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/sffg/ Science Fition & Fantasy General Anonymous Tue Nov 24 21:58:18 2020 No.16866934 [Reply] [Original]

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>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj Tue Nov 24 22:00:08 2020 No.16866949 Worst sffg cover pic ever

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 22:00:58 2020 No.16866952 >Discord KWPCM7m

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 22:01:39 2020 No.16866958 >>16866949 Why? I don't even know what it is and I love it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 22:01:40 2020 No.16866960 File: 10 KB, 127x110, laughing polandball.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >being a normalfag and genuinely believing A Song of Ice and Fire is good genre fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 22:04:23 2020 No.16866981 >>16866949 Yatwerian priestesses arent welcoem here

None !SFFG.n1h7M Tue Nov 24 22:09:06 2020 No.16867018
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Immortality Inc. - Robert Sheckley (1959)

A man dies in 1958 and awakens to find himself alive in 2110. It's all lurching and stumbling downhill from there on though, both in terms of how his life progresses and of my enjoyment. The supernatural takes a leading role though it's presented as science. While there was some interesting social commentary, it wasn't nearly enough to give it a higher rating.
One of the central conceits is that the body and mind are separable, which is why there are zombies and ghosts. The other one is that there is a scientifically proven afterlife, but only one in a million naturally go there. Science has developed a method to all but assure one's afterlife, but it comes at a cost that only the wealthiest can afford. Thus Matthew 19:24 is inverted, "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God". For those wealthy who prefer earthly delights and dominion they can buy a new body to transfer into on either the open or black market. This society seems to have accepted this without resistance as suicide booths are commonplace.
The protagonist immediately meets his love interest who initially has no interest in him, but after he punches her in the face and knocks her out, she realizes what a real man he is and dedicates her life to him.
Ending spoiler: After doing everything possible to stay alive, he commits suicide because the plot requires it. His love interest does the same to be together in the afterlife with him.
Rating: 2/5

Anonymous Tue Nov 24 22:21:48 2020 No.16867101
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AHHHH YOU FAT MORMON FAGGOT, I don't give a fuck about your magma opiss if you sacrifice the character interactions and development in order to hit the plot beats on time for your 30 book project.

NO, you can't make it up by dragging something that should have been a done in one chapter into 500 pages, No I don't give a fuck if your going to give this character that you've been ignoring for several books flashbacks chapters 4 books from now. FUCK YOU. I HOPE A MEXICAN CARTEL GUNS YOU DOWN LIKE THE DOG YOU ARE.
I'll read the fifth book but that doesn't make me a cuck.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 22:23:15 2020 No.16867115 >>16867101 >doesn't make me a cuck. By saying that you're admitting to everyone that you think it does.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 22:26:06 2020 No.16867136 >Whimsy >Mercy >Invention >Valor meh

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 22:43:21 2020 No.16867246 File: 16 KB, 500x375, « Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16866949 Stay in your containment thread tranny freak

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 22:43:48 2020 No.16867251 >The Door Into Summer >Stranger in a Strange Land >I Will Fear No Evil Which Heinlein to read next?

Anonymous Tue Nov 24 22:53:24 2020 No.16867302
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What does /lit/ think of Greg Egan? I've only read permutation city so far. I thought it was good (ignoring the random sex scene in the middle), and the ending got really trippy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 22:57:37 2020 No.16867320 >>16866934 lol an inchoroijak, fucking beautiful

Anonymous Tue Nov 24 23:02:28 2020 No.16867349

>>16867302
I just finished Permutation City a few days ago and it ended up being far better than I was expecting. I plan to read Diaspora sometime in the near future, maybe Schilds Ladder if I am ever in the mood.

I have a small question about the epilogue, was that just a random page of the physical Maria or was there some deeper meaning that I missed?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 23:06:18 2020 No.16867377 >>16867349 Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just physical Maria going on with her life having no idea what actually happened.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 23:22:23 2020 No.16867466 >>16867302 Enjoyable hard sf author who sometimes get too hard from being hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 23:33:06 2020 No.16867538 >>16867302 another +1 for diaspora, but some of his stuff is too weird (schild's ladder).

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 23:35:07 2020 No.16867550 File: 278 KB, 1080x1609, pg391.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16867302 Axiomatic is a nice collection and has a lot of great ideas. His most recent collection is a bit too political. Too much for my tastes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 23:39:11 2020 No.16867574 >>16866981 kek. worshippers of the harvest demon BTFO'd eternally.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 23:41:43 2020 No.16867587 >>16867574 Based and fanimpilled

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 23:47:15 2020 No.16867629 File: 513 KB, 1200x1800, the-pillars-of-the-earth-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is 'The Pillars of the Earth' /sffg/? And should I read it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 23:47:21 2020 No.16867631 File: 1.99 MB, 2000x2000, BAKKER COMPASS.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16866981 >>16867320 >>16867587

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj Tue Nov 24 23:49:52 2020 No.16867653

>>16866981
>>16867574
Looked up this, thing, and on the surface it seems like a reasonable Demeter style goddess. Fertility, both in regeneration of people and their food
But it gets stupid. They are the most impoverished and that it’s a slave cult. What the fuck ever. I suppose there’s a good reason how they can mash Demeter and Mars

>>16867631
Dead meme.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 23:52:43 2020 No.16867669 >>16867653 i like you well enough kiddo, but you're sniffin' up a tree you haven't bothered to climb first. please read Bakker and then get bakk to us with your thoughts before shitting on him, ma'am. you probably won't like him desu

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 24 23:54:20 2020 No.16867684 >>16867629 Its not /sffg/, being historical fiction and all that jazz. But it is worth reading.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 00:19:23 2020 No.16867872

>>16866934
Amazon has put out their list of the best sff of 2020.

Devolution: A Firsthand Account of the Rainier Sasquatch Massacre by Max Brooks
Battle Ground by Jim Butcher
The Empire of Gold by S.A. Chakraborty
The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes by Suzanne Collins
Race the Sands by Sarah Beth Durst
The Midnight Library by Matt Haig
The Once and Future Witches by Alix E. Harrow
The City We Became by N. K. Jemisin
The House in the Cerulean Sea by TJ Klune
Mexican Gothic by Silvia Moreno-Garcia
Harrow the Ninth by Tamsyn Muir
A Deadly Education by Naomi Novik
To Sleep in a Sea of Stars by Christopher Paolini
Black Sun by Rebecca Roanhorse
Scarlet Odyssey by C.T. Rwizi
The Last Emperox by John Scalzi
The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue by V. E. Schwab
Bonds of Brass by Emily Skrutskie
The Bone Shard Daughter by Andrea Stewart
Network Effect by Martha Wells

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 00:21:10 2020 No.16867885 >>16867251 umm wasn't he canceled?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 00:22:13 2020 No.16867889 who would win, Gnauir or Karsa Orlong

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj Wed Nov 25 00:32:12 2020 No.16867955 File: 1.10 MB, 1800x2400, 6D413B8B-710D-4F27-9FEF-716C8E92EBCE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16867669 Admittedly. Sort of a dark bizzaro world I guess. I’ve seen Bakker mentioned before

