/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16595000]

post lit( philosophical, historical, anecdotal) that helps understand modern consumerism and hedonism.

[Anonymous No.16595114]

>>16595000
Plato, specifically The Republic.

[Anonymous No.16595116]

Marxist shill thread

[Anonymous No.16595199]

>post pseudo-science
no

[Anonymous No.16595375]

>>16595199
>53 studies provide strong support for the addiction model
>28 recent literature reviews & commentaries by some of the top neuroscientists in the world that all support the addiction model.
> Over 55 studies reporting findings consistent with escalation of porn use (tolerance), habituation to porn, and even withdrawal symptoms (all signs and symptoms associated with addiction)
>pseudo-science
ok dipshit

[Anonymous No.16595466]

>>16595375
Is masturbation bad too? What if I masturbate to my coworker instead of porn?

[Anonymous No.16595474]

[Anonymous No.16595495]

>>16595375
>people enjoy this thing so they do it a lot
>over time their body gets better at resisting dopamine from this particular activity
>this makes the thing not work as well and then people get sad
There, I summed up the book for everyone. It's no deeper than this.

[Anonymous No.16595527]

>>16595495
Wasn't the dopamine theory of pleasure debunked recently?

[Anonymous No.16595561]

>>16595527
More on this? Curious

[Anonymous No.16595617]

>>16595466
vanilla imagination won't be remotely as impactful as switching between tabs of hardcore porn everyday

[Anonymous No.16595688]

>>16595527
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/dopamine-fasting-misunderstanding-science-spawns-a-maladaptive-fad-2020022618917

You can't deprive yourself of "dopamine" so to speak. It's a misnomer. Of course, taking break from stimulating activities is good every now and then, but quitting pleasurable activities cold turkey isn't really healthy.
Also, this isn't really recent, but this dopamine fasting thing is a huge misnomer, there are articles about it from back when it was first invented, I think.

[Anonymous No.16595765]

Check out this Instagram post if you want to be depressed about the youth
https://www.instagram.com/p/CFfBsljA6FE67A6268bekqJmo6Q0IhGlRbiX8s0/

[Anonymous No.16595782]

>>16595765
account is private

[Anonymous No.16595824]

>>16595000

[Anonymous No.16595835]

>>16595782
Damn essentially some girl talking about how she drove 1.5 hours for a "dick appointment"

[Anonymous No.16595843]

>>16595835
I hope it was some impressive dick

[Anonymous No.16595853]

>>16595843
Apparently it was

[Anonymous No.16596813]

>>16595853
>>16595835
why the fuck do you care? Culture indoctrination.

[Anonymous No.16596822]

>>16595000
Go back to r*ddit with this psychopopsci bullshit

[Anonymous No.16596826]

>>16595000
Books by Michel Clouscard, a French Marxist who wrote about the "ideology of desire" and "seduction capitalism", and how these form a system of neo-fascism that the elites are all too happy to enforce as it diverts everyone from class struggle and actual economical oppression. I don't know if his books are available in English though.
http://barricadejournal.org/vol2issue1/neofascism-and-ideology-of-desire/

[Anonymous No.16596835]

>>16595199
Lmao even believers are starting to question their faith but science believers still have their strongest faith. On the helm for over 200 years now and the world has gone to absolute he'll. But sure, science will also help us.

[Anonymous No.16596844]

>>16595527
It's not recent, it's well known that dopamine isn't linked to pleasure but to motivation and reward. Heavy addicts do not even feel an inch of pleasure when the usage becomes too regular and lasts too long. It"s just tension relief.
Dopamine was supposed to motivate you to search for necessary supplies like food and sex. Drugs can hijack this system by giving you something that resembles dopamine, or in the case of porn of sugar, direct dopaminergic satisfaction as they are distorted versions of the necessary behaviours, which gives them very strong "motivational salience", as much as necessary behaviours.
With the years however, the addiction spirals form the dopaminergic "reward" system to the close and related "habit system", for which motivational salience and pleasure from intake aren't even necessary anymore, you just engage in the addictive behaviour whether you like it or not.

[Anonymous No.16596853]

>>16595688
None of this make the points in the post here >>16595495 wrong.

[Anonymous No.16596861]

>>16596844
But then, what causes addiction to sex? Or to videogames?

[Anonymous No.16596868]

>>16596844
This pic related is fucking depressing. A man can never be at peace.

[Anonymous No.16596878]

>>16596861
Sex addition is the same as porn addiction.
Videogames aren't really "addictive", unless they involve some sort of gambling or insidious rewerd system like some mobile games.
Young adolescents who spend a lot of time on vidya do so by lack of alternatives, and because they genuinely enjoy the activity. The result is similar, but it can't be called an addiction, as if they develop a passion for something else, these men could gradually give up vidya for exemple. This can't happen with an actual addiction.

