument.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:00:44 2020 No.17017474 >>17017468 yeah, and it's a retarded point if you're aware that it's retarded, why did you write it anyway you stupid faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:01:19 2020 No.17017478 >>17017102 muh food. its bait at this point

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:02:01 2020 No.17017484 File: 56 KB, 621x702, vO7lRZ7.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17017468 >Are you retarded? The culinary point was one sentence of my entire argument.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:03:13 2020 No.17017490 >>17017463 How is this relevant at all to the discussion? Who was talking about them being "representative of their countries' average"? We are talking about immigrants in the UK, not the average of their homelands. What even is your point here lmao.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:03:32 2020 No.17017493 >>17017234 We're omnivores. Get over it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:03:58 2020 No.17017495 >>17017102 >i'm such a foodie you guys, love that yummy ethnic spicy cuisine :)

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:04:49 2020 No.17017497

>>17017474
How is it retarded? Indian and Chinese immigrants have enriched the culture of Britain, and the culinary influence is one obvious example of that which everyone can relate to. The deeper cultural influences are hard to quantify, as everyone knows, so that is why people point to food.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:05:08 2020 No.17017499 >>17017212 >muh economy >complete fucking strawman Has to be bait.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:05:13 2020 No.17017500

>>17017441
I replied to you because you sounded semi-intelligent, but clearly I was wrong and you're just another cherry picking fool. When I talk of erosion of British culture by Asian immigrants you know full well I am talking about immigrants from Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka and other Islamic countries (including Turkey). These are the ones who don't integrate, who bring in backward traditions, and who's beliefs are not compatible with ours. I. Don't. Give. A. Fuck. About. Statistics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:06:44 2020 No.17017511 >>17017497 >is one obvious example you mean the only example >of that which everyone can relate to. >implyin piss off poofta

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:07:31 2020 No.17017516 >>17017500 >India is an Islamic country Man you are dumb. I guess this is the superiority of the White Briton shining through.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:07:59 2020 No.17017520 >>17017500 >the only way you can eat chinese food is to import a million chinese into your country

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:08:19 2020 No.17017522
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>>17017463
Not resentful of White Britons but resentful of scrubs, criminals and brainless- all are a much great drain on our society than the transgressions made by immigrants (mostly imagined and played up to get morons to vote for warlord capitalists interests against their own.)

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:08:24 2020 No.17017523

>>17017453
Byron was most certainly sheltered given he was the son of nobleman and was filthy fucking rich.
Or are you willingly ignoring his almost legendary amount of money he squandered left and right? In fact he even boasted about it.
>Soldier
He was a LARPer at best, don't kid yourself.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:09:30 2020 No.17017533

>>17017102
>Indian and Chinese immigrants to the UK do much better economically and academically than the native White British population.
Because those immigrants are the top 1% of their gene pool for intelligence. You're a liar and a genocidal piece of shit. Economic performance doesn't justify the extinction of an ethnic group IN THEIR OWN HOMELAND.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:09:53 2020 No.17017536 >>17017516 >complains about cherrypicking about le food >proceeds to cherrypick about India not being a Muslim country >India having more than 195 million muslims doesnt matter though lol neck yourself

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:11:20 2020 No.17017547 >>17017522 >Not resentful of White Britons >I guess this is the superiority of the White Briton shining through. >Not resentful of White Britons you neurotic little fuck HAHAAHAHA

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:12:52 2020 No.17017557

>>17017500
Why do these South Asian immigrants' children outperform whites throughout their education? It seems they want to integrate and work hard - unlike a lot of brainlet whites. "Fuck school" is a kind of attitude that is detrimental to social cohesion and out culture of innovation.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:14:33 2020 No.17017567

>>17017536
The vast majority of the Indians in the UK are Hindus or a-religious. That isn't the point though. Indians in the UK commit less crime, are more economically productive, and are more academically successful than native White Britons. There is nothing you can say against them that isn't "I don't want you here because of your race".

