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>despised commies with a passion
>despised fascists with a passion

What on earth did this guy stand for?

>> No.16726542

Being an atheist

>> No.16726549

He stood for everyone who doesn't understand how the world works and who places emotion above reason.

Not a bad guy though, his books are decent.

>> No.16726551

>>16726537
The 80’s

>> No.16726552

>>16726537
more or less some kind of individualist anarcho-communism

>> No.16726562

Socialism, Which for most is just a vague "I want best for everyone" essentially without any steps to get there. Basically just saying "I'm a good person"

>> No.16726573

>>16726537
What a brainlet question

>> No.16726578

>>16726537
People think because he despised authoritative communist he wasn't a communist.

The guy was literally an open marxist.

>> No.16726581

>>16726537
centrist wank

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He believe wholeheartedly in the tenets of Islam.

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Being comfy

>> No.16726589

>>16726549
>>16726562
This

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I STAND FOR MY NURSE RATCHET BBYGIRL <3XOXO

>> No.16726591

>>16726578
He wasn't, you fucking retard. By the time he'd written both Animal Farm and 1984 he'd moved past it. You stupid fucking idiots always act as if because someone held an opinion at a single point in their life it's representative of their whole character.

>> No.16726600

>>16726551
fpbp

>> No.16726611

>>16726542
Still attended Church despite being an atheist

>>16726537
'Justice and Liberty' as far as I recall. Vague notions of what is 'right' without having any solid ground for judging them as such. Typical afterglow-of-Christianity era public figures.

>> No.16726621

>>16726591
He's a democratic socialist, i.e. marxist.

>> No.16726633

>>16726537
A Socialist United States of Europe. Not one with gays or feminists in it though because he thought they were cringe. He also disliked BBC (the black men's dicks not the broadcaster) fetishes.

>> No.16726659

>>16726621
Not at the time of writing his most famous works nor afterwards you stupid knuckledragging moron.

>> No.16726664

>>16726590
Dam she fine woman

>> No.16726667

>>16726633
Why the fuck do americans bring nigger dick into every discussion?

>> No.16726675

>>16726537
Stood for being a CIA psyop

>> No.16726683

>>16726659
He always maintained socialistically democratic knuckledragging principles.

>> No.16726686

>>16726659
what was he then

>> No.16726701

Orwell was a conflicted soul, a curious, bookish kid born respectable lower upper middle class family who had a disdain for the stultifyingly stratified milieu into which he found himself, first at a cruel public school and then as an enforcer for British overseas imperialism. He held a morbid curiosity, as well as a genuine sympathy, with the repressed, coal blackened poor and society's cast offs, unlike the bill of Marxist thinkers who only play pretend.
Orwell disliked fascism enough to fight against it, and eventually take a bullet for the cause with which he identified, which despite any outward label was a squashy, liberal socialism, or a muscular red Toryism light that espoused the British sense of fair play and a good cup of tea. He had no time for the "bearded fruit juice drinkers" effete left, nor for the Communists after the Spanish Civil War. He valued truth as a universal virtue and wrote towards a lifelong aim of getting these human truths onto the pages of his ouevre. In effect you could say he was based and redpilled.

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>>16726686
He was just a guy. The only people who don't participate in any party, yet brand themselves with political labels are usually teenagers/young adults or metal children. By the time you're an adult you're supposed to know enough to be able to tell that it's all bullshit.

>> No.16726717

>>16726686
He was just a guy. The only people who don't participate in any party, yet brand themselves with political labels are usually teenagers/young adults or mental children. By the time you're an adult you're supposed to know enough to be able to tell that it's all bullshit.

>> No.16726721

Democratic socialism

>> No.16726722

Why wouldn't you hate both when you realize they're both ends of authoritarianism? Communism being even worse with it's pro-technological worship.

>> No.16726737

this thread is why it's impossible to have a political conversation with americans

>> No.16726746

>>16726737
It's not just americans now. Everyone plays politics like it's team sports.

>> No.16726754

>>16726717
Vaginal non-answer, you had them going for most of the thread which I respect.