[Anonymous No.16596910]

>>16595199
Cope harder coomer

[Anonymous No.16596921]

>>16595000

[Anonymous No.16596927]

>>16595495
You missed the main parts:
>people develop degenerated fetish,
>your pp won't become hard to real partner
> your view of sex will become unrealistic
> porn literaly eat the grey matter in your brain

[Anonymous No.16596964]

>fap to porn multiple times daily for three years no intercourse
>sex first time in those years
>fap that morning
>rock hard and cum after 35 minutes
>go again
beta males with erectile dysfunction from being low t soilads blaming their shitty diet and exercise habits on porn.. lmao maybe you arej ust genetic outcasts and arent meant to procreate

[Anonymous No.16597032]

>>16596921
In other words, porn makes you degenerate.
You should stop shilling for it

[Anonymous No.16597038]

>>16596921
>literally admitting porn is diabolical
Kek

[Anonymous No.16597040]

>>16597032
How am I shilling for it? Seeing shit like that helped me wise up to how evil it is.

[Anonymous No.16597071]

>>16597040
I wasn't sure, so I just assumed the worst.
God bless you

[Anonymous No.16597074]

>>16596921
I've never read anything more jewish

[Anonymous No.16597090]

>>16595000
This book was debunked

[Anonymous No.16597102]

>>16597090
So this is the power of "science"

[Anonymous No.16597104]

>>16597090
And where is this "fascinating rigorous new research" you are talking about?
All I see is a journalist rambling about how this must be false cuz muh science words I don't understand. Fucking kek

[Anonymous No.16597123]

>>16596826
i 'm sorry, i can't take seriously intellectual secular humanists who talk about fascism, as if the their secular republic is not a fascist society killing everybody who does not embrace their dogmas of human rights.

[Anonymous No.16597146]

>>16597104
>And where is this "fascinating rigorous new research" you are talking about?
>All I see is a journalist rambling about how this must be false cuz muh science words I don't understand. Fucking kek

I don't know if he has research on this.
But I'm kind of used to this kind of argument by liberals when they defend promiscuity.
"When religion dominated, we thought promiscuity was wrong. But now with science, we know it isn't".

And then you wonder, which science? And the answers tend to be something about religion being wrong and that you need to look for science for all answers in life.

[Anonymous No.16597156]

>>16597090
Note that this is written by the same writer who wrote this: >>16596921

[Anonymous No.16597179]

Remember anons, repetition isn't addiction. It needs to be done obsessively and with ill effects to ones well being. Ultimately you need to be the judge if your habits fall under this definition and make changes accordingly.
The idea that porn or masturbation are inherently bad is silly though.
Orgasm is objectively good for you.

[Anonymous No.16597185]

>>16595466
yes, people knew that for thousands of years.
(((some people))) just decided recently they need you to consoom and don't ask questions

[Anonymous No.16597201]

>>16597179
If you feel really bad when you can't have it for a long time and it is not something like air or water that human beings need in order to survive, you are addicted to it.

[Anonymous No.16597228]

>>16595199
>addiction doesn't exist lmao
Based retard

[Anonymous No.16597439]

>>16596921
This is a strong argument against porn

[Anonymous No.16597450]

>>16597074
And he isnt even tribesman. Anglos are just interchangable with Jews.

[Anonymous No.16597515]

>>16597201
Add to that list of exceptions sex, sleep, socialization.
I'm thinking porn is working as a substitute for the first and social medias for the second these days. Not that it's a good substitute though.

[Anonymous No.16597548]

>>16597515
Sex is not an exception. It also addicts.

[Anonymous No.16597554]

>>16596826
It's funny because Michel Clouscard and now his disciple Michéa are basically considered fascist by their fellow French commies.

[Anonymous No.16597559]

>>16597548
People have become addicted to water and died from too much. Food as well.
Just because some people get addicted to something doesn't make it inherently addicting.

[Anonymous No.16597564]

>>16597559
Sex gives you a strong kind of pleasure. Of course it is addicting. That's why you don't marry a promiscuous woman.

[Anonymous No.16597566]

>>16597564
Food also gives people strong pleasure.
Yet many people go through life enjoying both food and sex without becoming addicted to either

[Anonymous No.16597572]

>>16597566
Depends on the food.
And people who do have a lot of sex do have the problem of desiring more of it. Of feeling they need it to have a good life.

[Anonymous No.16597614]

>>16597515
Do you imagine that substances and actions that are necessary for our continued existence are the same as watching porn, smoking tobacco, and engaging in compulsive sexual behavior?

