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[Anonymous No.16596303]

If I lived according to the Bible, would my life improve? I am an autistic NEET btw.

[Anonymous No.16596309]

overall yes. In a material-social way is debatable.

[Anonymous No.16596373]

>>16596303
I'm kinda on the same boat.
One year ago I was suicidal, then I became involved with a local christian community. Never disclosed my condition, but my way of approaching life has become significantly better since then.

This year I finished the bible for the 1st tims. There's a lot to unpack and it's not always agreeable, but there's invaluable lessons too.

[Anonymous No.16596390]

>>16596303
No, not at all.
You probably have no idea how much insane bullshit is actually in there.
Start with the book Deuteronomy and if that still seems like reasonable rules to live by then go for it but unless you're retarded you'll recognize it for the bullshit it is.

[Anonymous No.16596396]

Start with the new testament and you realize after study how far every Christian is to being Christ like.

[Anonymous No.16596405]

>>16596390
You ARE aware Deuteronomy has and historical context, right?
Thinking we should live in accordance to that it's like adopting the athenian model of democracy because it's "the original".
Christs rules, however, are eternal.

[Anonymous No.16596408]

>>16596396
That's accurate since no person is able to save himself. Being christian is to acknowledge that we can't be redeemed without Him.

[Anonymous No.16596411]

>>16596405
So are you implying there might be parts of the bible which are ridiculous? I thought it was the irrefutable work of a living God?

[Anonymous No.16596412]

>>16596405
A historical*

[Anonymous No.16596422]

>>16596411
Of course it has ridiculous passages by modern, post-enlightenment, scientificist values. The bible is subject by the views and frameworks of ancient humans about God.

[Anonymous No.16596429]

>>16596422
sorry, thought you were a christcuck

[Anonymous No.16596434]

>>16596390
Nothing too ridiculous.

Bring sacrifices to the central sanctuary. If you soibois can't find animals to sacrifice, the pet store is a good starting point.

Usury is forbidden, except for foreigners, because fuck them.

And kidnapping is forbidden.

None of these things are undoable in the modern world.

[Anonymous No.16596442]

>>16596429
Well, I'm am christian in a sense I try to adhere to Jesus' teachings. But I'm don't deny there's wackiness in the bible resulted from human interpretations. Also, I'm anti-zionist.

[Anonymous No.16596446]

>>16596434
What about the garments of two types of cloth? Or the death penalty for men who rape married women but if she's NOT married they have to be married?
Not to mention that's just the RULES of these people, their myths are even more outlandish!

[Anonymous No.16596448]

>>16596442
Yeah I have respect for people like you and I won't deny that there is the wisdom of many generations to be found in the bible. I encourage people to read it, but I would never trust someone who believes in it 100% on 'faith' alone

[Anonymous No.16596453]

>>16596446
Two types of cloth is more than enough.

And marrying the woman you rape is just common sense. You break it, you buy it.

[Anonymous No.16596460]

>>16596446
That's why Jesus critized the pharisee's hipocritical adherence to the law that forgets what really is important.

[Anonymous No.16596463]

>>16596373
I'm the same. Was suicidal and decided to join my local church because at that point, why not. Feel a lot better.

[Anonymous No.16596467]

>>16596453
You don't even know what I'm talking about troll. They FORBID people from wearing garments spun out of two or more types of cloth IE every shirt you own that says "Cotton polyseter blend" or "20% wool 80% cotton" or anything like that is FORBIDDEN by *the sacred texts*
>>16596460
You actually read the Bible! You get it friend.

[Anonymous No.16596517]

>>16596463
I feel happy for you anon :)

[Anonymous No.16596525]

>>16596373
>>16596463
>following a religion merely for good feefees
Fucking selfish hypocrites

[Anonymous No.16596533]

>>16596525
Would you mind being angry somewhere else

[Anonymous No.16596538]

>>16596533
I am sorry for hurting you

[Anonymous No.16596549]

>>16596525
I was lonely and wanted to feel community and be around nice, genuine, and well meaning people. What's wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.16596579]

>>16596467
Do you ever try to look up things you don't understand, before spouting inane bullshit?

>...linen is a product of a riverine agricultural economy, such as that of the Nile Valley, while wool is a product of a desert, pastoral economy, such as that of the Hebrew tribes. Mixing the two together symbolically mixes Egypt and the Hebrews.

