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What is the deal with ancient literature and scenes celebrating brutal mass violence? The Iliad, Odyssey, Old Testimate, etc make Hitler look like a hippie.

>> No.16713057

>>16713048
It's what men used to do before they went full soi.

>> No.16713066

>>16713057
It’s what men do when there are real women around

>> No.16713087

>Old Testimate

>> No.16713092

it was a different time...

>> No.16713094

>>16713066
unironically this

>> No.16713162

>>16713066
incel

>> No.16713168

It's often an exaggeration not unlike what we do today when we talk about football teams "destroying" each other. This is obvious in a few places of the Old Testament where it literally says every single person of certain groups were killed only to have them pop up later.

>> No.16713175

I still don't understand why Odysseus had to kill those poor servant girls.

>> No.16713192

>>16713175
Because they betrayed the house. They knew the suitors were effectively robbing the place but they caroused with them anyway. They're equivalent to French women sleeping with Nazis.

>> No.16713218

>>16713162
>calling men soiboys is allowed
>calling women dumb whores isn't

>> No.16713263

>>16713162
you’ll never

>> No.16713274

>>16713175
KILL THEM ALL mode

>> No.16713304

they're not. they're mostly narrow affairs.

>> No.16713334

>>16713168
or maybe the bible is just inconsistent cause it's a book of lies made up by some 2000~ year old desert peasants trying to start a cult

>> No.16713372

>>16713175
They dishonored him and his house.

>> No.16713396

>>16713048
the Lillylad, the Oedssie, the Old Testimate

>> No.16713403

>>16713334
Okay fedora.

>> No.16713924

>>16713334
actual fucking reddit take holy shit. Maybe read the Bible instead of Philip K. Dick or Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and come back with an informed opinion. Also, unsubscribing from the Amazing Atheist would be a good idea.

>> No.16713937

>>16713403
>>16713924
one meme

>> No.16713988

>>16713937
I DONT KNOW WHY

>> No.16713994

>>16713937
Not at all. The Bible is extremely consistent with an almost perfect understanding of cause and effect. I could literally write an entire book on just that aspect alone. If someone actually went through and factored all the Biblical stories, miracles, parables, and commandments into a linear algebra system and ran a series of complex numbers through it time after time, they would always come up with the same results. Where it would fail (and it always does) is in its lack of accuracy when it comes to predicting future events. The Bible is a very old book, and as such it's possible that it contains information that will no longer be relevant for predicting the future. For instance, the Bible claims that the Earth is the center gravity of the universe. This is no longer true given the discovery that there are several other planets in our solar system. Also, the Earth is only at the tip of a vast galactic iceberg, with many other species in similar positions. Finally, the Bible claims that human beings were the only intelligent life in the universe until the invention of the telescope and the invention of writing. These were obviously both incorrect. There are an almost uncountable amount of other lifeforms in this galaxy, and it's entirely possible that humans were not the only intelligent life in this universe.
That being said, I do believe the Bible is a book of rules and guidelines. It's not a book that should be taken literally for everything. There are a lot of moral and spiritual messages in there as well.

>> No.16714014

>>16713334
>>16713994
yikes and cringepilled to both of you

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>>16713087

>> No.16715565

>>16713175
Thot patrolling

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>>16713048
Dude, the violence in classical literature is unrefined, 100% organic, handcrafted, bespoke violence. The Nazis were the Cargill of extermination. If anything the Ancients were the hippies of slaughter. Classics are classics for a reason.

>> No.16715665

>>16713048
You could argue that it's the same reason that "civilised" nations like Australia and Canada played up how savage their soldiers were during the First World War: if you present yourself as a cold blooded killing machine who caves in the heads of thirty Huns before breakfast, you make yourself and the people at home feel safer. Literature reflects and encourages that bravado.

>> No.16715692

Hitler was a hippy. He was a vegetarian who thought smoking tobacco was bad for everyone but amphetamines were fine and he listened to terrible music. All he's missing is a tie-dye shirt and thanking Jerry in his speeches.

>> No.16716583

>>16713048
Because you're a pampered oversocialized modernite so you scoff at a better time.

>> No.16716587

>>16713192
>They knew the suitors were effectively robbing the place but they caroused with them anyway.
What are they suppose to do? They're not going to be able to stop a crowd of aggressive suitor males.

>> No.16716600

>>16713994
>Also, the Earth is only at the tip of a vast galactic iceberg, with many other species in similar positions. Finally, the Bible claims that human beings were the only intelligent life in the universe until the invention of the telescope and the invention of writing. These were obviously both incorrect. There are an almost uncountable amount of other lifeforms in this galaxy, and it's entirely possible that humans were not the only intelligent life in this universe.
There is, precisely, zero evidence of intelligent life on other planets in the Universe.