[Anonymous No.16597654]

>>16597156
LMAO true

[Anonymous No.16597661]

>>16596927
That is all summed up as:
>your expectations become unrealistic

Nothing more than that. Stop jerking off if you're having this much of an issue maintaining a social life.

[Anonymous No.16597793]

>>16597661
>Stop jerking off
I believe that is his point

[Anonymous No.16597818]

>>16597793
He could have made it without the fearmongering bullshit.

[Anonymous No.16597832]

>>16597818
What "fearmongering"? Porn is harmful for yourself. He is not wrong.

[Anonymous No.16597855]

>>16597832
It's not that harmful. Plenty of people enjoy it without experiencing harm.

[Anonymous No.16598032]

>epiphenomenalism

The ABSOLUTE state.

[Anonymous No.16598074]

>>16597855
spotted anime poster

[Anonymous No.16598517]

>>16595375
Have you actually read even a single one of those studies? The conclusions the author draws from them aren't valid since most of them were done on people with established porn addiction (e.g the paper on escalation of porn use is only for a small minority of the population not for people in general, likewise all the erectile disfunction stuff occurs only in a small minority). In other words, a lot of it is reverse causative.

The actual modern neuroscientific consensus on porn use is as follows:
1. It's often a coping mechanism for some underlying issue (e.g depression, anxiety, stress etc.)
2. Exposure at a young age (pre-pubescent to pubescent) *is* harmful
3. Porn addicts are usually conflated with sex addicts in these kinds of studies and whether actual porn addicts even exist is still not clear. They aren't even (officially) classified as behavioral addictions yet (like compulsive gambling) though many studies are trying to make the case for it by examining it from that angle.

It is true that porn, like video games or imageboard browsing, is generally a waste of time and should be minimized or replaced with healthier alternatives, but whether it's addictive to the general population is unclear. Mainstream social media apps are far more addictive, as they were specifically designed to change people's behavior.

If you think you're addicted to porn, you either have an addictive personality to begin with or you're using porn to cope with something.

>>16595000
Not lit, but take a look at the documentary "The Social Dilemma" that came out earlier this year. It's a series of interviews with ex-tech execs at the major media/ad companies (Google, FB, Instagram etc.) where they talk about how they model and exploit human psychology to make their apps more addictive.

[Anonymous No.16598581]

>>16596921
Holy shit. Disgusting

[Anonymous No.16599003]

>>16598517
>1. It's often a coping mechanism for some underlying issue (e.g depression, anxiety, stress etc.)
>Exposure at a young age (pre-pubescent to pubescent) *is* harmful
this is the same with all drugs

[Anonymous No.16599094]

>>16595000
I dont get how anybody can prefer porn to actual sex. even making out with someone is way more pleasurable than the best fap Ive ever had

[Anonymous No.16599103]

>>16597855
>Plenty of people enjoy it without experiencing harm.
Famous last words of every junkie ever.

[Anonymous No.16599109]

>>16598517
>(((consensus)))
Uhm, sweetie...

>whether actual porn addicts even exist is still not clear
Holy cow, I'm literally laughing out loud at you right now.

[Anonymous No.16599163]

>>16595199
post nose

[Anonymous No.16599236]

Imagine letting societal prejudices brainwash you to feel guilty from enjoying your ejculations

[Anonymous No.16599251]

I wish this thread would have turned into a thread with ways to hack the psyche instead of just
>pron bad

[Anonymous No.16599283]

>>16599251
Okay, here's one. Try sublimation.
Have you ever noticed that you get angry, frustrated, or sad because of sexual frustration? You can take that energy and turn it into whatever you want. When you find yourself drawn to coomerism, turn your mind to other things, and consciously transform your lust into intense focus. This is how men have achieved greatness in all ages.

[Anonymous No.16599306]

>>16599109
>Uhm, sweetie...
Good thing we have shitty white nationalist podcasts to give us teh facts

[Anonymous No.16599333]

>>16595000
Plato's Gorgias.

[Anonymous No.16599489]

>>16595000
checked. Consumer society by Baudrillard.
>>16595199
I don't need science to know that porn is juice poisonous propaganda.

[Anonymous No.16599594]

>>16599333
I can't stop thinking of cooks as deceitful rhetoricians of the body whenever I see fat people enjoying food.

[Anonymous No.16599651]

>>16599103
Ozzy's still having fun at 71

[Anonymous No.16599815]

Literally anything by Vance Packard

[Anonymous No.16599853]

Brave New World and BNW Revisited
Anything by Houellebecq
ISAIF by Kaczynski

[Anonymous No.16600637]

>>16599283
>You can take that energy and turn it into whatever you want
How do you do it? You talk as if it's as intuitive and simple as picking up an object from a table or something.