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 00:34:28 2020 No.16867972 File: 3.47 MB, 1600x1200, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16867955 Elesh Norn more like uhhh Elesh Whore-n

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 00:34:39 2020 No.16867974 >>16867631 I don't know what to say, I can't believe the memes are already here

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 01:37:42 2020 No.16868262 >>16867889 Well Karsa is an 8 foot tall more monkey than man barbarian. Cnaur is just a faggot-savant

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 01:49:29 2020 No.16868304 File: 45 KB, 300x250, 1yrme0fgzN7rx.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16868262 What the hell are you going on about?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 02:12:29 2020 No.16868396 >>16867104 Why is he so wholesome and likable?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 02:13:49 2020 No.16868403 >>16866960 It is though. Anybody who's read a lot of fantasy admits as much. It's very well crafted, and it's a shame that it only really got popular because of a TV adaptation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 02:14:46 2020 No.16868408 >>16867101 >I'll read the fifth book but that doesn't make me a cuck. You are choking on Sanderson's dong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 02:25:13 2020 No.16868458 >>16867631 kekd at the emwama, just read that part

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 02:29:04 2020 No.16868471
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I enjoyed the first Von Bek book but the second one is absolute shit. It starts off great, but everything after they escape in the hot air balloon is just downhill all the way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 02:40:29 2020 No.16868520 >>16868396 He isn't. I see right through that twat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 02:43:44 2020 No.16868541 >>16868520 Success breeds jealousy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 02:45:15 2020 No.16868549 >>16868541 Then why don't I feel that way about actually good authors? Some I might even admit to be jealous of?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 02:49:06 2020 No.16868560 Should I bother with Paul Kearney? Monarchies of God sounds like it could be interesting but I dislike books that spend more time on world building than telling a story.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:07:48 2020 No.16868651 >>16867653 >what the fuck ever You’ll never be a real women, stop trying to speak like one

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:10:48 2020 No.16868659 >>16867631 Are most of these from the second series? I don't recognize a bunch of them. (lady with Judging eye, the witch, etc)

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:21:11 2020 No.16868698 >>16868403 lol if it was "well crafted" he would have wrapped the series up years ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:23:20 2020 No.16868705 >>16868698 What does "well crafted" have to do with whether or not the author keeps working on their series or not? He's old and has lost interest.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:23:55 2020 No.16868708 >>16867872 All garbage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:24:22 2020 No.16868711 >>16868659 yeah, the witch is kellhus's daughter for example

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:26:14 2020 No.16868718

>>16868705
He "lost interest" because he has no idea how to finish his supposedly well crafted story. But if it was genuinely well crafted then he should have been able to finish it years ago regardless if he actually lost interest or not. But you go ahead and keep making excuses for crap writing.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:31:43 2020 No.16868746

>>16868718
I don't think the writing is crap. I think Martin is old, lazy and doesn't care all that much. What does he have to work towards? He already has the success he needs to live as he pleases. He has armies of fans building hype year after year. No matter what he delivered, he'd disappoint, because a decade of hype cannot be contested with. So why bother? He's not going to finish ASOIAF. He doesn't need to. He already won. By leaving it unfinished, he'll leave behind a legacy of people wondering what could have been, rather than a legacy of fans waiting and being disappointed when the ending wasn't what they hoped for.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:37:57 2020 No.16868772

>>16868746
>By leaving it unfinished, he'll leave behind a legacy of people wondering what could have been, rather than a legacy of fans waiting and being disappointed when the ending wasn't what they hoped for.
That's what happens when your story consists of almost nothing but YOU'LL NEVER GUESS WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. A genuinely great story doesn't need some WHAT A TWEEST bullshit ending to impress readers. It seems GRRM has possibly reached this conclusion as well and instead of embarrassing himself further he's decided to not even bother writing an ending which is probably the best choice.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:40:50 2020 No.16868777

>>16868772
Now you're getting it. The "YOU'LL NEVER GUESS WHAT HAPPENS NEXT" stuff as you call it IS well crafter, otherwise this series wouldn't have lifted Martin out of obscurity. He did this thing very well, so well he no longer needs to give any payoff for all that buildup. Like I said, he already won.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:43:06 2020 No.16868785 >>16867101 >you sacrifice the character interactions and development in order to hit the plot beats on time for your 30 book project. Navani/Raboniel is probably the best character arc he's ever written.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:45:06 2020 No.16868789 File: 9 KB, 262x192, 1606293906638.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16867136 >"One shard chiefly concerned with survival" >discretion being the better part of Valor

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:47:45 2020 No.16868798

>>16868777
>The "YOU'LL NEVER GUESS WHAT HAPPENS NEXT" stuff as you call it IS well crafter
In the same way that an unpredictable jump scare in a movie might be well crafted, but when it keeps happening with only slight variations it very, very quickly loses its charm. So no his story was not "well crafted;" the first few unpredictable instances were. But when it came time to actually buckle down and write a genuinely compelling story he couldn't do it thus why there will never be an ending. You're right about him winning; he doesn't NEED to finish it. He's rich and morons will kiss his ass for years to come though I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere down the road a serious reevaluation happens and readers in general will finally realize just how bad of a writer he was.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:48:12 2020 No.16868801

>>16867631
I really need to reread this sometime. As a worldbuildingfag It holds a special place in my heart. But I only read the first 4, and that put me off it. I'd still say the first 3 are excellent on their own. I hear the trajectory is downhill after that.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:49:31 2020 No.16868805

>>16868785
>Navani/Raboniel is probably the best character arc he's ever written.

>200 pages of infodump exposition
>ParshMengele actually just wanted to mercy kill her daughter? Wow, she's just like me! I guess that justifies her repeated committed genocides!

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 03:57:14 2020 No.16868832 >>16868805 >getting filtered by Sanderson >not actually reading the material 2/10, see me after class.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 04:01:28 2020 No.16868854 File: 26 KB, 327x324, silmarils.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Going to read Hobbit, LotR, Silmarillion, Unfinished tales, Beren and Luthien, Fall of Gondolin, and Song of Hurin in a row What am I in for, dudes?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 04:02:42 2020 No.16868860 >>16868854 A lot of repetition since you're apparently going to be reading the same stories three times

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 04:17:38 2020 No.16868936 >>16868785 >200 pages of storm light metaphysics Just give me a bullet instead

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 04:20:56 2020 No.16868956 >>16867246 thanks for posting, frikken heck, filtered

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 04:24:42 2020 No.16868979 >>16868936 I can understand the "boo me likey 4v2.5 duel for Honor!" crowd wouldn't enjoy cosmere scholarship, but this is only going to get worse from here. And unless you can stop hatereading them, you'll never get off Mr. Sanderbones' Wild Ride.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 04:50:42 2020 No.16869095 >>16867251 >the feed into seeder >sneeder in a chuck land >i will feed no sneedville

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 05:16:17 2020 No.16869219 File: 1013 KB, 1277x677, Patcuck.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This dude sounds D E P R E S S E D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGuunZ0XXic&ab_channel=TheEolian