You can't read the Bible without historical context.

[Anonymous No.16596581]

>>16596549
There is nothing wrong with it from my perspective because I am not a believer. But if your faith is weak and You're doing it mainly to seek community and not for God's sake then that's disrespectful to religion.
You will be way closer to God in solitude.

[Anonymous No.16596584]

>>16596396
>I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

[Anonymous No.16596593]

>>16596525
Not following a religion, but following Christ. Suicidal thoughts were just a catalyst for a greater calling.

[Anonymous No.16596638]

>>16596538
Thank you. Appreciate that

[Anonymous No.16596650]

>>16596303
>If I lived according to the Bible, would my life improve?
How about you read the fucking Bible first?

[Anonymous No.16596764]

>>16596303
Jesus the ultimate NEET

[Anonymous No.16596777]

>>16596549
Nothing anon. Church is for the spiritually ill. Christ be with you.

[Anonymous No.16596778]

>>16596764
He was a carpenter before going through the land teaching people and healing them.

[Anonymous No.16596784]

>>16596777
Not him, but The Church is something good. Religion on the other way... only if it serves as a step (not an end) on your own spiritual journey.

[Anonymous No.16596788]

>>16596784
Jesus is the truth. I'll pray for you.

[Anonymous No.16596796]

>>16596777
and with you, brother

[Anonymous No.16596807]

>>16596448
You're an actual drooling retard if you fail to understand the relation of the old law to new law and christ. Fuck this is why catholics have a point when they talk about need reading the bible on your own. You end up with drooling morons like this retard. Fuck I'm actually seething I'm so sick of people having BASIC Christian theology fly over their heads then acting pompus about their absolutely idiotic take on scripture.

[Anonymous No.16596831]

>>16596788
Thank you. Note that with "Church" I'm referring to "When two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them." Matthew 18:20

[Anonymous No.16596840]

>>16596807
>Fuck this is why catholics have a point when they talk about need reading the bible on your own.
Since when?

[Anonymous No.16596845]

>>16596831
And with "religion" I'm referring to the "-isms" of this world, not the actual act of religare with God.

[Anonymous No.16596913]

>>16596303
You'll have to pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow. Not indulging in promiscuity is reasonable but animal sacrifices and cutting off the tip of your dick is pointless desu

[Anonymous No.16596919]

>>16596807
You mean the part where Jesus said "lol none of that shit matters anymore"
Except people like you STILL quote dumb shit out of the old testament which is why I bring it up.
IF you want to argue solely on the laws that Christ gave people I'm pretty sure number one was love everyone as your neighbor (not call them 'drooling retards') and number two was judge not lest ye be judged.
So on that note, best not to assume people haven't read your fairy tales before screeching about it. We read it, just we were intelligent enough to recognize it as the mythology it is.

[Anonymous No.16597016]

>>16596919
He just keeps going. Holy fuck you are an actual idiot. I didn't think they existed outside of cartoons.

[Anonymous No.16597020]

>>16597016
Only one of us professes knowledge of an eternal father in the sky who raises the dead and makes snakes talk.

[Anonymous No.16597075]

>>16596807
>>16597016
Sperging out like this won't make them reconsider their positions and will worsen christians already tainted rep.

[Anonymous No.16597114]

>>16596411
>I thought it was the irrefutable work of a living God?
It's not, nobody but maybe some weird prot cults believe this.

[Anonymous No.16597132]

Going to church when you don't believe in their God seems almost more cynical than not going at all

[Anonymous No.16597151]

>>16597132
Is that the move?
Should I be going to church to scam all these gullible retards? Is THAT the secret to life?
Now that I think about it a lot of those pastor types seem pretty rich ngl. And even those monks get all the bread and wine they can eat!
Fucking hell I should be a monk.

[Anonymous No.16597326]

>>16597151
both look like a straight passage to hell.

[Anonymous No.16597362]

>>16597326
>hell
That's not real Anon

[Anonymous No.16597369]

The darkness you fight is within you, and the light you seek is within you. You are loved more than you know, anon; you are love.

[Anonymous No.16597502]

>>16597362
I'm not talking about Dante's mockumentary but The abyss, the void, non-existence, whatever you want to call it.