[Anonymous No.16600657]

The Waste Makers by Vance Packard

[Magnolia No.16600879]

>>16595000
What are some books / videos ways of quitting porn. I'm tired of this vicious cycle of spending hours finding the right videos with 40+ tabs, digusting fetishes, hentai, doujins, it's so time consuming with no reward and I just edge, edge and edge and get into my degenerate shit... I edged for 5 hours one night instead of doing an easy assessment for hardware class.

I'm fucking tired and I hate this about my self.
I'm fucking at my wits end /lit/

Is op's post a good start?

[Anonymous No.16600917]

>>16598517
>>16598517
>If you think you're addicted to porn, you either have an addictive personality to begin with or you're using porn to cope with something.

that is how addiction works in general, including alcohol and cigarettes, even soldiers who were addicted to heroin in vietnam easily dropped it when they got home.

[Anonymous No.16600947]

Ladies and gentlemen, we got em.

[Anonymous No.16600978]

>>16595000
One-Dimensional Man maybe
haven't read it but have read some Marcuse which at least makes you question mode of thought as influenced by machines

[Anonymous No.16600985]

>>16600947
Kek, these porn sites have absorbed so much energy from homo sapiens into the techno realm, forever trapping their libido within a web made of ether, no longer desiring the contact of another body made of flesh. Shameless scum.

[Anonymous No.16601024]

>>16595199
If you dont think sex can be as powerful as any hard drug you have a pea brain

[Anonymous No.16601058]

>>16600917
Heroin is not a measly little psychological addiction like porn addiction. It is a real physical addiction and your body will fail and you will want to die during withdrawls.
Vietnam War saw a massive amount of vets addicted to heroin and crack in the streets. What a stupid and baseless opinion.

[Anonymous No.16601069]

>>16601024
Show me porn addicts falling into seizures

[Anonymous No.16601073]

>>16601069
Tell me how theres any difference between a meth addict‘s rotted out teeth and the goatse guy’s permanently prolapsed asshole

[Anonymous No.16601076]

>>16600985
>says the man on 4chan

[Anonymous No.16601079]

>>16601024
nigga, fucking alcohol is a more potent drug than sex

[Anonymous No.16601081]

>cum
>dont fall into despair
I declare nofap, refuted

[Anonymous No.16601099]

>be me, a deranged sex maniac
>meme consertives applaud me for not fapping to porn

[Anonymous No.16601102]

>>16601073
i'd wager you are in pretty deep if you don't see any difference between a mouth and asshole

[Anonymous No.16601105]

>>16600637
write smut or direct porn, capture females in the wild

[Anonymous No.16601113]

>>16601102

[Anonymous No.16601118]

>>16601102
I guess you're right because I certainly can't tell the difference between your mouth and your asshole

[Anonymous No.16601127]

>>16601118
use your hands

[Anonymous No.16601130]

>>16595495
That's it in a nutshell, the issue in the fact that the core of the habituation is rooted in perceptions vital to healthy socialization and sexuality. Further, cycles of addictive behavior reinforce the generalized pursuit of dopamine via other addictive activities. Drug-addicts for instance rarely engage in only a single addictive activity/substance but in more and more as previous ones become habituated. There is some evidence that early porn addiction conditions children for a life-time of addictive behavior.

[Anonymous No.16601169]

Bump should I watch or not

[Anonymous No.16601181]

>>16595114
Second this

[Anonymous No.16601191]

>>16601058
oh it causes physical withdrawal symptoms? So just like porn then. No you fucking retard, 95% of heroin users in Vietnam stopped using when they came back, that is the point. Saying porn isn't addictive because the majority of people who get addicted are missing something in their lives is stupid, that is the case with all addictions.

[Anonymous No.16601233]

>>16601191
>physical withdrawal symptoms
>porn
The neopuritan breed of 4channers never fails to amuse me

[Anonymous No.16601397]

>>16595000
I'd compare it to smoking weed - no one gets addicted to weed in the same way one gets addicted to alcohol, gambling, or hard drugs, but one can develop a very harmful habit that becomes hard to break. In the same way that weed makes people lazy if used in copius quantities during adolesence, porn consumption in adolescence leads people to generally have weird ideas or anxieties about sex and relationships. If used to cope with anxiety I wouldn't be surprised if it end up creating more anxiety about sex - conditioning beyond the zero, if you will.

I don't think the answer is a porn ban or a public health campaign aimed at lowering porn consumption. If people weren't lonely and anxious they probably wouldn't look at porn, so we need to make people less lonely and anxious which can only be done by having meaningful relationships and being yourself.

[Anonymous No.16601507]

>>16600879
If youre that far gone fucking around and reading books isnt going to help too much. Just put a filter on your browser and stop watching it.

