/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16625925]

Books that refute National Socialism?

[Anonymous No.16625934]

>>16625925
as far as you know

[Anonymous No.16625938]

>>16625925
Any textbook about 20th century.

[Anonymous No.16625950]

Nazism is a philosophy of praxis; the only refutation you need is a history book.

[Anonymous No.16625965]

>>16625925
>what values appease to me
How do you refute a philosophy
They just do different things

[Anonymous No.16625980]

There is no book that defeats National Socialism. That's a job for armies.

[Anonymous No.16625986]

>>16625925
Anything by carl schmitt

[Anonymous No.16625990]

Just about any book about WWII, you really need to be spoonfed this?

[Anonymous No.16626012]

>>16625925
history itself

[Anonymous No.16626027]

>>16625925
There is a lot of history books that will show you some of the problems that nat soc had, most of them has to be because of its reactionary view. What people know as "golden age" of something is just the pletoric period of change in history; when you are reactive to change, you cannot longer evolve or modulate yourself, so you die from atomization.

>>16625950
All political philosophy is praxis

[Anonymous No.16626080]

At the end of June of 1919 Treaty of Versailles was signed. Germany was to be completely neutered. In ten years the entire country would come together behind a painter who traveled from villainess to village speaking of a nation of the people. In ten more years not only did his party take over the country, but reclaimed the territory of the entire Holy Roman Empire and had the world shaking at the knees. It’s literally impossible to refute this absolute miracle. It negates itself when it began to value death over life and systematically annihilated millions of its own men women and children based on their relation to the people responsible for both of the world wars. Also the development of meth, morphine, and zyklon b completely destroyed what beauty was left in that part of the world. But even at its worst, it inspired something like America’s response to Japan. The possibility of global annihilation became a reality that continues to haunt the world today and has made global foreign policy, and by extension, peace treaty’s, global coalitions, a new world order, etc., a reality. All of this is due to a response to the germination that was the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.

[Anonymous No.16626083]

You know what defeats fascism?
Brave men and women with guns and nukes.

[Anonymous No.16626105]

>>16625980
Hearty kek my dood

[Anonymous No.16626111]

>>16626012
This

[Anonymous No.16626117]

>>16626105
That's what actually happened

[Anonymous No.16626123]

>>16626080
The only people systematically annihilated in WW2 were German civilians by allied bombers. The Holocaust did not happen and is post-war atrocity propaganda. Everyone ITT grow up and stop believing in jewish fairy tales please.

[Anonymous No.16626125]

>>16625925
Apart from rounding up the Jews what was actually bad about Hitler's Germany? It seems fine to me

[Anonymous No.16626127]

>>16626080
>zyklon b
oh my gawd not a delousing agent invented in the 20s to fight typhus D:

[Anonymous No.16626130]

>>16626083

[Anonymous No.16626131]

>>16626123
Ho no, /pol is leaking again, go back to your containment board and let us talk in peace

[Anonymous No.16626144]

>>16626131
I will not allow you peddle your nonsense unchallenged

[Anonymous No.16626145]

>>16626125
It went on what basically was a suicidal killing spree because otherwise it would collapse under the weight of its own contradictions : insanely fast rising debt, lowering social standards and isolation from the international trade network. It was doomed from the start.

[Anonymous No.16626147]

You don’t need books for that. Reality refutes nazism

[Anonymous No.16626154]

>>16626123
>>16626127

You have to be a complete retard to deny the fact that the entire population of german Jews were rounded up, put into ghettos, brutally assaulted and murdered before being used as forced labor in the war effort before being systematically annihilated as part of a final solution, documents we still have. 1500 per day in Treblinka alone.

[Anonymous No.16626159]

>>16626145
If Germany was isolated from the international trade network (and therefore finance), who was it borrowing all this money from?
It's almost like you're just making it up!
>lowering social standards
Outright lie, conditions were way improved over Weimar, that's not even contestable.

[Anonymous No.16626163]

>>16626147
Reality refutes war. If reality or >>16626012 history refuted Nazism, 1933 would never have happened. Please be funny if you intend to Larp history

[Anonymous No.16626168]

>>16626154
>rebuilt by the USSR
Really dude?

[Anonymous No.16626175]

>>16626168
>I love retroactive storytelling

[Anonymous No.16626180]

>>16626154
>entire population of german Jews were rounded up
yes
>put into ghettos
no, jews have been self-isolating in their own urban ghettos since europeans began recording history, what the fuck are you talking about? are you trying to say 'camps'? You're so self-assured and confident over something that makes zero sense.
>brutally assaulted and murdered
>used as forced labor
How can you be forced to work if you were just murdered, who are you talking about
>systematically annihilated as part of a final solution
citation needed
>documents we still have
Let's see them then
>1500 per day in Treblinka alone.
citation very much needed, also hilariously outside the limits of physical possibility given the facilities there

[Anonymous No.16626182]

>>16626145
>insanely fast rising debt
>lowering social standards
nein. It was isolated though because the banks were very mad at it

[Anonymous No.16626189]

>>16626175
I know, right? The fact that this retard thinks we can trust the USSR to rebuild Treblinka and add nothing to make the people they've been demonizing for the past twenty years look bad, but we can't trust them on their own internal documents detailing the systematic extermination of 10 million Ukrainians, is absolutely laughable.

[Anonymous No.16626203]

>>16625925
>muh jews
If you are unable to refute it on your own, you must be trapped by it's ideology augmenting your reality.
https://youtu.be/Cli5WNZ083c

[Anonymous No.16626205]

>>16626180
Nein commie

[Anonymous No.16626237]

>>16626180
there’s nothing funny about 1500 incinerated carcasses dumbass

[Anonymous No.16626246]

>>16626154
>1500 per day in Treblinka alone.
The official figure is actually 1 million Jews at Treblinka over a little over a year, plus half a million or so non-Jews.

