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16691827 No.16691827 [Reply] [Original]

What is the point of studying western philosophy when Indians already said the same things but in much more clarity thousands of years earlier?

>> No.16691854
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I would be careful about reading Advaita Vedanta interpretations such as Shankara's as a commentary to the Upanishads, they are extremely reliant on Buddhist philosophy (Shankara is called a "cryptobuddhist" by most Hindus, and most scholars agree). If you want to read the Upanishads, work through them with editions and commentaries that aren't sectarian, or at least read an interpretation that is closer to the original meaning of the Upanishads, rather than Shankara's 9th century AD quasi-buddhism.

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According to who? The anglos that translated them?

>> No.16691898

What you call eastern "philosophy" isn't philosophy at all. Philosophy proper only exists in the west.

>> No.16691855,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>16691827
Ancient lit in India is backdated by many centuries. Scholarship has not totally caught up to correcting the record yet, but they are getting there.

>> No.16691906
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>>16691854
Both are ass, pic related is the goat.

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Only book you need

>> No.16691992

>>16691898
Semantics. Kant doesn't matter because an Indian already said the same thing.

>> No.16692016

>>16691827
they didn't

>> No.16692068

>>16691992
No they didn't you dumb orientalist larper.

>> No.16692107

>>16692068
Vedantic Hinduism and Yogachara Buddhism both developed forms of critical idealism within their philosophy. There isn't anything fundamentally important in Kant's work on that subject which the Indians had not anticipated over a millennium earlier.

>> No.16692112

>>16691827
All of Western philosophy is footnotes to eastern Philosophy.

>> No.16692115

>>16692107
I'm not going to argue with retards, go read your pajeet street shitting tales, i don't care.

>> No.16692290

>>16692107
This, also Indians invented toothpaste, mathematics, shoelaces, and whispering.

>> No.16692315

>>16692290
my dick is in love with pain

>> No.16692326

>>16691827
If you formalize it it will be read. I don't think it's formalized yet

>> No.16692342
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16692342

Indian philosophy? Too many words

>> No.16692453

>>16692326
Weherof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silence

>> No.16692478

>>16692326
>. I don't think it's formalized yet
define formalized

>> No.16692497

Why are indians from the past always depicted as very fair skinned, almost Arab like in features. What hppened to their blood lines? Did the great ABO nations find a way to conquer them?

>> No.16692518

>>16692497
lot of fair-skinned ones still. But I personally the dark skinned ones make my pp hard

>> No.16692524

>>16692497
It's a recent painting

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>>16692497
Aryan lineage with the kings, nobility, and brahmin

>> No.16692898

>>16692290
This, but unironically.

>> No.16692909

>>16691827
All those weird poo names and words are too hard to keep track off. Fuck that.

>> No.16693289

>>16691827
studying it helps prevent you from unintentionally making the same errors

>> No.16693548

>>16692326
Formalism is just a way of sneaking bullshit into seemingly intellectual discourse through fancy words and excessively long, roundabout elaborations on simple topics

>> No.16693614

>>16692497
same reason nips draw their anime with western features

>> No.16693621

>tfw you realize guenonfag is not even indian but literally worships pajeets

>> No.16694438

>>16692453
>following a Jew’s advice

>> No.16694652

>>16692107
Writing a bunch of airy fairy bullshit without the emaculate rigour of the western dialectical traditions renders the whole activity superfluous. Kant is written with a masterful rigour that the Indians could only hope to achieve, your whole tradition has always merely been awaiting an incorporation into the western tradition, on its own it's invalid

>> No.16694725

>>16691827
wut? faggot, look at your pic carefully. it is stupid hippies gathering.

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>>16691827
>thousands of years earlier
More like a thousand years later

>> No.16695838

>>16692478
>>16693548
Greeks aren't fully formalized but you know whether they're into objective truths, rationalism, their ethics, their rhetoric. I haven't seen a book that does this for others. If anything they're usually nationalistic and try to distance themselves from any sort of understanding outside their environment at the time.