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 05:21:01 2020 No.16869249 >>16869219 Newsflash Mr. Rothfuss: nobody cares about your opinions on politics. Write your book.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 05:23:16 2020 No.16869254 File: 211 KB, 700x915, 1578003745807.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16869219 Imagine being 47 and having only written TWO BOOKS.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 05:26:36 2020 No.16869275 >>16869254 Imagine being 47, only having written one book and then writing the same book again but adding more sex and ninjas in the second time to pad it out

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 05:27:43 2020 No.16869285 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht5Pyeb8HPU&ab_channel=FantasyHrvatska >pronounced baker not bakker NOOO IVE BEEN SAYING IT WRONG ALL THAT TIME

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 05:30:18 2020 No.16869298 >>16869285 His hair looks like two minute noodles

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 05:30:54 2020 No.16869302 >>16867889 Karasa. The Malazan setting has a much higher average power level for its characters, but non of them peak as high as the couple of truly powerful characters from the three seas.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 05:34:05 2020 No.16869316

>>16869302
When are we getting more Malazan? Erikson just gave up on Kharnakas, started writing The Witness trilogy and then said derp I wrote 80 pages of book two accidentally lol back to square one
Is Esslemont still making more Kellanved & Dancer stuff?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 05:35:41 2020 No.16869325 >>16869316 kharkanas flopped, and he's making good progress on witness i think, though apparently karsa doesnt show up until book 3 lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 05:55:30 2020 No.16869417 >>16868854 Elongated shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 05:55:31 2020 No.16869418 >>16869325 >check the wiki >apparently during the Witness Trilogy people will start a religion worshipping Coltaine Muh chain of doges

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 05:59:48 2020 No.16869446 >>16869418 i think that kind of started during the main series

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 06:00:44 2020 No.16869451 >>16869446 People will worship the weirdest things

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 06:13:11 2020 No.16869494

>>16866960
>genre fiction

Eh, kinda. I think most people into ASoI&F are almost embarrassed to read fantasy. They're there more for the endless cast of characters, make believe politics and drama. Show crowd that got into books after the fact definitely qualifies as this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 06:15:12 2020 No.16869500 >>16867872 I'm consistently blown away by how straight up bad these are. There is good SF out there. Why doesn't anyone nominate those?

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 06:17:50 2020 No.16869505

I think the death of tales has contributed to the drop in quality of fantasy books, it seems to me like the vast majority of modern fantasy novels are just novella with their word counts padded to hell and back. If they cut out the majority of their side stories and laborious descriptions of every minute detail they would only be improved.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 06:22:48 2020 No.16869524 >>16869505 when you make writing your sole income source you've cornered yourself into writing what sells and as much as possible. days of releasing short stories in collections are gone for the most part.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 06:36:11 2020 No.16869585 >>16869524 I'm not sure what I can do with this newfound wisdom. Except maybe stop reading fantasy and find a new "hobby".

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 07:00:51 2020 No.16869706 Would it be gay to fug your mate polyjuiced into a celeb for an hour?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 07:01:57 2020 No.16869711 >>16869706 Depends. Are they transforming into a girl or a dude?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 07:03:37 2020 No.16869719 >>16869711 Girl of course

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 07:04:05 2020 No.16869723 >>16869719 Then yes. It's hella gay.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 07:08:32 2020 No.16869745 >>16869706 >>16869719 I would rather transform into a girl and fuck him (no homo)

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 07:12:13 2020 No.16869756 >>16868798 but most people guessed what's going to happen next retard. At least read the source material before you get btfo in two threads

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 07:19:37 2020 No.16869789 >>16868789 I still think 'Survival' Shard is one of the Hidden ones. I was surprised he name-dropped four new Shards like that, even though most the names suck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 07:20:47 2020 No.16869796 >>16869789 Whimsychads with their kite-based magic laugh at your complaints.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 07:29:00 2020 No.16869830 >>16869796 Goddammit it's such a STUPID name. >:(

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 07:54:02 2020 No.16869948 >>16866079 >Both Veil and Shallan loved the title … though Radiant Aren't all three of these the same person? I can't read about an unappealing schizo for 1500 pages.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 08:03:19 2020 No.16869982 >>16869756 >but most people guessed what's going to happen next retard So it has nothing going for it at all then. What shitty series. If you think the last two books were remotely "well crafted" you're a fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 08:06:29 2020 No.16869995 >>16869982 Look at how much this guy who has never accomplished anything absolutely SEETHES at that fat fuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 08:09:09 2020 No.16870009 >>16869995 >You can't criticize something if you can't do it better yourself If this is the only reply you have then you've lost.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 08:10:13 2020 No.16870015 File: 31 KB, 620x413, george-rr-martin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16870009 Anon you're dangerously mad at a man who will never, ever know about your existence

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 08:12:35 2020 No.16870028 >>16870015 What does that have to do with the quality of his books?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 08:19:28 2020 No.16870061 >10 hours later >GRRM apologists still ardently defending his horizontal prowess How do normalfags even find this general?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 08:20:22 2020 No.16870064 >>16870028 I don't care about his books, just about how mad you are. I find it funny.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 08:23:59 2020 No.16870088 >>16870064 If you post this 10 more times I will change my mind and decide he is a good writer. Good luck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 08:28:09 2020 No.16870109 >>16870088 I'm not saying he's a good writer. I'm pretty sure I called him a fat fuck just 15 minutes ago. But you? You're absolutely seething.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 08:29:31 2020 No.16870120 >>16870109 No, you posted the wrong thing. Try again, okay?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 08:31:22 2020 No.16870135 File: 41 KB, 900x600, Eh whatever.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16870120

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 08:54:12 2020 No.16870249 File: 29 KB, 1791x81, ender.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Look, look at what reading Ender's Game does to a man.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 08:57:57 2020 No.16870265 File: 240 KB, 385x587, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] any mahou shoujo/magical girl stuff (without the rape)?

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 09:05:35 2020 No.16870297
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Currently reading the third volume of The Dying Earth. The serie isn't what I was expecting at all but I really like it. Cuts all the bullshit of fantasy while keeping the good parts.
Also Cugel is absolutely B A S E D

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 09:07:00 2020 No.16870307 >>16870265 >(without the rape) No homos allowed in this thread, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 09:10:35 2020 No.16870329 >>16870307 I mean, I'm very open to a little bit of rape but last time I made this request I got very rape-y suggestions. You gotta build up to the rape, let the gal feel good and comfy first.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 09:12:24 2020 No.16870337 >>16870329 She should only feel good if she gets mindbroken.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 09:32:57 2020 No.16870462 >>16867101 Who is she being attacked by there, or those supposed to be Sadeas's troops? I thought they were all of the same race as her.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 09:34:15 2020 No.16870467 >>16867574 Yatwer is pretty based desu.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 09:37:54 2020 No.16870490 >>16870462 I think those are supposed to be the Thrill-crazed troops, yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 10:56:03 2020 No.16870903 >>16869982 so you just want to argue right faggot? they are great books no matter how much you seethe retard. This thread is proof how low IQ you are mental midget.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 10:57:30 2020 No.16870910 >>16870061 GRRM has better books then 99% of shit discussed here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 10:58:00 2020 No.16870918 >>16870903 >so you just want to argue right faggot? I lost interest a few hours ago, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 10:58:35 2020 No.16870922 >>16870918 because I btfo your twice already. You can hide now.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 10:58:50 2020 No.16870925