[Anonymous No.16601511]

>>16600879
The Easy Peasy Way was the only thing that helped me
https://sites.google.com/site/hackbookeasypeasy/home
can also listen to it if your dopamine receptors are too fried to read a book
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6nyOahAoYo

[Anonymous No.16601531]

>>16600879
https://youtu.be/W5Lg9P-VekA

[Anonymous No.16601957]

>>16596921
There is no early life section in wikipedia but I found this:
In an interview with Salon.com, he said "The sex-addiction concept is a belief system, not a diagnosis; it’s not a medically supported concept. The science is abysmal."

Ley has also criticized Internet memes surrounding the No Nut November challenge, calling them "a creepy little smorgasbord of insecurity-driven hate with anti-Semitism, misogyny, and homophobia all rolled up in one."

[Anonymous No.16601971]

>>16601957
He is paid by the porn companies, openly collaborated with xhamster, most of his arguments have already been debunked.

[Anonymous No.16601972]

>>16596921
the studies he cites are bullshit. Porn makes both men and women think women are less competent, and it doesn't reduce homosexuality, it contorts straight people into viewing homosexual images.

[Anonymous No.16602364]

>>16595495
>if I act reductive I can pretend I have an argument

[Anonymous No.16602377]

>>16596921
How the fuck is viewing the female body as a mere object to satisfy my lusts to the point I can only think of women in the context of their chests and ass in the least bit egalitarian?

[Anonymous No.16602388]

>>16596921
>RELIGION BAD
Wow nice non-sequitur. His middle-class parents must be really proud of paying their son's college tuition.

[Anonymous No.16602424]

>>16601957
Just the insecure ramblings of an addict.

[Anonymous No.16602469]

>>16601397
Ya know, you're right but there is a big difference between porn and marijuana:
You actually need to go to buy Marijuana or wait it to grow, porn is different you just open your browser, search a few words and here you go.
If stopping with Marijuana is easier because you can just stop going to buy it or grow it, for porn is hard: when your dick is hard, you're single and maybe you're using your phone in your room alone, well it's so damn hard it's like you have weed under your nose and you're saying "No i'm not gonna smoke this"
Public health campaign are definitely needed, porn is additive like gambling, smoke and weed but free and easy to consume

[Anonymous No.16602504]

I'm not a pleb or anything but I hate these kind of topics where there are so many different opinions pulling in different directions. I wish someone could just tell me the truth and then I can apply that knowledge practically.

[Anonymous No.16602621]

>>16602504
Only practical advise you need is "don't touch your dick" and "let nature do its thing in your sleep"

[Anonymous No.16603300]

>>16596878
Jajajja copimg, fucking videogame nerd.

[Anonymous No.16603403]

>>16595000
The Bible and the writings of the early church fathers.

[Anonymous No.16603553]

>>16597450
But Yes, David Ley IS a jewish name

[Anonymous No.16604104]

>>16595000
The Consuming Instinct by Gad Saad
Irresistible by Adam Alter

[Anonymous No.16604105]

>>16598517
No biology is mentioned, but that isn't a surprise given how retardedly divided and isolated science fields are. Strictly speaking in just neuroscientific subjects, the uncertainty and inconclusiveness surrounding these studies is reasonable. Taken with a view of biological consequences, they take on an entirely different light. When someone begins to use heroin, for example, it's the equivalent of someone taking the endorphin system and ramming a slushee cup's worth of dopamine through it over the course of 6-12 hours. The withdrawal from that is horrible, as the body tries to rebuild the chemical homeostasis of itself while feeling drained, in pain and exhausted due to the new perceived "normal" level of dopamine that's no longer being met. You don't need a degree to figure out that has horrible consequences on a person's mental state and normal brain chemistry. If we shift to porn use, it seems much milder in comparison until you realize that it isn't just dopamine being released when jerking off to the favorite fetish of choice, the viewer is also _expelling_ chemicals that are extremely valuable biomatter. Just the dopamine release can be worked around; an exercise of routine and habit-rebuilding and reward normalizing can stop and start most behaviors. It becomes much more difficult when the body doesn't have the resources needed to change behaviors. The biomatter found in sperm and semenal fluid is very costly for an organism to produce, and is understandably so: it's biomatter meant for the very costly act of reproduction, and reserved for occasional use. Vitamin C, calcium, chlorine, citric acid, fructose, lactic acid, magnesium, nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, sodium, vitamin B12, and zinc are all found in sperm along with valuable proteins that are very nutritionally dense. It's difficult to get these minerals naturally if you aren't well-fed, and the body starves and suffers when it's denied this nutrition either through starvation or the constant expelling of these nutrients with no replenishing. When people talk about porn being bad, they usually mean that porn's effects are bad for you (unrealistic expectations, addictive time wasting, etc.), but the real trouble is from repeated masturbation. All of the drawbacks from sex and none of the benefits are felt by chronic masturbators. The mental state of loneliness from a lack of a partner is compounded with the energy drain of preparing and expelling valuable semen, and no time for rest or any replenishing of these nutrients is given. It is in no way healthy to slave yourself to masturbation and porn. Hiding behind fancy inconclusive neuroscientific studies won't change what a basic understanding of biology, resources and human nature will tell you to be true, anon. Stop jerking off to anime girls and fetishes. Spend your time bettering yourself or being able to read without brain fog making things hazy.