[Anonymous No.16626252]

[Anonymous No.16626254]

>>16626237
Do you have any idea how much fuel it would take to burn that many bodies?
And yet there are no work orders recording the importation of the huge quantities needed to burn these bodies, why is this?
Hope you understand how crucial this question actually is, because the bodies HAVE to have been burned for the jewish narrative since the bodies are nowhere to be found.

[Anonymous No.16626261]

>>16626246
there is no 'official' figure, different holocaust historians assign different numbers to different camps but they all come out to 6 million no matter what

[Anonymous No.16626263]

>>16625950
This. Nazi does not claim truth exists from an external world of stable meanings and systems, Nazism does not derive its truth from a stable system of meanings.

Nazism derives its truth claims from force of action in the world. I wouldn't use the word "praxis" because it has a specific association with proletarian autogestation. But Nazism is a claim that force is will and will is the world.

So the actions of the working classes of the USSR, United States, British Empire and France, along with a host of other minor continental powers like France, demonstrates that Nazism has been refuted. Its force of will died in the Battle of Berlin.

[Anonymous No.16626266]

>>16626180
>jews have been self-isolating in their own urban ghettos
u r an idiot

[Anonymous No.16626274]

>>16626027
>All political philosophy is praxis
No it fucken isn't. Liberalism with "Responsibility to Protect" relies on the abstract "human" as a category. Reactionary politics roots itself in the eternal religion ideal. Both of these are clearly ideal categories. The racial categories of Nazis were so permiable that they only reflected will to force, not external reality or an eternal ideal.

I mean compare these two statements, "All men are born equal," with "Germans are destined to settle the east." See how one is phrased as a universal, and the other a future conditional?

[Anonymous No.16626276]

>>16626266
No, I'm not, I actually know jewish history and you don't.

[Anonymous No.16626279]

>>16626261
>blah blah blah nazi shit blah blah blah
Fuck off back to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.16626338]

>>16626279

[Anonymous No.16626339]

>>16626180
fuck you mods for deleting my post

[Anonymous No.16626359]

>>16626276
Than you would know that many of the richest people in Germany in 1933 were Jewish, not living in ghettos, but living in opulence, highly educated and ridiculously talented, and if they didn’t flee they were rounded up, robbed, forced into ghettos before being forced into work camps, that is if they hadn’t died of starvation or some nazi’s temper tantrum. You are an idiot.

[Anonymous No.16626372]

>>16626237
also deleted my other reply to this guy, eat shit you fucking faggot moderator

[Anonymous No.16626406]

>>16626338
Who cares about the numbers? That one innocent child died like firewood under the hands of psychotic war agendas is enough. Yes, not all the innocent lives taken in WWII were Jewish, but as far as Germany goes it was a complete Jewish tragedy. You have to be an absolute imbecile to deny this

[Anonymous No.16626416]

>>16626123
why do leftists embrace atrocities committed by their side, but the right consistently denies every morally questionable thing committed by their side?

[Anonymous No.16626418]

>>16626359
Nothing more just in this world than jewish capitalists being forced to perform labor could ever exist. Living in opulence at the height of the great depression, imagine that. Yes you're right cosmopolitan jews did not live in ghettos and were briefly forced to live among their own kind (the horror) before being deported to the east.
>that is if they hadn’t died of starvation
Oh i thought it was gas chambers? Everyone makes up their holocaust lmao
>or some nazi’s temper tantrum
Mm no, there's many cases of guards being disciplined for mistreating prisoners, there was not some kind of problem of rampant abuse of them.

[Anonymous No.16626434]

>>16626416
>stop contesting fabricated accusations you nazis!

[Anonymous No.16626441]

>>16626406
>as far as Germany goes it was a complete Jewish tragedy
could it be that it was.... a German tragedy?

[Anonymous No.16626450]

>>16626418
That your ok with systematically murdering Jewish people is one thing, but denying history is cheap dishonesty

[Anonymous No.16626483]

>>16626450
k

[Anonymous No.16626488]

>>16625925
There are none. National Socialism is eternal truth.

[Anonymous No.16626489]

>>16626263
>Its force of will died in the Battle of Berlin.
more like battle of britain. everything after that was just world-class bungling that basically guaranteed harsh global response. the nazi cries out in pain as he strikes you: hitler and his merry men coped, seethed and finally dilated as the red army penetrated the reich

[Anonymous No.16626501]

>>16626441
Human tragedy

[Anonymous No.16626506]

>>16626501
humanism is vile

[Anonymous No.16626508]

>>16626488
Absolutely without the power tripping, petty war mongering and pseudoscientific eugenics- without a doubt a beautiful movement in the history of the world

[Anonymous No.16626511]

>>16626489
"They just move group 11 north."

BoB wasn't particularly determinant.

The resilliance of the UK state as capitalism, and the supply of an eternal "second layer" of pro-war capitalist governments (Labour, CPGB) under any social crisis is determinant.

The resilliance of the USSR state as capitalism, and the supply of an eternal second layer of pro-war capitalist governments within the party under any social crisis is determinant.

Then you just do the numbers and the MEFO economy collapses first. Admittedly with a few tens of millions of dead soviet citizens.

[Anonymous No.16626513]

Fucking faggot tranny mod deleting any post that contests the holocaust ITT

[Anonymous No.16626516]

>>16626506
No isms

[Anonymous No.16626526]

>>16625925
Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.16626535]

>>16626416
Ooo so u never had a talk with fucking Stalinist, arent you?

[Anonymous No.16626680]

>>16626434
Nazis killed 6 million Jews
embrace it you giant quivering pussy

[Anonymous No.16626741]

>>16626680
Germans, Poles, French, Dutch, Latvians, Litts, Estonians, Slovaks, Ukranians, Croats, Italians killed 5-7 million declared by the German state apparatus as Jews.
Now let's talk about the 20 million dead soviet citizens. Some of whom are also counted above.

