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[Anonymous No.16590914]

There is no YAWEH, Zeus, Allah or Odin, there is only the One, the Good, the unparticipated first principle that everything participates in.

[Anonymous No.16590934]

>>16590914
Yeah, almost 100% correct. The One God is the Monadic Triadic God. The One is Three and The Three are One. This is the Ultimate Good, the True Apophatic God.

[Anonymous No.16590936]

[Anonymous No.16590964]

The way possible to think, runs counter to the constant way.
The name possible to express runs counter to the constant name.
Without description, the universe began.
And she had huge bouncy titties.

[Anonymous No.16590971]

so close
take the taopill

[Anonymous No.16591411]

>>16590914
>One, the Good, the unparticipated first principle that everything participates in.
placeholder made up by midwits

you are just a religious atheist who likes to smell his own literal and figurative farts

[Anonymous No.16591417]

>>16590971
same difference

[Anonymous No.16591420]

>>16590914
>there is no Zeus
Based Plotinus would disagree. Zeus participates and there is absolutely nothing you can do about that fact.

[Anonymous No.16591503]

>>16591420
Zeus is not the One

[Anonymous No.16591522]

>>16591503
Neither are you. Does that mean you do not exist?

[Anonymous No.16591529]

>>16591411
You are just a LARPing christcuck who converted to tradcatholicism because he couldn't get laid.

[Anonymous No.16591541]

>>16590914
>there is no Zeus
Zeus is Intellect as leader and Soul as Creator (the Royal Soul).

[Anonymous No.16591543]

>>16590914
>There is no YAWEH
Yes there is a YWHW. YHWH means "I AM" and, well - that's an ontological argument.

You ARE, correct? You refuted yourself when you said "there IS".

This is the reason Christianity and Judaism are the one true religions, instead of say Zeus or Odin. YHWH is the living God.

[Anonymous No.16591551]

>>16591541
As in the third of every sphere (which are all triads) is Zeus, and the third is the first of the sphere (triad) below it. Which is how Zeus is the First and the Last.

[Anonymous No.16591562]

>>16590914
How difficult is he to read? I plan on reading the enneads in the near future and didn’t realize it was a 700 page tome

[Anonymous No.16591578]

>>16591411
>placeholder made up by midwits
>you are just a religious atheist who likes to smell his own literal and figurative farts

[Anonymous No.16591584]

>>16591562
If you read the first 20 or so Propositions of Proclus Elements of Theology, you'll know the basics of Platonic Ontology.

[Anonymous No.16591601]

How do I free myself from this mortal coil? Suffering in the material body is reaching its breaking point

[Anonymous No.16591613]

>>16590914
I think semitic religions fucked up legit greek religious systems, mah nigga nietzsche is right, we have to free ourselves from these sandnigger ideas and not cope through them anymore like st aquinas, we have to embrace real philosophical ideas about deities, we are in the west for christ sake unironically fuck YAWEH go bak to your desert.

[Anonymous No.16591619]

>>16591543
>Yes there is a YWHW. YHWH means "I AM" and, well - that's an ontological argument.
What is important about that statement is who is supposed to have said it, and that was the god of the Bible. The god of the Bible is obviously a false god and hence it can all be rejected as nonsense. muh ontological ramifications are irrelevant.

The greatness of Greek philosophy proves Zeus though. This is indisputable.

[Anonymous No.16591633]

>>16591522
What does it have to do with OP’s point? Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.16591642]

>>16591411
>you are just a religious atheist who likes to smell his own literal and figurative farts
you mean like deliberately keeping your underwear shit smeared for its fragrance? What kind of sick fuck would do that? That’s worse than being a nigger

[Anonymous No.16591647]

>>16591633
Greek theology doesn't imply that Zeus is the One (beyond he being the One-Being, which is and isn't the One).

[Anonymous No.16591655]

>>16591543
The ontological nature of that statement is a reinterpretation. He says “I am that I am” because he’s too prideful and haughty to think Moses deserves to know his name, or is surprised that Moses doesn’t immediately recognize him.