[Anonymous No.16604138]

>>16595466
I never watch porn and stick with this. I think it just makes me hornier for ppl I see irl but at least I don’t have that many fetishes

[Anonymous No.16604159]

>>16600879

This book actually helped to stop for once and for all.

https://easypeasymethod.org/

[Anonymous No.16604245]

>>16600879
I don't have any books to recommend to you, but I do have some advice. I used to jerk off most days because I had no gf and it was an easy way to stop anxiety and depressive feelings. Then I got tired of NEETdom and decided in my gut that I wanted something different, something other than being a university drop-out and occasional wagie. I spent about 3/4 of this year building up a travel van mostly on my own, and I came to understand just how much jerking off impeded me. On days I didn't wake up and coom I could think a few hours into the future and make progress on the build. On days I fapped it was a wash and I felt doubly awful from general depression and a feeling of failing myself by not working towards my goal. Through the patience of loving parents (lucky for me) and my own determination I finished it and have been on the road ever since, studying my interests and hobbies and living the Dao, or living in a way appropriate to me. I still have the urge to masturbate, and I've fapped multiple times. It's lessened though. It isn't every day. The span between lapses in willpower is getting wider and wider and the time I spend looking at anime tiddies is getting lesser and lesser. This is exactly what I want, because you can't truly quit porn. To do that would be to swear off sexuality as a whole, and deny part of the nature that makes up you as a human. So instead you have to work with your sexual impulses, not be lazy and dump the responsibility onto porn. Use the energy it gives you for your hobbies and interests and assignments. Convert it into something useful. If you really, really want to, get a girlfriend you can fuck. You can do it with just a bit of learning up on how to run women in a positive way. Look up Patrice O'Neil for getting an unofficial masterclass on the mind and behaviors of women. If you don't want to put up with the other half of the species, then go the Tesla and Newton route. Take your electric and burning desire to fuck and turn it into the creative lust that these men possessed. Read, study, exercise, build, create, do SOMETHING with that time and energy and you will out-do your best expectations with what you can accomplish. And, here's the important result of it: it won't remove the temptation. Instead, it will make the choice of not giving in more appealing than giving in. And that is what you need, not what you want. If you want it in your gut for this state of affairs to change, then YOU have to change it and start exercising that will power. There is no other way but you deciding that you truly want to change. If you want it half-heartedly, if you're milquetoast about it, if it's something you'd only go after if it wasn't too much of a burden on you, you will stay this way until you're 60 and your flaccid wrinkly cock is limp till the rest of your days. But if you do want to change, then man up and take that task by the head. Take responsibility. Take on that suffering and become better for it.

[Anonymous No.16604256]

>>16600637
It takes an exercise of willpower on your part to consciously do something else instead of fapping. Read up on the mental transmutation techniques of Hermeticism if you want to delve deep into it, otherwise just make the decision yourself instead of giving in to the impulse to coom.

[Anonymous No.16604282]

>>16595199
nigga you literally just go on gif or peruse the internet in general and see the deleterious effects of pornography, oversexualisation, and many other interrelated destructive phenomena of today completely bare to see. there are so many angles that even if half were thoroughly proved to be mistaken there would still be far more reason to not use porn than to use it.

[Anonymous No.16604303]

>>16596826
what the fuck does fascism mean to these people are you kidding me. is he just trying to write about something he's thought about but to be taken seriously by his academic environment he needs to dress it up in these nonsense words?

[Anonymous No.16604329]

>>16596921
>more supportive of women
feminists have told me that all porn instils violence and dehumanisation towards women (not sure how they figure women who watch porn into this) -> all men watch porn -> all men are misogynists

which one is right, mr establishment man?

[Anonymous No.16604336]

>>16597855
plenty of people enjoy it while experiencing harm.

[Anonymous No.16604353]

>>16597090
>>16596921
i understand having a different opinion but this shit is straight up propaganda without a word of substance

[Anonymous No.16604387]

>>16598517
bruh im literally addicted to cooming to porn it is clearly an addiction as i understand the definition to be

[Anonymous No.16604400]

>>16599236
>societal prejudices
are to insist porn is dogmatically good or at least not harmful. don't pretend otherwise you're literally battered with erotic imagery and encouragement daily.