>>16868801
biggest meme on the planet, it only gets better. half of bakker's readers are retarded retards with retardedly strong opinions about some supposed decline in quality, the other half are actually normal, intelligent people who are intrigued by his world and his ideas

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:00:14 2020 No.16870938 >>16870922 >because I btfo your twice already Kpop discussion goes on /mu/

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:00:56 2020 No.16870943 >>16870938 Not interested but thanks for invitation. I knew you were Kpop obsessed faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:02:35 2020 No.16870953 >>16870943 I don't like it. You're the one that brought it up, not me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:03:12 2020 No.16870957 >>16870953 But you mentioned kpop first subhuman

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:04:52 2020 No.16870966 >>16868801 You’ve been memed, you need to get to the golden room

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:04:58 2020 No.16870967 >>16870957 Can you prove that in a court of law?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:05:19 2020 No.16870970 >>16870967 I just did

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:06:45 2020 No.16870981 >>16870970 You haven't filed an affidavit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:06:57 2020 No.16870984 >>16867631 Wait so does cnuir have body/ facial hair or not? I think it mentions he’s got a little facial scruff somewhere but literally at the end it specifically mentions his shaven pubis

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:07:06 2020 No.16870986 >>16870981 I just did

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:09:19 2020 No.16870999 >>16870986 I need you to fax me a copy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:09:51 2020 No.16871002 >>16870999 I just did

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:11:30 2020 No.16871013 >>16871002 I don't have a fax machine, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:12:16 2020 No.16871018 >>16871013 I send your mother

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:14:38 2020 No.16871039 >>16871018 Rude

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:28:51 2020 No.16871121 File: 48 KB, 853x543, 44CC398A-75AE-4B12-A280-AF07C1F09A09.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Every POV male character in Second Apocalypse has had a gay encounter either on or off screen or both.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:32:24 2020 No.16871143 >>16871121 And yet there is not one single lesbian encounter in the entire series. Why, R. Scott, why? > tfw no steamy Serwa X Mimara scene

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:34:35 2020 No.16871155 >>16871121 based >>16871143 lesbianism is unnatural and wrong

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:36:45 2020 No.16871173 >>16871143 I think it was implied that serwe and esme we’re having 3 ways with kellhus but we never get to really see it and Literally, aside from that, nothing, yeah.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:41:30 2020 No.16871206 >>16869948 Yes they are the same person and yes it is retarded.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:45:30 2020 No.16871241 >>16871121 We are a race of lovers

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:53:46 2020 No.16871294 >>16871121 Saubon probably didn't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:56:35 2020 No.16871305 >>16871121 The survivor presumably didn't.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:56:42 2020 No.16871306

Why is kaladin such a fucking whiner? He get to fly around with a cute elf mascot and kill bad guys with a spear made out of his cute elf mascot. How can you hate your life if that is your life?

Oh no I have to spend another day literally flying and fighting things with my cute elf spear. Everyone hates me and thinks I suck. Oh my god I hate myself so much.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 11:58:10 2020 No.16871309 >>16871306 He's a clinically depressed guy with major survivor's guilt. Not everyone can be psychochads.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 12:06:40 2020 No.16871362 >>16871306 kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 12:07:37 2020 No.16871368 >>16867302 I've read a few of his, and enjoyed them, but I remember nothing about them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 12:14:52 2020 No.16871413 >>16871306 I mean he did spend years as a slave, saw his little bro die, then his mates, then his fellow slaves.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 12:33:17 2020 No.16871532 >>16871413 And then he had to see his friend shack up with some insane schizophrenic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 12:39:50 2020 No.16871584 >>16871241 Your mother is definitely a race lover.

None !SFFG.n1h7M Wed Nov 25 12:51:22 2020 No.16871661
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>>16866934
Gift Of The Manti - J.F. Bone, Roy Meyers (1977)

The Manti are an ancient race whose final enemy is boredom, as all else has been conquered. To alleviate boredom a mated pair travel throughout the galaxy inhabiting other intelligent species to live as they do and to experience all existence has to offer. Eventually they come across Earth and decide to save humanity from itself, or enable their self-destruction, it's all the same really. Humans have so much new and exciting stimuli to offer and they want it all. As a song from a couple years after the book was published said, "You've gotta be cruel to be kind, in the right measure" which is how the Manti justify what they do and the Humans feel likewise about their own actions to each other. Although it starts with the Manti, the vast majority of book takes place from the perspective of a few different humans as they try to cope with the changes wrought by the Manti.
Ending spoiler: A virus from China spreads worldwide and is projected to wipe out 90% of the Human population. The Manti realize there is nothing more for them to do with Earth, so they leave.
Rating: 4/5

At the time of this writing, this is the only legitimate rating and review of this book on Goodreads. The sole other rating is highly suspect. It's difficult to tell, but it's likely I enjoyed this more than it would be enjoyed by theoretical other readers. You may wonder how I came to read this. Some years ago I was reading an anthology of golden age sf and I read some of his stories and then I read one of his novels. I was looking at my to-read list today and I had them sorted by page count to choose a short read and I arbitrarily picked this one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 12:54:55 2020 No.16871685 >>16871532 Adolin had the choice between Maya and Shallan, if he wants to pick the worse one, that's on him.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 13:00:58 2020 No.16871731 >>16871294 In aspect emperor saubon walks out of his tent with his butt boy collecting his clothes and proyas is just like baka this nigga gay af even tho I just got my holes resized by BDC (bid dunyain cock)

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 13:09:31 2020 No.16871794 File: 281 KB, 350x456, tg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Holy shit Just discovered that Terry Goodkind died WTF man? I'm genuinely sad. RIP in peace sweet prince.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 13:21:03 2020 No.16871872 >>16871794 >72 years old >looks 40ish

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 13:39:14 2020 No.16871991 Does anyone in this general read Worth The Candle? New chapters just released but only for patrons. I'm bored and would like to read it. Someone has a pastebin or any idea how to access new patreon exclusive releases?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 13:40:36 2020 No.16872006 >>16871991 how do I become a webnovel author that people pay to have first dibs on new chapters?