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:16:44 2020 No.17017576

I think you're all Jews or crypto Jews because I gave the solution here, yet you refused to address it. You are all idiots and going to hell because you choose to take out your aggression at the wrong source of the problem. Here is the solution:
>In my own personal view, it is unethical for men who have no ancestral ties in lands to have children with native women. This is because in most Indo-European ancient epics and myths, which suffuse language, patrilineal lineage is considered immensely important to one's identity. I do not personally find it unethical to sterilize foreigners, but I do find it unethical to kill them or bar them from the arts or sciences once they settle on the lands. If you were to pass a law for sterilizing foreigners, then it would fix most of your issues. However, it seems you prefer to take out your frustrations on the symptom rather than the cause.
Now kill yourselves, morons.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:17:05 2020 No.17017578 He was obsessed with Oscar Wilde, although I don’t consider him one of the better “literary type” musicians. I don’t think he was on the same level as Jim Morrison, Ian Curtis etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:17:51 2020 No.17017583 >>17017533 ***top 1% of the Indian and Chinese gene pool, I meant. Fuck. Why do i get so angry at retards online? I guess because they're the same retards ruining things in real life.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:20:12 2020 No.17017597

>>17017533
>Because those immigrants are the top 1% of their gene pool for intelligence
So what's your point?
>Y-y-yeah but they're actually inferior because if you look at the average of the country they came from it's actually worse haha so we're better actually.
Yeah but we're talking about immigrants, not the average of the fucking country they came from. I suppose your racist head can't separate an individual from the average of his homeland.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:20:38 2020 No.17017598

>>17017583
Why don't you just work to pass a law to ban foreigners from having children on your lands? Oh that's right, you're a Jew in mentality and spirit. Worship a Jew for thousands of years, become a Jew.
You just want to stir up drama because you are a pathetic and feeble man in spirit.
It's a simple and elegant solution, moron.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:22:40 2020 No.17017610 >>17017463 >>17017490 >>17017522 >>17017583 >>17017597 look up reduction to the mean prole from outliers goes back to the average on subsequent generations, i.e. the country of origin

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:23:13 2020 No.17017612
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>>17017567
>Indians in the UK commit less crime
Wrong. Also grooming gangs are exclusively from SE Asian countries.

>There is nothing you can say against them that isn't "I don't want you here because of your race".
It's not about race Jamal, it's about Asian culture destroying British culture and making everyone here feel miserable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:23:44 2020 No.17017614 >>17017583 >Why do i get so angry at retards online? I guess because they're the same retards ruining things in real life he's talking to himself now, holy shit youok there bud? neurotic little fag

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:23:59 2020 No.17017617

>>17017597
Both of you shut the fuck up. Neither of you are intelligent or aware enough to understand the nature of the problem and come to an elegant solution because you are subhumans compared to my majesty. I gave the solution. My opinion and mind is more valuable than yours too, so you should shut up.
The solution is to ban foreigners from procreating on your lands. Whether they choose to settle or not is irrelevant then. It is a simple solution and fixes all problems within a generation or two.
You have shit minds that choose to make matters more convoluted than they need to be. In fact, your entire philosophical legacies is trash because you make matters more convoluted than they need to be and refuse to come to elegant solutions the way I have. I am superior to you in all regards, so you should value my opinion as if it came from a God because that is what I am compared to your feeble shit selves.
You should be on your knees thanking me for such an elegant solution.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:24:11 2020 No.17017619 >>17017598 >Why don't you just work to pass a law to ban foreigners from having children on your lands? Because it's inhuman, not realistic and also fucking retarded, Evola-kun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:24:42 2020 No.17017624 >>17017612 >Asian >Includes Pakistanis with Indians to make a claim about Indians Fucking retard. Just kill yourself at this point.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:25:09 2020 No.17017631 >>17017597 My point is Indians aren't superior to Brits like you imply, you smug little faggot. And you still haven't justified the extinction of British ethnic groups, dipshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:25:14 2020 No.17017632 >>17017624 This guy has got to be Indian

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:26:22 2020 No.17017641 >>17017617 >mind is more mind are more* >>17017619 There's nothing inhumane about it.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:26:49 2020 No.17017643

>>17017631
>My point is Indians aren't superior to Brits like you imply,
I never said they were superior I said a very specific and true thing: Ie. Indian immigrants in the UK commit less crime, are more economically and academically successful, and so there is no cause to hate them that is not born of pure racism. That is what I said you utter moron.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:27:45 2020 No.17017652 >>17017624 To be honest buddy I'll take Indians over Pakis any day but still your reluctance to show any respect to British culture makes you just as undesirable

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:28:07 2020 No.17017657

>>17017631
You are a moron who pisses away his time debating rather than actually achieving something. I gave you the solution, but you don't value what I have to say. Go take action to ban foreigners from procreating on your lands. It is a simple, peaceful, and elegant solution, you dumb cunt. Go start a political organization centered on this view.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:28:13 2020 No.17017658 >>17017610 I understand all of these concepts but none of them apply here because your retarded argument has to ignore so many other relevant variables (as you fucking know unless you are an actual brainlet.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:29:00 2020 No.17017664 >>17017641 It absolutely is inhuman, and it's also incredibly dangerous, there is a reason fucking nobody did, not even the romans with their love for eunuchs and the likes. You're dead, Evola, and you still can't spell english, go back.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:30:36 2020 No.17017670

