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Other than Schopenhauer who is the artist's philosopher?

>> No.16651305

Plotinus

>> No.16651311

no one cares about schopenhauer

>> No.16651330

>>16651311
Except for Tolstoy, Wagner, Thomas Mann, Prokofiev, Herman Melville, Thomas Mann, Thomas Hardy, Afanasy Fet, J.K. Huysmans and George Santayana.

>> No.16651333

art is for fags.

>> No.16651345

>>16651330
i.e., no artists
and even those you listed only talked about him because he was briefly a trendy salon philosopher for a couple decades; for women at cocktail parties
his influence was miniscule, and his ideas are totally worthless today

>> No.16651347

Nietzsche, Bergson, then there's Gaston Bachelard's Poetics of Space and Anne Carson's Eros the Bittersweet which are not philosophy per se but are rather heavy on references to philosophical works.

>> No.16651348

>>16651330
and Hitler

>> No.16651356

>>16651345
>Einstein: Schopenhauer is a genius.
>seething Anon on /lit/: schopenhauer is TOTALLY worthless bro trust me
I know who to believe.

>> No.16651357

>>16651345
At least try to make it a convincing bait

>> No.16651408

>>16651293
What if I cannot understand art? Am I fucked? Should I accelerate my consumption by the Will?

>> No.16651414

>>16651356
>>16651357
i realize you're going to defend him to the death because he's the one philosopher you've read besides Camus and your attempt at Plato's Republic, so maybe I should just let you continue on your path towards Guenon, Spenger, and rejected applications to your state university grad school programs

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>>16651311
go back to plebbit subhuman

>> No.16651419

>>16651408
>What if I cannot understand art?
What do you mean? How is it possible not to understand art?

>> No.16651430

>>16651293
Platon also had a major influence on artists, despite his cheeky comment, especially during the Renaissance

>> No.16651434

>>16651414
Not an argument

>> No.16651439

>>16651414
Yes, let us continue on our path and fuck off back to plebbit please.

>> No.16651445

>>16651330
>Thomas Mann^2
an irrelevant, mediocre writer

>> No.16651449

>>16651330
and Proust

>> No.16651456

>>16651330
Borges, Proust, Junger and Houellebecq

>> No.16651461

>>16651449
And Zola, Beckett, Maupassant, Mahler, Shaw Baudelaire

>> No.16651465

>>16651330
>>16651449
>>16651456
Highly patrician.

>> No.16651469

>>16651419
Not him. Most people like some artworks intuitively but it's not easy to define true art or to judge if a work is better than another one.

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>>16651293
How Schopenhauer is an artist's philosopher?
What is the criteria of being a Schopenhauerian artist?

>> No.16651540

>>16651502
he had some retarded idea that looking at art you lose sense of time and are therefore immune to how big and bad the world is.

being male, under 25, unpopular, showcasing work in your MFA rotunda, no gallery representation, your work getting aligned with conceptual art because how ugly it is even though you actually worship beauty

>> No.16651632

>>16651330
and me

>> No.16651662

>>16651540
>reddit spacing
What is it with redditors and their irrational hatred for Schopenhauer?

>> No.16651675

>>16651419
Maybe "understand" is not the correct word. But what if I'm not "moved" by it?

>> No.16651792

>>16651445
>irrelevant
Won a Nobel Prize
Considered one of the most influential writers of Germany
>mediocre
You clearly haven't read any of what he's written, if you did, you wouldn't be talking like your brain slipped out through your ass.

>> No.16651966

>>16651311
>>16651333
>>16651345
>>16651348
>>16651356
>>16651408
>>16651418
>>16651414
>>16651419
>>16651434
>>16651439
>>16651445
>>16651449
>>16651456
>>16651461
>>16651465
>>16651502
>>16651469
>>16651540
>>16651662
>>16651632
>>16651675
>>16651792
All these posts and only two actual answers to the question

>> No.16652008

>>16651345
>i.e., no artists
???

>> No.16652049

>>16651293
Ronald McDonald is unironically one of the greatest modern day philosophers, a truly genius refutation of Schopenhauer's anti-natalism. If life is more suffering than joy the solution is not to cease producing new life, but instead to accept the absurdity of McDonalds land. We need not live in pain, we can all eat McDoubles and wash away our pain with CocaCola(tm)

>> No.16652136

>>16652049
>The Schopenhauer was an antinatalist meme

>> No.16652155

>>16652049
This is the burger's attempt at philosophy. Babby steps...

>> No.16652163

>>16651293
Wagner, Nietzsche, icycalm

>> No.16652187

>>16652155
>Babby steps
If you think burgers can actually walk you've obviously never been to burgerland

>> No.16652209

>>16651540
how is escapism a "retarded idea"?

>> No.16653518

bump

>> No.16653582

Agamben’s philosophy that isn’t explicitly political is

>> No.16653878

voltaire

>> No.16653944

>>16651293
There are a lot of artist's philosophers, since the concept of art is an ill contructed concept itself. The germans found a historical solution working on the concept of poiesis; after that, art, as a categorial idea, was flatten to the point in wich art means nothing at all, even when academics and mediocre artists want to put every kind of production in it.
There are a few thinkers that I know that have ideas closer to what aesthetic production is, Klossowski may be one of them, Pollock too.
I would recomend you to be clever enough so you don't fall in the same mistake that ruined german theory of art: the idea that aesthetic experience is based on stop being yourself. I think Schopenhauer is one of the most aesthetic philosophers, but even him went down to the whole "art is which undo the condition of self", since they think the self and rational persona are the same think, which is obviously not.

>> No.16654054

>>16651293
Plato on one end, Nietzsche on the other. Heidegger inbetween.

>> No.16654682

>>16652136
It's not a fucking meme.
Go read on the suffering of the world for once faggot.

>> No.16654687

>>16651311
woman detected

>> No.16654694

>>16651293
Aristotle

>> No.16655439

>>16654682
I have read his whole corpus you faggot.
>If children were brought into the world by an act of pure reason alone, would the human race continue to exist? Would not a man rather have so much sympathy with the coming generation as to spare it the burden of existence? or at any rate not take it upon himself to impose that burden upon it in cold blood.
This is not a positive argument for antinatalism. He's decrying the tragedy of the perpetuation of the species sure, but he's not making an ought statement to not procreate. If you actually read Schopenhauer, you'd realise reason (ie. the function of the intellect in its a priori application of space, time and causality) is subordinated to the will. Following this, it is impossible for the individual to exercise the pure reason necessary for Schopenhauer's wish.

Have some reading reading comprehension and don't be so cocksure from now on.

>> No.16655480

>>16654694
Whyyyyyy?

>> No.16655490

>>16651293
Spinoza, on full display in Goethe. But without an organized and very powerful imagination he's perhaps best left alone.

>> No.16655492

>>16651445
It's *2 not ^2 retard

>> No.16655539

>>16651966
Well, it is a /lit/ thread.

>> No.16655546

>>16655480
His work on poetics set the framework for artistic production in painting, literature, music and theatre up until the late 19th/early 20th ce.

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>>16651305
Schopenhauer, Bergson, Emerson, Heidegger—whom artists adore/d—all found their basis is Plato and Plotinus.

>> No.16656615

>>16655439
Stop misinterpreting him. Schopenhauer praised rationalism.
If you're a natalist then you lack both the reason and sympathy, that's make you an absolute subhuman.