[Anonymous No.16591659]

>>16591543
The Father is the living god in all of us, not that bloodthirsty demon the Israelites came up with to justify their wars and vengeance. The father would never command to take an eye for an eye.

[Anonymous No.16591670]

>>16591613
Even Jesus knew Yahweh was full of shit. You know there’s a reason he criticizes the mosaic law in his sermon on the mount, disregards the sabbath law for the sake of humanity, calls the father of the Jews the devil, and says the sum of the law is to love god and love your fellow man as yourself?

[Anonymous No.16591708]

>>16591670
>>16591659

Yes. OT "God" commands israelites to dash the skulls of their enemies' children. Christ says:

"Matthew 18:6 - But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

I still don't understand how Christ contradicts the OT "God" yet also says that not one Iota of the OT can be excluded. I'm not a Dualist or a Marcionite or anything like that, but I don't understand how this contradiction can be. I think something fishy happened along the way maybe. But there is no way that Yahweh, or Hashem or whatever, is the Father.

[Anonymous No.16591724]

>>16591708
>Yes. OT "God" commands israelites to dash the skulls of their enemies' children.
No he doesn't.

[Anonymous No.16591736]

>>16591724
Hosea 13:16

The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open.”[a]

[Anonymous No.16591749]

>>16591724
>>16591736

Isaiah 13:17

See, I will stir up against them the Medes,
who do not care for silver
and have no delight in gold.
18
Their bows will strike down the young men;
they will have no mercy on infants,
nor will they look with compassion on children.

[Anonymous No.16591759]

>>16591724
>>16591736
>>16591749

Samuel 15:2

2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

[Anonymous No.16591763]

>>16590914
There's also YOU behind this assertion, senpai. Hope all well.

[Anonymous No.16591790]

>>16591736
>>16591749
>>16591759
Hosea and Isaiah are not commandments but prophecies. I will give you Samuel, though.

[Anonymous No.16591848]

>>16591613
1. Nietzsche was an enthusiast of the Jews. You probably never read him.

2. semitic religions are among the main influences on greek one.

3. i wonder what is a western original philosophy. can you provide me?

[Anonymous No.16591870]

>>16591790

Appreciate it. There's more that Christ disapproved of in the OT God (some kind of desert demon). Take lying for example:

Kings 22:19
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19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’

“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’

22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.

“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.

“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
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But Christ says in John 8:

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You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
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The father of lies. The implication being is that lying is not of God. Yet Yahweh sends out spirits to earth to spread lies.

[Anonymous No.16591877]

>>16591613
Nietzsche was a philosemite, hated those that spoke ill of jews

[Anonymous No.16591896]

>Implying that GOD is good

[Anonymous No.16591942]

>>16591848
>>16591877
What Nietzsche said about Jews and Judaism would put him in prison for hate speech today. Stop with the nonsense please.

[Anonymous No.16591988]

>>16591942
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzschean_Zionism

[Anonymous No.16592000]

>>16591942
That was his sister. He thought that antisemites were losers the same way rappers think of their detractors as "haters"

[Anonymous No.16592079]

>>16591848
>3. i wonder what is a western original philosophy. can you provide me
Read Indo-European Poetry and Myth by Martin Litchfield West

[Anonymous No.16592100]

>>16592079
can you tldr please? sub-saharan africans can say they had original philosophy too

[Anonymous No.16592183]

>>16591988
What does that have to do with N himself? There are Jewish fascists too.

>>16592000
No it wasn’t. In his own works he says some pretty anti Semitic shit and I read the Kaufman translations. Not sure you’ve read him at all.