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 14:08:18 2020 No.16872212

>>16872006
Write every day. Don't bother editing too much. Be verbose and write a neverending story - if you have an idea include it! Have slightly above average prose. Try to appeal to your demographic. Wishfulfillment for nerdy stuff, love triangles for slashfics, etc. Include references to other (popular) works, kind of like Big Bang Theory or Ready Player One. Big plus if you do something meaningful with it. Readers go crazy if you have some kind of magic system and world building to optimize for 'power gaming'. World-build a lot! Plot should never be your focus.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 14:22:07 2020 No.16872317 >>16871584 Yes, my mother is not retarded.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 14:26:28 2020 No.16872357 Started the Prydain series. Seems the author is pacing himself. Does the series have a good ending?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 15:23:40 2020 No.16872841 File: 101 KB, 736x736, 1598116052715.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16866934 Why have they got human faces in their rape demon faces anyway? Aren't they aliens from fuck knows where?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 15:42:36 2020 No.16872986 >>16867653 Nobody asked, hole.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 15:43:53 2020 No.16873001 >>16872986 >nobody asked, teratoma axe wound ftfy

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:07:01 2020 No.16873163 >>16872841 they literally birthed human faces in their mouths to talk. the rape demon face is the real face

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:08:24 2020 No.16873173 Does anyone else have dreams of them reading their current book, but because you can't read in a dream, it's all fucked up and you wake up with a headache? This shit keeps happening to me this week.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:08:25 2020 No.16873172 >>16873163 Kino

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:23:47 2020 No.16873260 >>16867955 Because he is always here-lazy potsmoking asswipe.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:23:51 2020 No.16873262

>>16871306
He was a sensitive kid put in a lot of very bad situations. He's tried numbing himself to pain but time after time he kept getting pulled back into terrible situations and was forced to care about people again, which just brought more pain. To make things worse he doesn't really have anybody he can confide in besides Syl, who is limited in how she can console him since not being human she doesn't fully understand everything he's going through. That said, Syl is pretty much the only reason Kaladin didn't commit suicide a long time ago, so even if she can't fully fix him she at least saved his life.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:24:27 2020 No.16873266

>>16868403
It's shit. He built a dead world full of flat characters. It's only rich on the surface. Wow, another stupid earth clone.
What do I mean by dead world? Take for example the First Men. They had bronze so they stomped on the Children of The Forest. That went on forever and a day until suddenly the Andals arrived (from Andalus) with Iron so they win. Why on earth didn't the first men figure out Iron over thousands of years? Everything in his books is only surface level and doesn't obey any internal logic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:25:57 2020 No.16873277 >>16871794 Darken Rahl got him

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:27:26 2020 No.16873285 >>16867251 The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress Time Enough For Love To Sail Beyond The Sunset Number Of The Beast The Cat That Walks Through Walls ^in that order, more or less, not sure about Number

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:32:35 2020 No.16873318 >>16871306 >untreated clinical depression since childhood >PTSD from war You'd also want to die in his stead. At least he invented psychotherapy. Hope the idiot does better next book.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:32:45 2020 No.16873320

>>16873266
>hurf durf muh world building
That's not what people mean when they say it's well-crafted. The characters, their motivations, and their relationships are well-realized. They act in very believable and compelling ways, so that the plot feels like an organic extension of what these characters do and what they are trying to achieve. Furthermore, the plot is pretty free of contrivances, by which I mean you don't feel deliberately mislead or cheated when unexpected things happen, because these events also logically follow from what has already occurred.

Because of this, the only way to really anticipate where the story goes is by understanding the characters and their circumstances. Martin teased the readers with various prophecies, only to show that prophecies can fail and you can't use them as a road map for what will happen in the story. This doesn't stop some obnoxious fans of his from over-analyzing symbolism and other nonsense in the books, despite the overwhelming majority of the plot being determined by character motivations.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:37:09 2020 No.16873360

>>16873313
I have a copy of A World Of Ice And Fire right here faglord. I read the history and saw just how mind numbingly stupid it is.
How the fuck did the first men not figure out Iron over thousands of years?
>>16873320
But the characters aren't well crafted, too. I don't find them believable or organic. They're all a race to the bottom in "how horrible can I write these people to be". It gets old after a while. It all feels like the work of a fat neckbeard who never had real life interactions with people and only knows the world through the window in his shitty Manhatten apartment and atlases.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:42:40 2020 No.16873391
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>240 page book
>feels insanely bloated
There's 40 pages to go and instead of focusing on the plot of Alveric rescuing Lirazel from Elfland I'm stuck reading about the dumbass kid Orion hunting unicorns by night.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:55:20 2020 No.16873467 >>16873360 >But the characters aren't well crafted, too. I don't find them believable or organic That's fine, but you're wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 16:59:45 2020 No.16873487 >>16873391 We get it. You don't like Dunsany.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 17:07:00 2020 No.16873534

A liberal homosexual feminist Protestant was teaching a class on George R.R. Martin, known hack

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Gurm and accept that Planetos is the greatest fantasy setting of all time even greater than Arda!”

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, British WW1 veteran who had served 1500 tours of duty on the Somme and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all decisions made by Butcher Haig stood up.

”What are the linguistic differences among the peoples of Westeros?”

The arrogant proddie smirked quite schismatically and smugly replied “There is the Old Tongue and the Common Tongue, you stupid warmonger”

”Wrong. There should be hundreds of dialects. If the Wall is 8000 years old as you say, how can the Wildlings and Northmen understand one another?”

The HBO shill was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of A World of Ice and Fire. He stormed out of the room crying those redditor crocodile tears. The same tears redditors (who today live in such luxury most can afford sex changes) cried when Missandei was beheaded. There is no doubt that at this point our sola scriptura-faggot wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a garbage pulp fiction fan. He wished so much he could die a glorious death in battle, but he had sworn to always be a draft dodger!

The students applauded and became Tolkien fans that day and accepted the Pope as their Lord and Master. A giant eagle named “Thorondor” flew into the room and perched atop the flag of Gondor and shed a tear on the White Tree. Beowulf was read in the original Old English several times, and Eru Ilúvatar himself showed up and enacted Aragorn's flat rate tax policy across the universe.

The Lutheran was fired the next day and sunset found him squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up he was shitting brown water.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 17:25:18 2020 No.16873649
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I find it difficult to continue Dune after hearing that the following 5 books are not as good as the first and that they were written only because they forced Herbert to write more just because of the success that Dune was having. And even worse knowing he died and that his son probably wrote the end of the saga himself.
does this usually happen to people?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 18:17:04 2020 No.16873909 >>16873266 but it has one of the best characters in the genre dumbfuck.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 18:20:34 2020 No.16873932

>>16873649
don't listen to retards following books are good, except children of Dune. Keep reading. At least read messiah and if you don't like what you read then quit.
>they were written only because they forced Herbert to write
total bullshit, messiah was intended to be epilogue to Dune, but they made him split the book.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 18:34:37 2020 No.16874003 >>16866960 It is. The first three are excellent. >>16869494 You know, at one point there was no show and it was just genre fiction and enjoyed by readers of genre fiction. Yeah, he flamed out, but that doesn't erase what he did, only make it sadder.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 18:40:21 2020 No.16874035 >>16866934 Anybody else submit to the Dresden files fanfic contest?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 19:50:15 2020 No.16874461 >>16873262 >she flew all that way, risked her own budding sapience in the physical realm, and put in all that effort to fly back one leaf of poison she thought would make him feel better Syl is too pure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 19:52:33 2020 No.16874476 >>16866949 Suck me, butterfly