[Anonymous No.16626758]

>>16626027
>All political philosophy is praxis
Wrong

[Anonymous No.16626761]

>>16626416
If it had actually happened the world today would be a lot different than what it is. Their population doubled shortly after the war. Must be magic.

[Anonymous No.16626817]

>>16626741
No doubt Soviet civilian losses were also in the millions and also a complete tragedy/atrocity. War is terrible

[Anonymous No.16626822]

>>16626758
>Ted is a hero
>Zizek is the useless one

[Anonymous No.16626856]

>>16626817
This is /lit/ so you should actually learn what tragedy is. Start with Aristotle. He's wrong, but he's seminal.

I recommend you don't start with Soviet Evidence Nuremberg, Browning's Ordinary Men, the sourcebook in English translation The Good Old Days.

[Anonymous No.16626884]

>>16625980
>>what values appease to me

[Anonymous No.16626963]

>>16626856
>HEY YOU GUUUYS

[Anonymous No.16627110]

>>16626359
All those commas only to use than instead of then lol

[Anonymous No.16627149]

It's a retarded ideology that's already been refuted to death. The fact that only degenerates and contrarians are attracted to it in the current year says it all

[Anonymous No.16627160]

>>16625925

Easy

[Anonymous No.16627172]

>>16627160
Diamond is a Papua New-Guinean supremacist anon, he can't be trusted.

[Anonymous No.16627229]

IQ doesn't mean much. I know very intelligent aryan men who once suffered in their own pit of despair because they weren't raised well, bullied, etc. All they wanted was affection.
Fascism is built on anger and trauma. It's like raising lawn pitbulls. Eventually their usefulness ceases to be when it comes to the pursuit of knowledge, because it all boils down to nihilism. Just take a look at Unit 731: turns out there was nothing of usefulness or substance found in those experiments. The reason US scientists generally wanted to acquire at the time was due to the concept of forbidden fruit, believing that lawful and ethical prohibitions could affect the outcomes of their research. Japan was literally a population of psychopaths because of their ideology.
Race never determines character.

When we are talking about the mind, is a particular understanding of what reality is. It's this habit that we have that we don't or are not aware of anymore: it's a very humanistic habit. It's the habit of always projecting outside of ourselves. If you are not able to project outside of yourself, you are an incomplete human being i.e. mindless. If you are mindless, you are only driven by passions because you are only concerned with getting ahead in life for yourself. This is why historically ancient cultures and modern day ones could practice all kinds of things that we object to. If you can project outside of yourself, you create this concept of empathy. You understand that what I do can hurt someone else, and therefore it can hurt me. A mind that doesn't understand how to project outside of itself tends not to understand that concept of hurt outside the self.
[5:36 AM]
And this is part of the culture war people keep talking about nowadays. Ideas create humanity, the mind, is only available to the Greeks i.e. the greeks discovered it.. not the egyptians, not indians, not the chinese, is that none of these ancient cultures were able to project the mind outside their own particular world. For the chinese, there was no world outside of china. For the indians, it was forbidden to cross the oceans - its a sin. For the ancient mesopotamians and egyptians, these were extremely inward-looking cultures.

This was all possible due to literature, and the creation of new pronouns and words in Homeric Greek. Hence memetics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAbZ8zUq34s

A problem with consciousness is a problem with language. There are no paradoxes in nature.

Anyone who thinks like a Greek, is a Greek. Ideas is what makes us human beings. This is our great affinity. If we think alike, we are a group. This unfortunately, in recent history, becomes misused as DNA or genes and gets projected out as racism and whatnot. What we are really talking about is idea or what unites us is the commonality of ideas, and this is what Hellenism does in the East. It was never fully about our biological features all this time

[Anonymous No.16627238]

Science couldn't have been perceived if it weren't for mysticism, and it was thanks to science and wisdom that we as a species survived.
There are many patterns in nature, and clues that point towards something greater.
Right now science is stuck in a rut, and it seeks for ideas.

We have to follow what's already been given but many of us seem to forgot: Christ' golden rule - to treat others well as you want to be treated, Crowley's 'love is the law, love under will', Hegel's struggle for recognition, Plotinus' conception of chain of being are just many of these examples that seem to point towards the conception that all of humanity's restless thriving have just simply been the want to unite.

https://youtu.be/xBeoreJr4Yc

Unity consciousness is the end goal of life. Both love and wisdom will bring us towards this.
While that being said, all things must be dealt in moderation before we can get to this goal -- "As above, so below". Life's absence of good, evil, only comes from extremes

[Anonymous No.16627253]

IQ doesn't mean much. I know very intelligent aryan men who once suffered in their own pit of despair because they weren't raised well, bullied, etc. All they wanted was affection.
Fascism is built on anger and trauma. It's like raising lawn pitbulls. Eventually their usefulness ceases to be when it comes to the pursuit of knowledge, because it all boils down to nihilism. Just take a look at Unit 731: turns out there was nothing of usefulness or substance found in those experiments. The reason US scientists generally wanted to acquire at the time was due to the concept of forbidden fruit, believing that lawful and ethical prohibitions could affect the outcomes of their research. Japan was literally a population of psychopaths because of their ideology.
Race never determines character.

When we are talking about the mind, is a particular understanding of what reality is. It's this habit that we have that we don't or are not aware of anymore: it's a very humanistic habit. It's the habit of always projecting outside of ourselves. If you are not able to project outside of yourself, you are an incomplete human being i.e. mindless. If you are mindless, you are only driven by passions because you are only concerned with getting ahead in life for yourself. This is why historically ancient cultures and modern day ones could practice all kinds of things that we object to. If you can project outside of yourself, you create this concept of empathy. You understand that what I do can hurt someone else, and therefore it can hurt me. A mind that doesn't understand how to project outside of itself tends not to understand that concept of hurt outside the self.
And this is part of the culture war people keep talking about nowadays. Ideas create humanity, the mind, is only available to the Greeks i.e. the greeks discovered it.. not the egyptians, not indians, not the chinese, is that none of these ancient cultures were able to project the mind outside their own particular world. For the chinese, there was no world outside of china. For the indians, it was forbidden to cross the oceans - its a sin. For the ancient mesopotamians and egyptians, these were extremely inward-looking cultures.