[Anonymous No.16592287]

>>16592100
Immortal Fame.
>What is it that does not decay under the earth?––The name.
Tarentum.
'A god of ways and byways' (transitions, guide)
Ginnungagap.
Chaoskampf.
All wheel and chariot analogies, since the IEs invented both.
Father Sky.
World Tree.
Gnomes.
Many myths hae their Parallel in Egyptian myth which from the secular standpoint would imply influence from IEs to them as supposed to Egypt to them (since the Egyptians were mostly passive and culturally introverted). A main distinction which goes against influence in either direction before 2700BC is that all the divine genders are reversed.
Divine Twins, Hero's Journey, Sun focus, death and rebirth focus (something not as present is desert demon religions where all year is almost the same/lack of real seasons, Egyptians had the annual flooding of the Nile.)

and not to forget
>The Faustian Spirit

[Anonymous No.16592300]

>>16591724
Read the Bible bro Yahweh tells them to absolutely fuck shit up on multiple occasions.

[Anonymous No.16592421]

>>16592287
Yeah they seem to have parallels with Egypt. But Egypt is known to be dated back to millenia before the king Menes. How is IE not known through Norse mythology, contemporaneous with Egypt, Sumer?

>Father sky
? How did they invent this concept?

>hero’s journey
Already present in egyptian, sumerian myths, iconographies.

>Sun focus, death and rebirth
Again how are these exclsuive to them when they are recurrent in older traditions? Unless you can say there was an established IE civilization/tradition dating back to 10.000BCE

[Anonymous No.16592503]

>>16592421
presence isn't focus

[Anonymous No.16592583]

>>16590914

Ultrabased.

[Anonymous No.16592615]

>>16590914
God is just the energy of the uncreated essence. Stop tripping over this.

[Anonymous No.16592625]

>>16591503
Zeus is an agent of the one tho, anon. Like all of the ideas we have of gods.

[Anonymous No.16592633]

>>16592503
can you say anything substantial? you just tossed concepts and said they all have IE origin even though many of those were common in established civilizations. What is an IE civilization? There were civilizations established or starting to flourish by the time IE migrations were happening, no? How could civilizations contemporaneous with and even still established not much after IE migrations, have ideas similar or exactly like the ones you tossed and claimed to be of IE origin?

[Anonymous No.16592644]

>>16592625
so is YHWH then?
inb4
>n-no this is jew and bad i know because of my kindergarten tier reading of the bible

[Anonymous No.16592645]

>>16591724
>2020
>no biblical literacy
embarassing, anon

[Anonymous No.16592654]

>>16592644
Yeah, of course. Even Spinoza says so and he was real smart.

[Anonymous No.16592661]

>>16592654
>spinoza
yikes

[Anonymous No.16592700]

>>16592615
You're forgetting about the part where this energy of the uncreated essence willed the world into existence, made a bunch of plans, sent prophets, chose a people, gave commandments, talked directly to people, enacted revenge on people, sent his son to make up for some shit that happened, and will eventually reanimate all the corpses of the world.

I find it cringe when you Christians are pretending your god is somehow just the philosopher God. The west didn't stop believing in God because they found the idea that there is some sort of "energy of the uncreated essence" to be completely unbelievable, they stopped believing because of the biblical God, your God.

[Anonymous No.16592745]

>>16592700
Yes, the idea that a middle estern tribal god is the God of the Greek philosophers is laughable.

[Anonymous No.16592800]

>>16592700
>apophatic consciousness of God already present in OT
>the whole monadic-triadic self-relation of God in parallel with the self-conversion of man
it is not the philosopher God, it is the God the philosophers (platonists) knew was the real one.

>forgetting about the part where this energy...
just like greek platonists forgot the one willing to become a bull to fuck a woman?

[Anonymous No.16592804]

>>16592633
IE predates most Civilizations (4000-3000BC), and by 2000BC had influenced all of western Eurasia+North Africa.
With focus I mean high cultural priority. The climate of northern Eurasia gave rise to intrinsic cyclical cosmology. Just as it did in Egypt starting around the same time, since they learned to adapt to the rising of the Nile with farming (again present in most river civilizations, but for Egypt it was the heart of their culture and mythos—unlike the Mesopotamians).

[Anonymous No.16592848]

>>16592804
>IE predates most Civilizations (4000-3000BC)
This is funny because a Civilization is not something established in a single day. What is an IE Civilization? By that time 4000-3000BC Egyptian one was already established with a religious, intellectual, mythical, scientific, political culture we would find later in the Old Kingdom.