>>17017567
>Indians in the UK commit less crime, are more economically productive, and are more academically successful than native White Britons
Bro I just looked this up. It's true that Pakistanis, Bangladeshi etc are a huge burden on the benefit system but not Indians
Kinda based... sorry for my mistake

Next time I see a brown person I'll make sure they are not an Indian before insulting them

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:30:52 2020 No.17017673

Whether a group of peoples is more intelligent or not has no bearing on the nature of this issue, you dumb cunt.
You are all lousy thinkers compared to me. You are all going to hell.
I gave the solution, so you should discuss that instead of dwelling on irrelevant topics like average IQ or other Jew'd topics.
Ban foreigners from procreating on your lands. Why? Because patrilineal identity is considered important in most myths and epics, and they suffuse language in the form of metaphors and more. It is not possible to dismiss how important patrilineal descent is to one's ethnic identity.
Whether x or y foreign group is superior or inferior shouldn't matter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:31:36 2020 No.17017677 >>17017643 Replacement of Englishmen is the reason to hate them, you fucktard mouth breathing genocidal libshit. Calling it "muh racims" is pretty fucking disingenuous. You're trying to delegitimize real concerns by reducing them to a single word.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:31:39 2020 No.17017679

>>17014402
how do the two not mesh? are all chinese japanese and koreans racist because they don't let in foreigners? you can want to preserve your countries homogeneity while not being racist. I guess a more apt term would be culturalist

btw I think Morrissey is a cunt but I still love him

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:32:00 2020 No.17017681 >>17017673 >Ban foreigners from procreating on your lands You are delusional if you think this is going to happen in the UK, where 50% of people love immigrants and want open borders.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:33:29 2020 No.17017687

>>17017664
Many cultures have done it, morons. In fact, it was common to throw rapebabies down cliffs, and I see no moral issues with it. In my own ancient country's heritage, it was common to do this.
Foreign men should not procreate in other nations. Many ancient IE myths/epics warn about this too.
There is nothing unethical with euthanizing/killing foreign babies.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:33:42 2020 No.17017689 [DELETED]

>>17017643
Not to mention the fact that the only reason they fled to England is that their own country is too fucked up to live in. So not only are they of a generally inferior stock, they themselves are cowards who fled their countrymen. More reason to hate them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:35:40 2020 No.17017710 >>17017643 Not to mention, the only reason they fled to England is that their own country is too fucked up to live in. So not only are they of a generally inferior stock, they themselves are cowards who fled their countrymen. More reason to hate them.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:35:50 2020 No.17017712

>>17017687
>Many cultures have done it, morons.
Such as?
>it was common to throw rapebabies down cliffs
Fucking retard, that has nothing to do with anything.
>and I see no moral issues with it
Because you're dead, and inhuman.
Again, stop posting Evola or I swear to God I'm gonna send you back to hell where you belong, cornuto demente.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:36:00 2020 No.17017714

>>17017681
Things can change overnight if you make a political organization and start pushing for this law.
However, the best way to push for the law and use good rhetoric is by discussing how important it was to one's ethnic identity, especially in many ancient epics. For example, in Beowulf or the Tain, isn't a lot of time spent on the genealogy of fathers of the heroes?
See, patrilineal descent is immensely important to one's ethnic identity. Focus on the issue from this angle, dumb cunt.
No one with half a brain gives two shits about IQ. In fact, sometimes lower IQ is better depending on context.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:38:28 2020 No.17017727

>>17017712
There is something beautiful and purifying about killing babies borne from foreign men on one's soil. I see no moral issue with it. I want unbroken patrilineal descent to my forebears, and it is immensely important to have it.
For example, if there is a British or German man who had an Arabic father 1000 years ago, then one cannot properly call him British or German. This is what IE epics argued.
My own culture or country obsessed about the lineage of fathers, much like Europeans. The idea of having a foreign father 1000 years ago, haunts me.
If you want to fight over it, I would be willing to do so. You are genetic trash, a Jew in mind and spirit, to constantly seek to insult me for such a simple and elegant solution that has root in the fundament of many long-lived civilizations.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:40:59 2020 No.17017737