This was all possible due to literature, and the creation of new pronouns and words in Homeric Greek. Hence memetics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAbZ8zUq34s

A problem with consciousness is a problem with language. There are no paradoxes in nature.

Anyone who thinks like a Greek, is a Greek. Ideas is what makes us human beings. This is our great affinity. If we think alike, we are a group. This unfortunately, in recent history, becomes misused as DNA or genes and gets projected out as racism and whatnot. What we are really talking about is idea or what unites us is the commonality of ideas, and this is what Hellenism does in the East. It was never fully about our biological features all this time

[Anonymous No.16627260]

>>16626822
Correct.

[Anonymous No.16627282]

>>16627260
he misspelt an hero

[Anonymous No.16627351]

My diary desu

[Anonymous No.16627479]

bump

[Anonymous No.16627492]

All you have to do to see that fascism was right is to take a fucking look outside. But yeah at least we're not talking German, right?

[Anonymous No.16627647]

>>16627492
Stop blaming the player(s). Blame the game

[Anonymous No.16627827]

>>16625934
>translated by (((miller)))

[Anonymous No.16628041]

>>16627253
>takes a giant shit on you

[Anonymous No.16628048]

>>16627253
>What is the Decalogue

[Anonymous No.16628064]

>>16627253
Orthopraxy creates humanity

[Anonymous No.16628079]

>>16626416
Nazis were leftists dumbcunt

[Anonymous No.16628088]

>>16625938
>>16625950
>>16625980
>>16625990
>>16626012
>>16626083
>>16626111
I can only assume this is excellently composed irony-posting

[Anonymous No.16628105]

>>16628064
"projecting outside oneself" is just being anti-dogmatic.
imo it doesn't just come down to the fact that we think alike, rather it is our capacity to reason that makes us human the most...
And that's what it all comes down to. Western concepts of reason were founded on these greek ideals. It is the most rational and reasonable thing to try and put yourself in your opponents (or anyone whose opinion you're trying to understand) shoes

How are you supposed to understand their point if you can't even pretend it was right for a second?

[Anonymous No.16628161]

>>16628105
“The Greeks” were mostly Phoenician and Persian grandchildren. Not only that, Plato and almost all the Greek scholars before him, like Pythagoras, spent no less than a decade in Egypt studying under scribes. Aristotle himself ripped wholesale what Alexander would send back in the form of books he would collect and write under his own name. The only thing purely greek is My Big Fat Greek Wedding

[Anonymous No.16628273]

>>16628161
Yes. But it was literature - between Homer and Plato -, not philosophy, that has helped us better conceptualize the mind

[Anonymous No.16628275]

>>16628161
>Phoenician and Greek civilization is connected.
Woah! That's crazy, OK now why does anyone care?

[Anonymous No.16628281]

>>16628161
Yes. But it was literature of the Greeks - in the creations of epic and lyric poetry, and in the drama- between Homer and Plato -, not philosophy, that has helped us better conceptualize the mind, according to Bruno Snell

[Anonymous No.16628404]

>>16628041
>>16628048
>>16628161
Yes. But it was literature of the Greeks - in the creations of epic and lyric poetry, and in the drama- between Homer and Plato -, not philosophy, that has helped us better conceptualize the mind, according to Bruno Snell

[Anonymous No.16628439]

>>16625925
It refutes itself. Only lasted 11 years and everyone in charge of it shot themselves or hanged.

[Anonymous No.16628484]

>>16628439
How many trannies can come to one thread and say the exact same thing? The irony of course is that the same trannies turn around and accuse the police or Blumpf or whoever else of being fascist. Fascism is a very poorly defined word when you consider it as anything other than a few discreet 20th century political movements. To what extent is nationalism fascist? To what extent is socialism with an eye to the nation fascist? To what extent is authoritarianism fascist? To what extent is perennialism fascist? All of these concepts, which certainly live on to this day, are conflated with fascism, are associated with what people conceive as "fascist". Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.16628494]

So essentially no there are not any books that refute National Socialism.

[Anonymous No.16628522]

>>16628484
From mussy himself

Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death....

...The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after...

...Fascism is the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absurd conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress

[Anonymous No.16628528]

>>16627253
>There are no paradoxes in nature.
No

[Anonymous No.16628536]

>>16628522
So much static. Too many general ideas. Is this a self-help philosophy?

[Anonymous No.16628542]

>>16627253
>Eventually their usefulness ceases to be when it comes to the pursuit of knowledge, because it all boils down to nihilism
Existential knowledge is still knowledge.
Battle doesn't need to be psychotic to be developmental

[Anonymous No.16628551]

>>16627253
>This is why historically ancient cultures and modern day ones could practice all kinds of things that we object to.
Also no
Sacrifice plays a role in the cosmic wheel

[Anonymous No.16628565]

>>16628439
If its so fucking anemic why is everyone so goddamn afraid of it?

[Anonymous No.16628586]

>>16627253
>indians
>not able to project the mind outside their own particular world
Dude you're dreaming

Listen
The narrative painting is fine but it's too g to take WAY more fuckin work than you realize at this point because of the insane tribalism flares and the rhetoric it has everyone consuming as a means for ammo. Battle creates stimulation. Add rhetoric during stimulation you get harder coding.