[Anonymous No.16597525]

I'm so tired, bros. I keep falling back into my sins no matter how hard I try to change.

[Anonymous No.16597532]

>>16596581
That's not how it is anon. Religion is a coping mechanism realized by all religion on all scriptures. God himself tells you that you will feel the empty hole once you leave him, returning is an indication of a pure and sincere compass.

[Anonymous No.16597536]

>>16597525
jesus has your back friend

[Anonymous No.16597545]

>>16596919
>"lol none of that shit matters anymore"-The Gospel According to Anon.
>"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." - The Gospel According to Matthew.

What does one do when two, equally credible sources disagree on the nature of God? The anonymous guy on the internet, who was born about 2000 years after Jesus died and never even met him is saying one thing. But the anonymous guy in the Roman Empire, who was born about 50 years after Jesus died and never met him is saying another. I, too am anonymous, was born long after Jesus died and never met him, am I supposed to break the tie?

[Anonymous No.16597634]

>>16596411
>I thought it was the irrefutable work of a living God?
No one has ever said that. The Bible is regarded as an infallible guide on spiritual matters, but not every single thing in it is factually correct.

[Anonymous No.16597680]

>>16596919

Jesus came to make the old laws and commandments more stringent, not less.

Matthew 5:17-20: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

He also didn't tell people not to judge others. He told them to judge others only by the standards to which they hold themselves.

Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

[Anonymous No.16597695]

>>16597634
>"Those who maintain that an error is possible in any genuine passage of the sacred writings, either pervert the Catholic notion of inspiration, or make God the author of such error." - Pope Leo XIII, Providentissimus Deus

[Anonymous No.16597724]

>>16597695
Can I get the rest of the context on this?

[Anonymous No.16597727]

>>16596303
It depends on what you mean. Christianity is not religion based on good fortune and prosperity in this life, despite what prosperity gospel heretics would have some believe. Christ promises His followers suffering and hardship and persecution and a struggle against their own base nature but that we strivr to to better and follow Him for reward in the afterlife.

That being said, good moral thought and striving towards righteous deed and word can improve your life, how you feel and your relationships with others. A good moral philosophy coupled with a good life philosophy (and a healthy diet and sleep schedule) will do wonders for most people

[Anonymous No.16597732]

>>16597680
Matthew 10:19: "You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother."

everything else like circumcision, the sabbath and kosher laws are to be taken contextually.

[Anonymous No.16597749]

>>16597680
You know that jesus violated several laws like not washing your hands before eating, and "working" on saturday, right?

Some laws are clearly more important than others.

[Anonymous No.16597754]

>>16597695
Tell me where's your allegiance: in the Pope or in Christ?

[Anonymous No.16597757]

>>16597732
Obviously. But that does not negate the point being made in that passage.
>>16597749
That makes no difference.

[Anonymous No.16597765]

>>16596303
your life would improve if you lived like somebody who has a job

[Anonymous No.16597771]

>>16597724
"Providentissimus Deus", an encyclical published by Pope Leo XIII in the late 19th century. Until this time, the idea that the Bible was factually flawed was a minority position, held by some theologians. In the 18th century Thomas Paine published: "The Age of Reason" which revealed, for the first time, to a general audience, a great number of Biblical errors. Advances in Geology, History and Biology further undermined the inerrancy of the Bible in the coming century. There was growing division in Christian circles between "Edenists" (who would later be renamed: 'Fundamentalists') and Modernists (who are now such a majority, that we don't even need a name for them). This was the Popes attempt to weigh in on the crisis.

If you want to know more about this fascinating part of History, look up the phrase "Modernist Crisis".

[Anonymous No.16597807]

>>16597754
Neither, really. But, f I absolutely had to choose, I would probably pick the Pope. Nobody really knows what Jesus thought or what he meant and Christians are always telling me that nobody can ever know what God means because he's too divorced from humanity. But I think I can understand the Pope.

[Anonymous No.16597829]

>>16597757
Aren't you implying that christians should adhere to all OT laws made specifically to jews in the Mosaic era?

[Anonymous No.16597843]

>>16597807
>if I absolutely had to choose, I would probably pick the Pope.
I'll pray for you, anon.

[Anonymous No.16597854]

>>16597843
But if I picked Jesus over the Pope, my Aunt would start praying for me, so you can see the bind i'm in.