>>17017689
Fervent nationalism is a cope for a lack of accomplishment and self-belief. Unable to take pride in anything you've done, you point to the fact that you're an Englishman, of the race of Admiral Nelson and Churchill, a real Lionheart -- it's just pathetic.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:46:10 2020 No.17017766

>>17017737
India, Iran, and Europe all share something in common, dumb cunt. It is deeply rooted in their cultures and impossible to remove. What is that?:
How ethnic identity is based on patrilineal descent.
If you pay close attention to the ancient myths, which is foundational to one's heritage and way of being, you see one's identity is solely based on patrilineal descent. Therefore, if any of these people have a SINGLE foreign father from 1000 years ago, they cannot be properly called their respective ethnic group.
A European with a non-European father from 1000 years ago is not European.
An Iranian with a non-Iranian father from 1000 years ago is not Iranian.
An Indian with a non-Indian father from 1000 years is not Indian.
This is DEEPLY rooted in the IE myths, you dumb cunt.
You disgust me.
My solution is peaceful and based on an ethnolinguistic analysis of ancient myths and their relationship to how they suffuse a language with mythic metaphors or whatever: Simply ban foreigners from having children on lands they have no deep rooted ancestral ties to. The end.

Now all of you STFU. At this point you work in a political context, not debating on an imageboard and accomplishing nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:47:33 2020 No.17017776 >>17017766 How are you this ignorant about anthropology? You sound like a schizo with all your posts in this thread, mate, honestly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:47:55 2020 No.17017778 >>17017710 >Make a dangerous monthslong journey across an ocean to live in mostly uncharted territories occupied by tribes of murderous savages. Yeah, they sure were cowards right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:48:04 2020 No.17017781 >>17017689 Also, this shouldn't matter if they don't have kids in your country. It only becomes an issue once they have kids after settling down.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:48:20 2020 No.17017782 >>17017727 it must be hard to procreate being an incel nazi

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:48:53 2020 No.17017789

>>17017079
Polish immigration into the UK was a huge issue in Britain in the 2000's. "They steal our jobs and work for pennies, which they send back home" was such a common complaint, and made many people anti immigration.

The reason it seems like this isn't so much of an issue now is that Polish have integrated very well, and many working class people have worked alongside Polish and realised they get on with them just fine. Also people like getting their kitchens and bathrooms fitted for half the price.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:49:47 2020 No.17017793

>>17017776
I guarantee you I am more well-informed on this matter than you, dumb cunt.
Also, all ancient cultures have a kind of "schizo" origin, but those why try to topple or reform it become even more schizo. It is best to accept it and see the beauty in it by adopting elegant solutions. Banning foreigners from procreating on lands they have no ancestral ties to is the solution.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:51:04 2020 No.17017805 >>17017737 There is nothing wrong with being proud of your people's accomplishments, or being glad you belong to the same ethnicity. You're just a narcissistic cunt who feels no kinship with his culture.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:51:10 2020 No.17017806

>>17017782
You don't know who I am. I have been married for 10 years and have decided to have no children for a number of reasons.
I am being honest in my solution and thinking in truly ethic terms you cannot grasp. My ancient religion also supports such a mentality.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:51:44 2020 No.17017814 >>17017379 I don't listen to rap, but to pretend all rap is like this shows that you haven't listened to much rap at all, or are trolling.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:51:49 2020 No.17017815 >>17017766 >What is Jus Soli I swear Evola, if you don't stop posting right the fuck now...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:52:40 2020 No.17017816 >>17017778 >every immigrant had this experience Most of them didn't. And yes, they're still cowards who fled their homelands.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:54:03 2020 No.17017827 >>17011627 >famine(s)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:54:17 2020 No.17017830 >>17017815 Not that guy, but what would you do exactly? Hack his computer? Tell your discord buddies about him?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:54:32 2020 No.17017834 >>17017727 >The idea of having a foreign father 1000 years ago, haunts me. cool, i've never met a real-life lovecraft protagonist before

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:54:42 2020 No.17017835

>>17017815
I haven't bothered reading Evola, dumb cunt. Also, I am an immigrant/foreigner. I am arguing from honest and truthful perspective. I walk the talk too. I have decided to have no children in a land I have no ancestral ties to based on honest assessment. Most ethnic groups will come to the same conclusion if they remain honest and truthful. If they refuse to come to such a conclusion, then they should be killed.
Foreigners have a right to be treated with respect and equal opportunity, BUT they should not be allowed to have children on lands they have no ancestral ties to.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:55:07 2020 No.17017839 >>17017778 >every immigrant went through this Yes, they're still cowards who fled their homelands.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:55:16 2020 No.17017841 >>17017830 >So underage he can't even discern banter Lurk for three more years, repent, and then post again

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:55:39 2020 No.17017846 >>17017710 They were invited to Britain, as were all ex-commonwealth inhabitants, after Britain colonised and destroyed their country.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:56:06 2020 No.17017849

>>17017834
I do sympathize with Lovecraft a lot. You cannot understand this pain... this sense of uncertainty, which thankfully Europeans have not experienced yet (though they may in the future).