>> No.16716658

>>16716600
Alright, I'll admit it. There are alien beings in the Bible. In fact, they're mentioned quite a bit. You can't deny the fact that fallen angels, such as Lucifer, Satan, Mephistopheles, etc. were involved in the creation of humans. Also, the fact that Jesus Christ defeated Satan and his minions in the end is proof that there are higher beings involved in our creation.
However, I don't think the alien deniers are in the wrong. I think it's more of an anti-God position. Just like some people are anti-vaccine and deny the germ theory of disease despite all the evidence to the contrary, some people have a God denial. The problem with that is God is a Creator. He's not some magical energy being that created the universe out of nothing and then decided to get off the pot and not get involved any further. He's ALWAYS been involved. Like it or not, because of who he is, He established laws and rules that human beings must follow to continue their existence in our little corner of the universe. The problem with alien deniers is they not only deny God, but they also deny science. Denying science is dangerous. Denying God is just silly. Deny both at your own risk.
So my advice to you is, if you want to survive in this world, you need to either embrace God and His laws or the anti-Christ and his chaos. Your choice.

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>>16713162
>incel

>> No.16716710

>>16716658
we are the aliens.
>And he that has lived his appointed time well shall return again to his abode in his native star, and shall gain a life that is blessed and congenial but whoso has failed therein shall be changed into woman's nature at the second birth;

>> No.16716717

>>16716658
What a disingenuous and evil post. You offer no resolution, no perspective, just hare-brained concepts and ideas with no coherency to any of them.

>> No.16716784

>>16716587
They could not be whores

>> No.16716989

>>16716784
Again
>gang of horny males take up your establishment
>acting like some maiden actually has some choice in the matter when they force themselves upon them

>> No.16717007

>>16716989
A modern mind might have trouble understanding this but these servants had a duty to the house first and foremost. To abandon the master in a time of suffering is traitorous and they got a traitors fate.

>> No.16717009

>>16716989
Plus, I don't know what text you're reading but they weren't innocent rape victim. They willingly chose to party with enemies of the house.

>> No.16717029

>>16717007
>>16717009
If Odysseus didn't leave these women with spears and shields to defend the establishment, then what could they possibly do? I'm serious.

>> No.16717035

>>16716717
Do you want the truth because I assure you, you're going to hear it.

>> No.16717041

>>16717029
They could choose not to be whores. How are you having such a hard time with this? Dutch women didn't need a spear and shield to not sleep with Nazis during the invasion.

>> No.16717046

>>16717041
There were 108 fucking suitors. Any of them could have ganged up on one of the maids in any instant, and she would be helpless to stop it.

>> No.16717064

>>16717046
THE. WOMEN. CHOSE. TO. FUCK. THEM.

>> No.16717076

>>16717046
And of the servant women who stayed loyal to Odysseus' estate, literally none were killed or raped, by any party.

>> No.16717105

>>16713334
i hate how reductionist baiting is the most prevalent form of posting on this website

>> No.16717123

>>16717105
It's also kind of a way to learn things. Intentionally post dumb shit against your platform so other people can reflexively inform you and then you don't have to research shit yourself. It's interesting if also annoying as fuck.

>> No.16717439

>>16713168
Yes, the Amalekite genocide was merely exaggeration, and God getting pissed that Saul didn't kill everyone as he told him was also only a joke.

>> No.16717448

>>16717439
It wasnt just the Amalekites they genocided like 9 different peoples.

>> No.16717450

>>16717439
Why are fedoras suddenly popping up here again?

>> No.16717456

>>16717450
>Abrahamism is the only faith

>> No.16717462

>>16717456
Who are you quoting?

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>>16717462
>Who are you quoting?

>> No.16717508

>>16717483
Haha you got him

>> No.16717525

>>16717508
>And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

>> No.16717531

>>16717525
That's what's going to happen to you if you don't stop being a faggot.

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>>16717531
6 Then Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, and her name was Tamar. 7 But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord killed him. 8 And Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother’s wife and marry her, and raise up an heir to your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the heir would not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in to his brother’s wife, that he emitted on the ground, lest he should give an heir to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; therefore He killed him also.

>> No.16717563

>>16717556
Oh no people died, I'm so ashamed of my religion now.

>> No.16717577

>>16717563
Lack of empathy is a sure sign of psychopathy.

>> No.16717586

>>16717577
I agree. So what?

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16717658

>>16713334
Finally I can post this

>> No.16717785

>>16717658
But people died bro, that means god isn't real.

>> No.16718180

>>16714014
>yikes
faggot

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>>16713334

>> No.16718268

>>16717658
KEK

>> No.16718444

>>16717556
>God manages to save the near entirety of the Western world from ignorance and sin by three years of marching from place to place
Good plan, God. Came in well under budget.

>> No.16719939

>>16713403
>>16713924
>>16717658
I'm not even an atheist

>> No.16720113

>>16719939
You don't need to be retarded to act retarded.

>> No.16720192

>>16713048
Sometimes death is the most significant part of a persons life.

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>>16713048
The Iliad doesn't celebrate mass violence.

>> No.16720973

>>16716717
Good, the world could use less sense.

>> No.16720982

>>16713066
Can tell if your the perma once or a fuckin femmi

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16721354

>>16713057
No need to seethe, Pax Americana may end in our lifetime. Start hitting the range.

>> No.16721609

>>16713087
Kek

>> No.16721628

>>16717577
And autism, but that’s also associated with atheism, as empathy is associated not only with psychosis but also with empathy

>> No.16721633

>>16717046
Death before Dishonor

>> No.16722918

>>16713066
>everything he does in life is motivated by women