[Anonymous No.16597865]

>>16597854
That's why catholics shouldn't call themselves christians, but rather papists.

[Anonymous No.16597892]

>>16597807
John 14:6: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Catholics base their papal belief in a literal pun.
Matthew 16:1: And I tell you that you are PETER, and on this ROCK I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

[Anonymous No.16597896]

>>16597865
But Catholics would say that Protestants aren't Christians. They'd accuse Protestants of being: Idolaters/Satanists/Jews (delete as appropriate). That's two huge groups of sincere Jesus worshippers who can't even agree on the fundamental basis for worship. Then there's the smaller sects like Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-Day Adventists. Then there's the fringe groups who think Jesus was a spaceman, a sorcerer, a Buddha or a thousand other things. That's why I can't pick Jesus, there's too many competing theories, I wouldn't know what I was signing up to.

[Anonymous No.16597906]

>>16596525
Religion is the answer to ancient man's existential problem, and keep in mind they had to deal with fucking malaria and wild animals ripping down their tents.

[Anonymous No.16597926]

>>16597896
You don't need to subscribe to a religion/cult to follow Jesus. The Church which he was referring to is a spiritual one that can be met anywhere with just another person.

[Anonymous No.16597940]

>>16597926
You still need a Christian community, you can't perform the sacraments alone in your room.

[Anonymous No.16597944]

>>16597892
Here's the fundamental problem as I see it. We don't need faith in Jesus to believe the words recorded in the Bible. We need faith in the people who wrote the Bible and the plethora of scribes, printers and translators who've been writing it down since. Bearing in mind, that we know for a fact that there are Bibles that contain errors, addenda and mistranslations still in circulation and that those Bibles are still being backed by mainstream Christianity.

>>16597926
That's correct. But, to have any kind of faith in Jesus, there must be some kind of faith in the Bible (however minimal) and that's not possible to me for the reasons I outlined above.

[Anonymous No.16597945]

>>16597940
>the sacraments
You need to go back and understand Jesus' problems with the Pharisees. You're confusing the holy worship of god with empty ceremonies.
Jesus would unironically say you're not worshiping god correctly if you're worried about performing 'sacraments'

[Anonymous No.16597967]

>>16597940
>sacraments
You mean the pagan rituals?
Going for a dive and eating waffles won't save you.

A christian community is useful to mingle with likeminded individuals and find spiritual support. The many religions are the reflection of various interpretations, you choose whatever suits you best (or don't). The important part is to follow Christ, everything else besides that is dispensable.

[Anonymous No.16598019]

>>16597944
People like to approach the belief in the Bible or Jesus as something logical, and I get that point of view. But faith, however irrational it may look, doesn't play by the same rules.

Take a read at 1 Corinthians 1:18-31

[Anonymous No.16598021]

>>16596303
probably not but you'd certainly feel better believing than not believing
faith in a faithless world might in a morbid way be very rewarding if you convince yourself of the virtue of that sort of martyrdom

[Anonymous No.16598031]

>>16597945
>>16597967
Why did Christ during the incarnation perform these then? Why did he say this bread is his body and this wine is his blood? Didn't Jesus know that all you had to do was follow himself? Why was Jesus baptized by water if all that matters is your piety? Didn't he know that John was just pouring some muddy water from the Jordan over his head?

[Anonymous No.16598051]

>>16598031
You ARE talking about superstitious cave dwellers here anon. 300 years after the enlightenment you have no excuse for believing in baptism, the eucharist, or even things like the ressurection or the virgin brith. You are however encouraged to glean as much wisdom as you can from the holy books and apply that knowledge in your own life in the hopes of inspiring others to live a righteous life as well. Don't let mythology blind your from religion.

[Anonymous No.16598058]

>>16598051
>"Follow Jesus!"
>"N-no n-not like that!"

[Anonymous No.16598062]

>>16598031
Analogies for people with a Jewish framework 2k years ago.

>Why did he say this bread is his body and this wine is his blood?
Take note that cannibalism and blood eating is taboo for jews. He meant that through his sacrifice people would be cleansed from their sins. Transubstantiation is not biblical.

>Why was Jesus baptized by water if all that matters is your piety?
Prophecy fulfillment. Real baptism is done in the soul (baptism by fire), just like real circumcision in done to the soul.