Ban foreigners from procreating on lands they have no ancestral ties to. Everyone who disagrees should be executed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:56:10 2020 No.17017850 >>17017493 >I don't know anything about the subject, but I don't to change my ways because I'm lazy and telling me I'm doing something immoral makes me defensive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:57:03 2020 No.17017858 >>17017835 >Also, I am an immigrant/foreigner. I am arguing from honest and truthful perspective. I walk the talk too. If that's true that would make you a triple retard, a self hating triple retard.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:57:45 2020 No.17017861
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>>17013352
Did you know "Floyd" is just another name for "dick"?

So really, the band you're listening to is Pink Dick ... Got something you want to share with the rest of us, anon?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:58:18 2020 No.17017864 >>17017727 >There is something beautiful and purifying about killing babies borne from foreign men on one's soil. CRAWLING IN MY SKIN

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:58:59 2020 No.17017869

>>17017500
I lived in 3 working class British towns and never once met a Sri Lanken or Turkish person. How many people from those countries even live here? The vast majority of non-white immigrants are Indian, (generally not Islamic, and apart from the very old, almost always non-religious), Pakistani, which yeah, are Muslim, and the occasional Bangladeshi, but this is mostly in London. All 3 of these groups were colonised by Britain and then invited here, so what's the solution? Just deport every Muslim?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:59:16 2020 No.17017871

>>17017858
Nope, my religion and ancient myths/epics argue for this stuff. It is unethical for foreign men to have children in countries they have no ancestral ties to, and it should be banned. Imo, women don't matter though based on my religion and ancient epics (i.e., only paternal haplogroup is most important).
Also, it's funny you mentioned me being a real-life Lovecraft because I have written published weird fiction too.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:59:48 2020 No.17017874

>>17017379
>It's not a pretence. I enjoy rap music sometimes as a guilty pleasure, at least I did in my teens, but to call it anything more than the product of an ignorant, deprived, and uneducated subculture, to associate it with art, to study it in universities, is absurd. There is no feeling, no emotion, no philosophy, no depth, nothing that would make you weep or become pensive like a poem can do. It's just a bunch of aggressive people from poor backgrounds shouting on a microphone about how richer, more violent, and more sexually successful they are than "you".
Unbelievable based!

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:59:57 2020 No.17017876

>>17017841
oh thank god it was just banter, I can't imagine what would have happened if you were actually serious! that dude must be thanking his lucky stars that you're so merciful, though you should also warn him that next time you spot him rambling about evola on 4chan you won't be as magnanimous

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:00:21 2020 No.17017878 >>17017869 I gave the solution: Ban all foreign men from having children on lands they have no ancestral ties to.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:02:11 2020 No.17017889 >>17017878 Only an incel would think of this...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:02:39 2020 No.17017890 >>17017878 This seems like a totally implementable and rational law.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:03:41 2020 No.17017896

>>17017889
No, I have been married for about ten years.
It is an important parts of my religion, heritage, and more, and I see this parallel in Europe and other countries.
Patrilineal lineage is immensely important in my culture and religion.
If one has a single foreign father from a 1000 years ago, this is considered serious for a number of reasons.
The solution is to ban foreign men from procreating on one's land.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:05:07 2020 No.17017905

>>17017890
Yes, it is very important to my own religion and its ancient epics. I also see this parallel in ancient European myths and epics. It is immensely evil for foreign men to have children in countries they have no ancestral ties to.
The same applies to the reverse situation of Europeans moving to countries they have no ancestral ties to and having children.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:08:30 2020 No.17017922

>>17017849
there's nothing special about lovecraft or you. in both cases it's just generic self-loathing, expressed extravagantly. you think of yourself as a stain and you dream of rules that would have prevented you from existing. "for certain reasons i've chosen not to reproduce" lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:12:10 2020 No.17017948 >>17017896 >>17017905 Take your meds