[Anonymous No.16604494]

>>16595000

>of course it's not addiction
want to consume porn when I'm anxious, sad, or want to forget about problems. makes me feel relaxed.

[Anonymous No.16604637]

>>16595000
Based trip.

This is a little long but relevant and worth the read.

[Anonymous No.16604668]

>>16604637

[Anonymous No.16605406]

>>16604245
>because you can't truly quit porn. To do that would be to swear off sexuality as a whole, and deny part of the nature that makes up you as a human.

I think when sexual desire, whipped up by pornographic imagery, is deeply concentrated into intense mental fantasies, with those fantasies in turn tied to masturbation and ejaculation, it fucks you up. It fucks up something in your mind. That's not how human sexuality is meant to work -- a thing that exists solely in the mind, whipped and ridden by a one-handed rider.

In short, quitting porn is not swearing off sexuality as a whole.

[Anonymous No.16605480]

>>16602469
Good point about how easy it is to access. I've spent all my time in college towns so weed has been pretty ubiquitous. I guess the difficult part about a public health campaign is to not make it seem moralizing or cheesy.

[Anonymous No.16605529]

>>16604105
The body is constantly producing sperm and the "cost" of ejaculation is negligible compared to the body's biomass. "Well-fed" is also a ridiculous overstatement. The amount you need to consume to replenish lost biomatter from multiple ejaculations is about a single hamburger or a glass of milk. Any minerals that are lost can be made up (and then some) with a single multivitamin. The only real issue might be zinc or selenium but eating the aforesaid hamburger (with seasame seeds on the bun) is enough to replenish that. From an evolutionary perspective it also doesn't make any sense to select for "costly" reproduction. Indeed in human reproduction almost all of the cost is born by the mother. A man loses more energy from walking around the block than he would from ejaculating.

As for brain fog and associated symptoms, these are almost certainly a result of sleep deprivation caused by people messing up their circadian rhythm through nighttime computer use -- i.e when people tend to watch porn. Try going to sleep at a regular time every night and watch all those problems vanish. Porn is a waste of time and a general detriment to society but "loss of vital nutrients" and "semen retention" is utter pseudoscience.

[Anonymous No.16607163]

>>16602469
The main harm is just wasted time right? Like, are’t people punished for that in a roundabout way anyhow?

[Anonymous No.16607275]

>>16601130
tl;dr dumb people ruin things for smart people.

[Anonymous No.16607824]

>>16595000

[Anonymous No.16608077]

>>16595199
What’s the difference between science and pseudo-science?

[Anonymous No.16608140]

>>16601511
This worked for a week for me and then I jerked off every subsequent day

[Anonymous No.16608623]

>>16595000
unironically Infinite Jest

[Anonymous No.16608655]

Semen retention is real but you will likely feel like shit at first because your emotional development was shut off during your first addiction binges
porn are literally driven by demons who leach energy from you

[Anonymous No.16608673]

>>16604668
will power is a horrible way to quit something

[Anonymous No.16608688]

>>16595000
Industrial Society and its Future, apparently

[Anonymous No.16608691]

>get put in a situation where masturbation would be difficult (example: i spent about a month and a half camping with friends)
>zero problems whatsoever, no withdrawal symptoms or anything, and never feel the need to anyway.
>decide not to fap at home
>actual withdrawal symptoms
what the fuck is this?

[Anonymous No.16608731]

>>16596964
>three years
Are you 16 or something?

[Anonymous No.16608762]

>>1659712
I don't know what kind of backwater country you are referring to, but in my secular republic, no matter what you did, then courts can't give you a death sentence. Yes, law enforcement can still eliminate threats when something fucked happens out on the streets, but that's necessary in every functional society, no exceptions

[Anonymous No.16609330]

Unironically train yourself like a dog to overwrite a bad habit.
If the first thing you do is sit down at the computer is open up a porn tab (or something nonproductive and distracting), catch yourself there at the cue because that habitual cue is setting off an already programmed set of actions. If it's feasible, the computer would be the designated work area where you only do productive things, and you can use a tablet in another corner of the room as the leisure area to browse 4chan or youtube with.

Pinch yourself if you manage to catch yourself falling into a bad cue. Reward yourself immediately with a bite of a food you like (like a small piece of candy) when you close that porn tab or successfully complete a productive action.

[Anonymous No.16609522]

>>16608077
One goes against the biases of the observer and the other goes with it.

[Anonymous No.16610036]

>>16609522
Science always goes against the biases of the observer? Pseudoscience never doesn’t?