[Anonymous No.16598067]

>>16598051
>You are however encouraged to glean as much wisdom as you can from the holy books and apply that knowledge in your own life in the hopes of inspiring others to live a righteous life as well. Don't let mythology blind your from religion.
This
Take the Peterson pill

[Anonymous No.16598070]

>>16598058
Do as thou wilt,
but you missed the entire point of religion, Pharisee

[Anonymous No.16598071]

>>16598058
>Tfw I wasn't born from a jewish virgin
>Tfw I'm not a carpenter
>Tfw I don't have miraculous powers
>Tfw I'll never be crucified by italians as of 2020
>"Oh noes! I can't follow Christ!"

[Anonymous No.16598080]

>>16598067
I unironically started going to church and studying the bible after reading and watching his content.
God bless him, wherever heare.

[Anonymous No.16598087]

>>16598051
if superstition doesnt real why live a righteous life. serious question

[Anonymous No.16598091]

>>16598087
>why live a righteous life.
Because you reap what you sow.

[Anonymous No.16598107]

>>16598051
>or even things like the ressurection
Except it happened. Jesus showed us that eternal death could be conquered.

[Anonymous No.16598117]

>>16598087
It's because what is real is worth fighting for. The fact is that even before we know it our time will expire and the next generation will be left to figure out what the right thing to do is.
Just like we were dropped onto this rock woefully unprepared so must ever successive generation. With great effort and after much time our ancestors have gathered, through the combined wisdom on millions of years, an immense amount of knowledge both physical and metaphysical.
It is our duty and sacred honor to pass on that torch of wisdom to the young people and if we may help the light on knowledge to burn a bit more bright.
Selfishly, it will not make a difference, but from a utilitarian point of view living a good life and helping your fellow man is what has made the difference between the ancient life of the savages and our modern life of Chinese take out and communications approaching the speed of light.
Another answer to this question is the classic argument for stoicism
>if there be gods and they are just then they will respect me for living a just life whether I belived in them or not, if there are no gods or if they are not just then I would not concern myself with pleasing them but would still wish for respect from my fellow man even in self serving way

[Anonymous No.16598130]

>>16598117
based and meaningpilled

[Anonymous No.16598144]

>>16598107
No, friend, that's a made up story. It's no more real than Odysseus passing between Scylla and Charybdis or the giant turtle which carries earth on her back.
The only 'evidence' of this event is a book written by sheep herders 2000 years ago and during the interim man proven decisively the impossibility of virgin births, resurrections, talking snakes, giants, angels, demons, and many other vestiges of our primeval mind.
In the ancient world thunder was the voice of God and the eclipse was an omen of the end of the world. We have since come to understand these as simple common occurrences. Over time our understanding of the world grows and changes and our understanding of our relationship with the cosmos (or God or whatever you want to call it. Our relationship with existence at large if you will) must also grow.
Clinging blindly to the vestigial beliefs of a bygone people is as foolish as building aqueducts of lead, or using flowers to cure the plague. We understand now those are foolish endeavors and have since created better strategies of accomplishing our needs.

[Anonymous No.16598160]

>>16598051
>>16598070
Define "religion" here.

[Anonymous No.16598165]

>>16596303
Spiritually, yes. Economically and socially, no. It's still worth it though.

[Anonymous No.16598176]

>>16598160
That's a tall order.
Far greater men than I have failed to define religion. What definition could I give you which would satisfy, let alone impress you.
>Religion is man's relationship with existence at large
I said something similar to that in a post above. It sounds nice to me right now so I'll double down on it.

[Anonymous No.16598187]

>>16598144
Ok. Jesus died materially then.
2000 years later people are still talking about Him.
Guess his legacy didn't died eh?

People can live forever, anon. Just like Homer lives in every "le greeks" thread. I'm sure you'll live after you die as well. Through the memories of your loved ones or strangers such as myself.

[Anonymous No.16598199]

>>16598187
I agree with that. Heroes, of both great strength and great wisdom, will be remembered for as long as we draw breath.

[Anonymous No.16598236]

>>16596303
the jewish law is the Law + stuff added for them specifically due to their specific history of repeated rebellion against God. Islamic law, which as far as I know is not as far-reaching as jewish law (see for instance dietary rules), is just the Law. Christ is great but christian law without jewish law is inadequate. For this reason Islamic law is best.