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:12:51 2020 No.17017957

>>17017922
>you dream of rules that would have prevented you from existing

What's the issue? People uphold abortion laws, which prevent births -- something that could, of course, have prevented their own existence. If that person's lamentation of their own life, according to your interpretation, and self-reflection led to an idea of decreasing potential births, its antithesis would be unabashed narcissism -- of which I'm sure you will deny, but it reduces to such.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:14:10 2020 No.17017967 >>17017846 Two wrongs don't make a right. >>17017850 >doesn't realize humans are omnivores

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:15:13 2020 No.17017975

>>17017922
>>17017948
>>17017957
Both of you are genetic trash and do not understand the crux of what I am arguing. Let me repeat:

India, Iran, and Europe all share something in common, dumb cunt. It is deeply rooted in their cultures and impossible to remove. What is that?:
How ethnic identity is based on patrilineal descent.
If you pay close attention to the ancient myths, which is foundational to one's heritage and way of being, you see one's identity is solely based on patrilineal descent. Therefore, if any of these people have a SINGLE foreign father from 1000 years ago, they cannot be properly called their respective ethnic group.
A European with a non-European father from 1000 years ago is not European.
An Iranian with a non-Iranian father from 1000 years ago is not Iranian.
An Indian with a non-Indian father from 1000 years is not Indian.
This is DEEPLY rooted in the IE myths, you dumb cunt.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:15:17 2020 No.17017976 >>17017846 # Two wrongs don't make a right. >>17017850 # >doesn't realize humans are omnivores

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:18:10 2020 No.17017994 >>17017957 abortion defenders want to have abortions, not be aborted. you want yourself exterminated, specifically. that's the point of the lovecraft connection.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:18:54 2020 No.17017999 >>17011577 >You realize that Morrissey's lyrics are studied at an academic level? Pretty much every popular artist has been studied at an academic level, that's hardly an accomplishment. Playboi Carti is a better lyricist

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:19:44 2020 No.17018006 >>17017727 Based

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:19:56 2020 No.17018010 >>17011617 Every word of this was the dumber than the last

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:20:50 2020 No.17018023 >>17011617 >who I consider my better. Whom.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:23:04 2020 No.17018045 >>17011617 I agree, the only vegetarian I have any respect for is Hitler.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:24:55 2020 No.17018055 >>17018023 whom is no longer necessary you pseud

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:25:34 2020 No.17018057

>>17017975
every single european, iranian and indian is related to mitochondrial eve and mitochondrial eve's dad and therefore has a foreign father and according to your myth isn't really european, iranian etc. the thing you wish you were has never existed.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:25:48 2020 No.17018061

You people cannot understand my pain. It is because I am a compassionate and HONEST/TRUTHFUL man that I propose Europe should pass a law to ban foreign men from procreating on their soils.
In my own religion, Zoroastrianism, having unbroken patrilineal descent to Sassanids and Achaemenids is important. The idea of having a single Arabic or Turkic father 1000 years ago haunts me, especially since I have a rare paternal haplogroup.
I have had nightmares of some kind of Ahrimanic chaos taunting me, but then I have blissful dreams of Ahura Mazda's orb telling me I have unbroken patrilineal descent to Zoroastrian forebears. It is as if I exist in some kind of quantum uncertainty, some kind of unending pain. For one month, I had constant nightmares and obsessed about my patrilineal haplogroup.
You mock the Europeans for desiring ethnic continuity to their great forebears. This is wrong. They will become like me in a couple of generations if they do pass a law to ban foreign men from having children on their lands.
You can mock me all you want, but this is important to me. I want my great great great grandfather to have been Zoroastrian. It is important to me, and I will kill you liberals / multiculturalists for constantly mocking me for it.
I have seen the Irish as being similar in some regards. They want unbroken patrilineal lineage to Celts. There is nothing wrong with this. They deserve to keep it. I respect them and would never settle on their lands and have children.
You cannot understand this pain and misery in my heart. I do not want others to feel it.