I am willing to go along with "state of mind", but I'm not going to act like there isn't a ton of extremely varied background "state of mind" written in the lineage conditioning of people.
That said, I'll go along with the perspective that it's almost entirely immediate culture and immediate environment. Socially speaking, I'd even speak that absolutely as it is much more liberating.
But you're gonna have to work on your expression of this sort of stuff and how you approach it.

The flames of racism are too hot right now, and the fact that "whites" are told that you cant be racist against them is only fueling it.

Nature is expecting a monumental feat with all this shit right now desu.

[Anonymous No.16628591]

>>16628536
These are select pieces snipped out. It's not meant to be read as a singular cohesive piece.

[Anonymous No.16628597]

>>16625925
Liberty or Equality: The Challenge of Our Time by Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn; /pol/ would die if read massively.

A favorite of Moldbug.

https://mises.org/library/liberty-or-equality-challenge-our-time

[Anonymous No.16628610]

>>16628551
Yes, you can't have one over the other. Yada yada yada.
But you need to know the right context in how you apply these laws. It's like, bringing up the law of thermodynamics in sociology. Things come and go, no shit. But does animal sacrifice really bring us anything? People make assumptions about these things all the time, when turns out the costs outweigh the outcomes.

You need to dwell on the subject matter by the detail, not through assumptions. These laws exists, yes, but so do consequences caused by myopic and lazy actions

Anti-intellectualism and distrust of science seems to be the general consensus nowadays. I can understand with the political and cultural landscape nowadays, though you need to get over your trauma and past experiences if you wish to reach true enlightenment.

[Anonymous No.16628613]

>>16627238
I can tell you have access or likely come from a wealthy family

Science needs experimentation and not dogma
Lean bio
Lean renaissance mind
Introduce more "experimental scientific kits" at the consumer level and push marketing.

As the quantum realm opens up, you need more subjectivity in culture.
Advancement will continue to stagnate the more objective centric we remain.

[Anonymous No.16628623]

>>16628536
>duty and general masculine virtues
>war!
>Hegel?
>Anti-democracy, anti-equality
It is very vague, and these values are present in innumerable societies to some extent or another. The war on Fascism was always a matter of politics and regional power. Germany didn't go to war because of fascism it went to war for the same reason it went to war in 1914 and the same reason it went to war in 1870.
So many muddleheaded people here.

[Anonymous No.16628664]

>>16628586
During the time Alexander went to India, he set up a whole bunch of city-states along the way. One of these was Bactria which was a great place of intellectual ferment between Hellenistic West and the Indians. We say that the body, or rather the individual, is like a chariot. If you take away its wheels, it is no longer a chariot. If you take away the reins, horses, axles, it's no longer a chariot. Much like that, the Hindus/Buddhists conceives of the individual, who is selfless, in and of itself but it's as if the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. How do we reconcile this vision of the world with the Western insistence of the self - the divine spark at the soul of people, that lives on after death and it accumulates all sorts of baggage throughout the life of the individual?

What we're seeing is an important amalgamation between the East and the West.

We don't know too much what was in the East before the Greeks showed up. The core topic being, where does the Greek stop and the East begin? We don't really know. Menander writing about Buddhism -- is he writing about purely Hinduism/Buddhism or is he writing about Greek philosophy? These are layers that have to be peeled back. If we project our structures back onto the past, we have a serious problem and then we start to construct the past rather than allow it to tell us about itself. This is the problem of the faith systems of the East. Despite so much written about it, we know very little about them. A lot of what we know has been through the anthropological endeavors of the British in the East. As valiant and great these efforts were in codifying these stuff, what it does do is that it creates a methodology that the native populations then pick up and use and match them up with "matching narratives" or whatever's "equivalent" or perhaps compatible they might say with wester ones or Christian ones. Concrete structure becomes crystallized where there was none, where it was more syncretic and maybe idiosyncratic, and animistic, and polytheistic: it gets all jumbled up together and this starts to get systematized as "Hinduism"

[Anonymous No.16628665]

>>16628610
>But you need to know the right context in how you apply these laws.
I understand

I appreciate what you are putting out, and I don't want to challenge your belief, but it's for the times and it's riding a wave.
The sacrifice of now is more of self than others.

Sacrificing what is important to us towards the wellspring we wish to drink from can afford us it's nectar.
What matters is the cost to us personally, not just culturally.

Honestly, if i were you in social discussion, I would probably dial back from attack the distrust of the sciences right now. The sciences need to taste some steel. Much of their dogma has become fruitless, much of their fruits have been hoarded, and much of their truths have been hidden.
It's at the point where new-agers should dismiss the bull of it and get straight to experimentation and new language themselves. Sciences language is also a massive problem. It's methods are also proving their limits.
Say what you want against or for aether, it doesn't matter. Tesla believed in it, and thus he used it. But to no end "science" will refute it. Now who is going to think in these terms?
The egotism and elitism is an absolute death blow to curiosity.
So yes, it needs to be attacked.
Fruitless dogma=Kali. Always.

I have experienced enlightenment which is why I can tell you probably have too.
I am aware of what time it is, perhaps I was being pedantic.

[Anonymous No.16628729]

>>16628664
>What we're seeing is an important amalgamation between the East and the West.
I'm aware
And I would also implore you to study your matriachies going forward in amalgamation with added respect to the indigenous as a symbolic segue

When it comes to the "spirit of the east", I am far more inclined to close all books and get purely existential and subjective. Renaissance approach to redefining life in a modern context rather than hard modelling off the old world. But that's just my place in this.
Right now we are seeing MANY selves instead of singular self, and imo that convolution will dissolve itself into more absence of self as we choke ourselves on the stress of the information age.
Western art and science in general needs a renaissance, a renaissance approach, and emergence. Science language and artistic experimentation is a good place to start. America won't beat China's manufacture machine, but it will obliterate it in the creative realm.

