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Thomas Mann Anonymous Sun Nov 1 15:44:03 2020 No.16697536 [Reply] [Original]

whats his best book?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 15:46:41 2020 No.16697544 >>16697536 1. JOSEPH AND HIS BROTHERS 2. DOCTOR FAUSTUS 3. THE MAGIC MOUNTAIN

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 15:48:31 2020 No.16697549 >sodomite child molester >"best" anything Anything this ever did or touch has turned to shit. If I could go back and time travel and kill Mann, I would. The only word that describes one iota of his pathetic existence is worst.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 15:51:25 2020 No.16697558 >>16697536 Lotte in Weimar

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 15:56:52 2020 No.16697585 >>16697549 >having fantasies >acting out on them Two different things, fag.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 15:59:51 2020 No.16697598 >>16697544 good choices although I consider buddenbrook to be his greatest work

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 16:00:54 2020 No.16697606 >>16697549 he was a married man

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 16:02:14 2020 No.16697609 My favorite is a tie between Buddenbrooks and The Magic Mountain.Death in Venice is good.JaHB is too Jewish for me.DF requires knowledge of music and is boring

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 16:47:18 2020 No.16697810 Tonio Kröger

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 16:57:53 2020 No.16697871 The one where he fantasizes about assraping that polish child.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 18:28:24 2020 No.16698302 >>16697609 This is your mind on /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 18:32:41 2020 No.16698316 File: 21 KB, 653x435, 1599111598993.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16698302

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 22:51:57 2020 No.16699240

>>16697606
>doesn't excuse faggotry
>From wiki: "Delight over Eissi, who in his bath is terribly handsome. Find it very natural that I am in love with my son. Eissi lay reading in bed with his brown torso naked, which disconcerted me. I heard noise in the boys' room and surprised Eissi completely naked in front of Golo's bed acting foolish. Strong impression of his premasculine, gleaming body.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 23:04:37 2020 No.16699271 >>16697536 I'm a little confused about Joseph and his brothers, I've been wanting to read that book for a while but my bookstore only has Joseph the provider? Is it a standalone or do I need to read all four books?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 23:12:07 2020 No.16699298 >>16697549 >>16699240 Seethe

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 23:41:43 2020 No.16699399 A Man and His Doggo

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 23:49:41 2020 No.16699423 >>16698302 t. Kike No.I’m a militant Marxist

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 01:55:20 2020 No.16699783 >>16698316 >>16699423 AGGGHHHHH NOT THE JEWS IN MY BIBLICAL TALE AHHHHHHHHH STOP IT PLEASEEEEEE >>16699271 4 books in one. Just order the complete edition online.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 01:57:37 2020 No.16699790 >>16698302 >>16699783 some autistic anons taking someones joke too seriously. this is like if i said a woody allen was a little bit too jewish for me and a bunch of freaks started calling me a nazi

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 04:01:54 2020 No.16700107 >>16697609 What's the deal with Joseph, anyway? His other major works are all about the decline of Germany/Europe, so what made him decide to sacrifice almost two decades to write a doorstopper about a biblical story?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 04:23:20 2020 No.16700168 >>16697536 >>16697544 Why is Faustus held in such a high regard?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 06:56:23 2020 No.16700546 Tristan because its very short

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 07:04:02 2020 No.16700560
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>>16697536
JAHB > Buddenbrooks > Magic Mountain > Doctor Faustus
>disclaimer
I literally know nothing about music so my judgment on Faustus isn't in any way fair. It just seems to me that without some kind of education in music or musical theory, too much of it just goes over the head.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 07:39:15 2020 No.16700643 >>16700560 Why do you rate JaHB so highly?

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 08:23:03 2020 No.16700756

>>16700643
JAHB achieved for the generations of Jacob and Joseph what Paradise Lost achieved for the story of the Garden of Eden and the fall of man. The only difference is that one is a novel and the other is a poem. Regardless, it brings to the table incredible characterization, motivation, and frankly the most important to me and what was so remarkable about PL, the quality of dialogue in-between the major events that we remember from the stories and effectively segues those scenes in a way that feels completely human and authentic. You live with the characters, you don't just get told of their works or achievements in relative paraphrase. My favorite moments are when Jacob is lamenting his loss of Joseph to Eliezer, soiling himself and nearly profaning out of grief and desperation to have him back, and also Joseph's dream interpretation of the Pharaoh's dream after he is called from prison for the purpose. The conversations have beautiful and logical flow, it never feels hamfisted or forced in order to get to the point of addressing the crux of the issue. Given that we should already know what the resolutions to the various climaxes are, the real story play is the journey to get to those spots organically, and Thomas Mann imagines the scenes masterfully.