Ban foreign men from having children in countries they have no ancestral ties to. It is a simple and elegant solution.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:26:01 2020 No.17018063 >>17017975 Imagine taking your inspiration from a dump like India

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:27:39 2020 No.17018072

>>17018057
Stfu, you dumb cunt. I would bring back scaphism for you while chanting from the Zend-Avesta. It is important for me to have unbroken lineage to Sassanian and Achaemenid ancestors. I have dreamt of them. I am tormented, in deep agony and misery.
I have to tell myself I have unbroken patrilineal lineage to them, or I lose my mind, vigor, and spirit.
It's much like Irish or some Brits who take pride in having unbroken patrilineal lineage to the noble Celts. I do not want them to experience the same pain.
Know your place. Stop insulting others for desiring unbroken patrilineal descent to their forebears. They gave me language, identity, way of seeing the world, and more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:30:13 2020 No.17018089 >>17011559 yes. If we have a foreign invasion in our native lands the best thing is to invader the native lands of the foreign invaders.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:33:31 2020 No.17018107 >>17018061 >if they do pass if they do not pass* bbl

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:36:55 2020 No.17018135 >>17011577 >Morrissey's lyrics are studied at an academic level All you needed to say to let us know he's worthless

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:38:00 2020 No.17018143

>You people cannot understand my pain. It is because I am a compassionate and HONEST/TRUTHFUL man that I propose Europe should pass a law to ban foreign men from procreating on their soils.
This isn't necessary. How would you enforce foreign men not reproducing on European soil anyways? Would you require them to get a vasectomy in customs?
Restricting immigration is a more workable solution.
It would be even better if Euro governments incentivized their native men to start making babies with their wives.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:40:15 2020 No.17018157

>>17017905
>It's important to my religion and ancient epics

Why the fuck should anyone care about your ancient religion and epics? Thinking it's sensible for a nation to deport people because of your weirdo LAPR religion would only make sense to someone seriously detached from reality.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:41:07 2020 No.17018167 File: 110 KB, 408x330, Bonjour Monsieur Abe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17018143 >It would be even better if Euro governments incentivized their native men to start making babies with their wives.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:43:23 2020 No.17018189 >>17018072 I'm not sure if you're trolling or if you are actually deranged.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:48:26 2020 No.17018221

>>17018143
>>17018167
You could definitely achieve this with socialism desu, people don't reproduce in a cut-throat cancerous neoliberal dystopia, but they do in social democracies like the Nordic countries. The trouble is you retards have been huffing memes made by billionaires who have the most to lose from socialism. You've got to laugh at how wrong people like you are!

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:51:42 2020 No.17018239

>>17018221
>people don't reproduce in a cut-throat cancerous neoliberal dystopia
Explain America, India, etc.
>The trouble is you retards have been huffing memes made by billionaires
I'm probably what you'd describe as an anarchist, so you're knocking at the wrong door with that, if it were for me I'd round them up and put them all on trial right the fuck now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:55:30 2020 No.17018270 >>17017310 >>17017379 Kek, you're insecure about your own intellect, feel cut off from the rest of society (whom you would call normies), so you shame their interests and claim yours to be far above theirs. You really are a pseud.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:02:37 2020 No.17018307 >>17018239 I'm not talking about 3rd world countries. You're a conservative anarchist? Honk honk

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:05:48 2020 No.17018335 >>17018307 >Doesn't count Nice try And no, I'm an anarchist anarchist. Didn't say I agreed with that fucking dumb ethnic control policy of yours either, just pointed out that we're not all liberal/capitalist chronies here

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:24:40 2020 No.17018455 >>17012692 morrissey irrevocably BTFO but otherwise he is a faggot and a midwit who makes shitty music

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:27:02 2020 No.17018467 one of the posters in this thread is literal schizo yes its the one wanting to ban nonwhite from having kids

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:32:18 2020 No.17018505 >>17013407 Extremely good post, saved. I love morrissey.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:06:43 2020 No.17018816

>>17011549
He's just voicing an opinion that is very very common amongst the white working class but like them lacks the intelligence to maneuver around it with enough grace and tact to say more than "not racist just dont like em" like the typical conservative court jester dope.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:39:17 2020 No.17019129 >>17018055 >whom is no longer necessary you pseud You’re just illiterate is all. No need to make a fuss about it. Learn English.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:41:31 2020 No.17019148 >>17018467 Poo hands typed this.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:51:12 2020 No.17019246

>>17018816
The only reason we have to manoeuvrer around it is that you leftists can't tolerate the idea that Whites also prefer to be around other Whites. You have no problem understand this when it involves other races though. Is it a brain deficiency?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:52:41 2020 No.17019257 File: 136 KB, 776x1024, 1587910831148.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17019129 >first year english student hasn't learned about prescriptivism vs descriptivism You're objectively wrong, retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:56:47 2020 No.17019295 >>17018157 >weirdo LAPR religion IT IS NOT A LARP. THE GATHAS SURVIVED, YOU DUMB CUNT.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:58:09 2020 No.17019312 >>17018221 Just impale the babies to serve as a warning to foreign men not to have babies with native women. My religion would justify this. Just sterilize all foreign men on your soils. You can use a kind of injection for that, dumbass.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:00:41 2020 No.17019341