Singular careers turn people into corporate slavery and narrow their field of view, there needs to be more branch swinging if there's diversity so people can understand each other and different subjects more.
I really don't see self as a concept dissolving in the West in our time, but I can see the self embracing rotating selves as a means to understand the "absence of self" better.

[Anonymous No.16629209]

>>16625986
>Carl Schmitt was a German jurist, political theorist, and prominent member of the Nazi Party.
wut

[Anonymous No.16629241]

>>16625925
why dont you just stop being spoonfed history and apply some critical thinking to your world view?

[Anonymous No.16629243]

>>16626263
You mean the obedience of the working classes? Natsoc was very pro-science and socially conservative (both quite 'stable' sources of meaning). If you look around today at our clown world and how neoliberal globalists censor empirical observation and pervert time-tested social mores, it could easily be argued that they are far more 'will the truth' than the Natsocs ever were.

Nazism was defeated — perhaps even doomed — but it wasn't refuted. You see an equivalence there and make such shallow assessments because you're a retard.

[Anonymous No.16629246]

>>16625925
I like how the commies in this thread say history refutes National Socialism while if you ask them about the failing of communism in Russia or China they say it hasn't been actually tried

[Anonymous No.16629306]

>>16626263
Are you saying Nazi's operating under voluntarism but also while being heavily militaristic and being moral cretins?

Because if you're saying that, the whole of West seems to operate under voluntarism but under a framework of consumerist nihilism.

[Anonymous No.16629316]

>>16628597
I browse /pol/ and I like Leddihn plenty.

[Anonymous No.16629321]

>>16627238
The end of it all is restoration in the Good beyond being via Christ.

[Anonymous No.16629341]

The Holy Bible.

[Anonymous No.16629355]

>>16628664
East never died it continues in the Orthodox Church, open up Gregory of Nyssa on Soul and Resurrection.

I found a translation in English that might be decent by Anna M. Silvas, you can find it on libgen.

[Anonymous No.16629559]

>>16625934
Kek, not even close. If anything it affirms all stripes of fascism

[Anonymous No.16629566]

>>16625925
Nationalism is Capitalism with nice uniforms.

[Anonymous No.16629571]

>>16629566
T. Retard

[Anonymous No.16629842]

>>16629566
fascism and communism are two sides of the same coin

[Anonymous No.16629843]

>>16629243
Conservatism isn't a source of meaning. And your suggestion about Nazism's relation to science…you're willing to deny the central ontological claims of Nazism which emerge from consciousness in a worship of petits-bourgeois lounge rooms and "science?"

Fuck me mate, learn to use m-dashes before you shit yourself in public.

Forces of will are refuted as acts in the world. I refer you to Hitler's assessment of the racial capacity of the Russians in 1945.

[Anonymous No.16629854]

>>16629316
>I browse /pol/ and I like Leddihn plenty.
How do you live such contradiction? Curtis...is that you?

[Anonymous No.16629861]

>>16629566
>>16629842
It's all the same

[Anonymous No.16629863]

>>16629842
>fascism and communism are two sides of the same coin
two ends of the same turd, they are not worth a coin.

[Anonymous No.16629996]

>>16628494
This, terrible responses so far in this thread. Pic related came close to me, but still not quite

[Anonymous No.16630185]

>>16629842
If you are talking about coins, in a literal sense, i.e, if it is about literal coins, then yes. If you talk about not having coins, it's not, because radical Marxism is about abolishing money, when fascism is about fantasizing about money tradition, usury tradiction, exchange value tradition. finance tradition. Fascism is about being a jew without a Kippah. A jew with a foreskin. A christian or atheist jew. Everybody is jewish today. But many pretend they are not.
>>16629861
Would be better without the factory i agree. Most modern communist attempts do without factories (Huterrites, Israeli Kibbutzim).

[Anonymous No.16630352]

Fascism/Judaism two sides of the same coin

[Anonymous No.16630401]

>>16630352
Fascism is goyim judaism.

[Anonymous No.16630433]

>>16630185
>fascism is about fantasizing about money tradition, usury tradiction, exchange value tradition. finance tradition
What

[Anonymous No.16630447]

>>16626758

[Anonymous No.16630450]

>>16630447
Written by Zizek.

Keep reading your meme books, you're just getting diluted Ellul.

[Anonymous No.16630468]

>>16629559
Incorrect, Hegel goes both ways. Cf. Karl Löwith on the ambiguity of Hegel's Aufhebung in Von Hegel zu Nietsche etc., also available in English and readily as torrent.
>>16625925
The answer is pic related, extra points for giving monolingual philistine normalfags from /pol/ and anglobabs in general anxiety.

[Anonymous No.16630469]

>>16630433
A trad Capitalism. A trad jewish world.

[Anonymous No.16630484]

>>16630447
>>16630450
>if Zizek describes himself that means he isn't an ironic fraud!
modernity was a mistake

[Anonymous No.16630536]

>>16630469
What

[Anonymous No.16630546]

/pol/bros...

[Anonymous No.16630552]

>>16630546
Fuck off and don't derail the thread

[Anonymous No.16630560]

>>16630546
Based civnat nazis

[Anonymous No.16630585]

>>16630536
HEIL HITLER, DER FUHRER DES DEUTSCHEN JUNGEN.

[Anonymous No.16630605]

>>16630585
Ackshully natsoc wasn't reaaaly fascism. Fascism being derritive of Gentiles actual idealism.
But you can still go ahead and call it third positionist i guess

[Anonymous No.16630641]

>>16630605
There is more similarities between a fascist, a natsoc and an antifa, than between any of those, and a Marxist abolitionist.

[Anonymous No.16630697]

>>16630641
Yeah, no.

[Anonymous No.16630711]

>>16630484
Maybe try reading him instead of shitting up the board with your pathetic memes.