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 19:52:43 2020 No.16874477 >>16870925 >>16870966 This gives me some hope. It's been long enough since I read the first 4 I'm gonna find the last 2 (3?) and just go through all of them in one fell swoop. Thanks for the opinions friends.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:11:13 2020 No.16874565 >>16873534 Amazing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:24:28 2020 No.16874629 >>16871309 >He's a clinically depressed guy with major survivor's guilt. Who the fuck wants to read about that gay bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:25:29 2020 No.16874639 >>16871121 Canadians write based on their personal lives.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:30:27 2020 No.16874670

>>16869756
>but most people guessed what's going to happen next retard.
lol you fucking idiot. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. GERM didn't write a well-crafted story; he wrote WHAT A TWEEST after WHAT A TWEEST and morons like you thought this was the height of literature and turned it into a game to try to guess what WHAT A TWEEST would happen next. That's why he's never going to finish this series; he's run out of tweests.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:31:31 2020 No.16874676 >>16874670 >arguing with newfags

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:33:48 2020 No.16874695 >>16871872 >Americans really look like this at 40 do Americans really?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:39:26 2020 No.16874734 >>16874670 >>16874676 You repeat the same arguement and I btfo you retards every time. You can't even make a coherent sentence dumbfucks. Next time before you try to be a contrarian retards, try to read a book first.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:53:37 2020 No.16874813 >>16871661 >Gift Of The Manti I wish I was named JF Bone

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:55:38 2020 No.16874826 >>16874734 >You can't even make a coherent sentence dumbfucks. The irony.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:56:20 2020 No.16874830 >>16874826 keep seething you can't even mention what tweests you didn't like retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:57:06 2020 No.16874839 >>16874826 seethe seethe seethe btfo btfo btfo I WIN HA HA

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:58:13 2020 No.16874845 >>16874839 so afraid, can't even respond. I accept your concession.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:59:12 2020 No.16874852 Why are GERM fanfags so retarded and infantile?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 20:59:58 2020 No.16874856 >>16874852 I don't know GERM fans are btfoing retard itt so far.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 21:02:20 2020 No.16874867 >>16874852 It's an average /v/ or /tv/ crossboarder.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 21:02:32 2020 No.16874869

>>16874629
Well, it's him going through that, but then snapping after trying to find inner peace.

It's actually not a terrible part of the story. I absolutely agree that RoW should've been five books, but I've been sort of mentally sorting them out that way already, and it's enjoyable in that context, and Kaladin's little Patch Adams meets Rambo routine works for me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 21:02:58 2020 No.16874873 >>16874867 Keep crying faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 21:03:34 2020 No.16874876 File: 313 KB, 1640x828, Martin.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16874670

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 21:05:50 2020 No.16874888

>>16873649

Dune Messiah is the best of the bunch. All of the six are good enough to read tho. The only real problem with the series is that somewhere along in life Herbert pozzed hard and so the latter half of the series is all about how excellent and moral the bene gesserit are. It's like reading the Gulag Archipelago if it had been written by Stalin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 21:09:48 2020 No.16874914 >>16874888 >It's like reading the Gulag Archipelago if it had been written by Stalin. I've been looking for this analogy my entire life and never known it.

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Anonymous Wed Nov 25 22:51:31 2020 No.16875442
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Alright I sold XRP recently and have some spending cash. What short story collections should I buy?
Already put Axiomatic >>16867550 in basket. What else?

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 22:55:50 2020 No.16875475
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I've tried reading City of Golden Shadow but this asshole is constantly lecturing the reader about race, sexual harassment and the environment, like what the fuck I just want to read a comfy story and have a good time.
What's his problem?
Deleted his books.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 22:56:04 2020 No.16875478

>>16869505
I think the reason so many fantasy stories get padded is because 1.) There's something awe-inspiring about a massive fantasy book, and 2.) tight, clean, well-thought out plotlines have taken a backseat to magic systems and lore and worldbuilding.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 22:56:56 2020 No.16875482 >>16875442 Try Exhalation by Chiang

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 23:01:31 2020 No.16875511 >>16875442 >What short story collections should I buy? Ted Chiang as per >>16875482 Michael Swanwick Three Moments of an Explosion - China Mieville The Visiting Privilege - Joy Williams

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 23:07:28 2020 No.16875560 >>16875482 >>16875511 Thank you. Have Stories of Your Life and Others, ironically titular short story was the only one I didn't finish in that collection. Others were pretty gud tho. How does Three Moments of an Explosion compare to Looking for Jake?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 23:11:08 2020 No.16875582 >>16875560 >Looking for Jake Have not read LFJ, but I've been reading Mieville on and off since PDSS and I consider Three Moments to be some of his best work. It's not all pure gold but a lot of it is.

Anonymous Wed Nov 25 23:17:27 2020 No.16875625

>>16875442
Axiomaticfag here.
I recommend Luminous as well but stay away from Instantiation. Post how you like(d) Axiomatic when you get there - those stories do some things I've yet to see elsewhere in sci-fi.
Depending on your funds, I'd look into grabbing the entire PKD short story collection but it may be more feasible to grab the e-books.
Diamond Dogs (and Turquoise Days) is a 2-story collection by Alastair Reynolds but Diamond Dogs is his best short.
Vacuum Diagrams by Stephen Baxter was good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 23:27:27 2020 No.16875690 >>16874826 >>16874839 Are you guys twelve or what?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 23:36:17 2020 No.16875742 >>16875690 Are you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 23:39:18 2020 No.16875764 File: 30 KB, 564x375, mugwump and burroughs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are any of you guys afraid of writing weird stories because of how your friends and relatives might react if they find out?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 23:56:31 2020 No.16875851 File: 94 KB, 500x208, death_by_teacup.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16875764 fuck off entirely

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 23:57:24 2020 No.16875857 >>16875851 tfw no riddick book

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 25 23:59:01 2020 No.16875867 >>16875851 What is that about?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 00:04:24 2020 No.16875886 >>16875867 it seems like it might be about drinking tea from an empty cup

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 00:12:14 2020 No.16875927 >>16873649 It happens all the time. Look at Anthony Ryan with blood song

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 00:13:18 2020 No.16875932 cuts and cuts and cuts

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 00:17:35 2020 No.16875952 the ishteribinth stuff in TGO was kinda boring, went on for way too long with the AAAAAAAAH IM GOING INSANE, felt like them descending to the bottom of the well with the pulley ark thing with the pigs was like 50 pages long, should have been shortened

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 00:20:38 2020 No.16875964 File: 76 KB, 643x425, both taken in 1993.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Recommend me some new-ish (2015-2020) SF stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 00:59:24 2020 No.16876156 >>16875964 No.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 01:47:31 2020 No.16876412 >>16875952 kek I thought the very same thing when I read it a few weeks ago CLACK CLACK CLACK CLAK He clearly had no editor for the 2nd part of the books

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 01:52:46 2020 No.16876432 >>16868560 Don't. I've read the first four and it was so bad I couldn't finish the fifth.

Anonymous Thu Nov 26 02:37:33 2020 No.16876649

>>16876412
"Mu'miorn!" the in-between soul that had once been Sorweel cried.

Clack ... Clack ... Clack ...

Gloom hooded the Great Entresol and Mu'miorn vanished among tangled shadows. Holol had been sheathed. Luminance filtered down from above. Pallid bodies roiled in the black.