And God knows best.

[Anonymous No.16598250]

>>16596549
Nothing wrong with it man

[Anonymous No.16598255]

>>16598236
Christians reject notion of the Law, because the Jews, and later muslims, will always play lawyer to get around it. What makes a man clean or unclean is not what goes into his mouth but what comes out of it.

[Anonymous No.16598270]

>>16596525
Watch that edge, son.

>>16596373
Have you met people your age there? I thought about checking out my local parish but I'm afraid that it would mostly be a pensioner's social club or something.

[Anonymous No.16598319]

>>16598236
>For this reason Islamic law is best.
Not going to follow a demon-possessed blasphemer spin-off.

Jeremiah 23:34-36: "If a prophet or a priest or anyone else claims, ‘This is a message from the Lord,’ I will punish them and their household. This is what each of you keeps saying to your friends and other Israelites: ‘What is the Lord’s answer?’ or ‘What has the Lord spoken?’ But you must not mention ‘a message from the Lord’ again, because each one’s word becomes their own message. So you distort the words of the living God, the Lord Almighty, our God."

Jesus, on the other hand knew that and never gave direct answers. "If you said so" and so on.

[Anonymous No.16598337]

>>16597732
sincere question: what would a religious practice that only comes back to what Jesus said look like? There's a simile somewhere in the gospels where Jesus speaks of introducing a piece of sour-dough when baking, and that it will in time make the whole dough sour. I believe in this in terms of goodness, I like the simile a lot. I just don't see how christ instructed us to "kneed" if you get my meaning. "Abstain from basic sin, do charitable works" seems not enough of an instruction. Most of us do not and will not give up all our belongings and walk with him. What is the "method" of christianity as it is professed by Jesus himself? Day-to-day, how do you sour the dough?

[Anonymous No.16598353]

>>16598270
>Have you met people your age there?
Yes, they have young adults groups.

>I'm afraid that it would mostly be a pensioner's social club or something.
Give it a try. I've visited many temples from and studied different religions before settling down.

[Anonymous No.16598363]

>>16598319
what about Moses though? peace be upon him.
>because each one’s word becomes their own message
what does this mean?

[Anonymous No.16598372]

>>16598255
>>16598337

[Anonymous No.16598498]

>>16598091
>responds with a superstitious maxim
Are the usurers and landlords reaping what they sow? No. They sow strife for their fellow man and reap comfort. It's a superstitious cope to say otherwise.
>>16598117
That's a lot of words to say be good because you want other people to be good to you, but society is no longer a gift economy set up to reward selflessness. The ways to profit off of injury to people you will never personally interact with are countless and growing every day.

[Anonymous No.16598503]

>>16598337
>what would a religious practice that only comes back to what Jesus said look like?
What is the "method" of christianity as it is professed by Jesus himself?
Day-to-day, how do you sour the dough?
It's almost a meme, but it is true:

Matthew 22:35-40 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

By loving God, you love His creation. By loving His creation your every being is transformed. Your every thought, words and actions. Being gentle and kind, avoiding cursing, be giving, be selfless, and much more. That's real christian religion.

>seems not enough of an instruction
Yes, it is that simple to follow Jesus. But how many of us can do it fully? Being a christian is recognizing that we can't do it alone.
Matthew 19:25-26: When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

[Anonymous No.16598522]

>>16598363
>what about Moses though?
Jeremiah's book comes after the Pentateuch.

>because each one’s word becomes their own message
>what does this mean?
Because you can get away with anything if you say "It is a message from the Lord."

[Anonymous No.16598548]

>>16596411
Your post is reddit-tier.

[Anonymous No.16598560]

>>16596840
Luther

[Anonymous No.16598561]

>>16598498
>Are the usurers and landlords reaping what they sow?
Let's assume you're talking about the rich and powerful who got their riches and power through evil deeds. They got plenty of material possessions, so what? I doubt they can rest very well being constantly worried about it. There's a reason materialistic societies are so depressed and there's so much nihilism and suicide among celebrities.

>responds with a superstitious maxim
Here's two more:

"Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

[Anonymous No.16598575]

>>16596549
I'm glad you've found comfort anon. I don't know about your situation but don't stop. Keep pursuing it. God exists and he loves you.