>>17018189
No, it's you who is deranged and plummeting to Ahriman's House of Lies. Patrilineal lineage is immensely important. One is largely, though not entirely, defined by the lineage of his father's father-father...
Foreign men who have children in countries they have no ancestral ties to are being unethical. This is because most ethnic identity, outside of Jews and a few others, are established based on patrilineal descent. We see the importance of this in folklore, myth, and more, which permeates language in the form of metaphors and more. The sense of the heroic, the poetic, the prophetic, etc., all of this come from a lineage of men, and it's important to preserve this.
Every single foreign man should be sterilized if he chooses to settle a land. If he refuses to leave or be sterilized, then he should be publicly executed to serve as a warning to others.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:19:39 2020 No.17020090

>>17019246
it's strange that you assumed i was a leftist just because i insulted conservatives, the weakest sauce flavour of right winger imaginable. they aren't dopes because i can't tolerate their ideas, they are dopes because their tactics are so self-defeating they never end up as anything more than the clown. That's how Morrisey is treated now and it's how every conservative is treated as soon as they open their mouths.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:21:42 2020 No.17020107 >>17020090 You didn't address the point.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:28:41 2020 No.17020180 >>17020107 What point? I'm not a leftist, so the point is a misunderstanding.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:33:31 2020 No.17020216 >>17020180 You said he "lacks the intelligence to maneuver around it with enough grace and tact". Do you think the opinion is legitimate but should be worded more eloquently? Or do you disagree with the opinion?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:42:13 2020 No.17020289

>>17020216
Yes it's a legitimate opinion, the problem I have with it is that voicing it in that way isn't effective and is harmful to the right as a whole. Morrissey should know this well enough because all voicing those opinions did was ruin his career and blacklist him from british culture.
That's not based, it's just stupidly shooting yourself in the foot.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:47:49 2020 No.17020327

>>17020289
The alternative is using leftism-sensitive language, which carries two even bigger problems. First, you're wasting your time because no matter how you phrase dislike of mass immigration you'll get ostracised, accused of dog-whistling, crypto-fascism etc. Second, you're cowardly giving into the pressure of tip toeing around the topic, which simply affirms the idea that holding these views is somehow wrong. Say it plainly and give solid reasons, instead of obscuring your ideas so the press can't attack you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:51:06 2020 No.17020363 >>17020289 >That's not based, it's just stupidly shooting yourself in the foot. Bronze-age-mindset pilled.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:52:25 2020 No.17020369 Based Morissey making retards in this thread seethe

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:53:20 2020 No.17020377 >>17011617 Based

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:54:38 2020 No.17020388

>>17020327
>Second, you're cowardly giving into the pressure of tip toeing around the topic, which simply affirms the idea that holding these views is somehow wrong.
This. The fight is often a question of language also. Giving in to their annoying jargon is somehow losing ground.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:00:31 2020 No.17020434 >>17013628 The natives can do those jobs without importing slaves.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:01:24 2020 No.17020443

If you recognise that the only way to participate in politics and come out unscathed is to become a leftist, then perhaps the best option as a right winger is to not participate in politics. It's not cowardly to avoid a battle you have no chance of winning, it's smart, since you will actually last long enough to find an alternative strategy that stands some chance of success.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:10:03 2020 No.17020502 >>17016382 >t. went to uni and is still in denial that the academic humanities are a load shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:22:13 2020 No.17020589 File: 50 KB, 500x500, 1583384780144.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17011617 >He is one of the greatest living poets

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:24:15 2020 No.17020606 File: 61 KB, 792x520, snap.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17017379

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 19:28:46 2020 No.17021172

>>17019257
Using an objective or dative form of a pronoun doesn’t really have much to do with proscriptivism versus descriptivism.

The worst kind of idiot is the one who makes a mistake but instead of admitting he’s wrong attempts to justify his obvious mistake by claiming it’s no longer a mistake due to lapses in standards. That’s the kind of idiot you are. Instead of spending so much effort erecting complex sophistries for why your incorrectness is not incorrectness, you could simply educate yourself to be less of an idiot. It would take all of 10 minutes for you to teach yourself to understand when “whom” is the correct word rather than “who,” but since you’re an idiot you’d rather prattle on about how your folly isn’t folly. Many such cases these days. Sad!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 19:32:43 2020 No.17021204 >>17019257 >No marked y axis. The person who made this doesn’t understand how graphs work.

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