Oinaral lunged toward him, resplendent before the horrid surge. He leapt into him, tackled him about the breast ... The youth glimpsed the Haul, bulbous black framed by ceilings stark with illumination. They sailed past the floor, and emptiness pulled them down and away.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 02:49:39 2020 No.16876707 File: 125 KB, 600x600, 1606237274110.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What percent of chapters do you expect to have some violence/fighting if you're reading a novel involving characters with superpowers/martial arts/magic training?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 02:50:31 2020 No.16876713 >>16876707 expect or demand/want? because expect like 50%

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 02:54:07 2020 No.16876730 >>16876707 Martial arts, I expect 60% at least. Superpowers and magic have other uses and no fighting is necessary.

Anonymous Thu Nov 26 02:58:26 2020 No.16876758
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>>16876713
well, is your demand higher or lower than your expectation?
>>16876730
>Superpowers and magic have other uses and no fighting is necessary.
Good point but even with martial arts you could always contrive some stupid shit where something like the Dim Mak is useful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urG1mhnFBjM

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 02:59:14 2020 No.16876764 >>16876758 i don't really have a demand i was just wondering in what sense you mean expectation

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 03:01:17 2020 No.16876775 File: 24 KB, 607x150, 1595997539293.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can anyone dislike this man? Look at how happy he is writing his Mormon superpower fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 03:02:44 2020 No.16876781 >>16876775 God I wish that were me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 03:03:17 2020 No.16876785 >>16876775 Based Mormon sperg

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 03:03:24 2020 No.16876786 >>16876775 I dislike his writing, not him per se, He's a good lad that genuinely loves what he's doing and his fans.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 03:25:15 2020 No.16876882 >>16876412 >He clearly had no editor for the 2nd part of the books Pretty his publisher made him split the last novel into two and it shows.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 03:26:24 2020 No.16876886 >>16876786 I dislike him and his writing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 03:29:28 2020 No.16876900 File: 36 KB, 450x450, sotc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's the worst piece of trash you got memed into reading? Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 03:30:04 2020 No.16876904 >>16876882 it was the opposite afaik, since he wanted the glossory/explainy thing you have at the end of a book, they got triggered about it and him being annoying to work with and outsourced the editing of the last two books and did the bare minimum

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 03:30:48 2020 No.16876912 >>16876900 unironically it was a Sanderson book, the evil Superman fanfic one it why my own fault for being addicted to capeshit at the time I don't blame Sandersama for putting in so little effort

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 04:07:27 2020 No.16877102 >>16873487 Why do people in this thread get so insecure over any criticism of anything they like?

Anonymous Thu Nov 26 04:46:26 2020 No.16877281
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>>16872212
I get you're ironically speaking in reverse here, but what is actually a good pace for writing then? When I'm not in a shitty state I try to knock out around a page a day, or every other day.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 04:53:40 2020 No.16877317 >>16877102 Why do people in this thread insist on carrying on, at length, about what they hate and why when it rarely generates anything other than shit-flinging and they could actually spend their time discussing things they read and liked?

Anonymous Thu Nov 26 04:57:35 2020 No.16877330

>>16866934
There's a book I read at some point when I was young. I remember almost nothing of it except that I'm pretty sure it was sci-fi and it had some sort of silver winged creatures.
In the past whenever I tried to google to find it I got results relating to the shrike from Hyperion which isn't the one I'm thinking of (good book though).
For all I know it was a trash book, I remember essentially nothing else (I think it was in a desert or rocky setting?). I found it on an old shelf in the early 00s.

Would anyone have any idea what book it could be? The OP image reminded me of it.

Anonymous Thu Nov 26 04:59:55 2020 No.16877337

>>16877317
You're doing it again. It comes off as insecure, like you can't handle reading criticism so you want to make them shut up so you don't have to see it. The anon posting about Dunsany didn't even say anything trollish and brought up a specific issue he had a problem with, but the response was still the same. Stop trying to stifle the free discussion of a work because it hurts your feelings.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 05:03:11 2020 No.16877348 >>16877337 >You're doing it again I just got here faggot. I don't know who you're STILL impotently arguing with in your own mind, but just fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 05:04:47 2020 No.16877351 >>16877348 It doesn't matter whether you're a different anon or not, because he (and you) are not the only ones that start to cry like women as soon as anyone says something negative. Grow up you stupid faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 05:08:41 2020 No.16877379 >>16877351 >get btfo >deflect Unironically NOU.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 05:13:07 2020 No.16877390 >>16877379 What am I deflecting? My first post >>16877102 said "people in this thread" not one specific anon. I don't care whether you're him or not. It's irrelevant to what I said.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 06:18:31 2020 No.16877608 >>16875625 What was wrong with Instantiation?

Anonymous Thu Nov 26 06:55:56 2020 No.16877752

>One only need ponder cowardice to unravel the complexities of Men- the reflex, like gagging, to forever be the one aggrieved. Who had suffered more than them (save the Scalded)? Who had endured more (save the murdered, the raped, the eaten)? ....

>So it was that their Exalt-General had *led* them into depravity, *commanded* the commision of acts so foul, so wicked, they could scarce be imagined.

Kino

Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:17:29 2020 No.16877854

>>16874876
What a dumb fucking take lmao. Bad guys are also dying because of their mistakes or flaws. Tywin is the great example of that. It's clearly shown that Ned's honor and just characteristics are the reason most of the North is conspiring against Boltons. Retard who wrote that post even said that, Martin thinks Daenerys should rule because she is the woman, where did he got that idea from, it's clear as a day that she will not rule iron throne. As always brainlet who has not read a source material talks the most, typical behavior of a midwit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:20:05 2020 No.16877868 >>16875690 they are just seething from getting totally btfo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:30:52 2020 No.16877927 Any cool fantasy books originally written in German? (preferably available on the US kindle store)

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:32:38 2020 No.16877937 >>16869756 >>16870922 >>16874734 >>16874839 >>16874856 >>16877379 >>16877868 samefag

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:35:03 2020 No.16877944 >>16877937 nope and even if all those posts were a same guy, that's not what samefagging is newfag. I new you were contrarian tourists kek. Next time try to not embarrass tourself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:36:07 2020 No.16877947 >>16877944 All of those posts were you, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:37:59 2020 No.16877953 >>16877947 nope, most of them were me yes. One of the posts literally cries about me retard. Dunsany one is not me. So yeah, lurk at least 2 years before you post.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:38:56 2020 No.16877956 >>16877953 >most of them were me yes Haha what a faggot

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:39:37 2020 No.16877959 >>16877956 Are you retarded o just pretending? You expect people to just post once right newfag?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:40:35 2020 No.16877963 >>16877959 btfo btfo!!! snort!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:41:42 2020 No.16877966 >>16877963 I broke you lmao. This is what happens when you try to be contrarian. Now dry your tears

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:42:29 2020 No.16877968 Could you cunts get a private room already

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:42:47 2020 No.16877969 >>16877966 You have been btfo buddy time to fuck off

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:43:11 2020 No.16877971 >>16877969 where my low IQ subhuman friend?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:43:58 2020 No.16877976 >>16877971 Is that a person who got btfo speaking? Haha

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:44:35 2020 No.16877980 >>16877976 I am still waiting, stop dodging my questions subhuman, now answer it

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:45:08 2020 No.16877983 Boyos, is the new storm light archive book any good? I dropped the last one for going full anime and repeating character arcs. Is it at least better then the last book?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:45:09 2020 No.16877982 >>16877980 I don't answer people who have been completely btfo

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:45:41 2020 No.16877986 >>16877982 So you can't I accept your concession.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:47:52 2020 No.16877992 File: 102 KB, 600x709, buttranged.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16877986 >t. btfo faggot

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:48:24 2020 No.16877993 >>16877992 now this is embarrassing anon, are you underage?

Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:49:35 2020 No.16877998

>>16877102
It's the third or fourth time that guy posted something about Elfland's daughter, and by this point he comes off as whining because some hyped classic didn't met his expectations. If he spent less time browsing this shitty thread it might take him less than a week to finish a 200 page long book lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:49:48 2020 No.16877999 >>16877993 see >>16877992

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:50:18 2020 No.16878003 >>16877999 see>>16877986

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:51:29 2020 No.16878012 >>16878003 see >>16877999

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:53:19 2020 No.16878019 >>16878012 you are not even trying at this point, pretty sad

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:54:28 2020 No.16878024 >>16878019 No reason to try when you have been thoroughly anally decimated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 07:55:05 2020 No.16878027 >>16878024 but it's not me who has a mental breakdown lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 08:08:03 2020 No.16878067 >>16875625 Put down Permutation City on page 80 or something. Hope his short stories wont dissapoint.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 08:17:42 2020 No.16878108 >>16868785 It's dragged down by Navani constantly being an idiot that blunders into Raboniel's schemes

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 08:21:57 2020 No.16878131 >>16874873 fuck you dude

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 08:34:36 2020 No.16878184 >>16878108 Is she ? The only time Navani's really tricked by Raboniel is when she assumed her conversation with the Siblings were secrets. Afterward she plays along in the hope of discovering how to make Anti-light to hopefully kill Fused.

Anonymous Thu Nov 26 08:45:50 2020 No.16878233

>>16878184
There's like 3-4 times Navani straight up furthers Raboniel's goals because she's can't lie to save her life
>Revealing where the protective device is
>Stormlight bomb that fails to kill Raboniel
>Voidlight info that Raboniel sends to Kholinar, so all of Odium's forces now have access to it
>Creation of Warlight
Navani had the best intentions, but she was also a dumbass the whole time

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 08:48:25 2020 No.16878252 I hope Sanderson gets a good nose-booper for the next book. The Pursuer was such a blatant filler video-game miniboss for Mclaladin to fight with. And Raboniel was well done so it's not like he can't do it at all. At least El already looks promising.

Anonymous Thu Nov 26 08:55:12 2020 No.16878287

>>16877608
A marriage of
>subpar plots, compared to the variance of his ideas in previous works
>far too much current-real-world political undertone
The only story that stuck out to me in the collection was a 3-parter because it had a nice double-layered twist involved
The weird thing is that one of Egan's previous stories involves a gay MC and, as a sideplot, it did a great job at exploring faggotry in the relationship (one example is that MC is a laid-back fag while his partner is a "I want to celebrate at every gay pride event"-type of flamboyant gay) so while you have MC trying to figure out the PLOT of the story, you have this side shit going on that goes far in detailing some normal possible concerns a fag might think.
Then Instantiation comes out and all this shit reads so tryhard and fake, like Egan has been transformed into a diamond dozen stereotypical agenda writer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 09:11:11 2020 No.16878362 >>16878287 >diamond dozen this has to be bait

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 09:28:28 2020 No.16878489 >>16877983 >Is it at least better then the last book? Only if you're invested in overarching cosmere mythology. Not much too new past that. I thought it was better overall myself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 09:29:34 2020 No.16878499 >>16878108 Navani's not an idiot, just plagued by self-doubt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 09:30:21 2020 No.16878506 >>16878499 >Navani's not an idiot >gets baited by Raboniel multiple times uh

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 09:31:28 2020 No.16878517 >>16877983 Worse OB = WoK > RoW > WoR

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 09:31:51 2020 No.16878521 >>16878233 >Navani straight up furthers Raboniel's goals Because she has no other recourse if she's playing for time. It's either that, or play dumb and the whole tower is unmade straight away.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 09:35:24 2020 No.16878537 >>16878506 >almost perma-kills one of the highest fused in existence and saves everyone by reviving the tower Ha ha, stormlight go brrrrrrrr.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 09:52:30 2020 No.16878624 File: 312 KB, 1080x1609, pg341.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You're in the club and one of these guys slaps your gf on the ass from six feet away. What do you do?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 10:01:11 2020 No.16878675 >>16878624 Slap his gf's ass

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 10:01:17 2020 No.16878677 >>16878624 I love these spergs

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 10:04:05 2020 No.16878698 File: 117 KB, 496x648, tla.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I haven't seen this little gem shilled in /sffg/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 10:13:38 2020 No.16878753 >>16878131 rude

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 10:18:33 2020 No.16878783 File: 413 KB, 750x844, latest[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Which literary character could beat the Shrike?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 10:22:39 2020 No.16878801 File: 404 KB, 2480x3345, Karsa Orlong.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16878783 With or without bloodoil

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 10:24:38 2020 No.16878811 >>16878801 You're smoking ice if you think Karsa could even scratch the Shrike, kid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 10:24:45 2020 No.16878814 >>16878783 anyone with plot armor. at the end of hyperion the shrike just dies out of nowhere.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 10:37:57 2020 No.16878894 File: 46 KB, 1280x720, shrek.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16878783

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 11:46:21 2020 No.16879284 >>16876900 Unironically The Name in the Wind

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 11:50:37 2020 No.16879318 File: 93 KB, 492x650, shrike.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16878624 You're in the club and this nonspaciotemporal entity slaps your lightcone on the ass, wat do?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 11:51:54 2020 No.16879326 >>16878783 Judge Holden

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 11:57:35 2020 No.16879374 >>16878517 Wait how is RoW above WoR? the fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 12:06:01 2020 No.16879430 >>16878362 it's a doggy dog world, faggot

>>	This isn't a gorillionpost(...) Thu Nov 26 12:20:40 2020 No.16879537 File: 19 KB, 228x412, aeala.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone else find >her later work to much more Christian than she'd let on to?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 13:10:20 2020 No.16879851 This thread isn't supposed to be about a single book.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 13:41:34 2020 No.16880062 >>16879851 Imagine when Winds of Winter releases.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 13:45:48 2020 No.16880091 >>16880062 I'd give it a week before the tread is back to Sanderbros talking about his latest book.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 13:47:32 2020 No.16880100 File: 290 KB, 1536x1536, 654566.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16876900

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 13:47:54 2020 No.16880105 >>16880062 Nothing will happen in the book because he has no way to progress the plot anymore, so it will be fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 26 14:52:32 2020 No.16880639 >>16880638 >>16880638 >>16880638

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