The church disappeared overnight in my country because people stopped believing. For years they turned up because it was a nice community. They thought the stories were nice or it was just something a good person ought to do. Easy come, easy go.
If that's your foundation, tear it up and replace it with God. He's much better.

[Anonymous No.16598584]

>>16598503
I see man as in a kind of battle between selfishness and awareness of God. For me it was not enough to say "love thy neighbor". Just saying this is not enough. It needs to be reinforced. I think the greatest gift of Islam is the fact that the daily prayer is mandatory. If we do not come back to and reinforce our awareness of God 5 times each day, then we are lapse in our responsibility. I only understand the practical law to be an instruction in the reinforcement of awareness of God. I started reading the NT, and I love Jesus very dearly, but for me it was not enough of a method. OP asked how his life would be if he followed the instruction in the bible. If it is enough for him to be told to be loving, then he will do fine. I believe 2 things to be true: 1. that Jesus did mean for his followers to find something of use in the jewish law; and 2. that Deutoronomy is not from Moses. I think this creates a great confusion. For Islam is a complete whole without this confusion (though for sure Islamic law is not always too surveyable, but it comes back to simple principles like how Jesus instructed).

With this I go to pray.

[Anonymous No.16598586]

>>16597502
Tartaros

[Anonymous No.16598590]

>>16598337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ip_CN4vF4

[Anonymous No.16598591]

>>16598584
>For Islam
for me*

[Anonymous No.16598644]

>>16598584
Well it all depends in which type of faith your soul can endure. Some need rites, others solitude, others constant praying. You do you.
Romans 14 is a nice text on that matter.

>With this I go to pray.
Godspeed

[Anonymous No.16598709]

>>16598498
>responds with a superstitious maxim
>Are the usurers and landlords reaping what they sow?
There ain't no rest for the wicked.

[Anonymous No.16598738]

>>16596807
>Fuck this is why catholics have a point when they talk about need reading the bible on your own.
is that why they kept laity from reading it for centuries and sperged out when it was translated into German?
>Fuck I'm actually seething I'm so sick of people having BASIC Christian theology fly over their heads then acting pompus about their absolutely idiotic take on scripture.
the only one here pompous is you. I think you’re also forgetting that Jesus was a heretic, criticized the fundamentals of his own culture’s religion, and thought the law of Moses was unjust and bullshit and contradicted it and disregarded the Jews sacred sabbath law

[Anonymous No.16598752]

>>16596303
>If I lived according to the Bible, would my life improve? I am an autistic NEET btw.
>>16596373
Keep in mind there is no universally agreed bible doctrine
Just abstaining from fornication is hard enough (if youre high test) and it shows what youre in for, its obviously something good for you because it prevents stds, undesired children, single moms, bad reputation, all kids of bad things
Some christians say masturbation is also prohibited by the bible, and it has its benefits
Overall Psalms, Proverbs and Ecclesiastes have a ton of commonly accepted redpills

But to live according to the Bible, or as God asked people to, its very fucking hard, BUT it is the KEY to absolute freedom on the modern world or any other world really
This is my interpretation, but it all starts with Genesis
>And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; swarm in the earth, and multiply therein.'
Youre supposed to have as many children as possible and to spread on the earth, not live in cities of concrete, but on rural areas

[Anonymous No.16598753]

>>16597545
Hint: the law isn’t the law of Moses, its these two commandments: “Love God, and love your neighbor as you love yourself”. This is the whole and the sum of the law. If the Law of Moses was ever legitimate, it would never need to be corrected in the first place.

If you want to follow the law go cut off your foreskin and stop eating pork then.

[Anonymous No.16598754]

>>16596303
No it would get worse

[Anonymous No.16598759]

>>16596390
>Deuteronomy
It applies to SPECIFIC contexts

[Anonymous No.16598771]

>>16596411
no parts of the bible are ridiculous, he is saying Deuteronomy applies largely to a specific context
both old and new testament also confirm that earth is flat

[Anonymous No.16598774]

>>16596303
You could probably write several books on this topic.
Jesus promised only that you will have a place in heaven if you live according to the Bible which includes faith. He did not promise your life would be better if you believe. Whatever happens to you on earth may be better, worse or the same as what would've happened if you had not faith. It is entirely possible, although perhaps unlikely, that you will be called to a gruesome martyr's death.