>and by 2000BC had influenced all of western Eurasia+North Africa.
North Africa? See above, anon. Western Euriasia? 2000BC Sumeria was already replaced by Akkadia. Not to count other minor mesopotamian, levantine cities.

>The climate of northern Eurasia gave rise to intrinsic cyclical cosmology.
Why was it a thing with so much relevance in Egypt and even Sumeria, though?

> Just as it did in Egypt starting around the same time
read above, any serious book on Egypt will show how ancient this civilization is.

[Anonymous No.16592861]

>>16590936
Where are the quotes of that religious figure from?

[Anonymous No.16592926]

>>16592800
No amount of Christian cope will make Plato into a proto-Christian. He would have laughed at the Christian divinity.
>just like greek platonists forgot the one willing to become a bull to fuck a woman?
The Greeks were never so perverted to imagine The One to be the same as the bull. Christians in their confusion are.

The Greeks knew of the highest and the lowest. Christians only know of the low, whom they in their perversions imagine to be the highest.

[Anonymous No.16593034]

>>16592861
Supposedly Pistis Sophia, which post-date Plotinus

[Anonymous No.16593063]

>>16592926
>cope
wow nice articualtion it really speaks your mind out

>plato proto-christian
well i don't refer exclusively to plato but also to the pythagoreans and telestic cults (same thing as platonism), but my point is that this consciousness of the numinous in christianity was already in the OT and that in Christianity it is the apophatic aspect that is emphasized. These ideas were prefigured, perhaps rather unconsciously, in Egypt.
The way you see things ''plato would laugh at christianity!!!'' resembling a toddler shows you have no intellectual rigour and I wonder why I am replying to someone like you.

[Anonymous No.16593299]

>>16592926
>>16593063

owned

[Anonymous No.16593326]

>>16593063
No one cares if you can extrapolate certain truths out of the Bible if you use a Platonic or Pythagorean lens to do so.
>m-muh consciousness
shut the fuck up. This was all addressed in my original post where I was mocking Christian apologetics trying to bring back people to Christianity by appealing to generic "numinous" terms when it was the Bible that made them leave. Believe it or not, people did not reject Christianity because x Christian mystic did not have something awe inspiring to say or because they just don't know about the writings of Aquinas, Palamas or Otto. Genesis made them leave. The Jesus of the Bible made them leave. Eternal heaven/hell made them leave. Adam and Eve made them leave. The coming physical resurrection of all mankind made them leave. The personal god of the Bible made them leave. There having been a chosen people made them leave.
>tl;dr The God of the Bible made them leave.

No one cares if you think Plato prayed 5 times to Mecca and was describing Allah in his dialogues or not. Or Jesus, whatever.

[Anonymous No.16593341]

>>16593326
Based

[Anonymous No.16593349]

>>16593063
>plato wasn't a christian
>ack-shyu-yu-yually, he was a worshiper of ancient egyptian sex cults and christianity is ACKSHYUYUALLY just those egyptian sex cults so yes he prayed to jesus
are you the pyramid texts guy? the one yesterday that was arguing that everyone, even the chinese, just stole their religion from the jews who are the TRUE EGYPTIANS or whatever?

[Anonymous No.16593636]

i'm drained
i can't bother to respond to any of these
I am floating very weary, and the progenitors are inert.

>>16593349
The guy you talk to would use the below as support for Christianity, while I to show its fraudulent nature .