[Anonymous No.16630767]

>>16630711
>dude read this career academic conman who has accomplished nothing but sell more of his retarded books urging others to also accomplish nothing
No thanks, I have a real job. I do real things, in the real world.

[Anonymous No.16630821]

Commies, Liberals, Fascists, Anarchists. Doesn't matter. You're all liberals.

[Anonymous No.16630941]

reflections on a ravaged century by robert conquest
it's morea refutation of communism though since "few western intellectuals became nazi"

[Anonymous No.16631062]

>>16630585
>leader of the German boy
fag

[Anonymous No.16631072]

>>16630767
>I don't read
go back

[Anonymous No.16631173]

>>16625925
you cannot refute nature. keep running from your fears. you can do that as long as you can before stress sets you free.

[Anonymous No.16631227]

>>16631072
I didn't say that, you simpleton. I read books that deal with real matters. There's a universe more utility in even Harry Potter than Zizek.

[卐 No.16631282]

>>16627238
>>16627253
Very Based

[Anonymous No.16631293]

>>16629842
No, that would be capitalism and communism that are two sides of the same coin, since they both worship the religion of money. Fascism is the only of the three that doesn't.

[Anonymous No.16631295]

>>16626508
>pseudoscientific eugenics

[Anonymous No.16631328]

bunch of friggin libtard in this thread

[Anonymous No.16631528]

>>16631295
Not that eugenics is bogus but the level they were operating on was

[Anonymous No.16631608]

As a counter-thread to this one >>16625925, can we have a NatSoc / 3P lit thread?

[Anonymous No.16631627]

>>16631608
I bet my left nut the person who made this chart hasn't read a single one of these books.

[Anonymous No.16631708]

>>16630697
Yes yes. You are all money worshippers. You are all jews.

[Anonymous No.16631778]

>>16631293
Fascism validate Capitalism. In La dottrina del fascismo, Mussolini clearly explain that he wants to keep Capitalism.
Marx, on the other hand, in on the jewish question, wrote: "By emancipating itself from trafficking and money, and consequently from real and practical Judaism, the present epoch would emancipate itself."

[Anonymous No.16631850]

>>16631227
Your Jewish tricks won't work here. You outed yourself as an illiterate fag and proved it twice over by the HP reference. So go.

[Anonymous No.16632648]

>>16626263
But if their philosophy boils down to might is right doesnt their defeat prove only that they werent the strongest, not that they were wrong?

[Anonymous No.16632862]

>>16632648
>But if their philosophy boils down to might is right
That's not their philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16633021]

>>16632862
>Nazism derives its truth claims from force of action in the world. I wouldn't use the word "praxis" because it has a specific association with proletarian autogestation. But Nazism is a claim that force is will and will is the world.
>So the actions of the working classes of the USSR, United States, British Empire and France, along with a host of other minor continental powers like France, demonstrates that Nazism has been refuted. Its force of will died in the Battle of Berlin.
Thats what the anon said but in more words

[Anonymous No.16633035]

>>16626117
I know, that's why I thought it was funneh

[Anonymous No.16633064]

>>16627160
poe's law, cant tell if shit poster or actual purple haired discord tranny

[Anonymous No.16633104]

Post nose OP

[Anonymous No.16633117]

>>16625925
The Qur'an.

[Anonymous No.16633262]

>>16632648
>if their philosophy boils down to might is right
As previously observed this isn't their philosophy.

Will is a force in the world, and force is justificatory, but it is more than might is right, But will needs to be possessed by a pure national-racial collective subject (puissant blood race in the nazi version, as opposed to contaminated blood race in the American version of fascism; compare and contrast to cultural race in the Italian version, language race in the native Hungarian, etc.).

But yeah, the Red Army was material evidence of the failure of force, will, or racial subject. Hitler himself observed this. But as far as the Nazi conception of ontology and epistemology, try Right makes Might.

[Anonymous No.16633631]

>>16629843
What's an "m-dash", retard?

Conservatism as in tradition, which is a source of meaning for the many who don't critically examine their inculcation.

I'm not going to follow you down your absurd class conflict rabbit hole. Unrestrained capitalism degrades -all- classes, and fascists/natsocs understood this well (without subscribing to delusional and mostly insincere notions of man's equality, or ignoring the powerful advantages of subordinated capitalism).

[Anonymous No.16633657]

>>16633631
Go do an epistemology course before you play with big boys again.

[Anonymous No.16633748]

>>16633657
I accept your disguised capitulation. Run along now.

[Anonymous No.16633751]

>>16633262
>But will needs to be possessed by a pure national-racial collective subject
>More like will needs to be possessed by a pure Capitalistic collective subject.
>>16633631
>Unrestrained capitalism
Imaging thinking you can restrain exchange value, usury, money. Imagine thinking you can restrain them, and that they don't restrain you.
> ignoring the powerful advantages of subordinated capitalism.
I didn't know Capitalism could be unsubordinated.

[Anonymous No.16633778]

>>16633631
(...)Oh by the way national socialism is jewish. It is the world of trade, of commerciality, of exchange value, of money, of profit. The fact that national socialism don't have a kippah, and have a foreskin, doesn't make it any less jewish. It is part of the jewish world, it has jewish values.

[Anonymous No.16633818]

>>16628079
poor bait

[Anonymous No.16633839]

>>16625925
Reality

[Anonymous No.16633983]

>>16633751
>Imagine thinking you can restrain them, and that they don't restrain you
That may ultimately be the case, but imagine thinking you can entirely abolish them without putting yourself at the mercy of populations that don't. It's like Uncle Ted's position on technology; he may indeed be right, but abdication is not an option (unless you're willing to surrender your fate to populations who will continue to employ it). We either find ways to restrain these forces with some degree of success, or we fall into an inevitable decline and/or erasure by outgroups. The only option is to try.