[Anonymous No.16610073]

>>16608691
See:
>>16605529
>>16598517

A change in environment probably had an effect on whatever underlying issues you had, but when you went back home the environment acted as a cue for them again (including the habit of using porn to deal with those issues). That plus you were probably going to sleep at the same time every day during your camping trip and thus experienced no "withdrawal", i.e sleep deprivation. I myself have experienced the exact same thing you're talking about which is what led me to conclude that porn/masturbation is not the real problem.

[Anonymous No.16610079]

>>16608077
Scientific experiments are (supposed to be anyway) falsifiable and reproducible. Pseudoscience isn't. That's the main difference. The wiki article on pseudoscience has a good definition.

[Anonymous No.16610307]

>>16600879
this video actually helped me
https://vimeo.com/216321570

[Anonymous No.16610450]

>>16601971
That reminds me of cigarette companies paying scientist to say that smoking is good for you or how pain killer companies paid them to say that their drugs werent addictive KEK

[Anonymous No.16610727]

>>16601511
very good stuff every word seems to be talking about me

[Anonymous No.16610829]

>>16597090

By a shill with ties to the porn industry. If we get some more independent studies saying porn is okay, then sure. But this guy is compromised.

[Anonymous No.16611115]

>>16610079
“(supposed to anyway)” is doing a lot of work here.

[Anonymous No.16611186]

>>16605406
Mishandling natural sexual desire is a mistake, I agree. I just meant in that context that quitting all erotica or sexual thoughts in an attempt to stop a masturbation habit was a bad move as it would be the equivalent of breaking a stick in half in an attempt to remove the left half of the stick.

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>>16596921
>>16597090
>David J Ley
oy vey

[Anonymous No.16611373]

>>16605529
I disagree.
>"Well-fed" is also a ridiculous overstatement.
It isn't when you think about the average diet of the American NEET. Fast food, instant noodles and snack foods are NOT proper nutrition. In addition, how many NEET's actually shell out money for multivitamins and proper foods? I can guarantee you that most absolute shut-ins, otakus, weebs and NEET's don't have proper nutrition on their minds. Maybe if there was a public health message about food and nutrition published in manga form they'd change overnight. One can dream.
>From an evolutionary perspective it also doesn't make any sense to select for "costly" reproduction.
From an evolutionary perspective it doesn't make sense to select for neo-natal features and different colored irises. Your statement doesn't address the base ideas behind bio-evolutionary thought either. Men aren't meant to ejaculate 24/7 like chimps do, and you can tell by testicle size. Large testicles indicate a larger capacity for sperm production, which chimps need due the polygamous nature of their mating habits. One alpha male chimp has access to every female chimp, and he tries to mate with as many as he can to spread his genes. If another male chimp takes over and becomes the new alpha, he tries to out-fuck his old competition and will succeed if he can successfully spread more of his sperm than the old alpha. Male humans function closer to a serial monogamy mating habit, which means one partner is selected after a length of time and is stayed with for a long period, sometimes for life. Once a selection is made, a man only has to produce enough sperm to impregnate one partner out of several other potential partners. Consequently, the libido of a man is lesser than that of a chimp's and his sperm is more limited. Straining the body to ejaculate constantly beyond the natural level of libido is unhealthy and disrupts hormone balances greatly. Every time you ejaculate the piece of brain circuitry responsible for your sex drive and testosterone levels is alerted and activated as it believes that you have just successfully mated, thus lowering your drive to compete and do young male things. The stage of life where competition for mates is over, in the mind of your body, and so hormones are released that makes a man more suitable for fatherhood than trying to fuck around as much as possible.
>A man loses more energy from walking around the block than he would from ejaculating.
Try going for a run before you coom. Try to go for a run the next day immediately after cooming. It will occur to you that maybe your statement doesn't hold up to basic reasoning like, "If my body thinks I've just successfully mated, a tiring and draining activity, maybe I won't have as much energy as I usually do."
>Try going to sleep at a regular time every night and watch all those problems vanish.
Test your notion tomorrow. Go to bed tonight no later than 10 PM, wake up at 6 AM. Jerk off 3 times in a row. See what happens.

[Anonymous No.16612988]

>>16595114
But I WANT Luxurieiiiiiis.

[Anonymous No.16612995]

>>16595466
What a fucking super retarded comparison, are you for fucking real?

[Anonymous No.16613011]

>>16596844
No one really wants to talk with you, seems you can’t shitpost good summation.

[Anonymous No.16613025]

>>16598517
this was already debunked by /pol/ sweaty

[Anonymous No.16613080]

>>16601191
>>16601233
He's not talking about porn he was talking about heroin you fucking mouth breather.

[Anonymous No.16613255]

https://www.dlshq.org/teachings/brahmacharya.htm
Take the Brahmacharya aka Volcel pill, preserve and transmute your vital energy into spiritual power

[Anonymous No.16613406]

>>16600879
>>16601511
updated version
https://easypeasymethod.org/

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