There comes into being a speech [word] by me, Atum. I was Re at his first appearings, I am the Great One, the self-created, who created my names, Lord of the Ennead, who will not be repelled from the gods. Yesterday is mine, I know tomorrow. The warship of the gods was built in accordance with my command, and I know the name of that great 200 god who is in it. I am that great phoenix which is in On, the supervisor of what exists. I am Min in his goings out, I have set the two plumes on my head. While I was on earth I came from my city. I have got rid of my wrongdoing, I have dispelled my evil, I have removed the falseness which was on me, I have bathed in those two very great lagoons which are in Ninsu, in which the oblations of the plebs are cleansed for the great god who is in it. I proceed on the path which I know in the direction of the Island of the Just, I arrive at the Land of the Horizon-dwellers in the sky, I go out from the sacred portal. O you who are in the Presence, give me your hands, for I am a soul who has come into being among you. I restored the Eye after it had been injured on that day when the Rivals fought. I raised up the hair from the Sacred Eye at the time of its wrath. I saw Rec being born yesterday from the buttocks of the Celestial Cow, and if he is hale, then will I be hale-and vice versa-I because I am one of those who follow after Horus.
Hail to you, you Lords of Truth, the tribunal which is behind Osiris, which puts terror into those who are false when those whom it protects are at rest. See, I have come to you so that you may get rid of the evil which is on me, just as you did for those seven spirits who are in the suite of the Lord of the Nomes when Anubis prepared their seats I on that day of ' "Come thence!'" (The names of the seven spirits are) D/:zd/:z, J~d~d, 'Bull who was not put to his burning,' 'Black-faced who is in his hour', I 'Bloody one who is pre-eminent in the Mansion of Red Linen', 'Radiant-faced who comes out after having turned back', 'He who sees in the night what he shall bring by day'. I am his twin souls which are within his two Fledglings, I am that great Cat who split the isd-tree on its side in On on that night of 282 making war and of warding off the rebels and on that day in which were destroyed the foes of the Lord of All.

[Anonymous No.16593782]

Neoplatonism is literally the larpagan version of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.16593796]

>>16592926
>No amount of Christian cope will make Plato into a proto-Christian. He would have laughed at the Christian divinity.
This is pure nonsense.

[Anonymous No.16593812]

>>16591724
Psalm 137:9
>Happy shall they be who take your little ones
>and dash them against the rock!

[Anonymous No.16593828]

>>16593326
you are a literal seething npc, no matter what I tell you you'll just read the word Christ and will boil. you don't care about truth or spirituality, you don't care about the intellectual fecundity of christianity, you condone modernity and its attack on what is left of genuine spirituality in the world. if this is not demonic possession i don't know what demonic possession is.

>>16593349
post where i claimed people stole something from other people. i literally just said egyptians were one of the main influences on the greek civilization from theology and spirituality to empirical science. but you are dishonest as I often remarked in that thread. scum akin to the poster above. burn.

>>16593636
platonistanon stop being driven by the lowest inclinations and do some reading on real egyptologists like Schwaller de Lubicz.

[Anonymous No.16593912]

>>16593828
>real egyptologists
>like Schwaller de Lubicz

Fundamental to Egyptian cosmogony at all periods is the notion of the primordial Monad, a single source from which all existence derived, conceptualized in the god Atum. Before the creation, the Monad existed as a single, undifferentiated seed (Text 2, 5 "Circlet, who is in his egg") of potentiality, floating inert in the Primeval Waters. Creation is the process through which the One became the Many-through which the Monad developed into the Ennead, sum of all the diverse forces and elements that constitute the biosphere. The Egyptians described the process in generational terms, reflecting both the proximate and the material causality of the creation. The world developed from the Monad as a plant develops from a seed. Each of its numberless constituent parts derives both its substance and its energy from the one original source. The process is developmental, not historical. In creation the Monad is not disintegrated but realized. Atum continues to exist, both as the sum of all creation (Text 5, 33 "the total of the gods' forms") and as its continuing source of life.
The creation itself is described in a series of discrete yet interdependent events. Within the Monad appeared a space devoid (Shu) of the Primeval Waters, separating earth (Geb) from the surface of the Waters (Nut). As the Waters receded, the first mound of land became distinct (Ta-tenen), and the sun rose over it to begin the ever-recurring cycle of life. These images are self-evidently cosmological in reference, but they also express more abstract concepts of the creation of space and time. Before the creation , space did not exist (Text 8, 47-48 "when I was alone with the Waters ... not finding a place in which I could stand or sit"; similarly, Text 9, 11). The first developments defined space, in the void and the Primeval Mound from which "the Flood is subtracted" (Text 2, 7). They also initiated time, defined by "the Sun's beginning to appear in the kingship he has exercised" (Text 10, 4e). The creation initiated both the fixed pattern of existence and the continually changing cycle of life-a duality that expresses not only the Egyptian concept of time but the whole of existence itself: "As for that which exists, it is Eternal Recurrence and Eternal Sameness" (Text 10, 11-12c-d).