>>16633778
Yeah, you're not ruffling any feathers here. If you're right, it just means that a little jew-ness is necessary to have any kind of advanced civilization. It doesn't mean we can't distinguish between degrees of 'jewness'. Sola dosis facit venenum.

[Anonymous No.16634090]

>>16633751
>>More like will needs to be possessed by a pure Capitalistic collective subject.
I was discussing the contents of their idology, not the historical composition of Junker-fascism.

[Anonymous No.16634147]

>>16633983
>but abdication is not an option (unless you're willing to surrender your fate to populations who will continue to employ it).

Ted's solution requires global unification on the anti-tech front -- so, everyone would be eliminating technology. Of course, this isn't possible because power-seekers see how technology can overpower those who refrain from it; and even present power-seekers/havers know it's too powerful to eliminate/reduce.

[Anonymous No.16634216]

>>16634090
Excuse me for the misspelling, I was on my first coffee and trying to fuck someone by text elsewindow.

[Anonymous No.16634259]

Want to reply to the OP but with how threads go I know after 174 posts the conversation ITT has moved far away from OP's post and hence no one will take interest in what I have to say. Thus is life on the 'chan.

[Anonymous No.16634278]

>>16634259
I'll give you a chance mate. But you better understand what Nazism is, what Nazism's position on epistemology is, what dictates social power, and whether your book is cogent and meets scholarly standards, or whether its pop intelligentsia.

[Anonymous No.16634283]

>>16634278
Would you consider "Against Rousseau" by Joseph de Maistre to be "pop intelligentsia"?

[Anonymous No.16634293]

>>16625925
Havent read 'mein kampf' I believe it's utterly crap
anon, read?

[Anonymous No.16634295]

>>16634283
Its higher quality analysis than most other works cited in this thread, so, thus:

Expound. The most recent scholarly monograph on de Maistre's criticism of Roussaux is paywalled and I've got other thoughts going. So provide a summary of reading as if you're rapidly introducing the tutorial topic you're leading. I assume "The People" and "The Nation" are going to be significant here, along with enlightenment individuation.

[Anonymous No.16634356]

>>16634295
You can get it for free on libgen.rs , little /lit/ secret there.
But "Against Rousseau" is a combination of two essays: "On the State of Nature" and "On the Sovereignty of the People". In both essays he refutes the liberal conception of man's nature and the origin of government, the liberal concept being what National Socialism was built off of. I don't want to write an essay so I'll only focus on one point - the people. The liberal conception of power was that it came from the bottom-up, from the people to the ruler who was responsible to the people. It began the concept of "the people" as a unit with a desired political destiny. Maistre set forth what had been the accepted principle for the entirety of human history, that power came from the top-down, that either by the king's own authority of by the authority of a being higher than the king the top of the pyramid was granted power and the people were responsible to him, not the other way around.
That's the gist of the argument, not the actual in-depth argument itself, but you did only ask for an introductory tutorial.

[Anonymous No.16634451]

>>16634356
I can't get time spent punishing people for bad argumentation or poor disciplinary practice back reading something outside of my core specialty while I'm trying to masturbate on holidays. On the other hand you've just declaired that you're the de Maistre expert here, and I've accepted your expertise and your capacity to produce a summary—in trust of you.
Let's run through your summary.

Is that National Socialist conception of the self built off the liberal conception of personhood?

How does de Maistre deal with the ourobouros nature of the national-socialist "People" who are the authority over themselves racially? People do not have individual freedom in nazism, they have freedom when they constitute collectively (in obliteration of individuality)? The blood is the dominant, not the people?

For de Maistre are these illusory. For Rousseau collectivity needs to be voluntarily associated out of individuals as an achievement. For Hitler, The Blood's Demands are a pre-existing force governing the stupid meat sacks and womb holes.

[Anonymous No.16634454]

>>16634356
I mean I get you're arguing that Nazism is liberalism, but I'm trying to force you to determine if this is true in fact in relation to the actual composition of Nazi ideology and practice, or, if it is merely a misstatement because there appears to be a collectivised individuation in The Race.

[Anonymous No.16634477]

>>16634451
>>16634454
I'm not arguing that Nazism is liberalism, I'm arguing that the base off of which Nazism is built is liberalism and a building, which is a building unto itself, that has the pegs knocked out from under it comes crashing down.
As for the three points you brought up none of them address the one point of Maistre's argument that I brought up.

[Anonymous No.16634522]

>>16634477
You focused on the relative source of power of liberal and reactionary modes of thought.

I argued that Nazism as ideology centred the source of power at the top, and therefore that Nazism was not a liberalism. This can be refuted by claiming that Nazism's practice centred power at the bottom, despite their ideology. (I'm happy to concede.)

It depends on whether de Maistre cared about the formal or substantive nature of power.

[Anonymous No.16634608]

>>16626012
retardposting

[Anonymous No.16635002]

>>16625925
Julius Evola - Notes on the Third Reich

[Anonymous No.16635654]

https://youtu.be/WVl8AYX45gM

[Anonymous No.16635744]

>>16634451
>>16634522
bruh no offence but you sound like an absolute fart sniffer psued

[Anonymous No.16635808]

>>16629559
"89. The experience which consciousness has concerning itself can, by its essential principle, embrace nothing less than the entire system of consciousness, the whole realm of the truth of mind, and in such wise that the moments of truth are set forth in the specific and peculiar character they here possess — i.e. not as abstract pure moments, but as they are for consciousness, or as consciousness itself appears in its relation to them, and in virtue of which they are moments of the whole, are embodiments or modes of consciousness. In pressing forward to its true form of existence, consciousness will come to a point at which it lays aside its semblance of being hampered with what is foreign to it, with what is only for it and exists as an other; it will reach a position where appearance becomes identified with essence, where, in consequence, its exposition coincides with just this very point, this very stage of the science proper of mind. And, finally, when it grasps this its own essence, it will connote the nature of absolute knowledge itself."