In my personal experience, faith has improved my life and a connection with God has helped me deal with things that I could not when I was agnostic. In my experience I would also say that the people who appear to be happiest are Christians and that any people I know who become Christians, improve their lives. Obviously that's very subjective and there are certainly some ways that being a Christian can negatively impact your life.

If you plan on living according to the Bible without having faith, then I think you are probably missing the point. It's an interesting experiment. It may be a total waste of time or it may help you improve society in your own small way which is about all the good we can do on earth anyway. I would probably say you should give it ago but only because it might lead you to actual faith which would do you good. If not on Earth, then at least in Heaven.

[Anonymous No.16598793]

>>16596434
>Bring sacrifices to the central sanctuary
Yes, that how it was

>If you soibois can't find animals to sacrifice, the pet store is a good starting point.
Another fedora atheist who never read the bible, its impossible to sacrifice anything today according to the bible rules because there is no temple, and jesus himself has become the perfect sacrifice so theres no need for it
>uh buh me thinks sacrifice of things to clean yourself is sad and cruel
Maybe to us modern men, but my ancestors didnt give a shit about killing people in wars, let alone a sheep

>bbut muh slavery
The bible slaves were given better treatment than many modern people receive, and slavery is based if its with subhumans, look what happened to america when the niggers were let free

[Anonymous No.16598801]

>>16596446
>their myths are even more outlandish
You mean their myrhs were even more based
And myths my ass, historical facts

[Anonymous No.16598809]

>>16598774
>He did not promise your life would be better if you believe. Whatever happens to you on earth may be better, worse or the same as what would've happened if you had not faith
I think thats not entirely true because of what Psalms 1 says

[Anonymous No.16598818]

>>16598753
Not eating pork is based, in the new testament gentiles are still explicitly told by the true apostles to follow some of the old laws (like not eating meat with blood, not fornicating, etc.)
Circumcision is not required to gentiles unless you want to be a jewish slave

[Anonymous No.16598821]

>>16598801
>You mean their myths were even more based
>And myths my ass, historical facts
Ring-a-ding-ding, this is for you:

[Anonymous No.16598827]

>>16598801
based retard

[Anonymous No.16598970]

>>16597525
Make it easier for others to forgive themselves if you truly want to make your sins forgivable. Oh God I'm in anxiety every day knowing I won't be able to repay God for everything he has given me.

[Anonymous No.16599169]

>>16598187
Do you concede that He may have died materially because you're agnostic of it or because you think it doesn't matter whether He was reborn in reality or symbolically? I feel like there's some wisdom to be had here about the nature of faith and our faulty senses. I'm struggling for the words, but maybe you know what I'm trying to say

[Anonymous No.16599217]

>>16598753
>Hint: the law isn’t the law of Moses, its these two commandments: “Love God, and love your neighbor as you love yourself”. This is the whole and the sum of the law. If the Law of Moses was ever legitimate, it would never need to be corrected in the first place.
There are passages quoted in this thread that disprove that.

[Anonymous No.16599256]

>>16599169
I loosely define my belief here >>16596442.
Theologically, Jesus needs to have been resurrected. I don't mind if you believe it was materially or symbolically since the outcome is the same.

[Anonymous No.16599486]

>>16596303
>become a slave to the system (don't rebel against ur government and pay ur taxes like a good bubbalah)
>marry some autistic virgin with no life experience (cuz who needs interesting women bro, women are just baby carriers with no mind of their own)
>and finally remember to regularly give away your wealth and belongings to people who ACTUALLY deserve it (meaning, not u u dumb goy)

[Anonymous No.16599614]

>>16599486
>Found the materialistic jew lusting for roasties
Out.

[Anonymous No.16599671]

>>16596448
>>16596919
I'm sorry for my outburst anon, I was sleep deprived and just smashed my cat into the roadside and was heated.

[Anonymous No.16599970]

>>16596390
imagine being filtered this hard

[Anonymous No.16600064]

>>16596411
By now it has been established for like 200 years that the Torah alone already likely consists of at least like 5 authors Elohist, Jawhist, Priest, D1 and D2), so there you go with infallibility