There is no reconciliation as long as the canon of scripture includes such implied impossible divine evil acts as this:
>>16593812

[Anonymous No.16593934]

>>16593636
why do you think christianity is so averse to occultism and the latter to the former? can't you see that occultism is plainly not only an inversion of one's will (instead of directing to the Good One God, it is to the empirical, false, illusory I) but also of the very things it appropriates (egyptian, qabbalah, hindu theologies and the arcane knowledge of hermeticism with its syncretic platonic elements)?

[Anonymous No.16593958]

>>16593912
>There is no reconciliation as long as the canon of scripture includes such implied impossible divine evil acts as this

read otto, read boehme, read the hell of the greek, orphic theologies. the ''evil'' is present in all first stages of the numinous

[Anonymous No.16593965]

>>16590914
>first principle
What's that? An equation written somewhere? A structure embedded in nothing and nowhere? At some point we'll rediscover that really the best way for the human brain to frame reality is personification.
YHWH gang waddup

[Anonymous No.16593978]

>>16593912
also: stop retorting with walls of texts having little to no relevance to what is addressed to you

[Anonymous No.16594012]

>>16593958
The difference is total Origenist allegorization of the bible is heresy in Catholic/Orthodox/Oriental church. You cannot hand wave away these acts as ahistorical and have to believe they all were said and implied and done. That you accept triple meanings in all your text doesn't remove the reality of the first meaning, the second and third builds upon the prior one, they don't refute them.
And as always, Protestantism isn't Christianity and is utterly philosophically irrelevant (like new age or mormonism/scientology).
God has never ordered the death of children through blunt violence, ergo: Christianity is false.

[Anonymous No.16594080]

>>16594012
that shows how the providence of the living god operates within history, a historical biblical fact has both a human and a divine side. what all christian theologians have done was to show the theological side of the scripture.
if you had any genuine interest and truly harmonized soul i'd recommend you to read de lubac's four sense of scripture.

[Anonymous No.16594105]

>>16594012

[Anonymous No.16594133]

>>16594012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eloquent_Peasant

[Anonymous No.16594176]

>>16594012
god has never ordered that people should be segregated into castes and reduced to slave-caste

[Anonymous No.16594200]

>>16594080
The difference is total Origenist allegorization of the bible is heresy in Catholic/Orthodox/Oriental church. You cannot hand wave away these acts as ahistorical and have to believe they all were said and implied and done. That you accept triple meanings in all your text doesn't remove the reality of the first meaning, the second and third builds upon the prior one, they don't refute them.
And as always, Protestantism isn't Christianity and is utterly philosophically irrelevant (like new age or mormonism/scientology).
God has never ordered the death of CHILDREN through blunt violence, ergo: Christianity is false.

>>16594176
some men are natural slaves

[Anonymous No.16594216]

>>16594012

You could just believe in Christ

[Anonymous No.16594224]

>>16594200
>God has never ordered the death of CHILDREN through blunt violence
Agreed. Now show me a single priest, a single theologian, a single saint, a single pope defending that God literally speaks with a mouth, vocal cords, to humans in the OT. God never commanded such thing and that can't be taken as literal because there is no corporeal god in the OT.

[Anonymous No.16594232]

>>16594200
READ GIRARD TOO you brainlet

[Anonymous No.16594248]

>>16590914
based
God isn't Good
HE IS THE GOOD

[Anonymous No.16594299]

Do not be arrogant because of your knowledge;
approach the unlettered as well as the wise.
The summit of artistry cannot be reached,
nor does craftsman ever attain pure mastery.
More hidden than gems is chiseled expression
yet found among slave girls grinding the grain.