>> No.16726760

>>16726737
You could have said something interesting about what you thought Orwell believed in but no you chose to sling /int/ shit, you are the absolute worst type of poster and have no right to accuse anyone of anything

>> No.16726874

>>16726754
>Vaginal non-answer
Says the faggot picking teams like a woman.

>> No.16726904

>>16726537
>not fascist
>not communist
>get called an npc for not being on either political minority's side
Gee, guess I'll just take a coke.

>> No.16727010

He was retroactively refuted by pomo

>> No.16727067

>>16726760
good lord calm down before you give yourself an aneurysm anon
i don't need to say what i "think" orwell believed in. it was right there in his work. maybe if you read some of it instead of just throwing your toys out of your pram you might even understand some of it. he wrote in plain enough terms. read his essay "why i write" as a starting point. although if you are an american i suspect even that might be beyond you since i have never met an american who doesn't have some kind of breakdown at the word "socialism".

>> No.16727094

>>16726621
>a democratic socialist, i.e. marxist.
The absolute state of /lit

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>>16726537
>there are only two political ideologies

>> No.16727123

>>16726537

Democratic Socialism.

A form of non-Marxist Socialism.

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>>16726537
He was more of an anarchist.

>> No.16727131

>>16726537
The anglosphere is riddled with bourgeois socialists who seem to be against everything, but at the end of the day will backstab any meaningful change in favor of a moderantisme that perpetuates the bourgeois, anti-national power structure.

>> No.16727136

>>16726621

Non-Marxist Socialism exists.

Socialism predates Marx.

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>>16726537
Them dollar dollar bills, y’all. His works are required reading in English schools across the world, a greater feat than winning any Nobel.

>> No.16727146

>>16727136
Books on this?

>> No.16727160

>>16727143
that his shittiest books are used as glowie propaganda tools shouldn’t be orwell’s legacy desu

>> No.16727169

>poltard literally cannot understand basic political positions

>> No.16727184

>>16726621
democratic socialism is traditionally the workingman's politics and marx hated it

>> No.16727191

>>16726537
Horseshoe Theory.

>> No.16727195

>>16726621
good bait.
>>16727146
most books really. Christian ones, A lot of the statescraftsman, etc. Marx was not a man in a vaccum. His socialist theory is just an extremely influential one.

>> No.16727217

>>16727131
he loved normal people and their life and was very critical of his own class

>> No.16727239

>>16727146
To the Finland Station has chapters about the pre-Marxist socialists. A few of them dated back to the French Revolution.

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>>16727239
Forgot pic

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>>16726562
IT ISN'T VAUGE AT ALL

>>16726537
Anti-Leninists aren’t against communism. Because Leninism isn’t communism. No, don’t gimme that meme phrase again. They believe in a vanguard state with centralized capitalism as a way to communism.
That’s what Blair opposed.

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>>16727146
The section about Fra Dolcino’s uprising was interestingly revolutionary communist.

>> No.16727317

>>16727275
oh wow it's stupidbitcherfly posting more cringe faggot garbage in another lefty bait thread what a surprise

>> No.16727327

>>16726537
He was the typical western "it wasn't real communism" leftist

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>>16727143
>His works are required reading in English schools across the world
So that's why it seemed as if 1984 was being used as an instruction manual, it's because we raised kids with it...

>> No.16727787

>>16727305
You do realise that In the Name of the Rose is a massive metaphor about the debate between the PCI leadership and PCI opposition, and that Fra Dolcinio is an autonomist?

>> No.16728255

>>16726537
being a badass motherfacker centrist

>> No.16728260

>>16726537
>What on earth did this guy stand for?
radical labourism. Read Lion and Unicorn.

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>>16728255
>Anarchism
>centrist

>> No.16728286

>>16728262
shut up BITCH.

>> No.16728295

>>16726537
Perennial philosophy of the eternal race of greenpillers

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>>16728286

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>>16728286

>> No.16729064

>>16726667
lmao

>> No.16729141

>>16726659
Orwell was definitely a socialist / anarchist, he has said so, his friends have said so, his writings show this is true. What makes you think he wasn't at the time of writing his most "famous" works? There is absolutely no evidence for this.

Don't start with the >"but Animal Farm was intended as a critique of the Soviet Union which = socialist!"

>> No.16729196

>>16726537
wanking off