It also does a little bit of imagery/theme recall in the vein of Homer and Virgil which is a small touch but I loved it. It's almost as if to say, we may walk different paths but our lives are not actually so different. As Aeneas reached out to embrace the shade of his father, and Achilles reached out to embrace the shade of Patroclus, Jacob and Joseph each share a number of parallels with each other in their own lives, and it's just beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 08:30:21 2020 No.16700796 >>16700756 Garbage writing, just like your taste in literature. That's to be expected from a Mann pseud.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 08:34:21 2020 No.16700815 >>16700796 >i have no thoughts Try instagram

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 08:36:29 2020 No.16700820 >>16700815 >I'm impressed by a pseud author with no redeeming qualities in his work because he is popular among educated smoothbrains You're the one influenced by popular opinion, bud.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 08:44:42 2020 No.16700861 >>16700756 Nice. >>16700796 >>16700820 You sound bitter and stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 10:17:07 2020 No.16701251 >>16700756 Are you the guy that always shills JaHB or are there multiple?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 12:07:07 2020 No.16701845 >>16701251 I'm the same guy kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 13:00:15 2020 No.16702055 >>16701845 You are based.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 13:08:31 2020 No.16702089 >>16700107 Idk.Everyone agrees it’s strange.”Jacob”, the first part was good.The Joseph parts weren’t to my taste.It doesn’t help that I didn’t like him

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 13:14:16 2020 No.16702108

>>16701845
Mann is one of my favorite authors but JahB I couldn’t get into after “Jacob”.Maybe I’m misremembering but Joseph kinda felt like a Gary Stu, or, The Choosen One which put me off.Its been a while so I should give it another shot.Have you read any of the Lowe-Porter translations?All I’ve read are Woods(who I think does a superb job) and the Norton Critical of DiV(can’t recall the name, but I enjoyed it).I want to get a short story collections by Lowe-Porter but I’m hesitant

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 13:22:07 2020 No.16702145 >>16701845 Give me your detailed thoughts on Magic Mountain and Faustus, shill.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 13:58:41 2020 No.16702294 >>16700560 Based. Everyman's Library is visually perfect

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 15:42:27 2020 No.16702783 >>16697549 based mannhater litoids needs to hear what this man was...

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 15:55:31 2020 No.16702876

>>16699240
I dunno man, writer types in those days loved to say flowery shit like that to describe things. Doesn’t mean it was sexual in nature.
It’s sort of a fine line where if I hadn’t read death in Venice I’d think nothing of it. But since I did I can see why you’d get skeeved out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 15:58:33 2020 No.16702902 >>16702783 >NOOOOO YOU CAN'T FANTASIZE ABOUT A BOY, HOW DARE YOU AHHHHHHHHH

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 18:11:42 2020 No.16703577 >>16702783 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 18:12:41 2020 No.16703585 >>16702783 Separate the art from the artist

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 18:39:45 2020 No.16703725 >>16703585 why? I buy someone's books because I care what they think

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 19:07:44 2020 No.16703864 >>16703725 but the only time he was fag was in death in venice

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 19:11:53 2020 No.16703879 >>16702783 read "the magic mountain" that you will change your mind he won the nobel prize

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 21:15:48 2020 No.16704387 >>16703879 thats how you know he's shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 21:18:01 2020 No.16704398 >>16703725 Then you’ll never read anything because ever single writer has probably done or said something that you disagree with

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 21:23:35 2020 No.16704424 >>16704387 So your one of those guys, eh?Mann is a fine novelist.Curious who you think is good.Dont hate Mann because you will diddled as a child and it turned you into the faggot you are today.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 21:25:29 2020 No.16704438 >>16704424 >Dont hate Mann because you will diddled as a child and it turned you into the faggot you are today. isn't that what happened to Mann's kids?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 00:00:08 2020 No.16705228 File: 230 KB, 640x723, 1597566140372.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >OMG!! Did you see Thomas Mann's Wikipedia page

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 03:15:56 2020 No.16705965 >>16705228 Kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 09:43:26 2020 No.16707284 >>16697536 Faustus

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