>>16594224
>there is no corporeal god in the OT.
Holy shit, the Angel of the Lord is literally the pre-incarnate Logos; manifesting corporeally.
Whenever a prophet speaks god speaks through them, thus just as our soul speaks through our body God speaks through the Prophets and Angels, including the angel of himself.
"The image of the invisible God'.

[Anonymous No.16594354]

>>16594299
>pre-incarnate
>corporeally
what

>image of the invisible God
>the Hypostasis of the Son is corporeal

didn't God speak in Christ? Everything Christ said was taken literally, even the parables?

>approach the unlettered as well as the wise
unless he a fucking slave right?

[Anonymous No.16594367]

>>16594133
>>16594216
ii. The Power of Words
Be skilled in words that you may be strong—
the king’s tongue is his mighty arm;
Words are more powerful than any fighting,
and none encircle the resourceful man.
The ignorant sit on their mats,
but wisdom is the bulwark of a leader;
Those who know his knowledge do not test him,
nor do mishaps happen during his time.
Truth comes to him distilled
like counsels spoken by the sages of old times.
Do better than your fathers and your forefathers;
work for a like success through learning.
See how their words endure in the Writings!
Unroll them, read them, and surpass the wise!
Each sage was once a wide-eyed pupil.

iii. Advice for Governing
Shun evil; benevolence is comely.
Make your works endure by means of your supporters;
prosper the herdsmen connected to the City.
Worship God with offerings and gifts,
which will enhance your name, testifying to your goodness.
And pray that you be healthy in your time.
Value your high officials, protect your people;
strengthen your borders and your border outposts.
Acting for the future—that is good!
Respect the living man who is sharp-sighted;
it is the naive man who shall be miserable;
and let them value you because of your good nature.
Pitiful is he who binds himself to earth while living;
he is a fool, greedy for what belongs to others.
Life passes by on earth—it is not long—
and it is good to think upon the mischance in it.
Not one in a million is true to the Lord God of Egypt
that he might earn the life forever.
Man—made by Him who made Justice—moves on,
even the devoutest is lost, disappears.
Advance your high officials so that they uphold your laws;
no partiality exists in one whose house is wealthy.
The man of substance, he will not be narrow-minded,
but the poor man cannot speak his truth.
Who says, ‘‘If only!’’ cannot be straight-forward,
for he is partial toward the one he loves—
he tilts toward the holder of his compensation.
Great is the great One whose great ones are great!
The king must be an able man, leader of many followers,
and wealthy too, rich in his high officials.
You must speak truth within your household
so that officials all across the realm respect you.
Uprightness is the token of a royal lord—
the foremost house must earn respect from those who serve it.
Be just that you may prosper upon earth:
soothe the weeper, do not oppress the widow;
Do not deprive a man of his father’s goods
nor interfere with high officials in their functions.
Beware of punishing unfairly,
and cause no injury—that will not help you!
Discipline by beating or incarceration;
the land can be secure by this means.
—Except for the traitor whose conspiracy has been laid bare,
and God knows who is disaffected!
God cuts that mischief down in blood!
—Yet it is gentleness which lengthens life.

[Anonymous No.16594401]

>>16591503
can you read? That's not implied at all anon

[Anonymous No.16594410]

>>16593828
you are lmfao holy shit you fucking npc

[Anonymous No.16594411]

>>16594354
>>16594200
>That you accept triple meanings in all your text doesn't remove the reality of the first meaning, the second and third builds upon the prior one, they don't refute them.
The 'first meaning' of Christ parables is that they are parables (that they are is also orthodox/catholic dogma, thus the literal reading is that they shouldn't be read literally).
Nor does Go speak through Christ, God is Christ.
And yes, corporeal, at least going by Orthodox doctrine, where the Energies of God ARE God (like his visible Glory, or light of Tabor than shines through icons or from his transfigured/post-resurrection body) which can be physical, the per-incarnate angel of the lord manifests in his energies that are made "physical" (as in tangible not 'created').