>> No.16695857

>>16694652
Lol you don’t understand the point of philosophy if you think methodology inherently determines value. The Western philosophical, indigenous folk, and Eastern spiritual traditions are all satisfactory means for comprehending truth, and the variables in them are dependent on the wants of the practitioner. Remember when Hegel said the goal of philosophy is to excavate truth in all of its corners? The beauty of Kant isn’t that his method of discernment is exclusively valid and all others are bunk, but that he offers scientific language to concepts that have been largely defined poetically for thousands of years prior. Your brain on “the West is the Best!!” will have you overlooking how easily connections can be made across traditions, and how doing so is an excellent tool for enriching ones personal experience and understanding. Trust me, life gets a lot more interesting when you can integrate systems harmoniously to deepen knowledge.

>> No.16695867

>>16695857
>The Western philosophical, indigenous folk, and Eastern spiritual traditions are all satisfactory means for comprehending truth
No they aren't
>>16695857
>Your brain on “the West is the Best!!” will have you overlooking how easily connections can be made across traditions
I don't care, if all the knowledge is the same then the knowledge that's stated best wins, its that simple

>> No.16695881

>>16691827
>thousands of years earlier
>posts someone born in the middle ages
>hundreds of years/millennia after the greeks

>> No.16695887

>>16695867
If you don’t understand how the unity of poetic and scientific thinking produce otherwise impalpable depths of knowledge then you are grossly missing the point of being a “lover of wisdom”. Have fun with that, I guess.

>> No.16696059

>>16693621
I'm pretty sure he's Dutch.

>>16694652
>i spent a lot of time forming these hot takes and if you go out and just introduce new stuff my opinions won't be fun to argue about anymore :(
Low IQ post.

>>16692342
Based

>> No.16696172

>>16691827
Because Western philosophy is superior in every way, especially when compared to buddhism.

>> No.16696211

>>16695887
Have fun with street shitting poems then too I guess

>> No.16696251

>>16696172
This, ADD ridden intellectual wannabees can't stand buddhism due to a lack of inherent useless of mental gymnastics

>> No.16696258

>>16691827
Did ancient Indians have all the technology and sciences that we today possess?

No, then they cant possibly be the end all and be all of philosophy.

>> No.16696271

>>16695887
Look, Indian philosophy just kept the continent in an permanent medieval stasis, where the West where developing new ways of looking at the world.

You cant really look at a treatise on the history of the earth, a large skyscraper or modern economics and say, the Indians did that, because they didnt, but those works are all the result of certain philosophical ideas.

If the Indians had them, their world would be different.

>> No.16696344

>>16696271
Are you replying to the right post? What does this have to do with what I’m saying? I’m talking about how synthesizing different forms of thought is beneficial, not who developed best throughout history.

>> No.16696376

>>16694652
>Writing a bunch of airy fairy bullshit without the emaculate rigour of the western dialectical traditions
The Indian philosophical writings do engage in dialectical examination of the truth though, you just are just revealing your typical ignorance of the actual content of their writings

>Kant is written with a masterful rigour that the Indians could only hope to achieve
No it's not though, it's just a dry autistic rationalism that has no real insights of value which other people had not thought of first, his moral theory is laughable

>your whole tradition has always merely been awaiting an incorporation into the western tradition, on its own it's invalid
empty rhetoric which you are using to cover up your lack of knowledge of the thing you wish to criticize

>> No.16696484

>>16696271
>the 400 year old Anglo tradition of empiricism is a runaway success at understanding certain aspects of reality
>therefore, Pajeet treatises on aspects of reality other than those covered by Anglo empiricism are invalid
Huh? By your own view, most of Western philosophy is totally bunk. Kant and Plato didn't give us microwaves, milkshakes, and the Minions movie, so by your own account, they're junk.

>> No.16696708

>>16691827
>said the same things

Derp

>> No.16696985

>>16691992
Imagine being retarded enough to utter such bullshit.

>> No.16697260

>>16691906
Teacher!

>> No.16698182

>>16696172
Western philosophy is still playing catch-up to the Indians to this day

>> No.16699309

>>16691827
The oldest Hindu manuscripts are from the 9th century. There are older Daoist and Buddhist texts.