[Anonymous No.16594436]

>>16590914
>There is no YAWEH
>there is only the One
there is no difference.

[Anonymous No.16594441]

>>16594411
yes the Energies of God are God. Do they have a mouth to speak? Is Nous corporeal? What is the Light of the Intellect through which a soul truly sees?

[Anonymous No.16594525]

>>16594441
>Is Nous corporeal?
If he willed that he were to have a tangible body on X occasion, or to be fire, or clouds, or as bread and wine, then he did and is.
God (the logos) literally walked with Adam, as in: side by side in a tangible and visible form, AND he walked with him spiritually.
Also Nous in Christianity is the means of perceiving the incorporeal, not the incorporeal itself.

[Anonymous No.16594532]

>>16590914
Already been debunked.

[Anonymous No.16594590]

>>16594525
yes that is why i said nous instead of logos, you are not a christian.
you will find no source vouching for god literally being corporeal as adam, literally walking with legs and tendons moved by physical connections. christianity speaks of spiritual body, does it mean this body has the same composition? all this discussion is worthless and tiring. if it is to be taken literally that passage in samuel as commanded by god, it should be understood that the amalekites were all evil and irredeemably corrupt. you either accept this or go to a theological explanation (which I prefer and personally think was intended as almost everything in the old testament).

[Anonymous No.16594801]

>>16590914
>she doesn't know that Allah literally means God
thats what all religions are trying to do retard, they all claim that theirs are "The One"

[Anonymous No.16594832]

>>16594801
I love when some midwit always goes
>Hahaha your God isn't the PURE God they have NAMES
because they're too assed to look up what those names actually mean.

[Anonymous No.16594848]

>>16594590
>amalekites were all evil and irredeemably corrupt
which contradicts doctrine that children are blameless, of all the things God could have done with them, what he chose to do is beyond petty; same with sending two bears to murder 42 children/teens for making innocent fun, could literally have done a million different things instead of that.

[Anonymous No.16594904]

>>16593034
It's a based quote though. I'm curious to read the book.

[Anonymous No.16594929]

>>16594848
children are blameless and not fallen by original sin? they can't be as evil as adults? they just have less understanding about what they are doing but that does not mean all of them are easily redeemable.
but first of all the sense of the hebrew word is not children and the same word was also used to refer to servants and young adults.
elisha's job was to draw people back to god, and those young boys were mocking god's comandment.

also that story is to be taken morally and again you need to show me any clergyman, anyone in the church taking that passage as literal.

do you want me to explain every passage in the bible to you? you could just try to understand and read about the things you have no idea, but you also could just remain the way you are.

[Anonymous No.16594971]

>>16594848
just to finish this worthless talk, why do you think the same book that contains such difficult, moral, symbolical passages you have no care to understand but only the de-contextualized particular passage with a senseless literal reading of it also contains passages as Exodus 34:6-7? are you even religious or not a materialist? you sound exactly like the most ignorant atheist about sacred texts

[Anonymous No.16596717]

>>16590914
k

[Anonymous No.16596737]

>>16593828
>you condone modernity and its attack on what is left of genuine spirituality in the world
Opposing Christianity is the same as opposing modernity. You can't defend Christianity and at the same time seethe about modernity.

Christianity destroyed the indigenous beliefs of an entire continent, proceeded to turn that very same continent into a desert of atheism and nihilism. Any well-reasoned man would oppose the attempts at rehabilitating Christianity as some sort of cure.

Christianity is not genuine spirituality. It is as the Romans accurately described it, atheism in disguise.

[Anonymous No.16596749]

>>16590914
so tired of this shit

[Anonymous No.16596880]

>>16590934
sources: my ass

[Anonymous No.16596925]

>>16590914
>>16590934
Also the One is not participated by anything.

[Anonymous No.16596981]

>>16596925
Yet it participates in everything.
It seems to me that Christians cannot accept that evil is in God as well as good.